=== doko_ is now known as doko === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:03] Okay, who's with me today for the Ubuntu Studio meeting? [17:10] me [17:11] sorry for the lag [17:11] No worries. Scott said he'd be here as well, but a bit late. Let's wait for him to arrive before we begin. [17:14] astraljava, here [17:14] #startmeeting Ubuntu Studio contributors [17:14] Meeting started Sun Dec 11 17:14:47 2011 UTC. The chair is astraljava. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:14] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting | Current topic: [17:14] Hi all. [17:15] Agenda for today can be found @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011December11 [17:15] Let's get right down to it. [17:15] #topic Old Business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting | Current topic: Old Business [17:16] I'm going through the subtopics, being the previous action items. [17:16] Oh, and please when you give your status, add #info in front of it. [17:16] #subtopic Scott email list regarding work flows: INPROCESS [17:16] this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in [17:17] i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters [17:17] so leaving as 'inprocess' is good [17:17] .. [17:17] dman, forgot the #info [17:17] Just hit up arrow and home, then #info. [17:18] #INFO this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in [17:18] #INFO i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters [17:18] #INFO so leaving as 'inprocess' is good [17:18] .. [17:18] hmm, never got that message I think... or missed it :( [17:18] #subtopic Jon email list for separate meeting for work flows discussion: INPROCESS [17:18] Jon isn't here, is he? [17:19] Anyone know of the status of this? [17:19] jon emailed me direfctly to say he is busy with final in school [17:19] argh [17:19] Ok, that's good enough. [17:19] #info jon is busy with schoolwork [17:19] #info but there will be some further cleanup required in the wiki once more information has come in [17:19] .. [17:19] #subtopic stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website: TODO [17:20] #info this should be marked as 'DONE' as he did email the list [17:20] #info his final direction is to suggest that we include closed source/proprietary social media to reach a broader audience [17:20] #info i second his suggestion [17:20] #action astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. [17:20] .. [17:20] ACTION: astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE. [17:20] Thanks, Scott. [17:20] aye ;) [17:21] #subtopic Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later: TODO [17:21] This should be marked as done, right? [17:21] i think so, but we haven't really lived up to it, have we? [17:21] #action astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE [17:21] ACTION: astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE [17:21] No, we missed a few here in between. [17:21] * scott-upstairs purposefully didn't put #.info in there [17:22] But we did have that one informal there. [17:22] Let's try to get back on track, though I acknowledge the holidays are looming. [17:22] astraljava, is this one 'formal' or 'informal', i don't remember the order at the moment? [17:22] This one is formal, as we're on this channel. [17:22] We're having the informals on our own. [17:22] oh, yeah :P [17:22] Okay, any other Old Business? [17:23] "holidays are looming", yes, even the -release team has canceled the two upcoming meetings as well [17:23] astraljava, just a minute, let me think [17:23] no, not that i can think of that isn't going to be in the blueprint discussion [17:23] .. [17:23] #topic Blueprints situation === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting | Current topic: Blueprints situation [17:24] As in agenda, the master blueprint can be found @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio [17:24] scott-upstairs: You wanna lead this one? [17:24] absolutely [17:24] #topic new doc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-doc-improvements [17:25] we have completed this one as it stands [17:25] there will be further documentation done this cycle and certainly more later (especially the help.ubuntu.com pages) [17:25] #topic lowlatency blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency [17:25] this one is a little more interesting [17:26] we have been working with steve (from the kernel team) on some preliminary testing for the lowlatency kernel vs generic [17:26] objectively the results seem to support that the lowlatency kernel should perform perhaps an order of magnitude better than generic [17:26] but this hasn't been quantified at this point [17:26] i contacted steve about progressing getting the lowlatency kernel into the repos [17:27] he responded that we didn't need to wait on him, he will continue to test however, but we can package and push to REVU [17:27] after i get through the latest seeds updateing for theming i will work on this [17:27] .. [17:28] scott-upstairs: btw were my seed docs of any use? [17:28] any help on seeds needed? [17:28] oh, sorry to interrupt... [17:28] shnatsel, i need to reread your doc again and i might need some help later [17:28] and no problem :) [17:28] #topic misc updates : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-misc-improvements [17:29] we will be completing the multi-head testing and documentation (really it is basically done, just need some review in the wiki) [17:29] we will be completing the xfce applications review as well when the seeds are updated [17:29] but this will leave the default jack settings todo [17:30] unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory [17:30] o/ [17:30] but i will have time to work through this after some other things are completed [17:30] astraljava, ? [17:30] Maybe some postinst rules would help in that? [17:31] In any way, people over at -motu should be able to guide as there. [17:31] .. [17:31] astraljava, i thought i have been told that it was bad form to touch the user's directory [17:31] i agree some help from -motu might be helpful [17:31] #topic update website: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-website [17:31] this is ongoing [17:32] i've spent a fair amount of time getting content in there and trying to adjust the formatting to look nice [17:32] although i haven't done anything this week, but plan to get back on it tonight [17:32] i really hope that within one to two weeks i can put this behind me and we can make adjustments later [17:33] one last outstanding issue is the social media inclusion, which i noted that stochastic made suggestions to include facebook, twitter, etc type social media [17:33] i will confer with knome to see what is available [17:34] we are still waiting for the RT ticket to pick up the website and put it into a staging site [17:34] "unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory" [17:34] I know [17:34] I know the way [17:34] oh yes? [17:34] isn't it /etc/skel ? [17:34] Yes, but for existing users? [17:34] I did that too [17:34] if you need that [17:34] and even debugged that [17:35] and tested in a huge number of cases [17:35] including no users (cd remaster), etc [17:35] we can follow up with you, shnatsel, then for some advice later on [17:35] #action scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home [17:35] ACTION: scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home [17:35] although we will need to figure out which package this will need to go into at some point [17:36] can i move on to the next topic? [17:36] You can, or I can. Either way. [17:36] #topic new theme/ui/etc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-theme-ui [17:36] Are you done with the blueprints? [17:36] Ahh... sorry. [17:36] this is what i'm currently working on today [17:37] basically i will be moving to xubuntu's structure for -default-settings and -artwork [17:37] this means we will remove some packages from the seeds (e.g. ubuntustudio-icon-theme and ubuntustudio-look) as these will be rolled into the -default-settings package [17:37] i had considered parsing the xubuntu settings out into our current packages but decided against it [17:38] aligning wiht the xubuntu structure will allow a smaller delta and hopefully keep maintenance and updating easier [17:38] i've also email a few lists and individuals about new artwork per shnatsel's suggestion [17:38] this would include new images for plymouth, lightdm, and wallpaper [17:39] hopefully with a more unified and consistent "theme" [17:39] i intend to push changes tonight and then ask for support to push to the repos [17:39] but i do fully expect numerous updates to tweak things during the next weeks or months [17:40] my goal is to have this done and resolved before alpha2 [17:40] #topic live dvd blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd [17:40] no movement really on this at this point [17:40] part of this is really waiting for input from others on work flows [17:41] although we may make some decision about general blocking of work flows [17:41] for example, a video-home and video-pro work flow [17:41] this would allow us to complete the metas for testing but not have the final packages in the meta [17:42] i would like to target this after the theme/ui and website stuff is done and in time for alpha3 [17:42] .. [17:42] astraljava, i'm done [17:42] Okay, thanks. [17:42] #topic Bugs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting | Current topic: Bugs [17:42] i should point out something [17:42] sorry to interrupt after i said i was done [17:42] No worries. [17:43] i'm carrying a lot of stuff right now and i worry that if i get busy with work again or family that this will greatly retard my schedule [17:43] if anyone wants to pick up a specific topic and help that would awesomely and other superlatives great [17:43] .. [17:44] I am willing to work on the docs, but have a little bit of trouble committing to any particular task at the moment due to personal issues. [17:44] But, such is life. [17:44] I might take up something, but I'll be busy during the coming month for sure [17:44] .. [17:44] university exams [17:44] I just can't fail them [17:44] Okay, bugs. I went through an awful lot of them. There's a list of them on the agenda. [17:44] I'm not going to list them here. [17:44] Maybe only the ones regarding Precise? [17:45] Otherwise, I'd suggest everyone to go through them periodically, to shorten the list, and to gain some new respect for the project. [17:45] astraljava, great job on cleaning up the bugs btw [17:45] We've not been doing so great on them lately. [17:46] scott-upstairs: What do you say, Precise bugs? Should we go through them now? [17:46] some i think will be "fixed" by some updates in the menu that have already happened and by some things that will still happen after the theme/ui update [17:46] astraljava, sure, there isn't many are there? [17:46] No, there are not many. [17:46] let's do it just to keep it in peoples minds [17:46] #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/840144 [17:46] Ubuntu bug 840144 in Ubuntu Studio "Use recommends instead of depends in seeds" [Medium,Confirmed] [17:46] that will be fixed during the livedvd blueprint [17:47] we will need to do this for the live dvd and was added by shnatsel just for this [17:47] .. [17:47] Good. Is it linked in the blueprint? Blueprint seems to be in the bug. [17:47] .. [17:47] how do you do the task? [17:47] I dunno. Want me to look into it? [17:48] #task scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint [17:48] I think you need #action for that. [17:48] #action scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint [17:48] ACTION: scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint [17:48] There you go. [17:48] hehe [17:48] #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/815101 [17:48] Ubuntu bug 815101 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] slowmovideo" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [17:48] they're linked [17:49] i think this may be on a list that i speak with quadrispro and the debian multimedia team about packaging to get into ubuntu [17:49] oh yeah, slowmovideo is great [17:49] Ok, so in progress then. [17:49] #action astraljava to update bug #815101 status [17:49] ACTION: astraljava to update bug #815101 status [17:49] if it wasn't in shnatel's list, it is now (as i've written it down on my pad of paper) [17:49] #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892 [17:49] Ubuntu bug 695892 in Ubuntu Studio "no live CD for ubuntustudio" [Wishlist,New] [17:50] Well, this one is a no-brainer. [17:50] hehe, i should add that one as well to the live dvd blueprint [17:50] * scott-upstairs is doing it now and notes that bug #840144 is now attached as well [17:50] Launchpad bug 840144 in Ubuntu Studio "Use recommends instead of depends in seeds" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840144 [17:50] Need an action for that? [17:51] astraljava, it's done now [17:51] No need, then. [17:51] Any other discussion relating bugs? [17:51] :) [17:51] none from me [17:51] .. [17:51] .. [17:51] #topic Any Other Business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting | Current topic: Any Other Business [17:52] None from me. [17:52] i have something i'll mention [17:52] i'm working on a long term plan for ubuntu studio [17:52] i should be publishing something to the -devel mailing list within a month for review and comments [17:52] i would GREATLY appreciate comments, even detractions and criticisms as well [17:53] Anything worth #info-ing now? [17:53] not yet [17:53] .. [17:53] but the main thrust is that the long plan is to make ubuntu studio really prevalent and not just with linux audio geeks ;) [17:53] .. [17:53] oh [17:53] ah, nevermind [17:54] #topic Next Meeting Time/Location === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting | Current topic: Next Meeting Time/Location [17:54] Next formal meeting, I doubt it. [17:54] That's Xmas Day. :) [17:54] yeah, that's bad [17:54] #action Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. [17:54] ACTION: Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays. [17:54] What about informal? [17:55] i'll probably be around for a limited time for the informal one [17:55] "probably" [17:55] Okay. We'll see how it goes. [17:55] what about alternating times? [17:55] did we every clear that up [17:55] #info Next informal meeting on #ubuntustudio-devel on 18th of Dec. at 1700 UTC. [17:55] i'm not euro time zone so i don't know what other's needs are [17:56] Oh, I never got any feedback to my email on that. [17:56] my feeling is that unless anyone suggests something then we keep proceeding as we have been [17:56] So we're sticking to what we have now, or decide later if need be. [17:56] I'm fine with 17:00 UTC in my UTC+4, but who cares? [17:56] but we can keep asking people about it though [17:56] Absolutely. [17:57] #topic Next Meeting Chair === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Ubuntu Studio contributors Meeting | Current topic: Next Meeting Chair [17:57] Volunteers? [17:57] we hold the meetings in elementary on saturdays 18:00 UTC ,seems to be fine [17:57] astraljava, i'd be happy to chair next meeting [17:57] #action scott-upstairs to chair next meeting [17:57] ACTION: scott-upstairs to chair next meeting [17:57] #endmeeting [17:57] meeting is done? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:57] Meeting ended Sun Dec 11 17:57:59 2011 UTC. [17:57] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-11-17.14.moin.txt [17:58] Thanks all! [17:58] haha, thanks astraljava and shnatsel! === Guest1218 is now known as Myrtti === Guest31322 is now known as AndrewMC