[17:03] <astraljava> Okay, who's with me today for the Ubuntu Studio meeting?
[17:10] <shnatsel> me
[17:11] <shnatsel> sorry for the lag
[17:11] <astraljava> No worries. Scott said he'd be here as well, but a bit late. Let's wait for him to arrive before we begin.
[17:14] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, here
[17:14] <astraljava> #startmeeting Ubuntu Studio contributors
[17:14] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Dec 11 17:14:47 2011 UTC.  The chair is astraljava. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:14] <astraljava> Hi all.
[17:15] <astraljava> Agenda for today can be found @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011December11
[17:15] <astraljava> Let's get right down to it.
[17:15] <astraljava> #topic Old Business
[17:16] <astraljava> I'm going through the subtopics, being the previous action items.
[17:16] <astraljava> Oh, and please when you give your status, add #info in front of it.
[17:16] <astraljava> #subtopic Scott email list regarding work flows: INPROCESS
[17:16] <scott-upstairs> this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in
[17:17] <scott-upstairs> i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters
[17:17] <scott-upstairs> so leaving as 'inprocess' is good
[17:17] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:17] <scott-upstairs> dman, forgot the #info
[17:17] <astraljava> Just hit up arrow and home, then #info.
[17:18] <scott-upstairs> #INFO this is a funny one, i've emailed but not all responses are in
[17:18] <scott-upstairs> #INFO i'm going to have to develop new areas to research for advice unfortunately as i don't expect answers from some quarters
[17:18] <scott-upstairs> #INFO so leaving as 'inprocess' is good
[17:18] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:18] <shnatsel> hmm, never got that message I think... or missed it :(
[17:18] <astraljava> #subtopic Jon email list for separate meeting for work flows discussion: INPROCESS
[17:18] <astraljava> Jon isn't here, is he?
[17:19] <astraljava> Anyone know of the status of this?
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> jon emailed me direfctly to say he is busy with final in school
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> argh
[17:19] <astraljava> Ok, that's good enough.
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> #info jon is busy with schoolwork
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> #info but there will be some further cleanup required in the wiki once more information has come in
[17:19] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:19] <astraljava> #subtopic stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website: TODO
[17:20] <scott-upstairs> #info this should be marked as 'DONE' as he did email the list
[17:20] <scott-upstairs> #info his final direction is to suggest that we include closed source/proprietary social media to reach a broader audience
[17:20] <scott-upstairs> #info i second his suggestion
[17:20] <astraljava> #action astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE.
[17:20] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:20] <meetingology> ACTION: astraljava to mark 'stochastic to email list about how much social interaction on new website' as DONE.
[17:20] <astraljava> Thanks, Scott.
[17:20] <scott-upstairs> aye ;)
[17:21] <astraljava> #subtopic Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later: TODO
[17:21] <astraljava> This should be marked as done, right?
[17:21] <scott-upstairs> i think so, but we haven't really lived up to it, have we?
[17:21] <astraljava> #action astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE
[17:21] <meetingology> ACTION: astraljava to mark 'Decide alternating meeting times on channel/mailing list later' as DONE
[17:21] <astraljava> No, we missed a few here in between.
[17:21]  * scott-upstairs purposefully didn't put #.info in there
[17:22] <astraljava> But we did have that one informal there.
[17:22] <astraljava> Let's try to get back on track, though I acknowledge the holidays are looming.
[17:22] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, is this one 'formal' or 'informal', i don't remember the order at the moment?
[17:22] <astraljava> This one is formal, as we're on this channel.
[17:22] <astraljava> We're having the informals on our own.
[17:22] <scott-upstairs> oh, yeah :P
[17:22] <astraljava> Okay, any other Old Business?
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> "holidays are looming", yes, even the -release team has canceled the two upcoming meetings as well
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, just a minute, let me think
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> no, not that i can think of that isn't going to be in the blueprint discussion
[17:23] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:23] <astraljava> #topic Blueprints situation
[17:24] <astraljava> As in agenda, the master blueprint can be found @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio
[17:24] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: You wanna lead this one?
[17:24] <scott-upstairs> absolutely
[17:24] <scott-upstairs> #topic new doc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-doc-improvements
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> we have completed this one as it stands
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> there will be further documentation done this cycle and certainly more later (especially the help.ubuntu.com pages)
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> #topic lowlatency blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency
[17:25] <scott-upstairs> this one is a little more interesting
[17:26] <scott-upstairs> we have been working with steve (from the kernel team) on some preliminary testing for the lowlatency kernel vs generic
[17:26] <scott-upstairs> objectively the results seem to support that the lowlatency kernel should perform perhaps an order of magnitude better than generic
[17:26] <scott-upstairs> but this hasn't been quantified at this point
[17:26] <scott-upstairs> i contacted steve about progressing getting the lowlatency kernel into the repos
[17:27] <scott-upstairs> he responded that we didn't need to wait on him, he will continue to test however, but we can package and push to REVU
[17:27] <scott-upstairs> after i get through the latest seeds updateing for theming i will work on this
[17:27] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:28] <shnatsel> scott-upstairs: btw were my seed docs of any use?
[17:28] <shnatsel> any help on seeds needed?
[17:28] <shnatsel> oh, sorry to interrupt...
[17:28] <scott-upstairs> shnatsel, i need to reread your doc again and i might need some help later
[17:28] <scott-upstairs> and no problem :)
[17:28] <scott-upstairs> #topic misc updates : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-misc-improvements
[17:29] <scott-upstairs> we will be completing the multi-head testing and documentation (really it is basically done, just need some review in the wiki)
[17:29] <scott-upstairs> we will be completing the xfce applications review as well when the seeds are updated
[17:29] <scott-upstairs> but this will leave the default jack settings todo
[17:30] <scott-upstairs> unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory
[17:30] <astraljava> o/
[17:30] <scott-upstairs> but i will have time to work through this after some other things are completed
[17:30] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, ?
[17:30] <astraljava> Maybe some postinst rules would help in that?
[17:31] <astraljava> In any way, people over at -motu should be able to guide as there.
[17:31] <astraljava> ..
[17:31] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, i thought i have been told that it was bad form to touch the user's directory
[17:31] <scott-upstairs> i agree some help from -motu might be helpful
[17:31] <scott-upstairs> #topic update website:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-website
[17:31] <scott-upstairs> this is ongoing
[17:32] <scott-upstairs> i've spent a fair amount of time getting content in there and trying to adjust the formatting to look nice
[17:32] <scott-upstairs> although i haven't done anything this week, but plan to get back on it tonight
[17:32] <scott-upstairs> i really hope that within one to two weeks i can put this behind me and we can make adjustments later
[17:33] <scott-upstairs> one last outstanding issue is the social media inclusion, which i noted that stochastic made suggestions to include facebook, twitter, etc type social media
[17:33] <scott-upstairs> i will confer with knome to see what is available
[17:34] <scott-upstairs> we are still waiting for the RT ticket to pick up the website and put it into a staging site
[17:34] <shnatsel> "unfortunately i don't know the "proper" way to handle this since this will be putting things into the users /home directory"
[17:34] <shnatsel> I know
[17:34] <shnatsel> I know the way
[17:34] <scott-upstairs> oh yes?
[17:34] <shnatsel> isn't it /etc/skel ?
[17:34] <astraljava> Yes, but for existing users?
[17:34] <shnatsel> I did that too
[17:34] <shnatsel> if you need that
[17:34] <shnatsel> and even debugged that
[17:35] <shnatsel> and tested in a huge number of cases
[17:35] <shnatsel> including no users (cd remaster), etc
[17:35] <scott-upstairs> we can follow up with you, shnatsel, then for some advice later on
[17:35] <astraljava> #action scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home
[17:35] <meetingology> ACTION: scott-upstairs to talk with shnatsel about config files in /home
[17:35] <scott-upstairs> although we will need to figure out which package this will need to go into at some point
[17:36] <scott-upstairs> can i move on to the next topic?
[17:36] <astraljava> You can, or I can. Either way.
[17:36] <scott-upstairs> #topic new theme/ui/etc blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-update-theme-ui
[17:36] <astraljava> Are you done with the blueprints?
[17:36] <astraljava> Ahh... sorry.
[17:36] <scott-upstairs> this is what i'm currently working on today
[17:37] <scott-upstairs> basically i will be moving to xubuntu's structure for -default-settings and -artwork
[17:37] <scott-upstairs> this means we will remove some packages from the seeds (e.g. ubuntustudio-icon-theme and ubuntustudio-look) as these will be rolled into the -default-settings package
[17:37] <scott-upstairs> i had considered parsing the xubuntu settings out into our current packages but decided against it
[17:38] <scott-upstairs> aligning wiht the xubuntu structure will allow a smaller delta and hopefully keep maintenance and updating easier
[17:38] <scott-upstairs> i've also email a few lists and individuals about new artwork per shnatsel's suggestion
[17:38] <scott-upstairs> this would include new images for plymouth, lightdm, and wallpaper
[17:39] <scott-upstairs> hopefully with a more unified and consistent "theme"
[17:39] <scott-upstairs> i intend to push changes tonight and then ask for support to push to the repos
[17:39] <scott-upstairs> but i do fully expect numerous updates to tweak things during the next weeks or months
[17:40] <scott-upstairs> my goal is to have this done and resolved before alpha2
[17:40] <scott-upstairs> #topic  live dvd blueprint:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd
[17:40] <scott-upstairs> no movement really on this at this point
[17:40] <scott-upstairs> part of this is really waiting for input from others on work flows
[17:41] <scott-upstairs> although we may make some decision about general blocking of work flows
[17:41] <scott-upstairs> for example, a video-home and video-pro work flow
[17:41] <scott-upstairs> this would allow us to complete the metas for testing but not have the final packages in the meta
[17:42] <scott-upstairs> i would like to target this after the theme/ui and website stuff is done and in time for alpha3
[17:42] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:42] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, i'm done
[17:42] <astraljava> Okay, thanks.
[17:42] <astraljava> #topic Bugs
[17:42] <scott-upstairs> i should point out something
[17:42] <scott-upstairs> sorry to interrupt after i said i was done
[17:42] <astraljava> No worries.
[17:43] <scott-upstairs> i'm carrying a lot of stuff right now and i worry that if i get busy with work again or family that this will greatly retard my schedule
[17:43] <scott-upstairs> if anyone wants to pick up a specific topic and help that would awesomely and other superlatives great
[17:43] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:44] <astraljava> I am willing to work on the docs, but have a little bit of trouble committing to any particular task at the moment due to personal issues.
[17:44] <astraljava> But, such is life.
[17:44] <shnatsel> I might take up something, but I'll be busy during the coming month for sure
[17:44] <astraljava> ..
[17:44] <shnatsel> university exams
[17:44] <shnatsel> I just can't fail them
[17:44] <astraljava> Okay, bugs. I went through an awful lot of them. There's a list of them on the agenda.
[17:44] <astraljava> I'm not going to list them here.
[17:44] <astraljava> Maybe only the ones regarding Precise?
[17:45] <astraljava> Otherwise, I'd suggest everyone to go through them periodically, to shorten the list, and to gain some new respect for the project.
[17:45] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, great job on cleaning up the bugs btw
[17:45] <astraljava> We've not been doing so great on them lately.
[17:46] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: What do you say, Precise bugs? Should we go through them now?
[17:46] <scott-upstairs> some i think will be "fixed" by some updates in the menu that have already happened and by some things that will still happen after the theme/ui update
[17:46] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, sure, there isn't many are there?
[17:46] <astraljava> No, there are not many.
[17:46] <scott-upstairs> let's do it just to keep it in peoples minds
[17:46] <astraljava> #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/840144
[17:46] <scott-upstairs> that will be fixed during the livedvd blueprint
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> we will need to do this for the live dvd and was added by shnatsel just for this
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:47] <astraljava> Good. Is it linked in the blueprint? Blueprint seems to be in the bug.
[17:47] <astraljava> ..
[17:47] <scott-upstairs> how do you do the task?
[17:47] <astraljava> I dunno. Want me to look into it?
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> #task scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint
[17:48] <astraljava> I think you need #action for that.
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> #action scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint
[17:48] <meetingology> ACTION: scottl to link bug#840144 to livedvd blueprint
[17:48] <astraljava> There you go.
[17:48] <scott-upstairs> hehe
[17:48] <astraljava> #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/815101
[17:48] <shnatsel> they're linked
[17:49] <scott-upstairs> i think this may be on a list that i speak with quadrispro and the debian multimedia team about packaging to get into ubuntu
[17:49] <shnatsel> oh yeah, slowmovideo is great
[17:49] <astraljava> Ok, so in progress then.
[17:49] <astraljava> #action astraljava to update bug #815101 status
[17:49] <meetingology> ACTION: astraljava to update bug #815101 status
[17:49] <scott-upstairs> if it wasn't in shnatel's list, it is now (as i've written it down on my pad of paper)
[17:49] <astraljava> #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892
[17:50] <astraljava> Well, this one is a no-brainer.
[17:50] <scott-upstairs> hehe, i should add that one as well to the live dvd blueprint
[17:50]  * scott-upstairs is doing it now and notes that bug #840144 is now attached as well
[17:50] <astraljava> Need an action for that?
[17:51] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, it's done now
[17:51] <astraljava> No need, then.
[17:51] <astraljava> Any other discussion relating bugs?
[17:51] <scott-upstairs> :)
[17:51] <scott-upstairs> none from me
[17:51] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:51] <astraljava> ..
[17:51] <astraljava> #topic Any Other Business
[17:52] <astraljava> None from me.
[17:52] <scott-upstairs> i have something i'll mention
[17:52] <scott-upstairs> i'm working on a long term plan for ubuntu studio
[17:52] <scott-upstairs> i should be publishing something to the -devel mailing list within a month for review and comments
[17:52] <scott-upstairs> i would GREATLY appreciate comments, even detractions and criticisms as well
[17:53] <astraljava> Anything worth #info-ing now?
[17:53] <scott-upstairs> not yet
[17:53] <astraljava> ..
[17:53] <scott-upstairs> but the main thrust is that the long plan is to make ubuntu studio really prevalent and not just with linux audio geeks ;)
[17:53] <scott-upstairs> ..
[17:53] <scott-upstairs> oh
[17:53] <scott-upstairs> ah, nevermind
[17:54] <astraljava> #topic Next Meeting Time/Location
[17:54] <astraljava> Next formal meeting, I doubt it.
[17:54] <astraljava> That's Xmas Day. :)
[17:54] <scott-upstairs> yeah, that's bad
[17:54] <astraljava> #action Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays.
[17:54] <meetingology> ACTION: Move next formal meeting up two weeks due to Holidays.
[17:54] <astraljava> What about informal?
[17:55] <scott-upstairs> i'll probably be around for a limited time for the informal one
[17:55] <scott-upstairs> "probably"
[17:55] <astraljava> Okay. We'll see how it goes.
[17:55] <scott-upstairs> what about alternating times?
[17:55] <scott-upstairs> did we every clear that up
[17:55] <astraljava> #info Next informal meeting on #ubuntustudio-devel on 18th of Dec. at 1700 UTC.
[17:55] <scott-upstairs> i'm not euro time zone so i don't know what other's needs are
[17:56] <astraljava> Oh, I never got any feedback to my email on that.
[17:56] <scott-upstairs> my feeling is that unless anyone suggests something then we keep proceeding as we have been
[17:56] <astraljava> So we're sticking to what we have now, or decide later if need be.
[17:56] <shnatsel> I'm fine with 17:00 UTC in my UTC+4, but who cares?
[17:56] <scott-upstairs> but we can keep asking people about it though
[17:56] <astraljava> Absolutely.
[17:57] <astraljava> #topic Next Meeting Chair
[17:57] <astraljava> Volunteers?
[17:57] <shnatsel> we hold the meetings in elementary on saturdays 18:00 UTC ,seems to be fine
[17:57] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, i'd be happy to chair next meeting
[17:57] <astraljava> #action scott-upstairs to chair next meeting
[17:57] <meetingology> ACTION: scott-upstairs to chair next meeting
[17:57] <astraljava> #endmeeting
[17:57] <scott-upstairs> meeting is done?
[17:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Dec 11 17:57:59 2011 UTC.
[17:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-11-17.14.moin.txt
[17:58] <astraljava> Thanks all!
[17:58] <scott-upstairs> haha, thanks astraljava and shnatsel!