[01:07] <awilkins> Darn, I thought the time being 0107 was just my BIOS clock being unset.
[01:09] <penguin42> nope, it's your body
[01:11] <BigRedS> haha, I've just realised I spent a good deal longer waiting for stuff to happen than I thought I did
[01:11] <BigRedS> I set out to reboot four machines three hours ago :/
[01:11] <BigRedS> and they're only just all back up again
[01:22] <awilkins> Just rebuilt my system. Apparently my troubles were down to my old gear having an intermittent / progressive fault. Annoying.
[01:23] <awilkins> Looked like something in the memory controller was failing, address lines inverted (weird)
[01:23] <penguin42> inverted? Oh that's an odd one
[01:24] <awilkins> The zeros test in Memtest was giving 000000ff
[01:24] <awilkins> And the ones was giving ffffff00
[01:24] <penguin42> ouch
[01:26] <awilkins> So... openjdk 6 or 7
[01:26] <awilkins> Bah, probably 6
[01:26] <penguin42> awilkins: I couldn't get eclipse to work at 7 for android fiddling
[01:26] <awilkins> That decides it then, my work is all on 6 anyway currently
[01:34] <awilkins> BigRedS, We had a Windows NT server that took about 3 hours to reboot at one place I worked
[01:35] <Barbariandude> awilkins, the windows desktops for embedded systems programming at my uni take about 10 minutes to boot
[01:37] <awilkins> Barbariandude, Doesn't surprise me, our work images are slow as treacle ; full disk encryption, terrible antivirus, snoopware
[01:38] <awilkins> Where does NetworkManager keep it's settings?
[01:46] <awilkins> Never mind, it's in /etc
[01:49] <awilkins> Tell you what though, Windows needed about 10 reboots as usual
[01:50] <awilkins> And I had to copy the disk controller drivers onto the install media
[01:50] <awilkins> Ubuntu, of course, just installed. And works.
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> with full-disk crypto even
[09:47]  * AlanBell wonders about the next happy hour
[09:47] <AlanBell> anyone going to suggest a venue?
[09:49] <gordonjcp> or a date, for that matter
[09:51] <gordonjcp> hm
[09:51] <gordonjcp> looks like I might be going down to London to pick up a vanload of test equipment this week
[09:52] <gordonjcp> I wonder if I can extract even more overtime from them because I'm supposed to be on holiday
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> white van gordonjcp? :)
[09:52] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/van.jpg
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> off-white then
[09:53] <gordonjcp> silver, with signage that looks like it's been crashed into a letraset factory
[09:54]  * MartijnVdS wonders how to create that extra network outlet
[09:54] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: y'know, I'm going to need to do this over two days
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> Most things I can buy have 2 outlets in one.. but I just want the one
[09:55] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: I suspect a B&B is going to be a lot cheaper in Farnham than in London itself, certainly enough to offset the extra 100 miles or so
[09:55] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: pint?
[09:55] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: that sounds like a plan :)
[09:58] <czajkowski> morning all
[09:58] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: what day are you coming down?
[10:00] <popey> morning all
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> hi popey
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> having a nice morning with the ssd ;)
[10:01] <popey> yup!
[10:01] <popey> rsync'ed 90GB off it, switched the SSD for 1TB of rust and rsyncing back ☺
[10:01]  * popey hugs rsync
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you ever try fstrim?
[10:01]  * AlanBell hugs rust
[10:02] <AlanBell> actually would like an ssd in my laptop, but then I would have to be more organised about space
[10:03] <popey> no MartijnVdS
[10:03] <popey> yeah, thats the other issue
[10:03] <popey> my ssd is almost always 99% full
[10:03] <popey> and when I'm building ISOs it's a bit painful
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> mine's 8% full
[10:03] <czajkowski> popey: what size ssd do you have ?
[10:04] <AlanBell> size does matter (when it comes to SSD)
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: fstrim -v will send a TRIM command to tell the wear-leveling firmware that space is now "unused"
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: which might increase the life of the ssd
[10:05] <AlanBell> I have 121GB of virtual machines
[10:05] <popey> MartijnVdS: i thought thats what 'discard' was for in fstab
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: it is
[10:05] <popey> i use that
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: but that makes my SSD slow when I delete things
[10:05] <popey> oh
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> So I put fstrim in cron
[10:06] <popey> anyway, back to 1TB disk on that laptop, and installed in BIOS mode so I get 3d goodness and dual screen
[10:07] <popey> rsync in byobu reporting 40Mb/s
[10:08] <popey> wonder if that's going over wifi
[10:08]  * MartijnVdS hates popey's wifi devices/RF environment if that's true
[10:10] <popey> why does iwconfig not have an option to down an interface
[10:11] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: don't know yet
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: because ifconfig (and "ip") do
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: ip link set down dev devicename_here
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: also, iw wlan0 link
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> iw + ip > iwconfig + ipconfig
[10:12]  * popey spies a giant thunderbird sqlite db coming over the wire
[10:13] <czajkowski> popey: you should offer a service where folks who buy new machines can send old and new to you so you can set them up exactly the same as their old ones with content on them
[10:13] <popey> hah
[10:13] <popey> or a software product that does it
[10:14] <popey> (note: we have such a product in the default install now) :D
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> we do?
[10:14] <popey> deja-dup
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: yeah I set that up.. it created the target directory
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: and then did nothing
[10:14] <popey> hah
[10:14] <popey> nice
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> oh it shows its icon every time I log in
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> and it disappears when I click it
[10:15] <czajkowski> helpful
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: yeah great reliable backup tool
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[10:15] <czajkowski> see already popey is better than the tool
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> so you're saying popey is not a tool? ;)
[10:16] <nigelb> Trick question!
[10:17] <czajkowski> I'm saying popey clearly has a better proven record than the default instalation
[10:17] <czajkowski> ;)
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install popey
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> E: Unable to locate package popey
[10:18] <nigelb> Try pip :P
[10:18] <shauno> I was about to say, seems obvious enough; just include popey in the default install
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> nigelb: It's Linux, not CP/M
[10:18] <nigelb> haha
[10:19] <shauno> should be easy enough to package.  just stalk out the local curry house after dark (and bring a thick sack)
[10:19] <nigelb> Distribution might be illegal though
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> oh great, no explicit license in the source?
[10:20] <czajkowski> lol
[10:25] <Laney> clearly public domain
[10:26] <AlanBell> not chicken dance license?
[10:26] <AlanBell> http://supertunaman.com/cdl/cdl_v0-1.txt
[10:27] <nigelb> haha
[10:27] <nigelb> That's the perfect license.
[10:36] <shauno> I'd be curious what happens if you manage to push 20,000 as a sole trader.  You break the license unless you aqcuire staff just for the dance?
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> shauno: get a family member to join in
[10:49] <AlanBell> or distribute the source
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> Also, don't say "plinth"
[10:50] <AlanBell> it is two people per 20,000, so any size of company has the potential to run out of staff
[10:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:01] <smittix> Morning all
[11:10] <jacobw> morning
[11:10] <brobostigon> morning jacobw amd smittix
[11:48] <bigcalm> christel: ping
[11:48] <christel> PONG
[11:49] <bigcalm> yay
[11:49] <bigcalm> Do you have a paypal address?
[11:49]  * smittix mmm the smell of sunday roast.
[11:49] <christel> yees? are you giving me money? lol
[11:49] <bigcalm> I owes you a bit aye :)
[11:49] <gord> bigcalm, i also have a paypal address if you want to give me money
[11:49] <christel> oh, don't worry about it :)
[11:50] <bigcalm> :O
[11:51] <bigcalm> christel: that's very kind of you, but I feel guilty of not paying my way
[11:54] <popey> btw bigcalm - 2010 - the year we make contact
[11:54] <stilia-johny> helo evrybody..
[11:55] <popey> hello stilia-johny
[11:55] <bigcalm> popey: aha!
[11:55] <popey> its on my desk ☺
[11:56] <bigcalm> The film or book?
[11:56] <popey> film
[11:56] <stilia-johny> i wana ask... im living in essex and im new in the area..( and in uk) i have a linux user comunity in greece  is there any L.U.G in essex?? thanks a lot!
[11:56] <popey> stilia-johny: i dont think there is
[11:56] <popey> stilia-johny: http://lug.org.uk/ is the best place to check
[11:56] <christel> stilia-johny: i know there is one in colchester, Gary here is quite involved
[11:56] <stilia-johny> thenks i will check it!
[11:57] <popey> LUGs in the UK are a bit dead IMO
[11:59] <bigcalm> popey: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts
[11:59] <bigcalm> Oops, https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/im8Xon8cdJQ
[11:59] <Myrtti> aw, amazon.co.uk doesn't have a donation option?
[12:00] <Myrtti> boo.
[12:04] <popey> ☺
[12:21] <jacobw> how was this meal in the dark?
[12:38] <christel> jacobw: it was interesting, i'm not sure i'd do it again but it certainly was an experience
[12:38] <christel> the starter glowed in the dark, that was a bit freaky
[12:39] <christel> and the surprise main consisted of blue shark, wagga beef and ostrich steak!
[12:39] <christel> i can't say i've had shark before
[12:39] <christel> or ostrich
[12:39] <christel> :)
[12:39] <AlanBell> I have had ostrich before
[12:39] <AlanBell> nice on the BBQ
[12:40] <christel> :D
[12:43] <christel> it wasn't unpleasant
[13:22] <MooDoo> hello all
[13:22] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo
[13:23] <christel> MooDoo :)
[13:23] <MooDoo> how's everyone today?
[13:23] <penguin42> passable
[13:23] <brobostigon> in pain.
[13:23] <brobostigon> MooDoo: and you?
[13:25] <MooDoo> brobostigon: at work
[13:26]  * brobostigon scp's MooDoo a beer.
[13:26] <MooDoo> brobostigon: 10 please
[13:26]  * brobostigon scp's MooDoo the whole crate.
[13:29] <MooDoo> yay
[13:43] <carl_> #derbyjs
[13:45] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[14:22] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:22] <brobostigon> afternoonings daubers
[14:52] <christel> daubers :)
[14:53] <daubers> Another day, another house
[14:54] <Andres-kain> mervyn-smith?
[14:55] <daubers> hmm?
[14:58] <Andres-kain> sorry an estate agent.
[15:02] <daubers> oh, ok :)
[15:06] <Andres-kain> would ubuntu work on btfrs? instead of ext4?
[15:10] <jutnux> Yay for 3g
[15:11] <directhex> is butterfs more than a toy yet?
[15:11] <directhex> e.g. can it fsck?
[15:12] <funkyHat> I believe it now has live scrubbing, so yes
[15:13] <funkyHat> And debian testing can install on btrfs, so I see no reason why a new enough ubuntu couldn't either
[15:21] <penguin42> funkyHat: What do you mean by live scrubbing?
[15:21] <funkyHat> penguin42: it's a file system check that can run safely while the FS is mounted
[15:22] <penguin42> funkyHat: What about fixing issues that stop it being mounted in the 1st place?
[15:22] <funkyHat> penguin42: good question ⢁)
[15:22] <penguin42> funkyHat: Or where you want to check it after something bad happened to the machine
[15:23] <funkyHat> I got burnt a little by using btrfs on my netbook and having that happened, so I gave up on it
[15:23] <funkyHat> My recollection is that there is now a fsck for it, but I might be remembering wrong
[15:24] <funkyHat> Hm, google seems to suggest the fsck is still not finalised
[15:31] <funkyHat> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/
[15:39] <Nafallo> I'm running on btrfs right now, so yes.
[15:40] <Nafallo> I would only recommend it for playing with. not for productional use.
[15:48] <BigRedS> I keep trying to find a situation where I'm happy to 'play with' a filesystem
[15:48] <penguin42> BigRedS: VMs or build boxes that you are OK to lose; or someone elses data :-)
[15:49] <BigRedS> That's one of the things where I'm _incredibly_ grateful to the testers. It's not something I could bring myself to test
[15:49] <BigRedS> penguin42: yeah, but I always end up with stuff that I'd rather not lose on them
[15:49] <penguin42> nod
[15:49] <BigRedS> I suppose I could store my git stuff on it, since it all ends up remote as soon as I've done anything useful
[15:50] <BigRedS> but even ~/bin, which is nominally all either git or svn, has a bunch of code I've not got round to checking in...
[15:50] <Nafallo> well, I haven't lost data. but I've been saved by apt-btrfs-snapshot already :-)
[15:51] <BigRedS> at the risk of provoking a flamewar, what does btrfs do that xfs doesn't? I've actually never managed to research it since I decided XFS is awesome
[15:52] <BigRedS> Oh, that snapshotting looks rather more nifty
[15:52] <dwatkins> XFS is pretty good, but I'm biased as I used to work for SGI.
[15:52] <Nafallo> it does a lot more than XFS.
[15:52] <dwatkins> XFS has a lot of tools for recovering data, loads of large-volume stuff too
[15:53] <Nafallo> btrfs have stuff to do simple arrays directly in the file-system, amongst other thing.
[15:53] <Nafallo> things even
[15:54] <Nafallo> just check out some feature ist somewhere. their homepage or wikipeida maybe.
[16:14] <jutnux> 3g is such a lifesaver.
[16:15]  * Nafallo prefers HSDPA+
[16:16] <jutnux> That's what i meant.
[16:16] <jutnux> Android <3
[16:16] <jutnux> Ubuntu mobile should be good when it comes out though
[16:17] <BigRedS> I don't see the point in Ubuntu mobile, personally
[16:18] <BigRedS> Unless it's basically Android with a UI designed in some other way than asking "Soooo, what's iOS doing?"
[16:19] <jutnux> Well it's Ubuntu branching out
[16:19] <jutnux> Have you seen some mock ups which the community has done?
[16:19] <BigRedS> yeah, but that's just a picture
[16:19] <penguin42> it'll be quite a bit of work to get the battery/CPU/RAM down to mobile levels
[16:19] <penguin42> battery particularly
[16:19] <BigRedS> If, underneath, it's a desktop OS on a phone, then it's going to get the same reception as maemo did
[16:20] <BigRedS> which isn't *bad*, it's just that nobody particularly seems to want it
[16:20] <jutnux> Meh
[16:20] <BigRedS> If it could be the Linux I know and love, but with a VM hacked into it so I can still run Android apps, *that* would be good
[16:20] <jutnux> Yes
[16:20] <penguin42> yeh it would be interesting to be able to use some Ubuntu apps and some Android ones - e.g. I want the Android Google Maps
[16:21] <BigRedS> But if it's just desktop Linux on a small screen, then that'd be awesome until I tried to check my mail
[16:22] <penguin42> BigRedS: Stuff designed for Unity might work well - not sure what you would use for mail; mind you I've been known to ssh to my mail server and use mutt from my phone; but I couldn't class that as easy - especially without a keyboard :-)
[16:22] <jutnux> Anyone ever used an archos tablet?
[16:24] <jacobw> the no keyboard thing is still a problem for me :|
[16:24] <jutnux> Has anyone seen that Raspberry PI thing?
[16:24] <jutnux> £20 pc?
[16:28] <Myrtti> this Google+ Secret Santa thing sound nice, I hope it gets more momentum
[16:29] <jutnux> Myritti: What is it?
[16:30] <penguin42> jutnux: What I find interesting is the stuff falling off the bottom of the Android old phones; Argos have an Android phone for £39 that's listed in Cyanogen
[16:30] <penguin42> jutnux: Admittedly it is pink, but still
[16:30] <jutnux> Orly
[16:30] <jutnux> Bit of spray paint, problem solved
[16:31] <Myrtti> jutnux: https://plus.google.com/113269791493257695508/posts
[16:31] <AlanBell> or learn to love pink
[16:31] <jutnux> I'm comfortable with my sexuality so pink would be fine.
[16:31] <Myrtti> ah right, it's my pink hilight that is going off
[16:31] <AlanBell> anyone know if there is a solution to bad ram that doesn't involve throwing it away?
[16:31] <penguin42> AlanBell: It depends how bad it is
[16:31] <penguin42> AlanBell: If it's one or two bad locations you can tell the kernel to avoid that bit
[16:32] <AlanBell> some red bits in memtest86
[16:32] <penguin42> AlanBell: However, the best solution is to throw it away
[16:32] <daubers> AlanBell: Turn it into some modern art?
[16:32] <penguin42> AlanBell: If it's always the same location and it's not an inconvenient location then I think you can tell it to avoid it
[16:36]  * AlanBell hunts in the box of bits for another stick that will fit
[17:09] <Andres-kain> was btfrs better for solid state aka mobile phones hence meego and beefy miracle?
[17:11] <AlanBell> Andres-kain: don't think so, jffs is better for solid state, but I don't think btrfs is optimised that way
[17:14] <Andres-kain> thanks alanbell
[17:25]  * AlanBell now has double the ram in the dev/test box
[17:25] <penguin42> AlanBell: I thought btrfs had some ssd specific modes
[17:28] <Nafallo> AlanBell: wrong. it does have optimisations for SSDs
[17:29] <AlanBell> oh, I like being wrong :)
[17:29] <Nafallo> [    3.349503] Btrfs detected SSD devices, enabling SSD mode
[17:30] <AlanBell> ahh, ok, it does stuff to play nice with wear leveling on SSD
[17:30] <AlanBell> I was thinking about jffs2 which does nand flash support
[17:31]  * penguin42 is curious how it detects ssds
[17:32] <Nafallo> penguin42: use the source, luke ;-)
[17:33] <penguin42> Nafallo: !fs_info->fs_devices->rotating
[17:33] <christel> Nafallo: oh, did you see that scandi kitchen was looking for swedish people for a tv show?
[17:34] <Nafallo> christel: nope
[17:34] <Nafallo> christel: link?
[17:35] <christel> i'll drop you the link in a second!
[17:35] <christel> (i need to dig it out of my email)
[17:35] <Nafallo> hold you to it :-)
[17:37] <penguin42> queue_flag_set_unlocked(QUEUE_FLAG_NONROT, mq->queue); in mmc/card/queue.c, and similar oddly in nbd and a few others
[17:41] <christel> http://z6.co.uk/uq Nafallo
[17:44] <Nafallo> christel: hah. I wouldn't have much good to say about it I'm afraid.
[17:47] <christel> aww
[17:48] <christel> see, i have a lot to say about the swedes..
[17:48] <christel> :P
[18:36] <BigRedS> Anyone done much with Ubuntu on EC2? I'm doing gluster wrong, and I'm wondering if anyone's found what constitutes 'right'
[18:36] <BigRedS> of course, sunday evening's probably not the best time to ask :)
[19:14] <jutnux> I've only started using workspaces lately
[19:15] <jutnux> So useful
[19:20] <aquarius> I keep meaning to get back into using them :)
[19:24] <AlanBell> I use them a lot less now that the cube is gone
[19:24] <AlanBell> yes, I know I can enable the cube, but I try to keep the desktop as vanilla as possible
[19:25] <jutnux> They're so useful
[19:25] <jutnux> Dual monitors with 4 workspaces is like having 8 monitors
[19:25] <jutnux> so useful
[19:25] <jutnux> Had to recheck my maths there
[19:25] <jutnux> If I failed that simple multiplication I would have to self-immolate.
[19:26] <AlanBell> yeah they are great
[19:27] <AlanBell> had to use windows for a bit a couple of days ago, was really constraining not having the option of flipping to another workspace
[19:27] <AlanBell> I find with Unity I just use the top two workspaces, I never go down to the other two
[19:27] <jutnux> I'm using 3 at the minute.
[19:28] <jutnux> Do you work for canonical now?
[19:28] <AlanBell> and I mostly use top left, I just put single apps on the other workspaces
[19:28] <AlanBell> no, I don't work for canonical
[19:29] <AlanBell> with the cube there was no "primary" workspace, all sides of the cube are equal. Not quite the same with the wall
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: what's the name of your pet project again? the VNC servery/remote helpy thing
[19:29] <jutnux> Ah.
[19:29] <jutnux> I don't think I'd ever go back to Windows.
[19:30] <jutnux> I run it in a VM for certain apps but that is all.
[19:33] <AlanBell> this bottle of wine appears to be empty :(
[19:34] <jutnux> I presume you have more? ;)
[19:42] <jutnux> Are you for/against unity Alan?
[19:56] <smittix> Evening
[19:56] <smittix> Bah X-Factor has taken over the TV again
[19:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:57]  * brobostigon is watching robert peston on bbc.
[19:57] <jutnux> X-Factor +o(
[19:57] <jutnux> Anyone watch that Mark Zuckerberg documentary?
[19:57] <brobostigon> smittix: miles more interesting, and useful than that prog you mentioned.
[19:58] <DJones> smittix: I'm sure I heard a rumour that the winners song would be a cover version of something by Alvin & the Chipmonks to give the winner some "street cred"
[19:58] <smittix> HEH
[19:58] <smittix> brobostigon: Will have a look. Ive been banished upstairs
[19:59] <jutnux> XFactor is beyond a joke now though
[19:59] <brobostigon> smittix: ok.
[19:59] <smittix> jutnux: Indeed it is.
[19:59] <smittix> 2 hours of the crap tonight.
[20:00] <jutnux> I am in my room and all I see is constant updates via facebook.
[20:05] <smittix> Anyone watched Walking Dead?
[20:06] <dwatkins> yeah
[20:10] <jutnux> Yes
[20:10] <jutnux> It was quite good
[20:10] <jutnux> A bit weird how there was magically an opening into the tank when the zombies were coming to get him though.
[20:10] <AlanBell> jutnux: I am kind of OK about unity, just annoyed that the design team constantly break accessibility when trying to make things pretty
[20:11] <jutnux> AlanBell: I think it has increased my work flow to be honest, but then again I am a keyboard power user.
[20:11] <jutnux> The unity bar rarely ever comes out
[20:11] <smittix> Just watched the last one of the second series last night
[20:11] <AlanBell> I set my unity launcher to never hide, popping in and out was infuriating
[20:12] <AlanBell> and I don't use the unity alt-tab switcher, might do if they stop it raising all windows of an application you switch to
[20:13] <jutnux>  Yeah that is kind of annoying
[20:14] <jutnux> I have my windows evenly spread out over multiple workspaces so it's all good.
[20:17] <Laney> wow
[20:17] <Laney> I thought I was good at crosswords, then just tried a cryptic
[20:17] <Laney> back to square one
[20:18] <jutnux> Sudoko <333
[20:21] <jutnux> s/Sudoko/Sudoku
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> sudo ku
[20:23] <jutnux> MartijnVdS: I see what you did there.
[21:11] <popey> MartijnVdS: trublrt
[21:11] <popey> er
[21:11] <popey> trublr
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: thanks! :)
[21:11] <jutnux> popey: is it good?
[21:11] <popey> its unfinished ☺
[21:11] <jutnux> It looks amazing from what I've seen.
[21:11] <jutnux> Who developed it? :-)
[21:11] <popey> I'll finish it at some point
[21:11] <jutnux> OH
[21:11] <popey> I specced it up and employed someone to write the actual code
[21:12] <jutnux> Amazing job!
[21:12] <jutnux> What's it coded in?
[21:12] <popey> clients can be coded in anything you like
[21:12] <popey> server is mostly done using shell scripts and a bit of php
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> so that's what 'apt-get install popey' does (that, and backups)
[21:12] <popey> heh
[21:13] <jutnux> Ah nice.
[21:28] <jutnux> Holy hell my twitter feed is being spammed with x-factor.
[21:29] <BigRedS> Mine always gets spammed with people outraged at people talking about x-factor
[21:31] <dwatkins> I tend to ignore twitter mostly, I just add people's feeds to Google Reader if I'm that interested in what they have to say
[21:32] <aquarius> popey, is trublr at the point where I can point real people at it yet? :)
[21:32] <popey> no
[21:32] <popey> it will be shortly
[21:32] <aquarius> thought not :P
[21:32] <popey> been kinda busy with a new job
[21:33] <aquarius> that sounds like a reasonable reason
[21:47] <aquarius> man, I love this laptop to bits.
[21:47] <aquarius> Right, what's the best way to watch upnp video on Ubuntu?
[21:47] <aquarius> I don't want to use a full-screen client like xbmc
[21:48] <aquarius> there's the totem coherence plugin, but that's a bit shonky -- it's all "install a plugin in these folders" rather than something packaged.
[21:48] <aquarius> anyone got any better alternatives?
[21:49] <aquarius> also: it is 9.48 and I am unplugging the laptop for a battery life test.
[21:50] <popey> upnp video?
[21:50] <popey> you mean browse the network for video?
[21:50] <aquarius> as in, video being served by a UPnP server (like rygel or mediatomb)
[21:50] <aquarius> so I can browse the list and play a video
[22:07] <AlanBell> vlc probably does that
[22:08] <aquarius> yeah, I was thinking about vlc... but then it'll compete with totem to play just ordinary videos :)
[22:08] <aquarius> and I don't like vlc because it looks horrid and has weird keybindings
[22:10] <aquarius> I wonder why two-finger-scrolling isn't default in Ubuntu?
[22:10] <aquarius> is it because it doesn't reliably work on some hardware?
[22:13] <AlanBell> tell the design team it is default on mac and it will get in for precise
[22:14] <daubers> heh
[22:14] <daubers> are we back to that state of affairs?
[22:14] <aquarius> I suspect it's a hardware thing
[22:15] <aquarius> edge scrolling works on every touchpad everywhere
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[22:15] <daubers> I have a touchpad it doesn't work on
[22:15] <aquarius> two-finger scrolling requires a touchpad that can do multitouch and a driver that can do multitouch on that pad, which is less common than we might home for
[22:16] <aquarius> daubers, does it work in Windows? (I meant "for touchpads which have any concept of scrolling", I think)
[22:16] <daubers> aquarius: No, it doesn't work on windows :) It's a very old laptop
[22:16] <aquarius> daubers, right, yeah, so "edge scrolling works everywhere where there's some scrolling *at all*" :)
[22:17] <daubers> :)
[22:17] <daubers> I do have a multitouch touchpad, but haven't really seen any benefit from it
[22:17] <daubers> On this machine anyway
[22:23] <jutnux> Doomsday
[22:25] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:33] <dwatkins> nn brobostigon