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XenicideOkey another question.00:45
XenicideIs it possible to install xubuntu by mounting the iso?00:45
the_anthey, i just install project-open on my laptop. and for some reason i need to remove it. i install using step from here http://www.project-open.org/documentation/install_ubuntu badly i forget to write log.00:46
the_antXenicide: what do you want to do?00:50
XenicideI want to install xubuntu from windows xp from the harddrive00:52
TVasEyesXenicide: replacing windows xp?00:55
the_antwhere is your destination? install xubuntu as dual boot or under windows using wubi?00:59
XenicideTVasEyes: Maybe. It doesnt realy matter to me. My tought was if i wanted i could delete windows from Xubuntu00:59
TVasEyesXenicide: option: install VirtualBox or VMWare and run Xubuntu as vm for a while?01:00
XenicideSo by using wubi you install xubuntu on a ntfs file system?01:01
the_antXenicide: yes, you install xubuntu as a program on windows. if you don't like you can remove it from control panel.01:02
TVasEyesmight as well use Live version, even less hassle.01:02
the_antyap. TVasEyes is true.01:03
Xenicidedont you have to burn a cd to do that?01:03
TVasEyesXenicide: for live, yes.01:04
TVasEyesXenicide: there may be an option to use an USB stick, I don't know (someone here will though)01:04
the_antif you don't want to burn CD use Virtual machine to run live session.01:04
the_antTVasEyes: using unetbootin is easy.01:05
the_antXenicide: burn your iso to USB stick using unetbootin.01:05
TVasEyesXenicide, the_ant:  for just trying out live version is definitely easiest.01:07
XenicideWell by comp cant boot from USB01:07
TVasEyesbut you ca nburn cd?01:07
TVasEyescan burn*01:08
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XenicideI cant even get my cdrom to work.01:09
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TVasEyesXenicide: oh, then maybe the_ant's suggestion is the way forward.01:09
TVasEyesotoh, maybe a new cd drive first?01:11
XenicideTVasEyes: to install it using wubi? When i installed it seemed easy. I thought i was getting a real linix os.01:13
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XenicideIts not my drive that is the problem, i got a few but iam not very good at getting them to work.01:14
TVasEyesiXenicide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu_installer) says not.01:15
TVasEyesXenicide: going the virtual machine route gives you both, 'real' linux and option to start from iso01:16
TVasEyeswith a vm you won't need a new drive.01:17
XenicideTVasEyes: But in the wiki it says : While Wubi does not install Ubuntu directly to its own partition this can also be accomplished by using LVPM, the Loopmounted Virtual Partition Manager, to transfer the Wubi-generated Ubuntu installation to a dedicated real partition01:18
the_antconsider xubuntu system requirement if use virtual machine.01:19
TVasEyesXenicide: and it goes on to say: "It is not a Linux distribution of its own, but rather an installer for Ubuntu"01:19
TVasEyesXenicide: anyway, quickest route (IMO): install VirtualBox or VmWare Player, download Ubuntu appliance and enjoy.01:20
XenicideTVasEyes: Then lets say i want to replace windows with linux. I know it can can be done from the hdd but its a little bit more complicated.01:24
TVasEyesXenicide: I think without working cdrom and no option to boot from USB, replacing Windows is dicey..01:24
TVasEyesmight wind u pwithout anything working at all.01:25
TVasEyeswind up*01:25
the_antever i tried installing xubuntu to HDD from ISO image using VMware workstation, and its work.01:26
XenicideI know you have to use grub witch i have installed, its how you use its command that is hard.01:26
holsteinyou can go to another machine to install01:27
the_antonly if you have extra spare HDD. and set it as HDD of virtual machine.01:27
holsteintake the hard drive to another machine01:27
XenicideSo lets say i use VMware and the deletes the windows folder... what happens?01:28
the_antusing VMware as i said before?01:28
TVasEyesif you run Windows version of vmware and delete Windows -- it'll crash.01:29
XenicideAnother machine.. that might work, but then what?01:29
the_antif you boot from extra spare of hdd it's possible.01:29
the_anti mean windows status is shutted down.01:30
the_antand you run xubuntu from another hdd.01:30
Xenicideso the other hdd is used as an USB?01:33
TVasEyesnot sure what the_ant meant, I read this as dual-boot.  if you have another machine, and you're networked,01:34
TVasEyesmaybe someone can talk you through network boot/install.01:34
XenicideNo i only got one machine, and a ps3. But i should have access to another comp if that helps.01:37
TVasEyestbh, I'd sort out the hardware first.01:39
XenicideWell a 1.3 ghz and 384 ram comp is rather limited. http://agnipulse.com/2011/08/install-ubuntu-hard-disk/ is what i tried first.01:44
TVasEyesthere are other Linuxes which can cope with 384M ram well. ;)01:46
Xenicidehttp://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html then ther is this.01:46
XenicideOther linuxes? Iam sure there is.. Is all linuxes hardware specific?01:49
TVasEyessome need a lot more ram than others, all depends what s/ware you expect to use.01:50
XenicideWhile IRC might seems fast, maybe it would easier to ask on a forum. Well that i do know.01:51
the_antXenicide: have you check distrowatch for that?01:53
Xenicideno what is that?01:56
Xenicideis it posible to make another partion and just copy paste a pre installed linux?01:57
the_antdistrowatch is place to browse which distro is fit to you.01:57
holsteinXenicide: you can run something like puppy linux like that01:58
holsteinyou can take the hard drive to another machine, and install linux on it, and bring it back to that machine01:58
the_antno. Xenocide you can't do that.01:58
Xenicidethe_ant: is that because of hardware?01:58
holsteinyou *could* copy puppy over somehow, but it wouldnt be trivial01:59
the_antas holstein say, thats the only way. acording your hardware.01:59
the_antXenocide: but you can copy the partition. i use paragon for that. *sorry the easy way*02:00
the_antXenocide: i make it clear. you can copy the whole partition of linux to another hdd. but you can't copy file per file to another hdd, except you install minimal linux on it and copy another file you needed, but it's hard to do.02:02
Xenicidethe_ant: Xenocide? Did you typo twice? I dont want easy, i want to go from windows to linux using only my hdd.02:08
holsteinXenicide: ?02:09
holsteinvirtualbox?02:09
holsteindid you rule out netboot?02:09
the_antXenicide: sory for my typo.02:10
the_antXenicide: how big is your HDD?02:11
Xenicideholstein: Tried virtualbox, didnt work. netboot? Just want to change windows to Linux.02:12
holsteinXenicide: sure, and thats easy when you have the proper tools02:13
Xenicidethe_ant: 80gb02:13
holsteinif you have no way to boot install media, you'll need to be crative02:13
holsteincreative*02:13
Xenicidethe_ant: no problem about the typo.02:15
holsteinyou mean the nick?02:15
holsteinjust use tab complete on the nicks... just type an X and hit tab02:16
the_antholstein, thanks for it. i never chat using this before. :-D02:17
holsteinthe_ant: welcome !02:17
XenicideX didnt work for me but xe didi02:18
holsteinwhen i type "t" and hit tab, it cycles through the t nicks02:19
the_antXenicide: do you have another hdd?02:20
Xenicideholstein: creative? As long as it works by using only the hdd.02:20
holsteinXenicide: ?02:20
holsteinXenicide: it doesnt02:20
holsteinXenicide: do you have another machine?02:21
Xenicideholstein: baybe bcuz i use chatzilla02:21
holsteinXenicide: is the cd rom drive broken?02:21
holsteinyou can use plop to boot USB devices from cd02:21
holsteinXenicide: does the machine to netboot?02:22
Xenicidethe_ant: yes but it got content on it that i want to keep.02:22
holsteinXenicide: the hard drive?02:23
holsteinyou need to back that up02:23
holsteini would *not* do any dual booting, or shrinking partitions without backing up02:23
holsteinif you dont have that information backedup, its a matter of time til you lose it anyways, so just go ahead and develop a plan for that, and that plan will also help you install linux in this scenario02:24
the_antXenicide: OK, i assume you only have 2 hdd, 384MB RAM, 1.3ghz CPU02:24
the_antfirst, rearrange the partition. so you can backup your data to another partition.02:25
holsteinanother drive really.. that hard drive *will* fail02:26
Xenicideholstein: just 1 comp, no cd drive, no USB boot, just my hdd. netboot?02:26
holsteinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_booting02:26
the_antuse your second hdd that not contain any data you want to keep as UFD replacement.02:26
holsteinXenicide: how do you do backups?02:26
holsteinnetwork?02:27
the_antuse unetbootin to move your iso to your second HDD.02:27
holsteinyeah, i like that ^^02:27
holsteinthat'll work :)02:27
holsteinselect it from the bios02:28
the_antboot from your second hdd to run xubuntu installer.02:28
holsteinboot, install to the other one02:28
holsteinXenicide: do you have 2 hard drives?02:28
the_ant^^ yeah true.02:28
holsteinin the machine?02:28
Xenicidemy second got space but another filesystem so if possile i rather not use that. Partioning i know how to use.02:29
holsteinXenicide: that is literally the only way02:29
the_antmake sure you not touch your backup partition when installing xubuntu.02:29
the_antwhat filesystem?02:29
holsteinmove all the data to one drive, format the other fat32... unetbootin the iso on it, and move the data back over onto it02:29
holsteinXenicide: you have limited options here02:30
holsteinpuppy will do what you are looking for, but its not quite the same02:30
the_anti think it's the only way.02:30
holsteinif you want a modern distro, you'll need to make some decisions there02:31
TVasEyesholstein: and buy RAM.02:31
the_anti assume you have no cdrom, no usb boot, no network.02:31
holsteinhehe02:31
holsteinyeah, network boot is still an option potentially02:31
Xenicideholstein: ps302:32
holsteinXenicide: ?02:32
the_antXenicide: what?02:32
holsteinplay station 3?02:32
Xenicideholstein: that was for the_ant02:32
holsteinwhat is ps3?02:32
holsteinstill .. whats ps3?02:32
the_antps3 filesystem?02:35
Xenicideyes its palystaion 3, windows cant read it so it has to use a special file system (like fat, ntfs, or ext4)02:37
the_antis it possible to resize yout ps3 hdd or partition?02:37
Xenicidethe_ant: i think so. Then i plug it in with a USB device02:38
XenicideIf ther is a will, there is a way... so i just have to find a way02:39
the_anti never try with ps3 partition but you may try paragon partition manager to do it.02:42
Xenicidethe_ant: never would  or have? what is pragon?02:44
holsteinhttp://www.partition-manager.com/02:45
holsteini personally ust http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/02:45
holsteinthers a parted magic install on there02:45
holsteinall linux live CD generally have some partition manager though02:46
the_antholstein: he use windows, and can't boot from CD.02:48
holsteinyeah, im just saying what i use, and its free02:49
Xenicideholstein: the first link just seemed like a partion program, thed other seemed cd impended.02:49
holsteinif you spend $40 on software, you might as well get a USB stick, or something02:50
the_antthere's free version for that job http://www.paragon-software.com/home/pm-express/download.html02:52
holsteinsweet!02:52
holsteinill have to bookmark that for later02:52
Xenicideholstein: if i spent $2000 usd i woldnt have this problem02:57
holstein?02:58
holsteinif you spend $4002:58
holsteini got a USB cd rom drive the other day for $20 with lightscribe02:58
holsteini literally trip over CDrom drives i would give you if you were here02:59
holsteinyou dont need $$ necessarily, though it wouldnt hurt02:59
TVasEyesXenicide: if you've nowhere to backup to, how about using Google documents as temp storage? (you get ~8G I think)03:01
Xenicidegetting an USB is easy (my neighbor got one), but then i need by bios to boot from usb.03:02
holsteinyup, and dropbox... sparkleshare.. mediafire03:02
the_antbuy internal CDRW burn the ISO and boot from it. it's simple if you spent $03:04
XenicideTVasEyes: I dont need backup.. iam not about safety, for example i neither got a firewall or virus protection.03:07
* TVasEyes shakes head03:07
holsteinall hard drives fail03:08
TVasEyesand you said you had content which you wanted to keep..03:09
the_antTVasEyes: it was playstation3 partition.03:10
TVasEyesah03:11
Xenicidethe_ant: yes if you want it simple... but i youre chap you only want the system you have at the moment... because it can be done.03:12
XenicideTVasEyes: yes i have content i want to keep (like movies and music, but i its not a problem if i loose it)03:13
the_antXenicide: i just kidding :-p have you try the method i said before?03:14
TVasEyesXenicide: backup to the cloud, then follow the recipe given by the_ant?03:14
TVasEyesanyway, good luck with it all.03:16
the_antTVasEyes: if you're in my place, backup to cloud will take week.03:16
TVasEyesthe_ant: yes, but wouldn't need to be full backup, only the really important stuff, compressed & encrypted.03:17
TVasEyesthe_ant: at any rate, Xenicide will have to make some hard decisions.03:19
the_antTVasEyes: yap. it's true.03:19
XenicideNope both is wrong.. I just want it work with what i have.03:21
the_antXenicide: limitation. it make us creative. :-D03:23
Xenicidethe_ant: Easy is not always better. If there is a way for it to work, iam going to write a guide about it. Because information about linux is more or less non-existence.03:29
the_antXenicide: if there is the easy way why take the hard way?03:34
the_antuse good wah at the good time03:35
the_antway03:35
Xenicidethe_ant: if everyone wanted the easy way, nobody would use linux.03:37
the_antlinux is alternative.03:38
the_antexcept you want to learn it.learning is not always easy.03:39
the_antlinux is not the hard way.03:43
Xenicidethe_ant: Altenative? Maybe. Yes, learing can be hard, i know by trying to learn C++. On linux it depends if you have to use the command? (like cmd) because thats hard03:48
Paimungod damn it03:59
Paimunxubuntu doesn't think I have any audio hardware AGAIN03:59
the_antPaimun, that's i mean the hard way.04:00
PaimunI think you left out a word04:01
the_antwhats that?04:01
Paimun"that's i mean the hard way"04:02
Paimundoes not make sense04:02
Xenicidethat's what i mean with the hard way.?04:03
Xenicideor is the hard way.04:04
the_ant(doh) i got typo again.04:05
dnoirhi I am a newbie to xubuntu and wondering how to auto login on 11.1004:05
TVasEyesdnoir: https://we.riseup.net/refeman+tech-stuff/xubuntu-setup#activate-automatic-login04:10
Xenicidednoir: why not change to kdm?04:15
dnoirthanks tvaseyes will look into it now04:15
Xenicidednoir: check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1864527&page=204:15
dnoirI am happy to change to kdm, but never used linux / code / terminal stuff before so figuring it out as i go. tvaseyes solution gave me following response -> bash: /etc/gdm/custom.conf: No such file or directory04:22
TVasEyesdnoir: Xenicide's link might do it for you, otherwise google 'xubuntu "automatic login"', there'll be loads of different recipes, depending on which desktop and login manager you use.04:24
dnoirthanks but not sure I have the basic skills necessary, I tried typing [SeatDefaults] into the terminal and pressing enter but it said no command, perhaps I need to learn basic terminal code before I hassle you guys further04:27
TVasEyesdnoir: [SeatDefaults] is a section in file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf04:30
TVasEyesyou will need to edit this file (if you use lightdm for login), and you need to do this using sudo becuase you require privilege.04:31
dnoiri tried typing "sudo autologin-user=dnoir" and lots of text came up so perhaps I am getting somewhere04:32
TVasEyesif you have no experience, familiarise yourself with an editor of choice first.04:32
XenicideFrom what i read TVasEyes is correct.An alternative to Alin's answer is to create a file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and add the following content:04:32
Xenicide[SeatDefaults]04:32
Xenicideautologin-user=<YOUR USER>04:32
Xenicideautologin-user-timeout=004:32
Xenicideuser-session=ubuntu04:32
Xenicidegreeter-session=unity-greeter04:32
XenicideNext time you start, auto-login should work like expected.04:32
XenicideOr rather: http://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-with-lightdm04:33
jasonsrus2007just testing irssi04:37
dnoirSorry think I am out of my depth here, thanks for your help tho, I am going to watch some terminal tutorials on youtube04:37
TVasEyesdnoir: ;)04:38
jasonsrus2007dnoir > what are you having problems with?04:38
XenicideDid jason just asked a question and then just leaved?04:54
dnoirin the terminal i typed "pwd" and pressed enter it said my directory was "/home/dnoir" so how do I "create a file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf"04:56
TVasEyesdnoir: you need to use an editor, there are a number of different ones, I like using vi.04:57
TVasEyescreate the file in your home directory, when it's complete copy it to the correct directory. want to do it now?04:59
TVasEyesdnoir: ?05:01
dnoirhow do I use the vi editor05:01
TVasEyesok, type vi lightdm.conf <enter>05:02
TVasEyesthen i to go into insert mode.05:02
dnoirok done it says "lightdm" [new file]05:02
XenicideA genaral question: Why does an OS need to be installed during boot?05:02
TVasEyesnow i to get insert mode05:03
TVasEyesso you can enter text into the new file.05:03
holsteinXenicide: during boot?05:04
holsteinit doesnt05:04
holsteinit needs to be installed if you want it installed05:04
dnoirdoes that just mean pressing insert on the key board?05:04
TVasEyesdnoir: no, the i key, the legend at the bottom should change05:05
TVasEyesdnoir: do you see --insert at the bottom of your window?05:07
dnoirno sorry I pressed the i key but nothing happened05:09
TVasEyesdnoir: hm, after you start vi <filename>, when you press i you will get into insert mode.05:10
TVasEyescan you type and see the text entered?05:10
dnoirnope sorry05:11
holsteini still use nano05:12
TVasEyesdnoir: oh dear.  can you exit by typing :q<enter> ?05:12
Xenicideholstein: Yes or you wouldnt have to restart to install an OS.05:12
dnoiroh yes after I press i I can insert text sorry05:12
TVasEyesholstein: never used nano.05:12
holsteinits just a simple editor... nothing like vi... but i use it for banging out something simple in the CLI05:13
TVasEyesdnoir: good.  no, what you type must be exact.  I'll paste the lines from my lightdm.conf one by one.05:13
TVasEyesdnoir: first line reads:  [SeatDefaults]05:14
TVasEyesthen enter to get to second line05:14
holsteinXenicide: yeah, you'll need to restart at some point to change operating systems, at least natively05:15
dnoirok05:15
TVasEyesthe next two lines will be from a forum because I don't do auto login05:15
TVasEyesline 2:  autologin-user-timeout=005:15
TVasEyesthen enter05:15
TVasEyesline 3:  autologin-session=lightdm-autologin05:16
TVasEyesenter again05:16
TVasEyesthe next line you'll need to know whether you like xfce desktop or standard ubuntu, here's mine for xfce05:17
TVasEyesline 4:  user-session=xfce05:17
TVasEyeschange xfce to ubuntu if necessary, then enter05:17
Xenicideholstein: yes to change, but i meant installing.05:17
TVasEyesdnoir: you still with it?05:18
holsteinXenicide: you'll need a way to use the install media... you have several options to explore though05:18
holsteinnetwork boot, and unetbootin from that 2nd hard drive05:18
holsteinor, just take it to another machine05:18
holsteinXenicide: i wouldnt expect to find the magic loop-hole05:18
holsteinif you want to install the OS, you'll need to do just that05:19
dnoiryes i am following everything05:19
TVasEyescool, next line:  greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter05:19
dnoirjust had to restart once cause I made a mistake05:19
Xenicideholstein: network boot is boot, unetbootin is boot, live CD is still boot. So why all the booting?05:20
TVasEyesvi isn't the friendliest of editors, sorry  to inflict it on you. :-)05:20
holsteinXenicide: you need to boot the install media if you want to install05:20
holsteinyou are booting whatever OS you are in now, and something was booted to install that OS05:21
dnoirthats cool i have never done this stuff before so very interested anyway05:21
dnoiri press enter after ...greeter05:21
TVasEyesdnoir: when you've enter all five lines exactly as shown, press <Escape> key once to get out of insert mode.05:21
TVasEyesyes, enter after each line.05:22
dnoirok pressed esc05:22
TVasEyesok, now type : (that's a colon) followed by wq and enter (: makes vi expect a command, w for write file, q for quit)05:23
holsteinXenicide: did you try wubi?05:23
holsteinseems like that is just the thing for you05:23
TVasEyesdnoir: you should now be back in the shell / terminal program and see your prompt.05:24
dnoirdo i type wq then enter or w <enter> the q?05:24
TVasEyestype :wq<enter>05:24
Xenicideholsein: but why boot to install? For example: If i want to install a program i just install and then start it without rebooting. Wubi? Yes but there is some boot menu that i cant find any information att all.05:25
dnoirsorry it said command not found05:25
holsteinXenicide: you want a wubi05:26
TVasEyesdnoir: are you still in vi? if yes, press <Escape>, then :wq<Enter>05:26
holsteinXenicide: mostly because of the changes on the hard drive... partitioning for example05:26
dnoiractually i may have already done the correct command in vi cause I am back in the terminal, think I miss read your instructions, lets assume I did it correct and proceed05:27
TVasEyesdnoir: ok, now if you do ls<Enter> (ls is used to list the files in the current directory) you should see the newly created file05:28
holsteinXenicide: when you install an application, that is into the already booted OS05:28
dnoirls05:28
TVasEyesdnoir: yes, ls for LiSt05:29
dnoiryes there is a lightdm.conf file :)05:29
TVasEyescool,  now type cat lightdm.conf<Enter> and the file contents will be printed to the console,05:30
Xenicideholstein: partitioning is easy. During wubi install my comp hangs, when i choose another option i got "input sigan out of range"05:30
TVasEyesthis will allow you to double-check there are no typo's.05:30
TVasEyesit's important that there are no typo's.05:30
holsteinXenicide: i didnt imply it was challenging to partition, but partitioning a hard drive that is running an OS can be challening05:31
holsteinWUBI is the way to go for what you are dealing with05:31
holsteini would work on what that error is05:31
holsteintry the 10.04 version05:31
holsteinthe LTS05:31
holsteinXenicide: you'll *never* figure out how to install xubuntu into a hard drive you are booted into05:32
TVasEyesdnoir: do you see the file's contents?05:33
holsteinyou can do some things like that maybe by 'nesting' puppy linux or knoppix...05:33
Xenicideholstein: Is it easy to uppgrade from 10.04 to 11.10 within the OS?05:33
dnoiryes the only difference is i did not use capitals in [seatdefaults] should i corrct that?05:33
holsteinXenicide: i personally wouldnt05:33
holsteini would wait for 12.04... or just run 10.04 on that hardware05:34
TVasEyesdnoir: yes, must be exactly like shown, including capitalisation.05:34
holsteinyou would need to upgrade to 10.10, then 11.04.. so on..05:34
holsteinyou can jump right from 10.04 to 12.04.. but i wouldnt with those specs05:34
dnoirdo I type vi lightdm.conf again to edit text in vi?05:35
TVasEyesdnoir: to correct (this will be fun), start vi again with the filename, ie vi lightdm.conf<Enter>05:35
dnoirdone sorry I am a city planner not a programmer05:36
TVasEyesdnoir: then move your cursor over the the s in seatdefaults, and press r (which means replace) followed by <Shift>s to get the caital.05:36
TVasEyescapital*05:36
TVasEyesdnoir: you should see the s having changed to S.05:37
TVasEyesdnoir:  ok?05:38
dnoiryes i have replaced the text correctly although I accidently inserted a black line above the text, hope that doesn't matter05:39
dnoiri mean a blank line05:39
dnoirdo I type :wq again?05:40
TVasEyesdnoir: shouldn't matter, but to remove it you can (with your cursor on the empty line) type dd05:40
Xenicideholstein: Maybe its my fault thinking linux will always be as advanced as dos.05:40
XenicideIs there a big difference between 10.04 too 10.10 and 11.04?05:40
TVasEyesdnoir: have you replace the D in SeatDefaults?05:40
dnoiryes05:41
TVasEyesok, yes, :wq<Enter>05:41
dnoirremoved the lines as well05:41
dnoirgreat done05:41
TVasEyesdnoir: again, cat lightdm.conf to see and verify that all is as it should.05:41
dnoiryep looks good to me05:42
TVasEyesdnoir: cool, now all that remains is getting the file to its place, the command is: sudo cp lightdm.conf /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf05:43
TVasEyescp is for CoPy05:43
dnoirok it asked for my password which I typed and pressed enter05:46
TVasEyesdnoir: now verify that everything went well:  ls /etc/lightdm  to see the file in the directory (or folder if you come from Windows)05:46
dnoirok it responded with 4 lines of text05:47
dnoirlightdm.conf05:47
dnoirlightdm-gtk-greeter.conf05:47
dnoirlightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf05:48
dnoiruser.conf05:48
TVasEyesdnoir: looks ok, after rebooting autologin should come into force.05:48
dnoirgreat thanks tvaseyes, my first foray into ubuntu coding has been fun, will report back05:50
TVasEyesdnoir: see you then.05:50
dnoirthanks tvaseyes everything seems to be working well, i also figured out how to remove the xscreensaver package with synaptic, so I don't have that login either06:13
TVasEyesdnoir: glad to hear, hope you'll get to like GNU/Linux.06:14
dnoiryeh i already like customising things, I got a netbook which had crappy windows software so I tried meego for a while, now I am trying xubuntu and gonna switch my desktop to ubuntu also06:16
TVasEyesdnoir: on a personal note, password/logins do have a purpose, especially if it's a netbook/laptop which you might leave laying around where others can access them.06:19
dnoirI am not too worried about that, nothing overly valuable on my netbook, will keep that in mind for my desktop tho06:22
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TVasEyesdnoir: ok, another tip, on the command-line if you're looking for some way to do something, use apropos, eg. apropos editor will show commands relating to editors, then use man <name-of-program> to find out more, start with man man. ;)06:25
XenicideIs passwords not for quick protection, or is linux more secure than windows?06:30
dnoirlooks like i got some reading to do;) thanks again!06:31
TVasEyesXenicide: there are CD's which will remove existing Windows passwords to allow login without, I don't know of anything like that for *NIX.06:33
XenicideTVasEyes: I didnt know that. But i do have experience getting acess to a win7 comp by using linux.06:38
atrunoboth linux and windows have pros and cons all the pros about windows usually require the purchase of software.  alot of its open source ports don't render as nicely.06:41
atrunois anyone here using nautilus in xubuntu ?06:42
TVasEyesatruno: not me,sorry.06:44
atrunoyou'd have to disable rescue mode in your kernels on linux to have better security.06:44
TVasEyesatruno: & encrpyt the partitions which matter.06:44
TVasEyesencrypt*06:44
atrunodoes that mess things up when you install a newer version ?  does not also involve password prompt per partition on boot ?06:45
TVasEyesatruno: not sure about newer version, am fairly new to Xubuntu and the Ubuntu way is very different from, say, slackware.  you'd use the same password/key for all, I would have thought.06:48
TVasEyesatruno: do you mount all your partitions at boot time?06:53
atrunoonly when i have encryped under other linux.  it prompted me for pass which was a pain.06:54
TVasEyesatruno: may be worth it for laptops/netbooks.06:55
atrunotrue06:55
atrunoi had a laptop stolen from me.  it had my dads loaned american express in a odt file.06:56
TVasEyesI think you can get PCMCIA cards which take care of the business.06:57
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LinzeHow can i keep my toolbar at the buutom10:08
LinzeSomewere in the preference10:09
TheSheepLinze: toolbar?10:44
TheSheepLinze: buutom?10:44
TheSheepLinze: can you clarify?10:45
LinzeTheSheep,Good morning10:46
LinzeSorry I already found10:46
LinzeIam just new to ubuntu cq linux10:47
LinzeBut looks very oke10:47
LinzeCan i change the wallpaper in what ever i want?10:47
TheSheepsure, in settings->desktop10:49
TheSheepjust click on the plus below the list10:49
Linzeok10:50
LinzeI `ve another question10:53
LinzeI installed sollarium,but can`t start it up10:54
LinzeHas it something to do with "session and startup"10:54
TheSheepwhat is sollarium?10:54
Linzesientific,starprogram10:55
TheSheepwhat is the error message you get?10:55
Linzedon`t know what happend just now,but my screen is frozen10:56
LinzeWell after the reboot I can start up stellarium11:00
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LectusHi! Where can I submit bugs to Xubuntu dev team? I think I found one.13:41
Singap_Cougarhello everybory17:16
diskrollhello17:17
PingJockyhello rom17:49
popschis there a cli command that returns the current workspace number?18:30
ToZpopsch, see: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=303019:16
Singap_Cougarhello19:55
Singap_Cougarhello everybory19:55
Singap_Cougarcoul you help me. does anibody know how sync by bluetooth nokia symbian s 60 to xubuntu?19:56
Crash_O-Dwheni hook laptop to tv via hdmi i get video but no sound, i changed sound under mixer to use hda ati hdmi (alsa mixer) nothing, even tried playback: rv710/730 digital stero (hdmi) (pulseAudio Mixer) nothing changed to21:41
holsteinCrash_O-D: you can try installing pavucontrol21:46
holsteinthat could just *never* work21:46
Crash_O-Dwill try. under ubuntu it worked but not under x21:48
holsteinCrash_O-D: OH... thats good21:49
holsteinyou just have to find out what you need to add then21:49
holsteinwas it the same version?21:49
holsteinxubuntu and ubuntu 11.10?21:49
Crash_O-Dyes, but under ubuntu i needed not extra work21:50
holsteinCrash_O-D: install ubuntu21:50
holsteinthen, install xfce21:51
holsteinotherwise, you'll need to look and see what you'll need to add to xubuntu21:51
Crash_O-Dwell i installed xubuntu why i need to figure sound21:51
holsteinxGrind: ?21:51
holsteinxGrind: sorry21:51
holsteinCrash_O-D: ?21:51
Crash_O-D** (pavucontrol:7441): DEBUG: Error reading config file /home/crash/.config/pavucontrol.ini: No such file or directory21:52
Crash_O-D** (pavucontrol:7441): DEBUG: Failed to initialize device manager extension: No such extension21:52
holsteinCrash_O-D: maybe you dont have pulseaudio and thats the issue21:52
holsteini forget if xubuntu has pulse by default21:52
Crash_O-Dit did not i had to install it21:53
holsteinok, so theres probably something else fiddly then21:53
holsteini would just install ubuntu, and install xfce21:53
Crash_O-Dlol after setting up all i did would take days to get were i am21:57
holsteinsure21:57
holsteinbut with audio :)21:57
holsteinyou can save your /home21:57
Crash_O-Di have comp speakers just not via hdmi21:57
holsteinanyways, you *can* figure it out21:58
holsteinits going to be challenging though21:58
holsteinyou can try installing the uubntu-desktop metapackage21:58
holsteinat least select it, and look at what all wants to be pulled in21:59
Crash_O-Dhow i get that package22:01
holsteinubuntu-desktop?22:01
holsteinits a meta-package22:01
holsteinit'll want to pull in a bunch of stuff22:02
Crash_O-Doh okay never mind22:02
Crash_O-Don that22:02
holsteini would open synaptic, search it, and select it22:02
holsteinlook and see what all wants to be pulled in22:02
holsteinthe answer should be one of those packages22:02
Crash_O-Dokay thanks22:03
yakebHi all,  I am attempting to install xubuntu to a usb flash drive, as my hard drive took a dive.. I was wondering if a.)  this is even possible and b..) there are any additional steps in need to take during install-as it appears to be stuck on a black screen with a spinning circle.22:03
holsteinyakeb: i would do it just like normal22:03
holsteini would want to see xubuntu running live on the system *before* installing22:03
yakebAlso,  I know how to make a bootable flash drive for install, but I am trying to do a complete install to flash drive.22:04
holsteini would install selecting the USB drive as the destination in the installer22:04
holsteinGRUB will go there, and all should be as normal22:04
yakebThe system had xubuntu on it before and it boots into the livecd and the live usb flash drive just fine.22:05
holsteincool22:05
holsteinso, you just select the USB as the destination22:05
holsteini assume the 'dead' hard drive is out?22:06
yakebI selected the usb drive as the destination and everything seemed fine but I think it is stuck now, it has been on a black screen with a spinning circle for an hour or longer.  Perhaps this is normally, though I don't recall an install taking this long in the past.22:07
holsteinit?22:07
holsteinthe installer?22:07
holsteinit'll take as long as it takes to write to the USB22:08
holsteinif its slower, it'll take longer22:08
yakebYes I pulled out the old hard drive before running the install.22:08
yakebToshiba a205 series,  not new but not ancient.22:08
holsteinwont matter, as long as it boots USB, or you use something like plop22:09
yakebBios supports usb boot22:09
yakebWhat's plop?22:09
holsteina way to boot USB from CD when the bios *doesnt* support that22:10
yakebIt's usb 2.0 bus-I would think it would be faster writing to flash than to an satanic drive, perhaps I'm mistaken.22:11
yakeb*sata.22:11
yakebHey,  thanks for all your input... I guess I'll just wait a while longer and see what happens.22:13
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w30Are any menu editors available for xfce4 or is there an alacarte deb available without installing unity, gnome, and compiz?23:21
holsteinhttp://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu23:22
holsteinw30: looks like LXMenuEditor works as well23:23
w30holstein, where did you find that at? putting LXMenuEditor in search in Synaptic finds nothing.23:27
w30holstein, nevermind, i see your url now.23:31
w30holstein, thanks, I will install that and see how it works.23:37

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