[00:45] <Xenicide> Okey another question.
[00:45] <Xenicide> Is it possible to install xubuntu by mounting the iso?
[00:46] <the_ant> hey, i just install project-open on my laptop. and for some reason i need to remove it. i install using step from here http://www.project-open.org/documentation/install_ubuntu badly i forget to write log.
[00:50] <the_ant> Xenicide: what do you want to do?
[00:52] <Xenicide> I want to install xubuntu from windows xp from the harddrive
[00:55] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: replacing windows xp?
[00:59] <the_ant> where is your destination? install xubuntu as dual boot or under windows using wubi?
[00:59] <Xenicide> TVasEyes: Maybe. It doesnt realy matter to me. My tought was if i wanted i could delete windows from Xubuntu
[01:00] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: option: install VirtualBox or VMWare and run Xubuntu as vm for a while?
[01:01] <Xenicide> So by using wubi you install xubuntu on a ntfs file system?
[01:02] <the_ant> Xenicide: yes, you install xubuntu as a program on windows. if you don't like you can remove it from control panel.
[01:02] <TVasEyes> might as well use Live version, even less hassle.
[01:03] <the_ant> yap. TVasEyes is true.
[01:03] <Xenicide> dont you have to burn a cd to do that?
[01:04] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: for live, yes.
[01:04] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: there may be an option to use an USB stick, I don't know (someone here will though)
[01:04] <the_ant> if you don't want to burn CD use Virtual machine to run live session.
[01:05] <the_ant> TVasEyes: using unetbootin is easy.
[01:05] <the_ant> Xenicide: burn your iso to USB stick using unetbootin.
[01:07] <TVasEyes> Xenicide, the_ant:  for just trying out live version is definitely easiest.
[01:07] <Xenicide> Well by comp cant boot from USB
[01:07] <TVasEyes> but you ca nburn cd?
[01:08] <TVasEyes> can burn*
[01:08] <Nineain> (Ohh wooaahhh) x3
[01:08] <Nineain> You know you love me
[01:08] <Nineain> I know you care
[01:08] <Nineain> Just shout whenever,
[01:08] <Nineain> And I'll be there
[01:08] <[nyan]> la que espera..
[01:08] <Nineain> You want my love
[01:08] <[nyan]> KJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
[01:08] <Nineain> You want my heart
[01:08] <Nineain> And we would never, ever, ever be apart
[01:08] <Nineain> Are we an item?
[01:08] <Nineain> Girl quit playin'
[01:08] <Nineain> We're just friends,
[01:08] <Nineain> What are you sayin'?
[01:08] <Nineain> Said there's another as you look right in my eyes
[01:08] <Nineain> My first love, broke my heart for the first time
[01:08] <Nineain> And I was like
[01:08] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby ooh
[01:08] <Nineain> Like
[01:09] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby noo
[01:09] <Nineain> Like
[01:09] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby ohh
[01:09] <bazhang> !ot
[01:09] <Nineain> I thought you'd always be mine (mine)
[01:09] <Xenicide> I cant even get my cdrom to work.
[01:09] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby ohh
[01:09] <Nineain> Like
[01:09] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby noo
[01:09] <Nineain> Like
[01:09] <bazhang> Nineain, stop that
[01:09] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby ohh
[01:09] <Nineain> I thought you'd always be mine (mine)
[01:09] <Nineain> Oh oh For you, I would have done whatever
[01:09] <[nyan]> JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
[01:09] <Unit193> Thank you bazhang
[01:09] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: oh, then maybe the_ant's suggestion is the way forward.
[01:11] <TVasEyes> otoh, maybe a new cd drive first?
[01:13] <Xenicide> TVasEyes: to install it using wubi? When i installed it seemed easy. I thought i was getting a real linix os.
[01:13] <Nineain> And I was like
[01:13] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby ooh
[01:13] <Nineain> Like
[01:13] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby noo
[01:13] <Nineain> Like
[01:13] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby ohh
[01:13] <Nineain> I thought you'd always be mine (mine)
[01:13] <Nineain> Baby, baby, baby ohh
[01:14] <Nineain> Like
[01:14] <Xenicide> Its not my drive that is the problem, i got a few but iam not very good at getting them to work.
[01:15] <TVasEyes> iXenicide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu_installer) says not.
[01:16] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: going the virtual machine route gives you both, 'real' linux and option to start from iso
[01:17] <TVasEyes> with a vm you won't need a new drive.
[01:18] <Xenicide> TVasEyes: But in the wiki it says : While Wubi does not install Ubuntu directly to its own partition this can also be accomplished by using LVPM, the Loopmounted Virtual Partition Manager, to transfer the Wubi-generated Ubuntu installation to a dedicated real partition
[01:19] <the_ant> consider xubuntu system requirement if use virtual machine.
[01:19] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: and it goes on to say: "It is not a Linux distribution of its own, but rather an installer for Ubuntu"
[01:20] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: anyway, quickest route (IMO): install VirtualBox or VmWare Player, download Ubuntu appliance and enjoy.
[01:24] <Xenicide> TVasEyes: Then lets say i want to replace windows with linux. I know it can can be done from the hdd but its a little bit more complicated.
[01:24] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: I think without working cdrom and no option to boot from USB, replacing Windows is dicey..
[01:25] <TVasEyes> might wind u pwithout anything working at all.
[01:25] <TVasEyes> wind up*
[01:26] <the_ant> ever i tried installing xubuntu to HDD from ISO image using VMware workstation, and its work.
[01:26] <Xenicide> I know you have to use grub witch i have installed, its how you use its command that is hard.
[01:27] <holstein> you can go to another machine to install
[01:27] <the_ant> only if you have extra spare HDD. and set it as HDD of virtual machine.
[01:27] <holstein> take the hard drive to another machine
[01:28] <Xenicide> So lets say i use VMware and the deletes the windows folder... what happens?
[01:28] <the_ant> using VMware as i said before?
[01:29] <TVasEyes> if you run Windows version of vmware and delete Windows -- it'll crash.
[01:29] <Xenicide> Another machine.. that might work, but then what?
[01:29] <the_ant> if you boot from extra spare of hdd it's possible.
[01:30] <the_ant> i mean windows status is shutted down.
[01:30] <the_ant> and you run xubuntu from another hdd.
[01:33] <Xenicide> so the other hdd is used as an USB?
[01:34] <TVasEyes> not sure what the_ant meant, I read this as dual-boot.  if you have another machine, and you're networked,
[01:34] <TVasEyes> maybe someone can talk you through network boot/install.
[01:37] <Xenicide> No i only got one machine, and a ps3. But i should have access to another comp if that helps.
[01:39] <TVasEyes> tbh, I'd sort out the hardware first.
[01:44] <Xenicide> Well a 1.3 ghz and 384 ram comp is rather limited. http://agnipulse.com/2011/08/install-ubuntu-hard-disk/ is what i tried first.
[01:46] <TVasEyes> there are other Linuxes which can cope with 384M ram well. ;)
[01:46] <Xenicide> http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html then ther is this.
[01:49] <Xenicide> Other linuxes? Iam sure there is.. Is all linuxes hardware specific?
[01:50] <TVasEyes> some need a lot more ram than others, all depends what s/ware you expect to use.
[01:51] <Xenicide> While IRC might seems fast, maybe it would easier to ask on a forum. Well that i do know.
[01:53] <the_ant> Xenicide: have you check distrowatch for that?
[01:56] <Xenicide> no what is that?
[01:57] <Xenicide> is it posible to make another partion and just copy paste a pre installed linux?
[01:57] <the_ant> distrowatch is place to browse which distro is fit to you.
[01:58] <holstein> Xenicide: you can run something like puppy linux like that
[01:58] <holstein> you can take the hard drive to another machine, and install linux on it, and bring it back to that machine
[01:58] <the_ant> no. Xenocide you can't do that.
[01:58] <Xenicide> the_ant: is that because of hardware?
[01:59] <holstein> you *could* copy puppy over somehow, but it wouldnt be trivial
[01:59] <the_ant> as holstein say, thats the only way. acording your hardware.
[02:00] <the_ant> Xenocide: but you can copy the partition. i use paragon for that. *sorry the easy way*
[02:02] <the_ant> Xenocide: i make it clear. you can copy the whole partition of linux to another hdd. but you can't copy file per file to another hdd, except you install minimal linux on it and copy another file you needed, but it's hard to do.
[02:08] <Xenicide> the_ant: Xenocide? Did you typo twice? I dont want easy, i want to go from windows to linux using only my hdd.
[02:09] <holstein> Xenicide: ?
[02:09] <holstein> virtualbox?
[02:09] <holstein> did you rule out netboot?
[02:10] <the_ant> Xenicide: sory for my typo.
[02:11] <the_ant> Xenicide: how big is your HDD?
[02:12] <Xenicide> holstein: Tried virtualbox, didnt work. netboot? Just want to change windows to Linux.
[02:13] <holstein> Xenicide: sure, and thats easy when you have the proper tools
[02:13] <Xenicide> the_ant: 80gb
[02:13] <holstein> if you have no way to boot install media, you'll need to be crative
[02:13] <holstein> creative*
[02:15] <Xenicide> the_ant: no problem about the typo.
[02:15] <holstein> you mean the nick?
[02:16] <holstein> just use tab complete on the nicks... just type an X and hit tab
[02:17] <the_ant> holstein, thanks for it. i never chat using this before. :-D
[02:17] <holstein> the_ant: welcome !
[02:18] <Xenicide> X didnt work for me but xe didi
[02:19] <holstein> when i type "t" and hit tab, it cycles through the t nicks
[02:20] <the_ant> Xenicide: do you have another hdd?
[02:20] <Xenicide> holstein: creative? As long as it works by using only the hdd.
[02:20] <holstein> Xenicide: ?
[02:20] <holstein> Xenicide: it doesnt
[02:21] <holstein> Xenicide: do you have another machine?
[02:21] <Xenicide> holstein: baybe bcuz i use chatzilla
[02:21] <holstein> Xenicide: is the cd rom drive broken?
[02:21] <holstein> you can use plop to boot USB devices from cd
[02:22] <holstein> Xenicide: does the machine to netboot?
[02:22] <Xenicide> the_ant: yes but it got content on it that i want to keep.
[02:23] <holstein> Xenicide: the hard drive?
[02:23] <holstein> you need to back that up
[02:23] <holstein> i would *not* do any dual booting, or shrinking partitions without backing up
[02:24] <holstein> if you dont have that information backedup, its a matter of time til you lose it anyways, so just go ahead and develop a plan for that, and that plan will also help you install linux in this scenario
[02:24] <the_ant> Xenicide: OK, i assume you only have 2 hdd, 384MB RAM, 1.3ghz CPU
[02:25] <the_ant> first, rearrange the partition. so you can backup your data to another partition.
[02:26] <holstein> another drive really.. that hard drive *will* fail
[02:26] <Xenicide> holstein: just 1 comp, no cd drive, no USB boot, just my hdd. netboot?
[02:26] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_booting
[02:26] <the_ant> use your second hdd that not contain any data you want to keep as UFD replacement.
[02:26] <holstein> Xenicide: how do you do backups?
[02:27] <holstein> network?
[02:27] <the_ant> use unetbootin to move your iso to your second HDD.
[02:27] <holstein> yeah, i like that ^^
[02:27] <holstein> that'll work :)
[02:28] <holstein> select it from the bios
[02:28] <the_ant> boot from your second hdd to run xubuntu installer.
[02:28] <holstein> boot, install to the other one
[02:28] <holstein> Xenicide: do you have 2 hard drives?
[02:28] <the_ant> ^^ yeah true.
[02:28] <holstein> in the machine?
[02:29] <Xenicide> my second got space but another filesystem so if possile i rather not use that. Partioning i know how to use.
[02:29] <holstein> Xenicide: that is literally the only way
[02:29] <the_ant> make sure you not touch your backup partition when installing xubuntu.
[02:29] <the_ant> what filesystem?
[02:29] <holstein> move all the data to one drive, format the other fat32... unetbootin the iso on it, and move the data back over onto it
[02:30] <holstein> Xenicide: you have limited options here
[02:30] <holstein> puppy will do what you are looking for, but its not quite the same
[02:30] <the_ant> i think it's the only way.
[02:31] <holstein> if you want a modern distro, you'll need to make some decisions there
[02:31] <TVasEyes> holstein: and buy RAM.
[02:31] <the_ant> i assume you have no cdrom, no usb boot, no network.
[02:31] <holstein> hehe
[02:31] <holstein> yeah, network boot is still an option potentially
[02:32] <Xenicide> holstein: ps3
[02:32] <holstein> Xenicide: ?
[02:32] <the_ant> Xenicide: what?
[02:32] <holstein> play station 3?
[02:32] <Xenicide> holstein: that was for the_ant
[02:32] <holstein> what is ps3?
[02:32] <holstein> still .. whats ps3?
[02:35] <the_ant> ps3 filesystem?
[02:37] <Xenicide> yes its palystaion 3, windows cant read it so it has to use a special file system (like fat, ntfs, or ext4)
[02:37] <the_ant> is it possible to resize yout ps3 hdd or partition?
[02:38] <Xenicide> the_ant: i think so. Then i plug it in with a USB device
[02:39] <Xenicide> If ther is a will, there is a way... so i just have to find a way
[02:42] <the_ant> i never try with ps3 partition but you may try paragon partition manager to do it.
[02:44] <Xenicide> the_ant: never would  or have? what is pragon?
[02:45] <holstein> http://www.partition-manager.com/
[02:45] <holstein> i personally ust http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[02:45] <holstein> thers a parted magic install on there
[02:46] <holstein> all linux live CD generally have some partition manager though
[02:48] <the_ant> holstein: he use windows, and can't boot from CD.
[02:49] <holstein> yeah, im just saying what i use, and its free
[02:49] <Xenicide> holstein: the first link just seemed like a partion program, thed other seemed cd impended.
[02:50] <holstein> if you spend $40 on software, you might as well get a USB stick, or something
[02:52] <the_ant> there's free version for that job http://www.paragon-software.com/home/pm-express/download.html
[02:52] <holstein> sweet!
[02:52] <holstein> ill have to bookmark that for later
[02:57] <Xenicide> holstein: if i spent $2000 usd i woldnt have this problem
[02:58] <holstein> ?
[02:58] <holstein> if you spend $40
[02:58] <holstein> i got a USB cd rom drive the other day for $20 with lightscribe
[02:59] <holstein> i literally trip over CDrom drives i would give you if you were here
[02:59] <holstein> you dont need $$ necessarily, though it wouldnt hurt
[03:01] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: if you've nowhere to backup to, how about using Google documents as temp storage? (you get ~8G I think)
[03:02] <Xenicide> getting an USB is easy (my neighbor got one), but then i need by bios to boot from usb.
[03:02] <holstein> yup, and dropbox... sparkleshare.. mediafire
[03:04] <the_ant> buy internal CDRW burn the ISO and boot from it. it's simple if you spent $
[03:07] <Xenicide> TVasEyes: I dont need backup.. iam not about safety, for example i neither got a firewall or virus protection.
[03:07]  * TVasEyes shakes head
[03:08] <holstein> all hard drives fail
[03:09] <TVasEyes> and you said you had content which you wanted to keep..
[03:10] <the_ant> TVasEyes: it was playstation3 partition.
[03:11] <TVasEyes> ah
[03:12] <Xenicide> the_ant: yes if you want it simple... but i youre chap you only want the system you have at the moment... because it can be done.
[03:13] <Xenicide> TVasEyes: yes i have content i want to keep (like movies and music, but i its not a problem if i loose it)
[03:14] <the_ant> Xenicide: i just kidding :-p have you try the method i said before?
[03:14] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: backup to the cloud, then follow the recipe given by the_ant?
[03:16] <TVasEyes> anyway, good luck with it all.
[03:16] <the_ant> TVasEyes: if you're in my place, backup to cloud will take week.
[03:17] <TVasEyes> the_ant: yes, but wouldn't need to be full backup, only the really important stuff, compressed & encrypted.
[03:19] <TVasEyes> the_ant: at any rate, Xenicide will have to make some hard decisions.
[03:19] <the_ant> TVasEyes: yap. it's true.
[03:21] <Xenicide> Nope both is wrong.. I just want it work with what i have.
[03:23] <the_ant> Xenicide: limitation. it make us creative. :-D
[03:29] <Xenicide> the_ant: Easy is not always better. If there is a way for it to work, iam going to write a guide about it. Because information about linux is more or less non-existence.
[03:34] <the_ant> Xenicide: if there is the easy way why take the hard way?
[03:35] <the_ant> use good wah at the good time
[03:35] <the_ant> way
[03:37] <Xenicide> the_ant: if everyone wanted the easy way, nobody would use linux.
[03:38] <the_ant> linux is alternative.
[03:39] <the_ant> except you want to learn it.learning is not always easy.
[03:43] <the_ant> linux is not the hard way.
[03:48] <Xenicide> the_ant: Altenative? Maybe. Yes, learing can be hard, i know by trying to learn C++. On linux it depends if you have to use the command? (like cmd) because thats hard
[03:59] <Paimun> god damn it
[03:59] <Paimun> xubuntu doesn't think I have any audio hardware AGAIN
[04:00] <the_ant> Paimun, that's i mean the hard way.
[04:01] <Paimun> I think you left out a word
[04:01] <the_ant> whats that?
[04:02] <Paimun> "that's i mean the hard way"
[04:02] <Paimun> does not make sense
[04:03] <Xenicide> that's what i mean with the hard way.?
[04:04] <Xenicide> or is the hard way.
[04:05] <the_ant> (doh) i got typo again.
[04:05] <dnoir> hi I am a newbie to xubuntu and wondering how to auto login on 11.10
[04:10] <TVasEyes> dnoir: https://we.riseup.net/refeman+tech-stuff/xubuntu-setup#activate-automatic-login
[04:15] <Xenicide> dnoir: why not change to kdm?
[04:15] <dnoir> thanks tvaseyes will look into it now
[04:15] <Xenicide> dnoir: check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1864527&page=2
[04:22] <dnoir> I am happy to change to kdm, but never used linux / code / terminal stuff before so figuring it out as i go. tvaseyes solution gave me following response -> bash: /etc/gdm/custom.conf: No such file or directory
[04:24] <TVasEyes> dnoir: Xenicide's link might do it for you, otherwise google 'xubuntu "automatic login"', there'll be loads of different recipes, depending on which desktop and login manager you use.
[04:27] <dnoir> thanks but not sure I have the basic skills necessary, I tried typing [SeatDefaults] into the terminal and pressing enter but it said no command, perhaps I need to learn basic terminal code before I hassle you guys further
[04:30] <TVasEyes> dnoir: [SeatDefaults] is a section in file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[04:31] <TVasEyes> you will need to edit this file (if you use lightdm for login), and you need to do this using sudo becuase you require privilege.
[04:32] <dnoir> i tried typing "sudo autologin-user=dnoir" and lots of text came up so perhaps I am getting somewhere
[04:32] <TVasEyes> if you have no experience, familiarise yourself with an editor of choice first.
[04:32] <Xenicide> From what i read TVasEyes is correct.An alternative to Alin's answer is to create a file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and add the following content:
[04:32] <Xenicide> [SeatDefaults]
[04:32] <Xenicide> autologin-user=<YOUR USER>
[04:32] <Xenicide> autologin-user-timeout=0
[04:32] <Xenicide> user-session=ubuntu
[04:32] <Xenicide> greeter-session=unity-greeter
[04:32] <Xenicide> Next time you start, auto-login should work like expected.
[04:33] <Xenicide> Or rather: http://askubuntu.com/questions/51086/how-do-i-enable-auto-login-with-lightdm
[04:37] <jasonsrus2007> just testing irssi
[04:37] <dnoir> Sorry think I am out of my depth here, thanks for your help tho, I am going to watch some terminal tutorials on youtube
[04:38] <TVasEyes> dnoir: ;)
[04:38] <jasonsrus2007> dnoir > what are you having problems with?
[04:54] <Xenicide> Did jason just asked a question and then just leaved?
[04:56] <dnoir> in the terminal i typed "pwd" and pressed enter it said my directory was "/home/dnoir" so how do I "create a file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf"
[04:57] <TVasEyes> dnoir: you need to use an editor, there are a number of different ones, I like using vi.
[04:59] <TVasEyes> create the file in your home directory, when it's complete copy it to the correct directory. want to do it now?
[05:01] <TVasEyes> dnoir: ?
[05:01] <dnoir> how do I use the vi editor
[05:02] <TVasEyes> ok, type vi lightdm.conf <enter>
[05:02] <TVasEyes> then i to go into insert mode.
[05:02] <dnoir> ok done it says "lightdm" [new file]
[05:02] <Xenicide> A genaral question: Why does an OS need to be installed during boot?
[05:03] <TVasEyes> now i to get insert mode
[05:03] <TVasEyes> so you can enter text into the new file.
[05:04] <holstein> Xenicide: during boot?
[05:04] <holstein> it doesnt
[05:04] <holstein> it needs to be installed if you want it installed
[05:04] <dnoir> does that just mean pressing insert on the key board?
[05:05] <TVasEyes> dnoir: no, the i key, the legend at the bottom should change
[05:07] <TVasEyes> dnoir: do you see --insert at the bottom of your window?
[05:09] <dnoir> no sorry I pressed the i key but nothing happened
[05:10] <TVasEyes> dnoir: hm, after you start vi <filename>, when you press i you will get into insert mode.
[05:10] <TVasEyes> can you type and see the text entered?
[05:11] <dnoir> nope sorry
[05:12] <holstein> i still use nano
[05:12] <TVasEyes> dnoir: oh dear.  can you exit by typing :q<enter> ?
[05:12] <Xenicide> holstein: Yes or you wouldnt have to restart to install an OS.
[05:12] <dnoir> oh yes after I press i I can insert text sorry
[05:12] <TVasEyes> holstein: never used nano.
[05:13] <holstein> its just a simple editor... nothing like vi... but i use it for banging out something simple in the CLI
[05:13] <TVasEyes> dnoir: good.  no, what you type must be exact.  I'll paste the lines from my lightdm.conf one by one.
[05:14] <TVasEyes> dnoir: first line reads:  [SeatDefaults]
[05:14] <TVasEyes> then enter to get to second line
[05:15] <holstein> Xenicide: yeah, you'll need to restart at some point to change operating systems, at least natively
[05:15] <dnoir> ok
[05:15] <TVasEyes> the next two lines will be from a forum because I don't do auto login
[05:15] <TVasEyes> line 2:  autologin-user-timeout=0
[05:15] <TVasEyes> then enter
[05:16] <TVasEyes> line 3:  autologin-session=lightdm-autologin
[05:16] <TVasEyes> enter again
[05:17] <TVasEyes> the next line you'll need to know whether you like xfce desktop or standard ubuntu, here's mine for xfce
[05:17] <TVasEyes> line 4:  user-session=xfce
[05:17] <TVasEyes> change xfce to ubuntu if necessary, then enter
[05:17] <Xenicide> holstein: yes to change, but i meant installing.
[05:18] <TVasEyes> dnoir: you still with it?
[05:18] <holstein> Xenicide: you'll need a way to use the install media... you have several options to explore though
[05:18] <holstein> network boot, and unetbootin from that 2nd hard drive
[05:18] <holstein> or, just take it to another machine
[05:18] <holstein> Xenicide: i wouldnt expect to find the magic loop-hole
[05:19] <holstein> if you want to install the OS, you'll need to do just that
[05:19] <dnoir> yes i am following everything
[05:19] <TVasEyes> cool, next line:  greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[05:19] <dnoir> just had to restart once cause I made a mistake
[05:20] <Xenicide> holstein: network boot is boot, unetbootin is boot, live CD is still boot. So why all the booting?
[05:20] <TVasEyes> vi isn't the friendliest of editors, sorry  to inflict it on you. :-)
[05:20] <holstein> Xenicide: you need to boot the install media if you want to install
[05:21] <holstein> you are booting whatever OS you are in now, and something was booted to install that OS
[05:21] <dnoir> thats cool i have never done this stuff before so very interested anyway
[05:21] <dnoir> i press enter after ...greeter
[05:21] <TVasEyes> dnoir: when you've enter all five lines exactly as shown, press <Escape> key once to get out of insert mode.
[05:22] <TVasEyes> yes, enter after each line.
[05:22] <dnoir> ok pressed esc
[05:23] <TVasEyes> ok, now type : (that's a colon) followed by wq and enter (: makes vi expect a command, w for write file, q for quit)
[05:23] <holstein> Xenicide: did you try wubi?
[05:23] <holstein> seems like that is just the thing for you
[05:24] <TVasEyes> dnoir: you should now be back in the shell / terminal program and see your prompt.
[05:24] <dnoir> do i type wq then enter or w <enter> the q?
[05:24] <TVasEyes> type :wq<enter>
[05:25] <Xenicide> holsein: but why boot to install? For example: If i want to install a program i just install and then start it without rebooting. Wubi? Yes but there is some boot menu that i cant find any information att all.
[05:25] <dnoir> sorry it said command not found
[05:26] <holstein> Xenicide: you want a wubi
[05:26] <TVasEyes> dnoir: are you still in vi? if yes, press <Escape>, then :wq<Enter>
[05:26] <holstein> Xenicide: mostly because of the changes on the hard drive... partitioning for example
[05:27] <dnoir> actually i may have already done the correct command in vi cause I am back in the terminal, think I miss read your instructions, lets assume I did it correct and proceed
[05:28] <TVasEyes> dnoir: ok, now if you do ls<Enter> (ls is used to list the files in the current directory) you should see the newly created file
[05:28] <holstein> Xenicide: when you install an application, that is into the already booted OS
[05:28] <dnoir> ls
[05:29] <TVasEyes> dnoir: yes, ls for LiSt
[05:29] <dnoir> yes there is a lightdm.conf file :)
[05:30] <TVasEyes> cool,  now type cat lightdm.conf<Enter> and the file contents will be printed to the console,
[05:30] <Xenicide> holstein: partitioning is easy. During wubi install my comp hangs, when i choose another option i got "input sigan out of range"
[05:30] <TVasEyes> this will allow you to double-check there are no typo's.
[05:30] <TVasEyes> it's important that there are no typo's.
[05:31] <holstein> Xenicide: i didnt imply it was challenging to partition, but partitioning a hard drive that is running an OS can be challening
[05:31] <holstein> WUBI is the way to go for what you are dealing with
[05:31] <holstein> i would work on what that error is
[05:31] <holstein> try the 10.04 version
[05:31] <holstein> the LTS
[05:32] <holstein> Xenicide: you'll *never* figure out how to install xubuntu into a hard drive you are booted into
[05:33] <TVasEyes> dnoir: do you see the file's contents?
[05:33] <holstein> you can do some things like that maybe by 'nesting' puppy linux or knoppix...
[05:33] <Xenicide> holstein: Is it easy to uppgrade from 10.04 to 11.10 within the OS?
[05:33] <dnoir> yes the only difference is i did not use capitals in [seatdefaults] should i corrct that?
[05:33] <holstein> Xenicide: i personally wouldnt
[05:34] <holstein> i would wait for 12.04... or just run 10.04 on that hardware
[05:34] <TVasEyes> dnoir: yes, must be exactly like shown, including capitalisation.
[05:34] <holstein> you would need to upgrade to 10.10, then 11.04.. so on..
[05:34] <holstein> you can jump right from 10.04 to 12.04.. but i wouldnt with those specs
[05:35] <dnoir> do I type vi lightdm.conf again to edit text in vi?
[05:35] <TVasEyes> dnoir: to correct (this will be fun), start vi again with the filename, ie vi lightdm.conf<Enter>
[05:36] <dnoir> done sorry I am a city planner not a programmer
[05:36] <TVasEyes> dnoir: then move your cursor over the the s in seatdefaults, and press r (which means replace) followed by <Shift>s to get the caital.
[05:36] <TVasEyes> capital*
[05:37] <TVasEyes> dnoir: you should see the s having changed to S.
[05:38] <TVasEyes> dnoir:  ok?
[05:39] <dnoir> yes i have replaced the text correctly although I accidently inserted a black line above the text, hope that doesn't matter
[05:39] <dnoir> i mean a blank line
[05:40] <dnoir> do I type :wq again?
[05:40] <TVasEyes> dnoir: shouldn't matter, but to remove it you can (with your cursor on the empty line) type dd
[05:40] <Xenicide> holstein: Maybe its my fault thinking linux will always be as advanced as dos.
[05:40] <Xenicide> Is there a big difference between 10.04 too 10.10 and 11.04?
[05:40] <TVasEyes> dnoir: have you replace the D in SeatDefaults?
[05:41] <dnoir> yes
[05:41] <TVasEyes> ok, yes, :wq<Enter>
[05:41] <dnoir> removed the lines as well
[05:41] <dnoir> great done
[05:41] <TVasEyes> dnoir: again, cat lightdm.conf to see and verify that all is as it should.
[05:42] <dnoir> yep looks good to me
[05:43] <TVasEyes> dnoir: cool, now all that remains is getting the file to its place, the command is: sudo cp lightdm.conf /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[05:43] <TVasEyes> cp is for CoPy
[05:46] <dnoir> ok it asked for my password which I typed and pressed enter
[05:46] <TVasEyes> dnoir: now verify that everything went well:  ls /etc/lightdm  to see the file in the directory (or folder if you come from Windows)
[05:47] <dnoir> ok it responded with 4 lines of text
[05:47] <dnoir> lightdm.conf
[05:47] <dnoir> lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[05:48] <dnoir> lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf
[05:48] <dnoir> user.conf
[05:48] <TVasEyes> dnoir: looks ok, after rebooting autologin should come into force.
[05:50] <dnoir> great thanks tvaseyes, my first foray into ubuntu coding has been fun, will report back
[05:50] <TVasEyes> dnoir: see you then.
[06:13] <dnoir> thanks tvaseyes everything seems to be working well, i also figured out how to remove the xscreensaver package with synaptic, so I don't have that login either
[06:14] <TVasEyes> dnoir: glad to hear, hope you'll get to like GNU/Linux.
[06:16] <dnoir> yeh i already like customising things, I got a netbook which had crappy windows software so I tried meego for a while, now I am trying xubuntu and gonna switch my desktop to ubuntu also
[06:19] <TVasEyes> dnoir: on a personal note, password/logins do have a purpose, especially if it's a netbook/laptop which you might leave laying around where others can access them.
[06:22] <dnoir> I am not too worried about that, nothing overly valuable on my netbook, will keep that in mind for my desktop tho
[06:25] <TVasEyes> dnoir: ok, another tip, on the command-line if you're looking for some way to do something, use apropos, eg. apropos editor will show commands relating to editors, then use man <name-of-program> to find out more, start with man man. ;)
[06:30] <Xenicide> Is passwords not for quick protection, or is linux more secure than windows?
[06:31] <dnoir> looks like i got some reading to do;) thanks again!
[06:33] <TVasEyes> Xenicide: there are CD's which will remove existing Windows passwords to allow login without, I don't know of anything like that for *NIX.
[06:38] <Xenicide> TVasEyes: I didnt know that. But i do have experience getting acess to a win7 comp by using linux.
[06:41] <atruno> both linux and windows have pros and cons all the pros about windows usually require the purchase of software.  alot of its open source ports don't render as nicely.
[06:42] <atruno> is anyone here using nautilus in xubuntu ?
[06:44] <TVasEyes> atruno: not me,sorry.
[06:44] <atruno> you'd have to disable rescue mode in your kernels on linux to have better security.
[06:44] <TVasEyes> atruno: & encrpyt the partitions which matter.
[06:44] <TVasEyes> encrypt*
[06:45] <atruno> does that mess things up when you install a newer version ?  does not also involve password prompt per partition on boot ?
[06:48] <TVasEyes> atruno: not sure about newer version, am fairly new to Xubuntu and the Ubuntu way is very different from, say, slackware.  you'd use the same password/key for all, I would have thought.
[06:53] <TVasEyes> atruno: do you mount all your partitions at boot time?
[06:54] <atruno> only when i have encryped under other linux.  it prompted me for pass which was a pain.
[06:55] <TVasEyes> atruno: may be worth it for laptops/netbooks.
[06:55] <atruno> true
[06:56] <atruno> i had a laptop stolen from me.  it had my dads loaned american express in a odt file.
[06:57] <TVasEyes> I think you can get PCMCIA cards which take care of the business.
[10:08] <Linze> How can i keep my toolbar at the buutom
[10:09] <Linze> Somewere in the preference
[10:44] <TheSheep> Linze: toolbar?
[10:44] <TheSheep> Linze: buutom?
[10:45] <TheSheep> Linze: can you clarify?
[10:46] <Linze> TheSheep,Good morning
[10:46] <Linze> Sorry I already found
[10:47] <Linze> Iam just new to ubuntu cq linux
[10:47] <Linze> But looks very oke
[10:47] <Linze> Can i change the wallpaper in what ever i want?
[10:49] <TheSheep> sure, in settings->desktop
[10:49] <TheSheep> just click on the plus below the list
[10:50] <Linze> ok
[10:53] <Linze> I `ve another question
[10:54] <Linze> I installed sollarium,but can`t start it up
[10:54] <Linze> Has it something to do with "session and startup"
[10:54] <TheSheep> what is sollarium?
[10:55] <Linze> sientific,starprogram
[10:55] <TheSheep> what is the error message you get?
[10:56] <Linze> don`t know what happend just now,but my screen is frozen
[11:00] <Linze> Well after the reboot I can start up stellarium
[13:41] <Lectus> Hi! Where can I submit bugs to Xubuntu dev team? I think I found one.
[17:16] <Singap_Cougar> hello everybory
[17:17] <diskroll> hello
[17:49] <PingJocky> hello rom
[18:30] <popsch> is there a cli command that returns the current workspace number?
[19:16] <ToZ> popsch, see: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=3030
[19:55] <Singap_Cougar> hello
[19:55] <Singap_Cougar> hello everybory
[19:56] <Singap_Cougar> coul you help me. does anibody know how sync by bluetooth nokia symbian s 60 to xubuntu?
[21:41] <Crash_O-D> wheni hook laptop to tv via hdmi i get video but no sound, i changed sound under mixer to use hda ati hdmi (alsa mixer) nothing, even tried playback: rv710/730 digital stero (hdmi) (pulseAudio Mixer) nothing changed to
[21:46] <holstein> Crash_O-D: you can try installing pavucontrol
[21:46] <holstein> that could just *never* work
[21:48] <Crash_O-D> will try. under ubuntu it worked but not under x
[21:49] <holstein> Crash_O-D: OH... thats good
[21:49] <holstein> you just have to find out what you need to add then
[21:49] <holstein> was it the same version?
[21:49] <holstein> xubuntu and ubuntu 11.10?
[21:50] <Crash_O-D> yes, but under ubuntu i needed not extra work
[21:50] <holstein> Crash_O-D: install ubuntu
[21:51] <holstein> then, install xfce
[21:51] <holstein> otherwise, you'll need to look and see what you'll need to add to xubuntu
[21:51] <Crash_O-D> well i installed xubuntu why i need to figure sound
[21:51] <holstein> xGrind: ?
[21:51] <holstein> xGrind: sorry
[21:51] <holstein> Crash_O-D: ?
[21:52] <Crash_O-D> ** (pavucontrol:7441): DEBUG: Error reading config file /home/crash/.config/pavucontrol.ini: No such file or directory
[21:52] <Crash_O-D> ** (pavucontrol:7441): DEBUG: Failed to initialize device manager extension: No such extension
[21:52] <holstein> Crash_O-D: maybe you dont have pulseaudio and thats the issue
[21:52] <holstein> i forget if xubuntu has pulse by default
[21:53] <Crash_O-D> it did not i had to install it
[21:53] <holstein> ok, so theres probably something else fiddly then
[21:53] <holstein> i would just install ubuntu, and install xfce
[21:57] <Crash_O-D> lol after setting up all i did would take days to get were i am
[21:57] <holstein> sure
[21:57] <holstein> but with audio :)
[21:57] <holstein> you can save your /home
[21:57] <Crash_O-D> i have comp speakers just not via hdmi
[21:58] <holstein> anyways, you *can* figure it out
[21:58] <holstein> its going to be challenging though
[21:58] <holstein> you can try installing the uubntu-desktop metapackage
[21:59] <holstein> at least select it, and look at what all wants to be pulled in
[22:01] <Crash_O-D> how i get that package
[22:01] <holstein> ubuntu-desktop?
[22:01] <holstein> its a meta-package
[22:02] <holstein> it'll want to pull in a bunch of stuff
[22:02] <Crash_O-D> oh okay never mind
[22:02] <Crash_O-D> on that
[22:02] <holstein> i would open synaptic, search it, and select it
[22:02] <holstein> look and see what all wants to be pulled in
[22:02] <holstein> the answer should be one of those packages
[22:03] <Crash_O-D> okay thanks
[22:03] <yakeb> Hi all,  I am attempting to install xubuntu to a usb flash drive, as my hard drive took a dive.. I was wondering if a.)  this is even possible and b..) there are any additional steps in need to take during install-as it appears to be stuck on a black screen with a spinning circle.
[22:03] <holstein> yakeb: i would do it just like normal
[22:03] <holstein> i would want to see xubuntu running live on the system *before* installing
[22:04] <yakeb> Also,  I know how to make a bootable flash drive for install, but I am trying to do a complete install to flash drive.
[22:04] <holstein> i would install selecting the USB drive as the destination in the installer
[22:04] <holstein> GRUB will go there, and all should be as normal
[22:05] <yakeb> The system had xubuntu on it before and it boots into the livecd and the live usb flash drive just fine.
[22:05] <holstein> cool
[22:05] <holstein> so, you just select the USB as the destination
[22:06] <holstein> i assume the 'dead' hard drive is out?
[22:07] <yakeb> I selected the usb drive as the destination and everything seemed fine but I think it is stuck now, it has been on a black screen with a spinning circle for an hour or longer.  Perhaps this is normally, though I don't recall an install taking this long in the past.
[22:07] <holstein> it?
[22:07] <holstein> the installer?
[22:08] <holstein> it'll take as long as it takes to write to the USB
[22:08] <holstein> if its slower, it'll take longer
[22:08] <yakeb> Yes I pulled out the old hard drive before running the install.
[22:08] <yakeb> Toshiba a205 series,  not new but not ancient.
[22:09] <holstein> wont matter, as long as it boots USB, or you use something like plop
[22:09] <yakeb> Bios supports usb boot
[22:09] <yakeb> What's plop?
[22:10] <holstein> a way to boot USB from CD when the bios *doesnt* support that
[22:11] <yakeb> It's usb 2.0 bus-I would think it would be faster writing to flash than to an satanic drive, perhaps I'm mistaken.
[22:11] <yakeb> *sata.
[22:13] <yakeb> Hey,  thanks for all your input... I guess I'll just wait a while longer and see what happens.
[23:21] <w30> Are any menu editors available for xfce4 or is there an alacarte deb available without installing unity, gnome, and compiz?
[23:22] <holstein> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[23:23] <holstein> w30: looks like LXMenuEditor works as well
[23:27] <w30> holstein, where did you find that at? putting LXMenuEditor in search in Synaptic finds nothing.
[23:31] <w30> holstein, nevermind, i see your url now.
[23:37] <w30> holstein, thanks, I will install that and see how it works.