[00:00] <Stronze> i been thinking of doing a chain of wifi repeaters from here to starbucks if my neighbor wises up and password protects
[00:00] <BarkingFish> It basically transmits free wifi across our estate, and there's about 12 others
[00:00] <BluesKaj> BBL
[00:00] <Stronze> brb
[00:00] <BarkingFish> okies
[00:07] <BarkingFish> Welcome back, Stronze :)
[00:07] <Stronze> no sound on computer
[00:07] <BarkingFish> Not yet, there won't be...
[00:08] <BarkingFish> I need you to go back into systemsettings for me, multimedia, then Phonon
[00:10] <Stronze> one moment, it keeps opening apps in on tv and my brother is playing skyrim while i do this
[00:10] <Tech-1> tellem to chill till your done
[00:10] <Stronze> and sadly gets upset im doing this yet i was doing this before he started playing skyrim :P
[00:12] <BarkingFish> tell him to get the [censored by the netfaeries] off the TV until you're done :P
[00:12] <Stronze> i dont mind as long as he doesnt get lippy since its my tv and my 360
[00:12] <BarkingFish> Right
[00:12] <Stronze> wow got alot of options in phonon/video
[00:13] <BarkingFish> Yes, this is what we wanted :)
[00:13] <BarkingFish> What is your top option in the Audio notifications column?
[00:13] <Stronze> and i got my nephew tossing lil plastic balls over me and the computer at the sliding glass door blinds and laughing
[00:13] <BarkingFish> er.. Audio playback, not audio notifications :P
[00:14] <BarkingFish> You should see one particular sound device at the very top of your list.
[00:14] <BarkingFish> Mine says HDA Intel (Analog ALC880)
[00:14] <Stronze> hda intel (alc268 analog)
[00:14] <Stronze> i clicked audio playback and list is same and same order
[00:15] <BarkingFish> right, click on the top one in that list, and click the Test button.
[00:16] <BarkingFish> do you hear any sound?
[00:18] <Stronze> sorry, was taking screenshot of options and couldnt figure out why i couldnt find screenshot app
[00:20] <BarkingFish> no problem :)
[00:20] <BarkingFish> So as I say, if you click the first device in that list and hit test, do you hear any sound?
[00:20] <Stronze> was it pastebin for showing images?
[00:20] <BarkingFish> imagebin
[00:20] <BarkingFish> or you can use imgur.com - either is good
[00:23] <Stronze> http://imagebin.org/188133
[00:23] <Stronze> wierd, tv is no longer showing anything
[00:23] <Stronze> i switched over and its black
[00:24] <Stronze> nm, i jiggled the cable
[00:24] <BarkingFish> :P
[00:25] <BarkingFish> yep :) it's there...
[00:25] <BarkingFish> Right, Stronze - in that list, Under audio playback, can you click Video please - then in the right window, click HDA Intel - ALC268 Digital (HDMI Audio output)
[00:26] <Stronze> i tested all and no sound on laptop or tv
[00:26] <BarkingFish> you may be missing a decent backend then
[00:26] <BarkingFish> Before you do anything else, just click the Backend tab above the window we're working on
[00:26] <BarkingFish> tell me if there's anything in that list
[00:27] <Stronze> gstreamer and xine
[00:27] <BarkingFish> which is top?
[00:27] <Stronze> gstreamer
[00:27] <BarkingFish> hm. It should be working then.
[00:27] <BarkingFish> Just a thought, click your kmix icon in the system tray please :)
[00:27] <Tech-1> maybe its muted in alsamixer ?
[00:27] <BarkingFish> just getting there, Tech-1  :)
[00:28] <Tech-1> Yeah
[00:28] <BarkingFish> when your volume control opens, Stronze - click the Mixer button, and you should get a full bank mixer which pops up
[00:29] <Stronze> only headphone was muted
[00:29] <Stronze> mic boost is turned all the way down
[00:30] <BarkingFish> yeah, there are other channels which you may need to view, which you need to set up - mine is like this: http://imagebin.org/188139
[00:30] <BarkingFish> Click Settings in the mixer, and click Configure Channels
[00:31] <BarkingFish> In the window which pops up, the right side shows you what you already have in your mixer, the left is what's available
[00:32] <BarkingFish> (If I'm going too fast, tell me to slow down :) )
[00:32] <Stronze> right side ia masrer, pcm,headphone and mic boost
[00:33] <Stronze> im slow cuz some how i mananged to stop my task bar from showing what windows i have open and i gotta play alt tab
[00:34] <BarkingFish> OK.  From the left side, I want you to drag over - Front - Digital - and Automute Mode  - and place them on the right please :)
[00:34] <Stronze> it was an accidwently right left clicha nd poof my apps no longer show there
[00:34] <Stronze> i soo messed that sentence up
[00:34] <BarkingFish> don't worry.  I didn't speak English until 8 years ago :D  Mine was worse than that, so I can understand you :)
[00:34] <BarkingFish> Well not that well, anyway :)
[00:35] <Stronze> digital and auto mute moved
[00:35] <Stronze> i see no front
[00:35] <Stronze> lol
[00:35] <Stronze> its nice now since i assumed you was british
[00:35] <Stronze> didnt have a clue your not native english
[00:35] <BarkingFish> I'm naturalised British, born in Iceland though
[00:35] <Stronze> oh nice
[00:35] <Tech-1> hard language
[00:36] <BarkingFish> Not if you were born there :P
[00:36] <Tech-1> Yeah
[00:36] <Tech-1> but atleast your gov threw out the wicked bankers
[00:36] <BarkingFish> Anyway, so - Your kmix now has digital in it, and also Automute.
[00:36] <Stronze> you wanted front moved right to left but i dont havea  front option
[00:36] <BarkingFish> Stronze: no problem
[00:36] <Stronze> next step?
[00:37] <BarkingFish> I forgot, front is usually on Desktop card where they have sockets on the front of the machine
[00:37] <Stronze> ah
[00:37] <BarkingFish> Click ok in the configure channels, and they'll appear in Kmix
[00:37] <BarkingFish> On the right of kmix, you'll now see an automute mode - is it disabled or enabled?
[00:37] <Stronze> disabled
[00:37] <BarkingFish> good
[00:38] <BarkingFish> and the volume control on digital - is it turned up or down?
[00:38] <Stronze> digital was half and i moved it full and auto mute went enabled and i put it back disabled
[00:38] <BarkingFish> Ok
[00:38] <BarkingFish> Now - do any of those channels show up now as muted?
[00:39] <Stronze> never did
[00:39] <Stronze> well headphones was
[00:39] <Stronze> ealier
[00:39] <BarkingFish> right.  Then why you have no sound to me, is a complete and utter mystery.
[00:39] <Stronze> earlier*
[00:39] <BarkingFish> You should have sound everywhere.
[00:39] <Stronze> i have a movie playing in the background
[00:39] <Stronze> no sound
[00:40] <BarkingFish> Is the volume turned up on all the channels?
[00:40] <Stronze> yep
[00:40] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[00:40] <Tech-1> does he have to go to sound properties in players and make sound alsa since they were pule to start with ?, just wondering
[00:41] <BarkingFish> He shouldn't, Tech-1 - I didn't.
[00:41] <Tech-1> weird
[00:41] <BarkingFish> I'm using an ALC card too and it wasn't this difficult.
[00:41] <Tech-1> huh, maybe another roboot may do it
[00:41] <BarkingFish> Stronze: could you just do one more thing for me please?
[00:42] <Stronze> sure as long as it doesnt involve dollar bills and dancing
[00:42] <Tech-1> lol
[00:42] <BarkingFish> In the Phonon window, can you click "Show advanced devices" under the box with the Audio playback hoodad in it?
[00:43] <BarkingFish> You will see some other devices show up in your list to the right
[00:43] <Stronze> defualt and some musical note with no words describing it
[00:43] <Stronze> default*
[00:44] <Stronze> sorry default was already there
[00:44] <BarkingFish> yep - do you see one which has something like (IEC958/S-PDIF) after it?
[00:45] <Stronze> yes
[00:45] <BarkingFish> wonderful.  Could you click Video on the Left side under Audio playback, then click the IEC958 entry, and use Prefer to move it to the top of the list please?
[00:46] <BarkingFish> Oh crud.
[00:46] <Stronze> #gm done
[00:47] <BarkingFish> I just had a network shutdown notification on my cellphone from Virgin Wifi...
[00:47] <Stronze> oh ho
[00:48] <BarkingFish> "Hi - this is Annie at VM network control, Milton Keynes - We're about to close the Wifi network in MK5 and MK6 due to technical issues - Maintenance will last until 2AM GMT - Apologies for the loss of your service, we'll be back soon."
[00:48] <Stronze> :/
[00:48] <BarkingFish> Sent at 12.46AM
[00:49] <BarkingFish> so I'd better go, or I'll be getting DC'd.  BluesKaj - if you're about, can you take over on this please?
[00:49] <Stronze> yeah barkingfish broke my sound is now dining and ditching
[00:49] <BarkingFish> If not, I'll catch you tomorrow if you're about. I'm sorry I've not been able to get you fully working tonight, Stronze - it will get sorted, trust me.
[00:49] <Stronze> :P
[00:50] <Stronze> if its still broke, ill be around but this is a good chance to havea  coffin nail
[00:50] <BarkingFish> I can't help ditching, Stronze - I have to go with what Virgin tell me, sadly. God rule the day they get the cable working here :)
[00:50] <BarkingFish> I'll be running around and blowing a trumpet :)
[00:51] <BarkingFish> Right guys, just had the 2 minute warning, so I'd better go.
[00:51] <BarkingFish> Sorry Stronze - hope you get sorted out :(
[00:51] <BarkingFish> Bye guys...
[00:57] <Stronze> anyone else know how to help?
[01:02] <Tech-1> all i could advise is to reboot again to see if it takes
[01:02] <Stronze> sure
[01:02] <Tech-1> thats about it for me
[01:08] <Stronze> no sound still
[01:10] <Stronze> anyone know how to get app tabs back in task bar?
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Stronze, open a terminal, lspci -v | grep -A7 -i "audio" . pastebin the output pls.
[02:50] <BluesKaj> Stronze, , if you feel like tackling this tomorrow, Ill be around for awhile after 4pm EST ...I have a few ideas that might work
[02:51] <gfrog> hello, there, is there anybody familiar with kdialog? when I use kdialog to send a passivepop message, it shows a gnome-like popup msg in KDE env, so strange. Could anybody give me some advice to troubleshoot this problem?
[02:53] <merlin1991> hey partitionmanager gives me a headache, I'm trying to resize a primary partition (which contains 2 extended ones) to occupy unallocated space left from it
[02:53] <merlin1991> but it just fails with couldn't set geometry for partition /dev/something while trying to resize/move it
[02:54] <merlin1991> I did not boot from there (running the live cd) and nothing is munted
[02:58] <gfrog> merlin1991: I think you should check the mound partition in your running os (the live cd) with cmd 'mount' to make sure no hard disk is used first.
[02:58] <merlin1991> as I said, nothing is mounted
[03:56] <Free_Bullets> has anyone encountered a problem where dolphin stops remembering window size?
[03:56] <Free_Bullets> it doesn't remember column widths either, but I don't think it ever did that, so it might be a "feature"
[05:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Hello everyone
[05:35] <OerHeks> great, Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0df6:003f Sitecom WL-608 Wireless USB Adapter 54g works OOTB
[05:53] <zorobabel> for the life of me I can't get my 3g modem to work
[07:20] <hans_> Joit_: java
[07:20] <hans_> Joit_: #java
[07:20] <hans_> #java
[07:20] <Joit_> ok
[07:21] <Joit_> hans_:  i need a invitation
[07:21] <Joit_> whats up btw
[07:21] <OerHeks> try ##java :-)
[07:21] <Joit_> ty oer
[07:21] <hans_> ##java
[07:22] <Joit> and then hans?
[07:23] <Joit> is today 1. April?
[07:24] <OerHeks> if you need an invite, maybe you need to register ?
[07:24] <Joit> OerHeks:  yes, i did that, usual i am reegistered but i have daily disconnect and this weird name then
[07:25] <Joit> i just wonder why he beeped me for it, i got nothing to do with it
[07:32] <Joit> hans
[07:33] <Joit> hans
[07:33] <Joit> hans_:
[07:34] <Joit> hans_:
[07:47] <bodoh> hey .. you know WHAT!!?? .... I think I like kubuntu ;)
[07:47] <bodoh> it looks great, for sure ... but I'm still a bit confused with the settings
[07:49] <bodoh> one more thing is .. this Krazy usage of anything K in kde ... from kopete to kock ... really reminds me of Kim Kardashian
[07:49] <bodoh> is kde a personal linux distro of that Kim Kardashian .. indeed???
[07:54] <bodoh> how to install jre?
[08:23] <hans_> sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
[09:53] <osinclair_> any sight of 4.7.4 packages?
[10:01] <jtheuer> hi, after upgrading to 11.10, my X doesn't boot on startup: it repeatingly restarts and I have to boot the system in recovery mode. Any idea where to start fighting the issue?
[10:01] <jtheuer> starting kdm from the recovery mode afterwards kind of works but my resolution is bad and I cannot access my additional monitor :-(
[10:05] <osinclair_> jtheuer: try setting "nomodeset" as a boot option
[10:12] <jtheuer> osinclair_: thanks. I can edit that on-the-fly in grub, right?
[10:13] <osinclair_> jtheuer: and don't forget update-grub b4 u reboot
[10:15] <faichele> jtheuer: What you mean is the grub boot prompt; depending on how grub is configured, it either displays "Press Esc to enter boot console" before the kernel loads, or it presents a selection of bootable kernels.
[10:15] <faichele> jtheuer: You can edit the grub command line there.
[10:24] <jtheuer> ok, great nomodeset works, I can now boot staight into X... Small issue left: I onlyhave 1024x768 and cannot use my external monitor. Any ideas what is wrong? its an internal intel graphics card...
[10:25] <jtheuer> strange thing is: it worked once, even with the new 11.10 stuff (some startx fiddeling as root or so..)
[10:30] <jjman6> muon doesn't seem to have permissions to do anything.  b4 upgrade (kpackage) worked just fine.  How can i give Muon permissions to use it
[10:32] <osinclair_> jtheuer: look in kubuntu users mailing list archives, was a long thread on this
[10:33] <jtheuer> cool, thanks. any keyword you remember?
[10:38] <osinclair_> jtheuer: I THINK (not sure) "KDE hang while start"
[10:42] <jtheuer> osinclair_: ok, thanks found it but i think its not related. I only have to figure out how to get my graphic card back.
[10:43] <osinclair_> jtheuer: ok am not good at these things myself, have problems with my ati card...
[10:56] <Joit> jtheuer:  you can try to install a graphic driver first. by my 10.10 it did not isntall a driver, and that was the problem
[12:13] <azbarcea_> hello everyone
[12:47] <jtheuer> Joit: can I see which driver is currently used?
[12:47] <Joit> jtheuer: i got the driver menu at systemsettings - hardwaredriver
[12:48] <Joit> not at system, the other menu above
[12:48] <Joit> sry opposite
[12:48] <Joit> menu System - Hardware driver
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:03] <trerq> hi all
[13:04] <trerq> i wont to try KDE 4.8b
[13:04] <trerq> i on kubuntu 11.10
[13:04] <trerq> PPA?
[13:08] <Riddell> trerq: use project neon for now, we'll package 4.8b properly shortly
[13:08] <kamilnadeem> hi
[13:09] <trerq> I project Neon and right now I'm updating, the update has already entered?
[13:16] <kamilnadeem> any heads up on KDE 4.7.4 making to the repos?
[13:24] <trerq> i try neon
[13:24] <trerq> not have KDE 4.b
[14:44] <Alonea> ok, I am not sure why I am not getting sound. all the volume is set up and it looks like it should work, but I don't hear anything. Note that sound is going through HDMI
[14:46] <Peace-> Alonea: mm have you some mp3 file ?
[14:46] <Peace-> Alonea: and ffmpeg or mplayer installeD?
[14:47] <Alonea> no mp3. Was using the "test" option under phonon. I think they were trying to watch youtube videos
[14:47] <Alonea> and there isn't any startup noise or pop sounds from notifications
[14:50] <Alonea> Peace-: is the backend supposed to be GStreamer?
[14:51] <Peace-> Alonea: i don't use that crappy stuff
[14:51] <Peace-> i use phonon-backend-vlc
[14:51] <Alonea> Peace-: er. its what the phonon settings says the backend is
[14:52] <Alonea> Peace-: isn't VLC a player?
[14:52] <Peace-> yes but installing   phonon-backend-vlc you will get the vlc stuff
[14:52] <Alonea> Peace-: er, I am fine with VLC player, but how does that get system sounds working?
[14:53] <Peace-> Alonea: try to install veromix maybe it could help you to set better your stuff
[14:53] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-veromix should be fine
[15:11] <Alonea> ok, how do I stop the X server? kdm stop did nothing and init 1 locked up my computer.
[15:14] <Alonea> ctrl alt backspace doesn't work either
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Alonea, ctrl+alt+F1 , sudo service kdm stop
[15:26] <mokie> when 4.7.4 will be available???
[15:29] <mokie> hello??
[15:29] <Peace-> mokie: wait untill there will be the new on kubuntu.org
[15:29] <mokie> what?
[15:29] <mokie> 2 days maybe
[15:29] <mokie> ?
[15:30] <szal> Peace-: the new what?
[15:30] <mokie> 4.7.4
[15:30] <Peace-> go in www.kubuntu.org => news ==> if there si kde 4.7.4
[15:30] <Peace-> there would be in ther repository if not =>wait
[15:32] <mokie> I dont know why this time it is taking so much time
[15:33] <Alonea> BluesKaj: Is there a guide on how to get the Nvidia drivers to install? it was complaining about noveu (er, sp?) or something running
[15:48] <Alonea> how do you disable nouveau?
[15:50] <who_me> it gets disabled automatically when you grab the nvidia blob via jockey
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Alonea, lookin the kmenu>apps>ssystem>additional drivers , install the recommended driver , it will remove nouveau and reboot
[15:52] <BluesKaj> Alonea, you'll have to manually reboot
[15:59] <Alonea> BluesKaj: nope. still says its on there and wont install
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Alonea, try desktop effects , there'
[16:00] <BluesKaj> s a bug in nvidia reporting which driver is in use
[16:01] <Alonea> BluesKaj: ah ok. so enable them?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> which driver won't install , Alonea ?
[16:01] <Alonea> BluesKaj: the 290.10 ones from NVidia
[16:02] <Alonea> BluesKaj: says it can't until nouveau is turned off
[16:02] <BluesKaj> Alonea, is it the recommended ?
[16:02] <Alonea> BluesKaj: its not the beta ones.
[16:03] <Tech-1> those are from nvidia site
[16:03] <BluesKaj> the 285 is usually the recmd'd one
[16:04] <Alonea> Tech-1: correct. the proprietary ones aren't under additional drivers so I was going to install it manually.
[16:04] <Tech-1> youll have to do some black lsiting and uninstall nvidia.*
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ok , maybe blacklist nouveau
[16:04] <Tech-1> pain in the but, just go with whats in the repos
[16:05] <BluesKaj> those damm proprietaries ...
[16:05] <Alonea> BluesKaj: alright, I can try that out here in a bit. I didn't see anything remotely recent in the repos. stuff in the 100s I think. Let me look again
[16:06] <Tech-1> Alonea:  when you click on aditional drivers, there are usually 2-3 versions to pick from
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Alonea, make sure you have the partner repos enabled
[16:06] <Tech-1> i would go with (nvidia-current)
[16:06] <Alonea> Tech-1: only additional is the experimental free one
[16:06] <Tech-1> what version
[16:07] <Tech-1> 173 ?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> the 285.13 driver is most likely the recommended driver in 'additional drivers" the 290 is experimental afaik
[16:07] <Tech-1> then go to your repos and click search, Nvidia...then look for nvidia-current
[16:08] <Tech-1> then go back to aditional drivers
[16:08] <Alonea> Tech-1: ok, and for reference the additional one I have says:   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  This driver provides a highly experimental 3D acceleration for NVIDIA graphics cards, as a free alternative to the proprietary driver.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> too many cooks ...taking a break
[16:08] <Tech-1> sry BluesKaj
[16:09] <Tech-1> thats what ive done Alonea
[16:09] <Tech-1> but if your worried, go with the 285
[16:09] <BluesKaj>  have to go in the same direction , so ...bbl
[16:09] <Alonea> Tech-1: where is the 285? under current or elsewhere?
[16:09] <Tech-1> check in repos
[16:10] <Tech-1> Alonea:  what version pops up when you click aditional drivers ?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Alonea, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[16:40] <Alonea> BluesKaj: alright, though I am having issues installing current. that lists common, current, current-dev, and settings
[16:40] <Alonea> BluesKaj: and it says the nvidia version is 270.41.06-0ubuntu1
[16:40] <BluesKaj> which driver is listed , it should show trhat
[16:41] <Alonea> BluesKaj: also, i will be back in a couple hours, got Crypto to go to. Umm, I assume it means the 270.41 driver.
[16:42] <BluesKaj> i mean , which driver is listed after the command I gave you , Alonea
[16:42] <Alonea> it listed those 4 things
[16:42] <Alonea> nvidia-common, -current, -current-dev, and -settings
[16:43] <BluesKaj> any chance of a pastebin of the output
[16:43] <Alonea> sure, real quick like
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:43] <BluesKaj> pm me if you want
[16:43] <Alonea> http://pastebin.com/MgNFB8hL
[16:44] <Alonea> ok, I will be back!
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Alonea, don't cd to ~/Downloads in the terminal...we need it be in your current dir which is default
[16:49] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hey i have installed the unity panel :D http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoprg2848
[17:00] <BluesKaj> Peace-, , but why ... to each his own ,  I prefer bottom panels to side panels
[17:01] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :) haha i did for fun
[17:01] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have even created a debian package
[17:01] <BluesKaj> not a fan ofunity
[17:01] <Peace-> it a plasmoid
[17:01] <Peace-> it's
[17:09] <DarthFrog> Peace-:  What does it do?
[17:27] <Peace-> DarthFrog: the same of unity i guess
[18:14] <Myze> Networking Kubuntu 11.10 does anyonbe have advice I am trying to connect to another kubuntu 11.10 computer
[18:14] <Myze> I tried samba but I can't connect to ther other computer...
[18:18] <Togkolos> how can i restore grub? ( i just installed windows and lost grub)
[18:26] <Tech-1> !grub
[18:26] <Togkolos> tell me the command
[18:26] <Togkolos> links dont work
[18:26] <Tech-1> you have to do it from the live cd
[18:27] <Tech-1> and DO read the links, they tell how
[19:02] <Takaros> how can i remove a user from a group?
[19:02] <ikonia> usermod
[19:02] <ikonia> or the user admin gui
[19:02] <Takaros> what options?
[19:02] <DarthFrog> Takaros: Use the "groupdel" command.
[19:03] <Takaros> groupdel deletes the group
[19:03] <Takaros> i want the opposite of usermod -aG group name
[19:03] <DarthFrog> Oops, forget that.  Groupdel deletes a group, not a user from a group. :-(
[19:03] <Takaros> ikonia, any idea?
[19:03] <ikonia> Takaros: what ?
[19:04] <Takaros> how can i do that with usermod?
[19:04] <DarthFrog> Takaros: Edit the /etc/group file and delete the user from the group there.
[19:04] <ikonia> Takaros: well common sense would be to look at the syntax or man page, but you basically just re-apply the groups you want, removing the one you want
[19:04] <ikonia> Takaros: so usermod -g
[19:05] <Takaros> i check the manpage, i cant find a remove option
[19:05] <ikonia> there isn't a remove option, re-read what I said
[19:06] <genii-around> Takaros: The -G option is like a toggle. If you put also the -a it appends. If no -a, then only the specifically listed comma separated groups you have in the command are what the user will belong to
[19:07] <Takaros> genii-around, i understand your reply now
[19:07] <Takaros> k done
[19:24] <testetsetse> hi
[19:30] <cappi> what is the cmd to list the channels?
[19:30] <Pici> !alis | cappi
[19:34] <joshua__> hi
[20:28]  * Tech-1 stealz voice
[20:31]  * genii-around hugs FloodBotK1!
[20:32]  * Tech-1 stealz all hugs
[20:34] <nicolindalciucio> ubuntu-it
[20:34] <BluesKaj> !it
[21:03] <soee> yofel, hi sorry for disturbing but any news about 4.7.4 and 4.8 beta2 ?
[21:08] <yofel> soee: not much on 4.8 - scott is making good progress on 4.7.4
[21:09] <soee> yofel, what 4.8 version can we expect in 11.10 ? aby rc maybe ?
[21:15] <The_Jag> Hi all, is there a way to get into ubuntu that new Characters Picker feature of OSX Lion?
[21:15] <ccux> hallo everyone
[21:16] <yofel> soee: probably rc, but with the current progress I'm really just guessing
[21:17] <The_Jag> anyone?
[21:20] <soee> yofel, thank you
[21:20] <BluesKaj> The_Jag, alt+f2 . character-selector
[21:20] <soee> The_Jag, what is Characters Picker ?
[21:21] <BluesKaj> err character selector , The_Jag
[21:21] <The_Jag> BluesKaj: never knew that
[21:22] <BluesKaj> I didn't either , but i stsrted typing character and the selector auto finished
[21:22] <The_Jag> soee: it's a feature of the new osx lion that acts like in android/iOS: tap and hold a key and it shows the possible accented weird chars associated with it
[21:23] <soee> The_Jag, like press "s" and you get "ś" etc ?
[21:24] <The_Jag> BluesKaj: can't make it to work
[21:24] <The_Jag> soee: yes
[21:24] <The_Jag> soee: a pop up with all those chars
[21:24] <The_Jag> quite handy
[21:24] <d1g1ta1> I need to install Kubuntu on an older laptop that does not support booting from the CD ROM nor USB (it does support booting from floppy).  Is it possible to copy the contents of the CD to a USB drive and then to create a boot floppy that will both recognize the USB thumb drive and allow installation of Kubuntu?
[21:24] <jalel> i need help
[21:24] <jalel> i install maven
[21:24] <jalel> in my system
[21:25] <Tech-1> d1g1ta1:  is it a eeepc ?
[21:25] <jalel> and i modify my /etc/bash.bashrc
[21:25] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1:  no
[21:25] <The_Jag> BluesKaj: it won't find anything :(
[21:25] <jalel> but he can't reconize my my command mvn
[21:25] <Tech-1> d1g1ta1:  are you trying to install from a usb?, if so check out unetbootin
[21:26] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1: no, it's a parallel port CD ROM drive
[21:26] <Tech-1> o
[21:26] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1: or, as I mentioned, I can copy the CD to a USB memory drive (though that's not bootable either).
[21:26] <Tech-1> so, you want to install from that on boot ?
[21:27] <BluesKaj> Ⳁt ,  <-- I just dragged that into the text box
[21:27] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1:   Yes, but I will go with whatever works.
[21:27] <BluesKaj> The_Jag,^
[21:27] <The_Jag> BluesKaj: ???
[21:28] <Tech-1> cant you hit escape on boot and have the bios have you chose on boot ?
[21:28] <BluesKaj> The_Jag, sry , dunno what you're trying to do then.
[21:29] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1: No, the only boot options on that laptop are floppy disk or hard disk
[21:29] <Tech-1> try the floppy and see if it sees it
[21:29] <d1g1ta1> yes, it works with a DOS boot floppy
[21:30] <Tech-1> must be a really ld machine, lol
[21:30] <Tech-1> old
[21:30] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1:  I even made a DOS boot floppy with the parallel port CD ROM drivers which works, but Kubuntu has a known error that prevents installing from WIndows
[21:30] <Tech-1> i c
[21:30] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1:  nor does it support DOS
[21:31] <Tech-1> google time
[21:31] <The_Jag> BluesKaj: I'm searching a way (if there is any) to enable a feature like Character Picker http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#text
[21:31] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1:  So, I was thinking if we could make a Linux floppy that will allow me to run the installation from USB or from the parallel port (or a USB DVD) drive...
[21:32] <Tech-1> you can from a usb, unetbootin would be the choice
[21:32] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1: remember, this doesn''t support boot from USB, which is why I need the floppy to boot linux
[21:32] <Tech-1> just make sure you format the usb to dos
[21:33] <Tech-1> o ic now
[21:33] <Tech-1> ok
[21:34] <BluesKaj> The_Jag, try character picker in apper or muon , there are acouple of apps there
[21:34] <The_Jag> thanks, will try that
[21:34] <d1g1ta1> I am trying several versions of Kubuntu and Ubuntu, each throws a different error.  Ubuntu says "The specified file was not found"  Kubuntu says "CD MENU" "Invalid CD Detected"... I googled these and it says they are known bugs.  SUper.
[21:35]  * Tech-1 scratches head
[21:36] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1:   I suppose I could take the hard drive and put it into a laptop that supports CD booting... but then would the GUI work when I change machines?  I imagine not.
[21:37] <Tech-1> the hardware would be different
[21:37] <Tech-1> you cant hold escape on boot and it give you boot options ?
[21:38] <d1g1ta1> Nope, tried it when you asked b4, it just booted Windows
[21:38] <Tech-1> heh
[21:38] <Tech-1> what kind of machine is it
[21:39] <d1g1ta1> Tech-1:  Acer
[21:39] <Tech-1> have you gone into the bios yet ?
[21:40] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, try the alternate install
[21:40] <d1g1ta1> Oh, yes.  Only options are hard drive and Floppy drive
[21:40] <BluesKaj> !alternate
[21:40] <Tech-1> ya, like BluesKaj  said
[21:40] <d1g1ta1> BluesKaj:  No, what''s that?
[21:40] <d1g1ta1> !alternate
[21:41] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, read the post above
[21:43] <d1g1ta1> BluesKaj: the thing is, I cannot boot from CD on this system.  Has to be floppy or hard drive.
[21:43] <BluesKaj> does the cdrom not work at all?
[21:43] <d1g1ta1> WOrks, but u cannot boot from it on this system
[21:44] <d1g1ta1> You can boot from Floppy and then run things on the CD, but Ubuntu & Kubuntu keep throwing the errors mentioned above.
[21:44] <d1g1ta1> same goes for HD/WIn boot
[21:44] <Tech-1> the only thing i can say is, see if there is a bios update that is for that mobo
[21:44] <d1g1ta1> I already checked, there is not
[21:45] <Tech-1> what about f8
[21:45] <Tech-1> im grabing at straws here, so.
[21:45] <d1g1ta1> Remember, this is a parallel port CD ROM drive and you cannot boot from USB even though I have two USB DVD RW drives that won't help
[21:46] <Tech-1> what model # is this
[21:46] <d1g1ta1> I think I need a way to boot from floppy and then launch the installer from CD ROM or USB memory drive.
[21:46] <Tech-1> Yeah
[21:46] <d1g1ta1> TravelMate 330T
[21:47] <d1g1ta1> This one only has an external floppy, no CD, so I had to use a 3rd party parallel CD ROM
[21:49] <Tech-1> the only thing i can think of is vbox
[21:57] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, pls understand the alternate cd will probly boot , the live cd doesn't boot on older systems ..i know, I have one
[21:58] <BluesKaj> I installed using the alternate on an amd single cpu pc from 2005
[22:02] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, . ok understood , that's a pretty old system ....you could try xfce/xubuntu
[22:02] <Tech-1> im looking at a pdf, it says you can pick the boot order
[22:03] <Tech-1> http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/travelmate%20330.pdf
[22:03] <d1g1ta1> You can, but not for 3rd party CD ROM
[22:03] <Tech-1> oh
[22:03] <d1g1ta1> BluesKaj: does xfce/xubuntu support installation from a floppy disk?
[22:04] <Tech-1> id do like BluesKaj  said = alternate cd
[22:04] <d1g1ta1> BluesKaj: are you saying the alternate CD might boot from Windows running off a non-bootable CD ROM (not DVD) drive?
[22:04] <Tech-1> that prolly will work
[22:04] <kkerwin> Hi. I just setup an NFS share, but the directory that I'm trying to share is apparently "unable to be exported". Any reason why this is, and what can I do to fix the issue?
[22:08] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, yes it should boot with windows installed, but make sure you create an ext3/4 partition for the linux OS, and swap
[22:09] <BluesKaj> use gparted livecd for the partitoning
[22:09] <d1g1ta1> I'd just assume scratch windows and install Kubuntu.  When I downloaded the alternate CD it gave me a 28KB file called *.iso.torrent
[22:10] <d1g1ta1> BluesKaj: same problem, how am I going to boot the Live CD?
[22:10] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, that file merely a link for seeding the iso thru your torrent client
[22:11] <d1g1ta1> I don't have that.  There's no way to just download the CD directly?
[22:11] <d1g1ta1> And, once I have it, can you start the Alternate install from WIndows?
[22:11] <Tech-1> how fast is the processor and how much ram U got
[22:11] <d1g1ta1> It's a PII 384M RAM
[22:12] <Tech-1> huh
[22:12] <d1g1ta1> Thus, my choice of Kubuntu vs Ubuntu
[22:12] <Tech-1> thats cuttin it mighty close
[22:12] <Tech-1> youd be better off with xfce or lubuntu or something like that
[22:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's too old for ubuntu or kubuntu , xubuntu might work
[22:12] <d1g1ta1> Is this a waste of time?  Win 98 runs great on that system
[22:13] <Tech-1> looks like it
[22:13] <Tech-1> or, puppy
[22:13] <Tech-1> puppy looks and works great
[22:13] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:13] <Riddell> d1g1ta1: get it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/oneiric/
[22:14] <BluesKaj> Riddell, not with his specs ...no way will it work
[22:15] <d1g1ta1> can you install xubuntu or Puppy from DOS, Win 98 or a boot floppy?
[22:15] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, http://www.xubuntu.org/
[22:16] <BluesKaj> check the url
[22:16] <d1g1ta1> (e.g., without a bootable CD / DVD / USB / parallel drive)?
[22:21] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, well, without a cdrom drive , there might be a method , but I don't know of any
[22:22] <Tech-1> maybe a tape drive
[22:23] <Tech-1> i remember the win 98 days tho, whew, glad they are over.
[22:27] <sam-jamie> hey all
[22:27] <kkerwin> Hi. I just setup an NFS share, but the directory that I'm trying to share is apparently "unable to be exported". Any reason why this is, and what can I do to fix the issue?
[22:28] <d1g1ta1> BluesKaj: I have a CD ROM drive, it's just not a bootable CD ROM drive.  I can boot from WIndows or floppy drive
[22:33] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, an outboard ?
[22:33] <d1g1ta1> y
[22:33] <d1g1ta1> parallel w dos driver I can make it boot from WIndows on C: or dos on A:
[22:33] <d1g1ta1> and see the CD ROM
[22:44] <BluesKaj> d1g1ta1, well it's a bit round abou,t but if you can get the xubuntu alternate iso on to a cd (if the outboard can also burn cds or if you have access to a cd burner) , the you might be able to explore the wonders of linux on the laptop:)
[22:54] <BluesKaj> BBL
[22:59] <d1g1ta1> BluesKaj: I can burn the CD on another system, no problem.  The question is whether or not I can launch the alternate CD installer from DOS?
[23:12] <OerHeks> d1g1ta1, no, dis is unusable, there used to be a floppy method, i hope that still works .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[23:12] <OerHeks> dis-dos
[23:12] <k0s> WTF???
[23:13] <OerHeks> mind your language k0s
[23:15] <k0s> посмотрели чем живете.можно и прощаться
[23:16] <OerHeks> !ru
[23:16] <XVampireX> k0s: v chem problema?
[23:16] <k0s> проблем нет.все норм
[23:17] <k0s> просто надо спать иногда
[23:31] <kkerwin> Hi. When I start my NFS server, I receive the following error message: "exportfs: *** does not support export". Any idea why this is, and what I can do to fix it?
[23:42] <progre55> hi guys. how do you disable samba (smbd) so that it doesnt autostart?
[23:43] <progre55> system settings > sharing just gives me an option to set a username and password
[23:43] <progre55> "default"
[23:43] <bodoh> this kubuntu is not bad ... kde has made quite a change since the last time I used it
[23:43] <bodoh> some 9-10 years ago
[23:44] <bodoh> when everything was still so messed up ;)
[23:44] <bodoh> but I think team kde needs some sort of Steve Jobs to simplify its confusing and unintuitive GUIs
[23:45] <bodoh> it'
[23:45] <bodoh> it's one thing to be 'different' .. and it's another thing to be clustered, confusing, unintuitive
[23:53] <SunTsu> bodoh: kde lost me previously, until 4.3 where it actually started to be usable again
[23:54] <SunTsu> and quite fast compared to the kde I know some years ago
[23:54] <bodoh> really messed up is gnome now
[23:54] <bodoh> I tried mint 12's gnome before I used this kubuntu
[23:54] <bodoh> that was so like, fucked up
[23:55] <EvilResistance> Ubuntu's GNOME/Unity combo sickens me unfortunately
[23:55] <bodoh> no wonder that linus got pissed off too
[23:55] <EvilResistance> that alone got me to use KDE
[23:55] <EvilResistance> and its much much sexier than GNOME/Unity :P
[23:55] <Tech-1> kayta has gnome 3 still
[23:55] <Tech-1> 2
[23:56] <Tech-1> infact, i loaded Ultimate-Edition and it uses gnome 2
[23:56] <Tech-1> 3.0  which is kayta
[23:56] <SunTsu> I'm still undecided whether I keep using kde or xfce in the long run
[23:56] <bodoh> I mostly use fluxbox ... but the fact is, we'll still need kde or gnome
[23:56] <bodoh> or just go with xfce
[23:56] <Tech-1> you could always go staight debian
[23:56] <bodoh> oh .. just keep them all SunTsu
[23:57] <bodoh> this is not 90s anymore .. or even early 2000s .. space now is CHEAP
[23:57] <SunTsu> bodoh: on laptops it's still an issue
[23:57] <bodoh> so cheap in fact ... we can throw away 50gb just for the system
[23:57] <bodoh> I always use laptop
[23:57] <bodoh> this one has 500gb
[23:58] <bodoh> but yeah .. I remember my $4000 laptop .. Vaio .. with only 17gb
[23:58] <bodoh> 16gb
[23:58] <SunTsu> bodoh: yeah, maybe I should replace my 250g drive
[23:58] <bodoh> back in 1999
[23:59] <bodoh> fucking 4000 $$$ ... and now for something that is 25 times better .. it's only less than 400$$
[23:59] <bodoh> in the US at least
[23:59] <bodoh> BTW ... I'm glad that stupid Vaio is kinda out of business