[00:10] <speckmade> Help help! - My lubuntu(s) here are behaving strangely when I have them installed insige an encrypted LVM.
[00:11] <speckmade> xorg log file says that there are no graphics driver modules available
[00:12] <speckmade> installed without encryption or as a live system it starts the GUI.
[01:18] <calamari> hi.. been noticing a strange bug where if a window that is touching the upper left and I maximize it, it doesn't maximize to fill the screen. However if I try to drag the window (even tho it's maximized), it will suddenly maximize the rest of the way
[01:19] <calamari> (11.10, sorry, I always forget to say that)
[14:17] <xsaidx> hello gyus
[16:46] <teamahma> Hello, terve kaikille
[16:56] <teamahma> Is there a way to get laptops (HP G62) brightness fixed. command "xbacklight -set 100" works. But I have to use it everytimes. So my problem is that the screen goes dark (maybe to 80%). And the strange part is that if the computer is not used for 10 minutes the bright goes to 100%
[16:57] <teamahma> but when I touch to mouse it goes to 80% again :/
[17:11] <philipballew> Hey sp I am going to be giving a desktop with lubuntu on it to a few people and am wondering if you have any good help documentation on the install already or do I need to add that myself?
[17:52] <teamahma> philipballew: Do you know how to get my laptop ( HP G62) brightness to work how it should. Now it screen is dark when I open the laptop and if I wait 10minutes it goes to 100%, but when I move mouse or keyboard, the keyboard goes back to darker. xbacklight command works so I can get brightness to 100% manually.
[17:56] <philipballew> no, I do not have that laptop. but there are sever reasons why it might go and do thst
[17:56] <philipballew> *that
[17:58] <teamahma> what is the manager which handles these?
[17:59] <philipballew> not sure. maybe your power manager or even grub
[18:38] <philipballew> DOes anyone know of any Lubuntu pdf or off line tutorials. like Ubuntu has the  help app. Does Lubuntu have anything?
[19:20] <45PAAFD80> hello
[19:21] <45PAAFD80> should Citrix work on Lubuntu?
[19:22] <holstein> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX125285
[19:26] <th^2> holstein, yes i have installed it
[19:27] <holstein> th^2: you mean, will it work on lubuntu as opposed to ubuntu?
[19:32] <th^2> holstein, well im running lubuntu so i came here to ask
[19:32] <holstein> th^2: cool... what are you asking?
[19:33] <holstein> if anything runs on ubuntu, it *should* run in lubuntu
[19:34] <th^2> yes i thought that myself
[19:34] <th^2> but cannot get citrix running on this machine
[19:34] <th^2> my ubuntu works just fine
[19:36] <holstein> th^2: theres maybe some little dependancy?
[19:40] <th^2> maybe
[19:47] <th^2> argh
[19:47] <th^2> any help?
[19:48] <th^2> holstein, what kind of a depency?
[19:50] <holstein> th^2: should say in the documentation
[19:50] <holstein> you can link error messages
[19:50] <holstein> its going to be challening since those packages are *not* ubuntu/canonical maintained
[19:51] <th^2> well its not giving me any errors. .deb installed just fine and citrix appeared to menu but it just doesnt launch
[19:52] <holstein> th^2: launch it from the terminal
[19:52] <th^2> hmm there seems to be no path :S
[19:53] <holstein> no path to?
[19:53] <holstein> theres a /dir missing?
[19:53] <holstein> maybe one didnt get auto created
[19:53] <holstein> you should be albe to mk it
[19:53] <th^2> cannot apropos it
[19:53] <th^2> yes but i cannot find absolute path
[19:54] <holstein> well, you dont need to
[19:54] <th^2> okay
[19:54] <th^2> sh /opt/Citrix/ICAClient/wfica.sh
[19:54] <th^2> Error: 4 (E_MISSING_ARG)
[19:54] <th^2> Please refer to the documentation.
[19:55] <holstein> yup... thats what i think... you'll need to check the documentation
[19:55] <holstein> th^2: is this lubuntu 11.10? was it ubuntu 11.10?
[19:56] <holstein> sometimes those companies are expecting the LTS
[19:56] <th^2> Lubuntu 11.10 yes
[19:56] <th^2> argh :D
[22:06] <genoobie> he
[22:14] <genoobie> hey all
[22:14] <wxl> sup
[22:14] <genoobie> I installed lubuntu 3 wks ago and i loved it
[22:14] <genoobie> today the wireless just "crapped out"
[22:15] <genoobie> not sure how I could diag it
[22:15] <wxl> never had any experience with that before
[22:15] <wxl> laptop or desktop?
[22:15] <genoobie> yeah, is there any "reinstall driver" type approach
[22:15] <genoobie> laptop
[22:15] <genoobie> I am a complete linux newb
[22:15] <genoobie> if this happened on a windows machine I would reinstall the driver
[22:16] <wxl> so why don't you take it to a coffee shop (or go warwalking through the neighborhood) and see if you have a problem connecting with any other access points
[22:16] <wxl> if it does work, then it's a problem either with yoru access point or your isp
[22:16] <genoobie> well I have another windows laptop next to it and I can connect to the net
[22:16] <wxl> if it doesn't work, then we can investigate further
[22:16] <genoobie> so the access point is functional
[22:16] <wxl> k well there ya go
[22:16] <wxl> that works too
[22:17] <wxl> is your wireless enabled?
[22:17] <genoobie> well the "blue light" that is the wireless switch is on
[22:17] <wxl> right click on the network manager icon and click on enable wireless
[22:17] <genoobie> greyed out
[22:17] <wxl> oh noes
[22:17] <genoobie> only VPN connections is an option
[22:18] <wxl> so could you tell me what version of network-manager you have?
[22:19] <genoobie> hm, not sure how to tell..
[22:19] <wxl> i have 0.9.1.90-0ubuntu5.1
[22:19] <wxl> you could search for it in synaptic
[22:20] <genoobie> any way to cmd line that?
[22:20] <wxl> or open a terminal and use "sudo apt-cache policy network-manager | grep -i installed"
[22:20] <genoobie> mine is the same as yours
[22:21] <genoobie> 5 instead of 5.1
[22:21] <wxl> hmmmm
[22:21] <genoobie> but its not checked
[22:21] <wxl> have you changed any settings on the access point?
[22:21] <genoobie> does that mean it is not installed?
[22:21] <genoobie>  no
[22:21] <wxl> what do you mean it's not checked? in synaptic
[22:21] <wxl> ?
[22:21] <genoobie> yes
[22:21] <wxl> hah that's strange
[22:21] <wxl> that generally means it's not installed
[22:22] <wxl> run that command line and see what you get
[22:22] <genoobie> okay
[22:22] <genoobie> says installed 0.9.1.90-ubuntu5
[22:23] <wxl> k well u got it
[22:23] <wxl> hold a sec
[22:23] <genoobie> yeah, it was working okay until today, i mean it was even working this morning
[22:23] <wxl> bizarro
[22:24] <genoobie> anything to "reinstall" that could fix the problem?
[22:25] <genoobie> if I were to go to a local store and buy one, any pref on which mini-pci works best with linux?
[22:26] <genoobie> would I just swap and reboot?
[22:26] <genoobie> or would there have to be other configurations
[22:26] <wxl> yeah that's a good point come to think of it
[22:26] <wxl> problem may not be lubuntu
[22:26] <wxl> problem may be your hardware
[22:26] <wxl> why don't you download the live iso and run it on the windows machine and see if it still works ok
[22:27] <genoobie> do you have a link to the live iso?
[22:27] <genoobie> not a torrent
[22:27] <wxl> you are on oneiric right?
[22:28] <wxl> x86 or 64?
[22:28] <genoobie> wxl how could I check
[22:28] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[22:28] <genoobie> i686
[22:29] <genoobie> oneiric 11.10
[22:29] <wxl> http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-desktop-i386.iso
[22:30] <wxl> hm
[22:30] <genoobie> okay, so if I download that and it works...what then
[22:30] <wxl> another thought to check and see if your basic hardware is working is to use the command line
[22:30] <genoobie> wxl
[22:30] <genoobie> okay I'm all ears
[22:30] <wxl> i'd say reboot to recovery mode (hold shift while it boots to get to the menu)
[22:30] <wxl> mount the file systems
[22:30] <genoobie> okay hold a sec
[22:30] <genoobie> uh oh
[22:30] <genoobie> hold a sec
[22:31] <wxl> then go to networking shell
[22:31] <wxl> ifconfig wlan0
[22:31] <genoobie> well there is a "recovery mode"
[22:31] <wxl> dhclient wlan0
[22:31] <wxl> ping google.com
[22:31] <genoobie> in grub
[22:31] <wxl> should work :D
[22:31] <wxl> yep go for it
[22:31] <genoobie> okay hold a sec
[22:32] <genoobie> my windows partition is borked
[22:32] <genoobie> that sucks
[22:32] <wxl> ruh roh
[22:32] <wxl> well anyways that will give you some homework for a while ;)
[22:32] <genoobie> okay I have resume normal boot
[22:32] <genoobie> fsck for check file systems
[22:32] <wxl> don't do it
[22:33] <wxl> next should be mount file systems
[22:33] <wxl> go ahead and do that
[22:33] <genoobie> remount / read/write and mount
[22:33] <wxl> not sure why you can't just get to the networking shell first but whatever
[22:33] <wxl> do the remount
[22:33] <genoobie> clean, dpkg, grub, netroot
[22:33] <genoobie> root
[22:33] <genoobie> clean = free space, dpkg repair broken pkgs
[22:33] <wxl> then the net shell
[22:34] <genoobie> root then net shell?
[22:34] <genoobie> or netroot
[22:34] <wxl> there should be two options
[22:34] <wxl> one for a root shell, one for a root shell with networking
[22:34] <wxl> you want the latter
[22:34] <genoobie> ok
[22:34] <genoobie> done
[22:34] <genoobie> now?
[22:34] <wxl> ifconfig wlan0
[22:34] <wxl> ooops
[22:34] <wxl> ifconfig wlan0 up
[22:35] <genoobie> error while getting interface flags, no such device
[22:35] <genoobie> urgh
[22:35] <genoobie> so it's kicked
[22:35] <wxl> maybe it's wlan1
[22:35] <genoobie> same err
[22:35] <wxl> hold
[22:35] <genoobie> oaky
[22:36] <wxl> try iwconfig
[22:36] <wxl> then iwlist scan
[22:36] <genoobie> lo no wireless
[22:36] <genoobie> eth0 no wireless
[22:37] <wxl> curious
[22:38] <wxl> oh right
[22:38] <wxl> you might have restricted drivers which may not get loaded
[22:39] <genoobie> I would get
[22:39] <genoobie> I mean I would guess that is likely the case
[22:39] <genoobie> I think it was an "atheros" wireless card
[22:39] <genoobie> or some stupid crap like that
[22:40] <genoobie> so what's next?
[22:40] <genoobie> if I have to load a restricted driver taht is
[22:41] <wxl> try lspci -vvnn | grep -i wireless
[22:43] <genoobie_> wxl
[22:43] <wxl> ?
[22:43] <genoobie_> you still here?
[22:43] <genoobie_> ethernet controller 0200 atheros communications inc ar242x / ar542x Wireless network adater (PCI-Express) [168:001c] (rev 01)
[22:43] <wxl> i don't ever leave :D
[22:43] <wxl> k
[22:44] <genoobie_> heh.
[22:45] <genoobie_> so it looks like it "sees" something...
[22:45] <wxl> yep
[22:45] <wxl> good 1st step
[22:46] <wxl> try modprobe ath5k
[22:46] <wxl> THEN iwconfig
[22:47] <genoobie_> okay that seems to bring it up
[22:47] <wxl> haha
[22:47] <wxl> yes
[22:47] <wxl> not sure if you have to set up a dhclient
[22:47] <wxl> can you ping google or something?
[22:47] <genoobie_> so now how do I "fix" that in the "normal" boot
[22:47] <genoobie_> well I probably have to "scan" then "connect" somehow
[22:47] <wxl> yeah right
[22:47] <wxl> iwlist scan
[22:48] <genoobie_> wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning: network is down
[22:48] <genoobie_> so iwconfig wlan0 up?
[22:48] <wxl> try ifconfig wlan0 up
[22:48] <genoobie_> wlan0 link is not ready
[22:49] <wxl> hm
[22:49] <genoobie_> oops tried again, operation not possible due to RF-kill
[22:51] <wxl> might need sudo
[22:51] <wxl> but should be something like:
[22:51] <wxl> iwconfig wlan0 mode managed key [wep key]
[22:52] <genoobie_> urgh now did ifconfig wlan0 down
[22:52] <wxl> iwconfig wlan0 essid "[essid]"
[22:52] <wxl> dhclient wlan0
[22:52] <wxl> sorry if i'm stumbling around; i've more experience with ethernet in the command line than wireless
[22:52] <genoobie_> if it is wpa2?
[22:53] <wxl> ahh
[22:53] <wxl> you need wpa-supplicant
[22:53] <genoobie_> urgh...
[22:53] <genoobie_> :)
[22:53] <wxl> might as well skip this method
[22:53] <genoobie_> wxl thanks btw for all this help
[22:53] <wxl> cuz that isn't going to come installed i don't think
[22:53] <wxl> so yeah, go try that iso on the other machine
[22:53] <genoobie_> wpa_supplicant is installed
[22:53] <wxl> here's info on wireless cards on the buntus https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[22:55] <wxl> i have like 0 experience with wpa_supplicant
[22:55] <genoobie_> wxl here's a questino
[22:55] <genoobie_> if wlan0 comes up in the list
[22:55] <genoobie_> after modprobe ath5k + iwconfig
[22:55] <genoobie_> does that mean the wireless card is working?
[22:55] <wxl> perhaps
[22:56] <wxl> doesn't mean EVERYTHING's working
[22:56] <genoobie_> if I pop another wireless card in there then will lspci pick it up?
[22:57] <wxl> yep
[22:57] <wxl> or lsusb if it's usb and not pci
[22:58] <genoobie_> okay let me call my local shop and see if they have any used bg mini pci's in stock
[22:59] <wxl> i'd go checking that other laptop before you go there
[22:59] <wxl> but that's just me
[22:59] <wxl> i could see two things you could do:
[22:59] <genoobie_> why check the other laptop?
[22:59] <wxl> 1. test some other OS on the lubuntu machine (might not be easy)
[22:59] <wxl> 2. test lubuntu on the other laptop
[23:00] <wxl> if #2 works, then you know that the problem is not lubuntu.. it must be your hardware
[23:00] <wxl> if #2 does not work, then it is likely that the problem is lubuntu
[23:00] <wxl> if #1 works, then it must be lubuntu
[23:00] <wxl> if #1 does not work then it must be the hardware
[23:00] <wxl> two ways at getting at the same thing
[23:02] <genoobie_> if the problem was lubuntu, why would it suddenly "crash".
[23:02] <wxl> that's a darn good question
[23:02] <wxl> i wouldn't expect such behavior unless something was changed
[23:02] <wxl> either with the drivers, the networking software, or the properties of the access point
[23:03] <wxl> needless to say i'm a bit skeptical of it being the software
[23:03] <genoobie_> so if nothing changed with those features then doesn't that kind of point to the mini wireless?
[23:03] <wxl> even on windows drivers just don't magically get corrupted
[23:03] <wxl> sure does, i'd just want to confirm things, that's all
[23:03] <wxl> again, my own personal opinion
[23:08] <genoobie_> ok. well mini pci's are cheap.
[23:08] <genoobie_> just stick to that list?
[23:09] <genoobie_> wxl not too much support for mini pci though.
[23:11] <genoobie_> ugh how do I reboot out of command line
[23:12] <genoobie_> nm, I think I figured it out