[02:56] chrisccoulson, my thunderbird isn't showing any mail? [05:00] Good morning [05:01] Morning pitti. [05:16] hey TheMuso, how are you? [05:16] had a nice weekend? [05:32] Aloha pitti [05:32] hey RAOF, how are you/ [05:33] Good! [05:33] Getting back into the swing of things. [05:33] pitti: Certainly did thanks. Yourself? [05:33] Lottsa email :) [05:34] TheMuso: was pretty nice, yes; we baked some more christmas cookies, and otherwise just enjoyed the last quiet weekend this year :0 [05:34] RAOF: Ctrl+A, Del [05:34] RAOF: heh, good luck with catching up! Where did you go? [05:35] Up to Bicheno, which is on the east coast. [05:35] Hung around there and the related environs for a couple of days, came back, had a laze around :) [05:35] that was more like "beach" or "hiking"? [05:39] A bit of both. [05:40] Walking along or near beaches, mostly :) [05:40] Also, watching penguins come up from the sea to their nests, and wandering among the rookery with the chicks. [05:44] RAOF: oh, wow, REAL penguins? nice! [05:44] got photos? [06:03] pitti: No, no photos. Photography is banned on the tours, on the basis that penguins don't have eyelids and so flashes have a high probability of permanently blinding them. [06:03] It was pretty awesome though :) [06:03] I bet === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:04] Oh, 7pm? Probably time to stop. [08:46] morning [08:46] hey rodrigo_ [08:47] hi pitti === Guest35752 is now known as gord [09:01] rickspencer3: so, dots mostly green again with the new server image :) [09:02] hi pitti [09:02] pitti, nice [09:02] I noticed it got off a bit rocky ;) [09:02] I'm itching to fix nova, too, but want to wait for Daviey's pong [09:02] pitti, right, I saw that in @u-devel [09:03] pitti, sweet, another day of development velocity! [09:11] Is it just me or unity-25 always maximizes thunderbird and firefox? :/ [09:11] unity2D [09:12] BigWhale, seems it does it for me also, at least with firefox [09:13] Ok, at least I don't get to post the 'forever alone' meme... :) [09:13] :) [09:43] hey [09:50] hi seb128 [09:50] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [09:50] can someone confirm few bugs for me? bug 903085, bug 832312 [09:50] Launchpad bug 903085 in unity "Only window decoration is shown after un-minimize" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903085 [09:50] Launchpad bug 832312 in unity "During screen lock windows get moved to other workspaces" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832312 [09:50] seb128, I'm fine thanks, and you? [09:51] I'm good thanks [10:09] rodrigo_, is there any way to get python code running in g-c-c or do we 100% need to rewrite, mhr3 needs to hear it [10:10] seif, only C, yeah [10:11] mhr3, in your face :P [10:11] seif, rodrigo_, xembed? [10:12] cause i really dont think a rewrite is wise when we want to get it in lts [10:14] good morning everyone [10:19] mhr3, you'll need to write support in g-c-c to do so [10:21] rodrigo_, right, it's smaller than rewriting alm imo, and other apps might use it then as well, the only problem i can see is upstream not wanting that [10:21] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [10:22] rodrigo_, mhr3: support for what? [10:22] seb128, xembed in g-c-c [10:22] why would you want to do that? [10:23] to easily plug python processes there [10:23] oh, python... [10:24] pitti, hey, small retracer question for you, are they still supposed to do duplicate detection from the stacktrace on the server side? === 77CAAC43S is now known as alf_ [10:32] mhr3, maybe you can just write a plugin that does the xembed itself, rather than having to patch g-c-c to support it [10:33] right [10:36] mhr3, how do i xemebed myself? [10:37] seif, just put yourself in a plug [10:37] seb128: yes, of course [10:37] seif: good morning [10:37] mhr3, not funny [10:37] hi pitti :) [10:37] seb128: bonjour monsieu [10:37] r [10:38] hey pitti, how are you? [10:38] seb128: quite fine, thanks! [10:39] pitti, do you know why bug #903019 and bug #902928 didn't get duped? [10:39] Launchpad bug 903019 in overlay-scrollbar "indicator-weather crashed with SIGSEGV in notify_gtk_theme_name_cb()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903019 [10:39] Launchpad bug 902928 in overlay-scrollbar "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV in notify_gtk_theme_name_cb()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902928 [10:39] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/87261065/Stacktrace.txt and https://launchpadlibrarian.net/87248184/Stacktrace.txt [10:39] looks exactly similar in their function names [10:40] seb128: hm, indeed; let me check [10:40] bug 902238 [10:40] Launchpad bug 902238 in apport "apport retracing service doesn't automatically mark as dupe any longer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902238 [10:41] hum [10:41] seb128: I'm looking into this now, thanks for pointing out [10:41] pitti, thanks ;-) [10:42] pitti, btw seems like the overlay-scrollbars have a segfault lot of users hit seeing the recent bugs, that's something which might be under the "get fixed or revert" rule? [10:42] seb128: yes, sounds good [10:44] hrw, the "got moved to other workspaces" seems like compiz could have restart, is there any segfault in dmesg or apport log? [10:54] seb128: good point. checked syslog.1 and indeed compiz was killed by oom [10:56] seb128: oh, I know [10:56] ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/indicator-weather [10:56] vs. [10:56] ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/pidgin [10:56] pitti, oh, we check for that in the signature? [10:56] yes [10:57] hum, ok, I guess it makes sense in most cases [11:01] btw - is screen lock handled by lightdm? [11:01] hrw, not yet [11:01] seb128, mozilla bug 709259 (ugly cursor's in thunderbird) ;) [11:01] ogra_: so what handles this? I want to know where to report bug ;) [11:01] Mozilla bug 709259 in Widget: Gtk "Appearance of "spinning" cursor regressed sometime between Thunderbird 8 and 9" [Minor,New: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709259 [11:02] i was pretty amazed at what i found when i investigated that [11:02] i'm surprised it has worked for so long ;) [11:02] hrw, gnome-screensaver [11:02] hrw, gnome-screensaver if i'm not competely outdated [11:02] hrw, what bug? [11:02] seb128: waiting ages for 'enter password' dialog to appear [11:03] #define ages 90s [11:03] stop running ubuntu on your ipaq :P [11:03] chrisccoulson, is Benjamin reading all the tb bugs or did somebody ping him? [11:03] ogra_: core2quad ;) [11:03] ogra_: never owned ipaq [11:03] seb128, not sure. i didn't ping him [11:03] hrw, weird, you seem to have lot of weird bugs nobody else get ;-) [11:04] i know, i was just teasing :) [11:04] seb128, yeah, he should really work in QA [11:04] seb128, oh, he was already assigned to the gtk2 -> gtk3 bug, and karl marked it as blocking that bug [11:04] so he would have got an email [11:04] hrw, you can report if but it's likely nobody will look at that, it's probably an issue with your pam config or something locally [11:04] seb128: soon you will have peace from me - moving back to kde4 [11:04] s/assigned/subscribed [11:05] chrisccoulson, oh ok [11:05] d'oh, i should go back to sleep :) [11:05] chrisccoulson, so they start by cleaning deprecated apis while staying on gtk2? ;-) [11:05] seb128, yeah, pretty much. it makes the code simpler when you need to support 2 toolkits ;) [11:05] indeed [11:06] we're probably going to backout the entire gtk2 -> gtk3 port for thunderbird/firefox 9, considering that it is released in 8 days [11:07] chrisccoulson, they got fully ported to gtk3?! [11:07] ogra_: unity (3d and 2d) is nice idea and I can admit that it may have some use. but after ~3 weeks with it I will wait for 14.04 atleast to try again. [11:07] to run it on your TV ? [11:07] ogra_: my TV runs FreeBSD [11:08] * ogra_ wonders what else 14.04 was the due date for [11:08] ogra_: and lacks any internet connection ;( [11:08] seb128, yeah, it will build and run on gtk3 [11:08] it looks no different [11:08] chrisccoulson, \o/ [11:08] the caveat being that you still need to build a gtk2 version for flash ;) [11:08] rockin'! [11:08] ogra_: it will be 2 more years for unity developers to make it work reliable for everyone [11:08] right [11:09] seb128: do you happen to know what's going on with shotwell? [11:09] pitti, you mean with gtk3? [11:09] yes [11:09] pitti, git is on gtk3, they will start rolling tarballs for it in january [11:09] shotwell, gwibber, ubuntu-sso-client are the remaining ones which hold the old gtk2 webkit [11:09] seb128: \o/ [11:09] they are aligned on the GNOME schedule, so a stable fully debugged working version should be out in march [11:10] seb128: I suppose we want that one for precise? [11:10] yes [11:10] they are pretty reliable upstreams [11:10] no worry, their stable version is usually pretty much a real stable, well tested, etc [11:11] they are better than GNOME in that regard ;-) [11:16] seb128: worry? I'm happy to get it :) [11:16] ;-) [11:20] seb128: FYI, libnautilus-extension1a migration should be complete now, I did the remainig rebuilds this morning [11:21] just waiting on a publisher now [11:21] pitti, thanks === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [12:24] Hey; I've imported gtk-im-libthai which b-deps on gtk-3-dev >= 3.2.2-3 for multiarch; does someone plan to merge this upload? if not, I'll consider it [12:24] infinity: ^ [12:30] I have no intentions of touching gtk3 merges, but I assume seb128 or someone on his team is on it. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:36] lool, if you want to do it please do, I've been staging 3.3.4 in the vcs though but it has some bugs so I'm not sure yet I will upload before holidays [12:37] seb128: So I would commit a revert of your changes in the vcs, do the merge, then stage them back? [12:41] lool, or don't bother and just add your diff to the vcs [12:41] we don't care a lot having all uploads tagged [12:42] seb128: Do you do your gtk+3.0 merges using bzr? [12:42] lool, no [12:42] well we have a vcs yes [12:43] but I don't use bzr merge-debian or whatever tools they created, I just diff by hand usually and apply changes ;-) [12:43] Ok [12:43] or cp the debian dir over the vcs one and bzr diff and clean until it's ready and commit [12:45] ah the desktop branch isn't in merged mode [12:46] it's debian dir only [12:46] will try with the UDD branches and commit back to the desktop branch [12:46] ok [12:47] (I wonder why https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3 rather than https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk+3.0/ubuntu I guess histerical raisins) [12:47] lool, because launchpad doesn't let you use a non-product name [12:47] or didn't by then [12:48] like it doesn't consider ubuntu source as being products, or you need a /ubuntu/precise/gtk... url [12:48] you can't do ~user//something [13:04] * rodrigo_ lunch [13:11] seb128: I see; I guess it might be ~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/gtk+3.0 then? [13:11] lool, we could try that though I think you need a serie if you go the ubuntu way [13:12] lool, note that in practice it's not an issue and most source have the product and their ubuntu names identical [13:12] seb128: that's right, hmpf [13:12] so it's not really worth bothering ;-) [13:12] I had filed a bug on that a while ago [13:12] debcheckout just do the right thing [13:22] Has anybody reported nivida binary drivers not functioning with the latest kernel in oneiric? [13:23] * Daviey cross posts to -kernel. === om26er is now known as om26er-afk [14:07] chrisccoulson, heyo! Is there a known issue with thunderbird not showing any folders? [14:07] mterry, not as far as i'm aware. is there anything in the error console? [14:08] chrisccoulson, "Error: JSON.parse: unexpected character [14:08] Source File: chrome://messenger/content/folderPane.js [14:08] Line: 196" [14:08] hmmm, doesn't look good ;) [14:08] m_conley_away, ^^ [14:09] mterry, do you have any other extensions installed? [14:09] chrisccoulson, hmmm... one of my folders has accents in it... [14:11] mterry, mind sending me the folderTree.json file from your profile? [14:11] chrisccoulson, one sec [14:12] mterry, I knew it, you secretly use french on your computer! ;-) [14:12] seb128, deja-dup has found so many utf8 issues in its lifetime :) [14:12] hehe [14:13] chrisccoulson, is it supposed to be text or data? [14:14] mterry, it should be text [14:14] chrisccoulson, problem 1 :) [14:14] heh [14:15] chrisccoulson, how safe is it to blow away? [14:15] mterry, i'm not sure about that. i've never tried it before [14:15] 1 second, i will tell you ;) [14:17] mterry, ok, it just built the folder tree from my imap server when i removed it [14:17] chrisccoulson, aw, thanks for taking that chance for me ;) ok, will try [14:18] chrisccoulson, yup, it's fine now. thanks! not sure how it happened though... [14:19] yeah, that's a bit odd [14:19] i'll submit a patch upstream to handle that case though === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:50] wow - I used unity for over a month [14:51] I thought that it was 2-3 weeks [15:26] pitti, hi [16:00] http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2011/12/12/used-unity-for-over-a-month/ - opinions? === om26er_ is now known as om26er [16:11] mvo, the semantics of InstallPackages hasn't changed in aptdaemon since oneiric has it? [16:12] i just tried my plugin installer code again, and InstallPackages keeps timing out :( [16:16] chr1sccoulson, you access aptdaemon directly or the sessioninstaller session dbus interface? [16:19] glatzor, i'm accessing aptdaemon directly? [16:20] hmm [16:20] not sure why i added a question mark there ;) [16:21] pitti, I start hating that gzip bug :-( [16:21] seb128: me too -- libclutter? [16:21] yes [16:21] seb128: if you want to work on this, please feel free; I earned a couple of other bugs, but I thought you already were on vac [16:22] pitti, I can do it if you want [16:22] pitti, no, I'm on vac thursday night [16:22] chr1sccoulson, which installer are you working on? there haven't been any API changes that could hit you [16:22] seb128: thanks, appreciated; handed over to you [16:22] pitti, thanks [16:22] seb128: I'm down to one remaining poppler rdepends \o/ [16:22] pitti, waouh [16:25] glatzor, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/ubufox/trunk/view/head:/modules/PluginInstallerApt.jsm [16:25] i rewrote our plugin installer for firefox a few weeks ago to use aptdaemon rather than apturl, and it used to work at some point :) [16:25] i'll try and figure out what's going on [16:48] seb128: phew, ported the remaining package; please let's call this _the_ poppler for precise :) [16:48] pitti, sure, until the next one :p [16:48] pitti, great job ;-) [16:48] lol [16:48] joke aside that should be the poppler for precise [16:49] API changes are one thing, but dropping API which half the world uses was a nasty move [16:49] I don't want to track an unstable version, especially knowing how poppler is "good" with api compatibilities [16:50] pitti, well I think they had to with gtk3 [16:50] yeah, dropping gdk2 vs. 3 bits [16:50] ah, no [16:50] it only really dropped Cairo [16:50] ignore me [16:50] they left cairo and dropped pixbuf [16:50] right [16:50] which is the gtk3 way ;-) [16:50] but gdk-pixbuf didn't change === mterry is now known as mterry_sprinting [17:32] hmmm, can anyone do anything involving aptdaemon? [17:32] i've just spent an hour trying to figure out why my plugin installer stopped working, before realizing that software-center also doesn't work [17:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/768094/ [17:32] :( [17:38] chrisccoulson, what do you get if you run "sudo aptd -d" while trying to use it? [17:39] james_w, http://paste.ubuntu.com/768103/ (same behaviour) [17:41] hmm, I was hoping for an obvious crash or something :-) [17:41] it looks like it's working ok there to me [17:41] glatzor and mvo would obviously be better able to help though === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [18:13] lool, do you still plan to upload gtk? ;-) [18:31] seb128: hello [18:32] hey desrt, how are you? [18:37] seb128: good. GMenuModel finally landed :) [18:38] desrt, yeah, I noticed, congrats ;-) [18:39] * desrt is doing a tarball now [18:39] hopefully we can get gtk wrapped up soon too [18:40] people are being less intensely-negative about the changes than i imagined :) [18:40] ;-) [19:00] seb128: I didn't get to it yet; happy if someone else does it though [19:00] I realized after starting that the UDD branch is out of date, failed to import the last couple of uploads or so [19:01] seb128: you still working? [19:02] or done for the evening? [19:57] desrt, in between ;-) [19:57] seb128: i was hoping to convince you to do a speedy build of the new glib [19:58] desrt, back from dinner, there is still a bunch of stuff I want to do then I will be semi offwork watching tv with the laptop still on ;-) [19:58] desrt, ok, I can do that [19:58] thanks :) [19:58] desrt, is there anything special you want to get tested? [19:58] * desrt is installing a precise VM now to try to get the menumodel stuff setup with unity [19:59] seb128: there is a somewhat concerning GDBus change... i'm not really sure how you'd test it though [19:59] other than that, it's almost entirely additions [19:59] desrt, dude, you could get a multiboot, it's not like it was hard on a modern disk to have 5G or free space for an Ubuntu install ;-) [19:59] seb128: but then i have to reboot.... how annoying. [19:59] ubuntu makes a pretty nice libvirt guest [19:59] it has all the optimised disk drivers and stuff preinstalled [20:00] desrt, in some ways I judge you for not having installed Ubuntu in a vm before :p [20:00] s/Ubuntu/precise/ [20:00] desrt, do you have a tarball or should I git clone? [20:01] seb128: the tarball is on the ftp already [20:01] desrt, oh, great, I'm on it [20:02] there's a system settings icon on the dash? [20:02] whose idea was that? :p [20:02] desrt, no there is not [20:02] desrt, in the launcher you mean? [20:02] er. ya [20:03] the thing on the side [20:03] desrt, user testing showed that the having it in the session indicator was still not good enough for half of the users [20:03] sarcastic joke terminology fail [20:03] lol [20:03] yeah yeah, nice try ;-) [20:06] the goal with gtk now is to be able to have menubars supported on unity with zero extra code app-side [20:06] so no patches, no modules [20:07] that will require changes to dx stack though righT? [20:07] yes [20:07] ie: introduction of GMenuModel support [20:07] and it will only be for apps that port to the new gtk api [20:08] ok, so not something to test today ;-) [20:08] no [20:08] but in the near future... [20:08] robert is planning to port all of the gnome games to the new API [20:08] desrt, well I guess that mean rally time [20:08] ya. quite possibly. [20:08] knowing that I'm off for the end of year in 3 days [20:09] hey. me too! [20:09] ;-) [20:09] wednesday is my last working day [20:09] desrt, well the difference is that I don't plan to use my holidays to work on freesoftware ;-) [20:09] anyway... we got gnome2 support working for gmenumodel [20:10] and macos support too (me and a mac-programmer friend had a mini-hackfest over the weekend) [20:10] the redhat guys are working on gnome-shell support [20:10] so my turn for unity, i guess [20:10] gnome2? like? [20:10] with the menus staying inside of the app [20:10] desrt, I though you were working on gnome-shell ;-) [20:10] well by reading some of the gtk channel discussions [20:10] i worked on it just enough to find out about the shortcomings in the gio API [20:10] i made the changes [20:10] now it will be easier for colin to do it, i think [20:11] there's a lot of thorny shell bits in there that he understands a lot better than i do [20:11] desrt, btw just for info we reverted the single include enforcement in Ubuntu [20:11] that means an extra glib patch for this cycle [20:11] what was it breaking? [20:11] over an hundred source builds during the armfh port according to doko [20:12] we just don't have the resources to deal with that before holidays [20:12] seb128: ask first, vendor patch second, please? [20:12] well he asked like when I wanted to go to bed some days ago, I did revert the commit, uploaded and went to bed [20:12] realising the scope of the problem we may have reverted the change ourselves [20:13] well it happens recently and I didn't see you since, I use the first obvious opportunity to do it ;-) [20:13] can you get me a list of affected packages somehow? [20:13] maybe we can change the #error to #warning or something [20:13] desrt, not today but doko said he can do a test rebuild [20:14] desrt, well it was a warning and deprecated since 2.18 or something, I guess the problematic source are lot of universe unmaintained stuff GNOME will not care about and say they should be fixed or dropped that it's not their issue [20:14] desrt, the main desktop was mostly fine, out of vala which doesn't respect single include ;-) [20:15] seb128: glib != gnome [20:15] desrt, yeah, sure, we can have the discussion, but I'm pretty sure that mclasen will reply that applications had plenty of time to update and that it's not glib issue to support all the cracks around ;-) [20:16] seb128: i'm not as sure as you are [20:17] and it's not like he's the only one with a say in the matter [20:17] desrt, well I didn't want to block the armfh rebuild but I will get a test rebuild and a list of broken source and then come upstream with it [20:17] seb128: please do [20:17] will do [20:18] not sure I ever understood the point of enforcing the single includes ;-) [20:18] seb128: it's so we can move functions between different .h files without breaking people's programs [20:19] when gtester was introduced we did a bunch of that (due to the overlap between asserts, logs messages and test functionality) and caused all sorts of breakage [20:20] seb128: and with the recent round of deprecations we've been moving deprecated headers to deprecated/ [20:20] that would break too [20:20] yeah, I'm fine telling people to not do it and get what their deserve on new series [20:20] well anyway an hundred is not too bad [20:20] seb128: nobody reads docs. you need it to break in the first place :) [20:21] hmmmmm [20:21] oh, are we back to the .xsession-errors flooded of warnings? ;-) [20:21] Sorry, the program "oneconf-query" closed unexpectedly [20:21] who to blame for that? :) [20:21] nobody, the man to blame is taking deserved holidays ;-) [20:21] call back next year ;-) [20:21] glad to hear about that [20:22] it's going to be quiet around next week! [20:22] the week after that as well ;-) [20:26] seb128: what are the typical sebuild<->archive latencies these days? [20:26] desrt, heh, you didn't ask me to upload to the archive, just to test! ;-) [20:27] i wanted an upload! [20:27] but if the timing is good ~1.5h [20:27] desrt, well it's building locally, I don't upload stuff I didn't test :p [20:27] but I can do an upload if it works [20:27] oh [20:27] who uploads gnome these days? [20:27] <- [20:27] oh. i parsed you incorrectly. [20:27] nvm. [20:28] ;-) [20:28] well helped by didrocks mterry_sprinting rodrigo pitti and others [20:28] but that was before didrocks was too busy with dx and taking holidays and mterry_sprinting was rotating or sprinting and ditching us ;-) [20:33] * desrt wonders how many different ways the string 'indicat' can be used in package names === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [20:39] the 'show menubar' option in gnome-terminal is kinda funny in unity [20:44] desrt, too many ways... tedg loves to torture me [20:51] mterry_sprinting, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707329 [20:51] Mozilla bug 707329 in Folder and Message Lists "Folder panel has no content" [Normal,New: ] [20:52] chrisccoulson, exactly. awesome :) [20:53] mterry_sprinting, i just had to look in my inbox. turns out that somebody upstream already subscribed me to it ;) [20:53] he [20:53] h [20:56] mterry_sprinting; what sprint? [20:59] desrt, integrating static code analysis into unity builds [20:59] sounds awesome [20:59] coverity? [20:59] desrt, yah [20:59] how does the licensing stuff work with that? [21:00] desrt, canonical has an internal license [21:00] so only canonical projects? [21:00]