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sammmWhy doesn't Ubuntu have Dolby Headphone support? I want to emulate 7.1 on my headphones on Linux, like I do on Windoze.00:08
HazRPGhey guys \o00:47
HazRPGanyone around to help me with my sound issues?01:11
HazRPGwould be much appreciated if someone could advise me as to what I'm doing wrong01:11
daftykinsHazRPG: wutcha up to?03:35
kalmantinahii04:18
kalmantinasomeone can help me04:18
daftykins?04:19
kalmantinawhat is the difference between rw,fsid=0,insecure,no_subtree_check,asyn AND rw,no_root_squash,async04:19
daftykinshmm not seen those parameters before04:19
daftykinslooked them up in "man mount" ?04:19
kalmantinai put them in /etc/export04:20
kalmantinathis is the /etc/export http://pastebin.com/r2vxxbzN04:20
kalmantina this is the error http://pastebin.com/pgvrGWLe04:20
daftykinsoh right NFS04:20
daftykinsnot used that before, might want to try #ubuntu for someone that might be awake :>04:21
kalmantinaI try in #NFS but thay tell me "you need to do some more homework"04:22
daftykinslol04:23
daftykinsnice people04:24
kalmantinahe he..04:24
daftykinssorry i can't be of any help, gotta head to bed now04:25
kalmantinanow you understand why Hans Reiser in jail..04:26
AlanBellmorning all08:13
TheOpenSourcererMorning :-)08:16
* Myrtti prods popey 08:18
DJonesMorning all08:26
hoovermorning all08:45
MooDoohello all08:46
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danfishmorning! Last Monday at work for over a month :D09:13
matttdanfish: lucky bugger!09:16
* danfish has an intense loathing of Mondays09:18
AlanBellhaters gonna hate09:18
MooDoodanfish: +1 then again i was working the weekend so not had a nice day in 309:19
mattthttp://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/haters-gonna-hate-7.jpg?w=500&h=37509:19
popeyMorning all09:44
bigcalmHola popey09:44
jpdspopey: Morning09:45
* popey waves to jpds 09:45
jpdsThis reminds me of a UDS.09:46
christelGood morning beauties09:46
popey:D09:46
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Guest47021anyone here working towards a technical degree?10:08
Guest47021or has one ?10:08
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czajkowskialoha10:16
brobostigonmorning czajkowski10:17
oimonghostwiz_: what do u mean by techniacl degree?10:18
ghostwiz_like EE, CS10:25
oimoni have maths+CS10:25
ghostwiz_something to do with technology or engineering10:25
ghostwiz_Well to employer decided to employen10:25
ghostwiz_oops10:25
ghostwiz_Do employers decided if to employ you based on your grade10:26
ghostwiz_for example, someone who has a 61% 2.1 vs someone with a 75% 2.110:26
czajkowskighostwiz_: some do, or at least ask for your award.10:26
ghostwiz_they're both 2.110:26
czajkowskiIntel IBM Google all ask10:26
oimonexperiences may differ wildly, but i've been involved in recruitment process for quite a few years and usually filter the 2:1 and above *from good unis* first10:26
czajkowskino they usually ask what award type10:27
oimona 2:2 from a good uni may be better than a 2:1 or 1st from a crummy one10:27
ghostwiz_Right I see10:27
oimonno one cares about %age , just what the degree certificate says10:27
oimon75% is a 1st10:27
aquariusghostwiz_, and nobody knows what actual score you got; you get a 2.1 or a first or whatever. I don't even know myself what scores I got.10:27
ghostwiz_oh right I see10:28
ghostwiz_75% isn't a forst at my uni10:28
ghostwiz_haha10:28
oimonwhut?10:28
oimonwhich uni?10:28
ghostwiz_UWE10:28
oimoni was top of my year with 75%10:28
czajkowskiit's not mine either as we go by QCA/GPA so to get a 1:1 you need A!'s from 2nd year onwards till the final exam10:29
oimon40% of my 2nd year went to the degree grade, which sucks a bit when you get to the summer of the final year and getting burned out :(10:31
ghostwiz_y first year doesn't count :(10:31
oimonthen i got a job and never took a break..year out would've been nice :)10:31
oimonfirst year is for work, party and sleep. 2nd year you can only choose 2.10:32
JamesTaitBuenos días a todos!10:32
ghostwiz_I hope I can get a job in the future10:33
ghostwiz_the economy doesn't look good10:34
ghostwiz_I am willing to travel anywhere10:34
popeymorning slackers10:50
hoovermorning10:50
popey:D10:50
bigcalmI look forward to wearing slacks10:51
gordonjcpbecause frankly seeing you in tights would just be disturbing10:53
davmor2morning all11:02
davmor2czajkowski: prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, hello11:03
bigcalmHi davmor211:03
davmor2morning bigcalm was that your better half with you at sans le noir?11:03
bigcalmdans11:04
bigcalmNo, Hayley had to stay at home11:04
bigcalmThe 2 ladies in the party were @therealpopey and @christel11:04
davmor2bigcalm: ah twas christel then11:05
bigcalmAye11:05
DJonesbigcalm: Were there any photo's from inside the restaurant, I wasn't expecting any because of the darkness and assuming that flash photography would be banned11:08
bigcalmNo, no sources of light are allowed11:09
DJonesI thought that would be the situation11:09
davmor2DJones: no you might notice that you have fish and chips from the chippy next door else11:10
bigcalmThe glowing starter was a hoot11:11
DJonesdavmor2: I've only ever had one meal in "darkness", that was on my honeymoon, romantic meal for two (there's a surprise) on a beach in mexico at about 9pm, sun had gone down, quite dark, only candles for lighting, I nearly threw up when the onion rings I was eating turned out be calamari11:13
oimondoes it glow when it leaves the other end too?11:13
DJonesTMI11:13
bigcalmpopey: are you changing g+ profiles?11:13
davmor2bigcalm: that was radioactive sushi from the recent nuclear power plant fallout right?11:15
* DJones wonders what naturally occuring food colouring glows in the dark11:16
bigcalmBioluminescent scallops iirc. AlanBell will remember more11:16
bigcalmDJones: a lot of sea things have natural bioluminescence11:17
popeybigcalm: I will when a migration tool appears11:17
davmor2DJones: there is also bioluminescent oil from certain fish that you can cook food in and it keeps the glow11:17
bigcalmpopey: Sounds sensible. g+ was confusing me by suggesting I add people I already have added11:18
DJonesbigcalm: davmor2: The only fish I eat is battered cod, I've never been a fan of seafood11:18
bigcalm:D11:18
bigcalmWell, in the dark you don't know what's on your plate11:19
oimonDJones: +111:19
davmor2DJones: ditto that and fish finger11:19
bigcalmSome people had shark. Wish I'd had it now11:19
oimon"fish" finger11:19
oimonhmm11:19
DJonesdavmor2: As long as they're cod fish fingers11:19
davmor2DJones: we are talking food not scut11:20
DJonesHeh11:20
bigcalmI'm happy to have fish fingers as I have solders with my boiled eggs. It's just a name :)11:22
oimonit's strange that people eat sea creatures willingly that bear a similarity to bush-tucker if they lived on land11:23
bigcalmKeep an open mind to all yummy things :)11:24
DJonesI'd agree with that, since I got married, I now eat brocolli and enjoy it :)11:25
bigcalmHahaha11:25
oimonradical11:25
popeymmmmm fish11:26
oimonvegeatables aren't really yummy, though are they?11:26
popeysome are11:26
popeysweet potatoes11:26
popeyparsnips11:26
DJonesoimon: They are with beef gravy on11:26
oimonand beef on the fork11:26
bigcalmCabbage11:27
popeysprouts!11:27
popeymmmmm sprouts with bacon11:27
DJonesYummy spouts11:27
bigcalmAll veg are yummy if prepared correctly.11:27
popeyexcept celery11:27
oimonand served with meat11:27
popeycelery is the work of the devil11:27
oimoncelery is nice with turkey and dips11:27
DJonesCelery with a bit of salt is lovely#11:27
popeyi could eat roast parsnips on their own11:27
bigcalmpopey: sprouts are yummy if moved directly from the plate to the bin without passing the mouth11:27
popeybleh11:27
popeyhaha11:28
popeyconsensus! We've heard of it!11:28
bigcalm:)11:28
gordi could eat a giant bowl of sprouts forever, they are wonderful11:28
bigcalmI loves me some roast parsnips11:28
oimonewww farty pants11:28
DJonesOne thing I love now is macaroni cheese, my wife does a home made one which tases amazing, all I'd had before was tinned and always smelt as though somebody had already eaten it11:31
chrisjrobmacaroni cheese cannot be bought or re-heated, it can only be made fresh at home11:32
chrisjrobIMHO11:32
chrisjroband I consider myself a connoisseur ;)11:32
AlanBellbigcalm: sprouts actually become edible if fried up in bacon11:33
AlanBellthen throw away the sprouts and eat the bacon11:33
bigcalmAlanBell: ooo, wonder if I can recommend this for the 25th11:33
bigcalm\o/11:33
danfishAlanBell beat me to it!11:33
DJonesJust mix some spouts and snails together11:33
bigcalmSnails are ok, if a little chewy11:34
DJonesSnails as a food item are just _wrong_11:34
* chrisjrob agrees with DJones 11:34
directhexnothing is forbidden. everything is permitted11:35
* chrisjrob bans things that create slime as foodstuffs11:35
popeydirecthex: +111:37
popeyEat everything _once_.11:37
bigcalm_everything_?11:37
DJonesAnd don't eat it a 2nd time once its been regurgitated :)11:38
directhexeat everything *twice*. it's too new to form a useful opinion the first time11:38
popeyMy daughter will try just about anything11:38
popeymy Son wont11:38
popeyhe will probably change tho11:38
bigcalmHayley doesn't like olives and yet she will try one every few years to see if her taste has changed. It never does yet she keeps checking11:41
gordonjcpbigcalm: heh11:42
oimoni didn't like olives till i used extra virgin olive oil11:42
bigcalmShe'll happily let me cook with olive oil though11:43
* mattt is hitting the monday morning brick wall11:51
davmor2popey: did you ever decide on a player for Sophie (/me hopes he got the name right)11:52
popeyyes11:52
popeyipod shuffle11:52
davmor2popey: fair enough :)11:52
oimondo shuffles have screens nowadays?11:54
oimonor they are designed for joggers11:54
bigcalmI take my joggler out jogging11:56
smittixMorning all11:56
bigcalmHullo :)11:56
smittixHow goes it?11:57
bigcalmSwimmingly11:57
smittixkool and the gang11:57
Myrttihm11:58
Myrttiwho's next on the list...11:58
davmor2Myrtti: Ah just put me in the naughty column and continue :)12:00
andylockranhow's things?12:03
brobostigonhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/17521020/9-DWP-Social-Security-Benefits-Uprating.pdf  might interest a few people, the proposed benefit rate changes, that were just published.12:08
awilkinsJust had a thought - would Unity benefit from a "summon window" method ; instead of switching to the workspace with a particular window, summon that window to the workspace you are looking at12:14
DaraelThat actually sounds like a kind of nifty feature for /any/ desktop with workspaces.12:15
DaraelPersonally, I think Compiz could use "move with window to specific workspace" bindings.  It can do "move to specific workspace", and it can do "move one workspace up/down/left/right/next/prev with window", but it can't combine the two.12:17
DaraelI'd like that because I tend to work on a 9x9 grid, with the workspaces mapped to ctl+alt+numpad.12:17
oimonadblock plus: “Allow non-intrusive advertising” option is enabled by default for all users but the ones using privacy filter lists12:20
oimonAs of Adblock Plus 2.0b.327712:20
gordonjcpDarael: 9x9?12:21
gordonjcpo_O12:21
Daraelgordonjcp: Um, I feel silly.  3x312:21
DaraelI feel even sillier that I didn't catch it.12:21
gordonjcpDarael: I thought that seemed a bit hardcore12:21
DaraelHey, seen what e16 was capable of?  Something ridiculous like 2048 sets of 16x16 each, wasn't it?12:22
smittixDoes anyone else have ultra slow usb transfer speeds in Ubuntu 11.10?12:22
gordonjcponly when I'm using a USB1 hub12:23
oimonwhich shops sell miniatures (alcoholic)?12:23
gordonjcpoimon: some "high end" off-licences, whisky shops12:24
oimonwould supermarkets sell them individually?12:24
gordonjcpthey might do12:24
gordonjcpJohn Lewis do12:25
oimonok ta12:26
oimonmaybe waitrose might then12:26
gordonjcpyeah that's not a bad idea12:26
BigRedS_1asda do, I think13:03
BigRedS_1which I always found odd13:03
Myrttitesco had some wines in relatively small bottles13:03
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DavieyAnyone here using nvidia binary drivers with oneiric?13:38
popeyyes13:40
popey^ Daviey13:40
popeyon my mbp13:40
popey(which I hate)13:40
Davieypopey: good stuff... Is nvidia biary still working with the latest kernel?13:40
Davieybinary*13:40
popeyLinux mbp 3.0.0-14-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 21 20:28:43 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux13:40
popeyis that latest?13:41
Davieyyah13:41
Davieyor the same version i have broken nvidia binary.13:41
popeyI switched from EFI to BIOS mode, so I get nVidia binary 'goodness'13:42
Davieyfrack.13:43
DavieySo it's just me.13:43
davmor2Daviey: Nvidia hates you hate it back work for me, oh that and I moved to ATI ;)13:46
Davieyhah13:47
christelDJones: it was quite painful for us, having to place laptops and mobiles in the lockers before going inside!13:48
matttchristel: so no photos then?13:49
* mattt jokes13:49
christelquite :P13:49
christelwell, they had infrared cameras13:49
christelso they could spy on bigcalm attempting to feel up AlanBell13:50
christel:o13:50
christel(pervs, the lot of them)13:50
MooDoochristel: i've just spat out my food thank you very much :p13:50
christel"they" being the restaurant13:50
christelMooDoo: haha i am sorry!13:50
MooDoo:D13:50
bigcalmchristel: damn right. Maybe I should apply to be freenode staff13:51
MooDoobigcalm: nah thay suck.....pardon the pub13:51
MooDoopun13:51
MooDoooh christel didn't see you there ;)13:51
* MooDoo waits for the kick/ban :D13:51
christelharr harr13:52
bigcalmI can vouch for christel and say that she is an angel and a delight to spend time with13:53
davmor2christel: why would blind people want to stare at a screen they can't see when they can just stand next to the table and listen in?13:53
christelhaha13:53
MooDoobigcalm: are you drunk?13:53
christelwell, the chef and the bar staff and the maitre'd's can see13:54
christelalso, our waiter ran away13:54
AlanBelloh my, what is going on now!13:54
bigcalmMooDoo: not right now, not. I did have a skin full after the meal though :D13:54
christelso me, doctormo and bigcalm were sat there shouting for him for like 10 mins13:54
christelattempting to order more drinks13:54
LaneyGAU!!!!!!!!!!13:54
davmor2christel: now I understand why he ran away :P13:55
christelhaha13:55
bigcalmI was exceedingly pleased that the pub we went to afterwards served ale in proper mugs13:55
christelhaha13:55
davmor2bigcalm: Calling yourself a proper mug is a bit harsh13:56
bigcalmHaha13:56
christelbadumtisch13:56
christeldavmor2 is my favourite.13:56
bigcalm"in" not "to" :P13:56
MooDoochristel: davmor2 ?  are you nuts?13:56
christelMooDoo: quite possibly!13:56
MooDoo:d13:56
davmor2christel: I think you meant to say instantrimshot.com13:56
christelquite!13:56
christelAlanBell: when can we come say hello to your chicks?13:57
MooDoocough splutter13:57
davmor2MooDoo: you should know everyone thinks I'm "special" just ask czajkowski13:58
MooDoodavmor2: czajkowski doesn't count as she's also special :D13:58
* davmor2 can't wait for czajkowski to check the channel and read that :D13:59
DJoneschristel: At least they let you put everything in a locker and wasn't like a coat room, ticket number 45 goes missing14:01
christeltrue!14:02
christeli had to entrust bigcalm with my locker key mind as i had no pockets14:02
MooDoodavmor2: special, spelt "g o r g e o u s"  :)14:03
* AlanBell checks the chick calendar14:03
bigcalmHehe14:03
davmor2christel: Could of been worse it might of been an Alan14:03
bigcalmchristel: the alternative was amusing14:03
AlanBellthursday or friday look good14:05
christeldarn! the boy child does childminder on a thursday and friday, however, i may grab him early on friday as we have a christmas do thing14:05
davmor2christel: You have shattered all my illusions I thought bras had pockets14:05
christeldavmor2: they were both full(!)14:06
MooDoodavmor2: my wife says they do, especially when she goes out, stores lollipops14:06
davmor2MooDoo: I was thinking more of the notes that disappear when women have no pocket visible14:06
MooDoodavmor2: no idea about that one :d14:07
bigcalm!info backup15:01
lubotu3Package backup does not exist in natty15:01
bigcalm!backup15:02
lubotu3There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning15:02
HoaxKeyHey all I am trying to add a tool tip to the column header of a column in a grid and cannot see how to do it, any suggestions?15:14
DaraelWe'll need a bit more context than that, HoaxKey - we have no idea what this grid is!15:15
mattthahaha15:15
mattti was just thinking the same15:15
dogmatic69wrong chan i would guess15:15
HoaxKeyloooooooooool15:15
HoaxKeyfailed to join extjs15:15
HoaxKeycheers guys :D15:15
mattt:)15:15
gordonjcpHoaxKey: that would do it15:16
Darael.u'i .ua *ahem* I mean, "heh, that explains that"15:16
* davmor2 tickles MooDoo and czajkowski and runs away15:35
christelczajkowski will get you.. you may run but you can't hide from her15:37
MooDoodavmor2: i'm bigger than you, pack it in15:37
davmor2MooDoo: Nope :P15:37
MooDoodavmor2: oi christel get im ;)15:37
oimoni wonder how out-of-date my harvest chewee bars need to be before i stop eating them15:38
oimonover 3 months out of date already15:38
davmor2christel: I'll stop when czajkowski is 100% then she might stand a chance of catching me :)15:38
christelhehe15:51
christelyou won't have long to go!15:51
MooDoodavmor2: perhaps you can chase christel in the meantime?15:52
christeli think he was running away, not chasing :o15:53
davmor2christel: I'm pretty sure I safe as long as I can run faster :)15:53
jutnuxAfternoon guys.15:53
christelah! but she may secretly be an antelope!15:54
davmor2MooDoo: why would I chase christel tickle maybe but not chase that's just wrong15:54
MooDoodavmor2: chase, rugby tackle to the floor, then tickle?15:54
davmor2MooDoo: No that's just wrong, it'll end in tears and possibly yours for suggesting it15:55
MooDooi can take the pain....just ask them in #likesalotofpainonfridays15:57
davmor2MooDoo: so why do you keep complaining when you get the short end of the stick on Fridays E:TOOMUCHPAIN!15:59
MooDoolol16:00
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christeltickles :(16:04
davmor2christel: No don't tickle sad face he may become :) and then how do we do :('s then?16:05
awilkinsI opened a flapjack that had been in my car for 5 years recently. I didn't eat it. Smelled wrong.16:08
awilkinsMy wife will throw food out the picosecond it goes "out of date"16:08
dogmatic69awilkins: that is too late...16:09
christeli do that :s16:10
bigcalmTut16:10
christelit drives gareth mad16:10
awilkinsWe have this fantastic diagnostic chemical lab attached to our face, specifically tuned for detecting spoilt food, and no-one uses it16:10
MooDoohe'll cope16:10
bigcalmchristel: good enough reason then ;)16:10
christelhaha16:10
bigcalmawilkins: I always sniff the milk (mostly out of habit). Even on the day of purchase16:11
awilkinsShe threw out a bottle of worcestershire sauce once... I had specifically bought the largest bottle I could find, because it gets better with age16:11
awilkinsAll that maturing time wasted :-(16:11
bigcalmOh my :(16:12
bigcalmThat's just wrong!16:12
awilkinsI'd had that sauce since uni16:12
bigcalmWS should have no date on it. Same way that wine doesn't16:12
dogmatic69bigcalm: my gf looks at me strange when i open a new milk and give it a sniff16:13
bigcalm:)16:14
DJonesSomebody from work bought some whisky the other week from waitrose, it'd been reduced to half price because it was near to its use by/sell by date..... Doesn't whisky mature the older it is16:14
dogmatic69nothing beats sour milk first thing in the morning16:14
awilkinsYes16:14
bigcalmIn a cask, yes16:14
dogmatic69DJones: not when its bottled16:14
DaraelDJones: Alcohol only really matures in a cask.  Once it's bottled, age makes little difference.16:14
davmor2dogmatic69: you need help16:14
awilkinsThe bottle life is basically infinite anyway16:14
awilkinsWell, long16:14
awilkinsWe have whisky we bought on our honeymoon16:15
jutnuxMy mum throws away mouldy bread16:15
jutnuxEven if there is just a little bit16:15
bigcalmSo will I16:15
dogmatic69only thing that will happen to spirits is the good parts (alcohol) evaporates16:15
bigcalmIf there's one spot of blue mould on a loaf, the whole thing goes16:15
awilkinsI always buy the wine that's on the yellow label on the grounds that it's ready to drink now..16:15
dogmatic69jutnux: one tiny green spot and its in the bin16:15
DJonesThats hwat I'd have expected though with whisky, it doesn't exactly go off if its 6 months older than its date16:15
awilkinsI pick out a fair margin AROUND the green spot16:15
awilkinsThe green patch is just the fruiting body, there are plenty of hyphae under the surface16:16
bigcalmThere will be mould spoors in the rest of the bag. It has to go16:16
bigcalmCheese is meant to be mouldy though :)16:16
DaraelITYM spores, bigcalm.  Spoors are something altogether different.16:16
dogmatic69i dont understand people that pay for and eat cheese that has gone off (blue cheese)...16:16
bigcalmDarael: it's possible but I don't care enough ;)16:17
awilkinsSpoor is poop (specifically poop you are using to track an animal)16:17
awilkinsBlue cheese is an acquired taste. I only acquire it after a few beers, a slap up dinner, and a large brandy.16:17
awilkinsOn the occasion, was in a casino - casino restaurants are ace - really cheap because they want to reap your cash on the tables.16:18
christelcasinos are bad16:18
christeli lose so much money whenever i go16:18
awilkinsExcellent salad, rump of lamp, dessert and a huge cheeseboard, £13 a head16:18
awilkinsI think I gambled the complimentary £5 chip they gave us with the package16:19
jutnuxI never used to like Soya milk, but I drank so much of it in the end I don't really notice.16:19
awilkinslamb, not lamp16:19
jutnuxStupid lactose intolerance, glad I can drink normal cows milk now though.16:19
Myrttipopey: ♥16:21
popeyhmm?16:24
* awilkins wonders if lactose intolerance is linked to geekiness ; had never considered it before watching Big Bang Theory16:25
jutnuxawilkins: Mine seemed to go away.16:26
awilkinsjutnux, People with secondary lactose intolerance can retrain their intestines to make lactase again16:29
awilkins(some)16:30
jutnuxOh. Sweet! It has left me with some other things though.16:30
s-foxHello.16:32
MooDoohello s-fox how the devil are you?16:33
s-foxBreathing. You?16:33
MooDoos-fox: barely that16:33
MooDoolo16:33
MooDoos-fox: so what's up with ya?16:34
s-foxMooDoo,  It is december. lol16:35
MooDoos-fox: not your cup of tea?16:35
s-foxEveryone has to pretend to be happy. Its depressing. ;)16:35
MooDoos-fox: so don't pretend ;)16:35
MooDoos-fox: :p16:36
gordonjcpbugrit16:37
s-fox+1 gord16:38
s-fox+1 gordonjcp16:38
gordonjcpso I'm going down to London on Wednesday, but apparently $work has already organised a hotel16:38
gordonjcp*and* the boss's son is coming with me, ostensibly to help with the driving16:38
jutnuxSo much revision needing to be done :-(16:38
czajkowskigordonjcp: is this good or bad16:39
gordonjcpczajkowski: well he drives like an idiot16:39
gordonjcpand he's the most boring mindless arse it's ever been my profound misfortune to be stuck with16:40
czajkowskilovely16:41
mgdmgordonjcp: you drive, you control stereo, you put on Future Sound of London?16:41
jutnuxgordonjcp: Pull out the HDSPA and talk to us ;)16:41
jutnuxthe phone with HDSPA*16:41
gordonjcpjutnux: well yeah16:41
jutnuxwhat is up with me :0*16:41
jutnux:-(16:41
gordonjcpmgdm: also part of the plan16:41
gordonjcpactually I'm going to download a couple of eps of Book of the Week from Radio 416:42
jutnuxCan't stand boring people16:42
gordonjcpoooh actually16:42
gordonjcpI *can* get out to Farnham16:42
gordonjcp'cos I can get John to drive me16:42
jutnuxAnyone doing anything unusual for christmas this year?16:44
s-foxFinding a bar and staying in it? :)16:45
gordonjcpfinding a new girlfriend and staying in... no, that's against channel guidelines16:46
jutnuxHaha.16:47
jutnuxAll bars near me are closed (not that I could buy anything from them, alcohol wise).16:47
christelhaha16:52
christelgordonjcp: yes! make him drive you to farnham16:53
christeli'll make AlanBell do an extra happy hour, just for you!16:53
bigcalmo.O16:53
christel(it'll be extra happy, see?)16:53
christelo.O's bigcalm16:53
Dave2ö16:54
bigcalmEep16:54
christelDave2: yesyes.16:54
AlanBellWednesday, hmm, working in Basingstoke, but should be back for pub o clock16:58
christel\o/17:02
awilkinsBars? At Christmas?17:05
* awilkins shudders17:05
awilkinsAlthough the last time I went on a pub crawl you could still smoke in a pub17:06
jutnuxYou can if you go in the smoking area ;)17:06
* awilkins avoids17:06
christelooh AlanBell, we should do a pubcrawl, i havent done a proper pubcrawl for aaages17:06
jutnuxI fail to see the point in smoking. Could anyone here (if they smoke) tell me why they do? Just wondering :-)17:07
jutnuxI live in an area where teenage pregnancy, unemployment, drugs and smoking is high for 13 year olds - so I see it a lot.17:08
jutnuxWhy is my grammar so bad tonight, I apologise!17:08
DaraelI don't smoke, but the majority of those I was at VIth form with for the last two years do.  Most of them seem to do it as a social activity.17:10
jutnuxMeh17:10
jutnuxI don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.17:10
* AlanBell checks calendar for Thursday17:11
AlanBellpubcrawl looks feasible, I wonder if popey can come out to play17:11
DaraelWhich is to say, just about nothing so long as they have anybody who cares at all about them, since even doing nothing would affect /them/.17:11
DaraelNo, jutnux?17:11
awilkinsI tried it once when I was about 2117:11
awilkinsOne puff, that is17:11
awilkinsI didn't see anything special about it17:12
popeyuhm17:12
jutnuxDarael, you know what I meant - I hope.17:12
awilkinsAlthough recently I've been wondering if getting a nicotine inhaler or electronic cigarette would assist concentration17:12
AlanBellpopey: wondering about Farnham on Wednesday night is the plan so far17:12
Daraeljutnux: I appreciate the sentiment, but I also know that one can find harm to someone if one follows /any/ action far enough.17:13
AlanBellwandering even17:13
awilkinsMy father was unable to give up permanently, even after they drained a pint of fluid out of his chest cavity17:13
Daraels/know/suspect/17:13
awilkinsThat turned out to be the pancreatitis from his chronic boozing though :-S17:13
jutnuxDarael: Yes, I agree.17:13
popeyAlanBell: this wednesday17:14
jutnuxIn 3 years I'll have to come to one ;)17:14
popey?17:15
AlanBellpopey: yeah, day after tomorrow17:15
* jutnux has tea, be back soon.......17:17
popeymaybe17:17
popeyneed to check with moonbase alpha17:17
bigcalmOh, I see a new meeting date has been arranged. Will we remember? ;)17:18
DJonesA thursday at 12:00, thats an unusual time17:23
AlanBellit is17:23
AlanBellthe idea is to get different people along, there are some who can't sit on IRC in the evening17:24
DJonesIs that using the idea that people are more likely to be around and not doing something productive17:24
DJonesmost of us will be in work/college, so not being productive :)17:25
bigcalmDJones: shhh, stop describing my daily irc activity17:25
DJonesbigcalm: I was just talking about me17:26
DJonesBut using the "us" to not draw attention to myself17:26
AlanBellDJones: well I don't know if it is more people, but it might be different people, so if we keep shuffling it about a bit there will be more people involved in total17:26
bigcalmGood thinking17:27
DJonesAlanBell: Its a good iea, I think its more likely to bring in more people, evenings do seem to have gotten quiet on IRC lately17:27
DJoness/iea/idea17:27
DaraelThursday at noon UTC... why, that puts it at 17:30 IST, conveniently in the evening for me to drop in!17:28
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czajkowskialoha18:00
jutnuxczajkowski: \o18:00
davmor2czajkowski: prod18:00
* czajkowski glares at MooDoo and davmor2 special eh lads18:01
* christel tickles laura18:01
christelhullu my pretty18:01
davmor2czajkowski: I didn't say you were special I argued that you'd beat him for that I said I was special :P18:02
czajkowskichristel: darling how are you18:02
gordi'm special :(18:02
davmor2no gord the term was "Special"18:02
christelczajkowski: not at all bad! :)18:03
davmor2christel: but by the sounds of picking on bigcalm not all good either infact part evil Muhahahahahahaha!18:04
christeloh, he is for picking on i believe18:04
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Nicholas Skaggs Joining The Canonical Community Team - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/12/nicholas-skaggs-joining-the-canonical-community-team/18:05
* bigcalm eyes up christel18:05
christel:P18:06
s-foxTime to go. Goodbye.18:06
jutnux\o s-fox18:08
jutnuxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LjxaK-dVugs18:12
jutnuxhttp://youhavedownloaded.com18:16
popeyheh, seen that in numerous IRC channels now18:17
Azelphurpopey: the funny part is it says it has no records on me :D18:17
Azelphurpopey: or any records for my static IP on the previous ISP I used xD18:18
DaraelI think they have a list of torrents, and they grab the list of IPs in the swarm for those torrents from maybe four or five trackers.  The result is that they miss a lot.18:21
jutnuxIf you use the bay where the pirates lounge then you wont be on there. They gave up on trackers a longggggggg tiem ago.18:39
jutnuxI think they use DHT now18:39
DaraelDHT rather requires that one is using a tracker for at least one torrent, in order to discover another peer and thus get ahold of the hash table.  No?18:40
jutnuxI have no idea.18:42
davmor2czajkowski: by the way Hello18:42
* czajkowski kicks davmor2 on her way out 18:42
czajkowskitoodles my dear : )18:42
davmor2czajkowski: you can't good you only just got here18:44
jutnuxczajkowski: How do you actually pronounce your nick?18:45
czajkowskiChi Kov Ski18:45
jutnuxAh thanks18:46
jutnuxWhenever I see it I keep running through my head how to pronounce it.18:46
czajkowskiit's just like the russian Tchaikovsky18:46
davmor2jutnux: I'll tell you really czajkowski is pronounced OI!18:46
jutnuxThe composer?18:47
davmor2jutnux: that's the one18:47
czajkowskijutnux: aye18:47
czajkowskihttp://www.bfi.org.uk/whatson/bfi_southbank/events/previews_in_conversation/look_around_you_robert_popper_peter_serafinowicz  looking forward to this18:57
Paul2hello19:08
Paul2I know ubuntu have experience of running irc meetings. any comments/advice/whatever. wiki.ubuntu doesnt have much on the acutally running of them instead of the minutes19:09
davmor2Paul2: how do you mean?19:12
Paul2how do you stop a dozen people all chatting at once? I supose liberal use of mute etc19:13
gordonjcpPaul2: same way you do in a physical meeting19:17
AlanBellhi Paul2, we have a guide that might help19:18
Paul2I saw there was that bot. I guess that helps19:18
AlanBellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Meeting/Guidelines19:18
Paul2Still doesn't stop distractions, tangents, bikeshedding etc19:18
AlanBellyeah, that is the chair's job19:18
AlanBelllike in real life19:19
Paul2fair enough :)19:19
AlanBellthe chair is responsible for timekeeping and keeping people focussed19:19
Paul2well it seemed to work well enough in real life. Now just got to apply it to IRC.19:19
AlanBellyou need to have an agenda, and a chair19:20
Paul2Just concerned that people who actually turn up in real life have made a commitment in time and effort to be there and get something done. Whereas anyone can join IRC and put their 5000 word 2pence into the convo19:20
Paul2we'll see how it goes :)19:20
AlanBellyou can mute people if they are disruptive, or let them rant away, the nice thing is that someone trying to dominate a conversation can't actually stop anyone else from saying stuff19:21
AlanBellwhereas they can in real life19:21
Paul2in real life you sigh loudly and offer to get a round in, ignoring that person. :D19:23
Paul2but cheers :)19:23
jutnuxCan anyone join the Ubuntu meetings?19:24
Azelphuryep19:24
AlanBelljutnux: most global teams meet in the #ubuntu-meeting channel, we have the #ubuntu-uk-meeting channel for our meetings19:27
jutnuxOh right, cool.19:28
AlanBelland yeah, everyone is welcome to both19:28
jutnuxWill have to sit in on one everyday.19:28
AlanBell!fridge19:29
lubotu3The Fridge is the Ubuntu's Community News website, and can be found at http://fridge.ubuntu.com19:29
AlanBellhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ meeting calendars here19:29
MartijnVdSPeople who hang out on there are fridge magnets?19:29
daubersEvening19:30
jutnuxdaubers \o19:30
MartijnVdS\o19:30
AlanBellMartijnVdS: that seems only logical19:31
* daubers waits for the toad in the hole to cook \o/19:31
* MartijnVdS learned some Cisco stuff today19:31
MartijnVdS"Turn off port security"19:31
daubersMartijnVdS: Cisco stuff is a little odd19:31
MartijnVdSdaubers: I see the point of "port security" (maximum number of MACs per switch port)19:32
MartijnVdSbut not when I'm trying to install access points :)19:32
MartijnVdS"Why does only the first client get an IP?)19:32
jacobwErgh19:32
MartijnVdSjacobw: my thoughts exactly :)19:34
mgdmMartijnVdS: heh heh, seen that19:35
MartijnVdSmgdm: it's very confusing.. and the guy who manages the ciscos wasn't on-site19:36
MartijnVdSmgdm: also, the server room has no 3g/gsm coverage 8-(19:36
mgdmbah19:36
* mgdm did a CCNA a few years ago19:36
mgdmevery now and again, it becomes useful19:36
Dave2do they teach you how to use IOS?19:37
MartijnVdSmgdm: I can imagine19:37
mgdmYes19:37
mgdmI'm slightly surprised Cisco didn't react a bit more when Apple decided on that name19:37
MartijnVdSmgdm: IBM didn't respond to PS2 either19:40
* daubers had a CCNA until recentl19:41
daubersy19:41
daubersmgdm, thry did, apple licence it I think19:42
Dave2Especially after the whole iPhone thing.19:42
jutnuxAnyone here have a system76 machine?19:45
MarquessDeBonBonDave2, my old friend.19:46
MartijnVdSooh new Infinitte Monkey Cage19:46
jutnuxHello MarquessDeBonBon \o19:46
MarquessDeBonBonAnybody watching the Man Shitty - Chelski game?19:47
jacobwTIMC is great :)19:53
jutnuxWhat is the score so far MarquessDeBonBon?19:54
MarquessDeBonBon0 - 019:55
MarquessDeBonBonThough to be fair the match hasn't started yet.19:55
jutnuxOh, HAHAHHA.19:56
jacobwjutnux: they're well priced even cosidering the cost to ship them to the UK19:59
jutnuxI thought they seemed a little expensive.20:00
jutnuxMight have to look again.20:00
jacobwjutnux: you can get a machine equivilent to a £1500 thinkpad for £80020:01
jacobwjutnux: that's including shipping20:01
* jutnux has a look20:01
jutnuxSo you can20:03
jutnuxWoah20:03
jutnux16gb machine20:03
jutnuxi7 quad core20:03
jutnux£72320:03
MartijnVdScheap20:03
jutnuxIndeed20:05
jutnuxDefinitely getting my next machine off of there20:07
jutnuxif I don't build it myself20:07
MarquessDeBonBoni7 quad-core = huge waste of money unless you're transcoding.20:10
MarquessDeBonBonA quad-core i5 is as fast in all but a few niche tasks.20:11
jutnuxUmhm.20:11
jutnuxI don't think I'd need 16gb of ram either20:11
jutnux8gb would be fine20:11
jacobwsomeone on #ubuntu-uk saying you can have too much computing power?20:11
jacobwthis is odd20:11
MarquessDeBonBonjacobw: he's obviously trying to run Unity.20:11
jacobwhaha20:11
davmor2bar them kick them off the channel now20:12
MarquessDeBonBonFor that he needs 8x Westmere-EX 10-core CPUs with 384gb of RAM and 4x GTX 580s all submerged in LN2..20:12
jutnuxHahaha.20:12
jutnuxTake it you both dislike Unity ;)20:13
* DJones o ps up & kicks jacobw :)20:13
MarquessDeBonBonCareful20:13
MarquessDeBonBonjutnux = Mark Shuttleworth20:13
DJonesFor suggesting that unity won't run on a 386SX20:13
MarquessDeBonBonWon't it? :o20:13
DaraelIt probably will, but that's not to say it'll run usably fast.20:13
jutnuxHahaha.20:14
MarquessDeBonBon16gb of RAM is overkill. I built a 12gb system a year ago, and I rarely use even 6gb.20:14
ali1234none of ubuntu will run on even a i586 machine20:14
jacobw8gb of ram sounds ridiculous enough to me20:14
DJonesOnly with a user upgrade to control the system upgrade20:14
Daraelali1234: A fair point, that, actually.20:14
MarquessDeBonBon8gb means you never have to swap to disk.20:14
ali1234currently using 14 of 16GB here20:14
MarquessDeBonBonali1234, doing what?20:15
jutnuxWhat are you running o.020:15
DJonesMust say, my 4gb machine has never used swap even transcodeing video20:15
ali1234firefox20:15
MarquessDeBonBonHahaha20:15
DaraelThe more RAM one has, the more swap is necessary if one wishes to hibernate at any point.20:15
MarquessDeBonBonI was about to say the most memory-hungry app I run is Firefox.20:15
jutnuxHAHHAHAHAH20:15
DJonesali1234: thats what you get trying to cache google.com :)20:15
jutnuxGot to love Chromium20:15
MarquessDeBonBonFirefox routinely uses 2gb on my Windows machine.20:15
* jacobw doesn't love chromium20:15
davmor2no thunderbird makes firefox look like a rank amateur20:16
MarquessDeBonBonEven the likes of Skyrim (I play on High, 2560x1440) only use 1gb.20:16
ali1234transcoding doesn't use ram, neither does games20:16
MarquessDeBonBon...20:16
ali1234whtat uses up ram is badly coded programs that try to reimplement swap memory and disc caching20:16
MarquessDeBonBonI'll tell you what uses RAM: databases.20:17
MarquessDeBonBonAnd games...20:17
davmor2transcoding and and games use CPU time not so much memory20:17
jacobwand ewes :p20:17
MarquessDeBonBonTranscoding not so much since it's all done on the graphics card or GPU now.20:17
ali1234lolno20:17
davmor2jussi: you there?20:18
MarquessDeBonBonDo you know what QuickSync is? Probably not.20:18
MarquessDeBonBonThere's also Badaboom.20:18
* jacobw ponders another episode of 'house' vs studying python20:19
ali1234none of that stuff works on linux20:20
DJonesjacobw: Having seen an occasional episode of House, I'd say studying python wins20:20
ali1234if you install a patched mplayer you can get h264 playback in hardware on nvidia20:21
davmor2MarquessDeBonBon: I'm assuming those are Windows apps20:21
ali1234that's about it20:21
MarquessDeBonBondavmor2: yes.20:23
popeyali1234: didnt think you needed patched mplayer20:24
popeyI dont use patched mplayer here for it, just install libvdpau20:25
ali1234the one in the repos only does mpeg2 last time i checked20:25
ali1234ie dvd20:25
popeyi have done it recently on my revo20:25
popey11.1020:25
ali1234well that's progress at least20:26
davmor2night all20:27
zleaphi20:28
gordmplayer has done h264 vdpau support for a long long time20:28
zleapI have just tried to install the foomatic-db package and clicking apply it wants to Remove Ubuntu-desktop20:29
jutnuxProcrastination :-(20:29
zleap?20:29
MartijnVdSgord: va-api > vdpau imho20:29
MartijnVdSgord: as it also works on other chips than nvidia20:29
gordMartijnVdS, i don't care, i only get nvidia ;)20:30
MartijnVdSI'm never buying nvidia every again :)20:30
gordeverything else is terrible, bad drivers, bad chips. ew.20:30
ali1234nvidia drivers are pretty bad20:30
MartijnVdSIntel's are the least worst20:31
gordi work with these drivers every day, i fight with them. nvidia works 99% of the time how you expect, the rest are terrible20:31
gordintel among the worst offenders, just because they are open source doesn't mean they are good20:31
gordintel flat out lie20:31
MartijnVdSgord: except when you're a user and not a 3d/gl dev20:31
ali1234why is unity-2d so much faster on nvidia then?20:31
MartijnVdSgord: nvidia and ati break on EVERY upgrade20:31
gordwell that will depend on your chipset and system, but unity-2d uses 2d acceleration so i would expect it to be rather nippy20:32
ali1234every time i click on the spread in unity i get a 5 second delay20:32
ali1234and dragging windows is really laggy too20:32
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jutnuxWorks fine for me20:35
jacobw1 datapoint20:36
ali1234popey: what energy monitor do you have?22:01
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mgdmo_O22:05
bigcalmmgdm: I did a horrible thing. IRC bot in PHP22:09
mgdmbigcalm: you're not the first :)22:10
mgdmnot that that makes it less evil22:11
bigcalm:D22:11
bigcalmI'm proud of my little achievement. At least it was a learning experience22:11
mgdmwotsit do?22:14
bigcalm!info tig22:15
tigInfo about tig: Twitter IRC Gateway. Written by bigcalm in PHP. Modular addons are welcome.22:15
lubotu3tig (source: tig): ncurses-based Git repository browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.16-2 (natty), package size 204 kB, installed size 528 kB22:15
bigcalmHaha22:15
mgdmhehe22:16
bigcalmThe original intention was for it to gate tweets for various minecraft people to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft. The bot I was using (written by dg in perl) didn't handle IRC and Twitter hickups very well, so decided to write my own22:16
gordthink i figured out a new drinking game, watch a bbc nature documentary, drink whenever you see an ubuntu release. this may explain why its not precice penguin, we would all die from alcohol poisoning22:16
bigcalmIn the process of writing it, I found the best way was to make it modular. Thus it now also does factoids22:17
bigcalm!info popey22:17
tigInfo about popey: (born January 8, 1935) was one of the most popular American singers of the 20th century. A cultural icon, he is widely known by the single name Elvis. He is often referred to as the "King of Rock and Roll" or simply "the King".22:17
lubotu3Package popey does not exist in natty22:17
bigcalmgord: you just want an excuse for a drink ;)22:18
gordalways22:18
gordhave you seen how many penguins are in frozen planet though? its a lot22:18
bigcalmTesco are selling a lovely mulled ginger wine. Might have me another glass tonight22:19
bigcalmBottle doesn't last long, good job it's only 2.9922:19
bigcalmI might have to add cowsay to tig next22:22
bigcalmWow...22:27
bigcalmcowsay -l | grep -v "^Cow" | sed -e "s% %\n%g" | sed -e "s%\(.*\)%cowsay -f \1 Now I am a \1%" | sh | less22:27
bigcalm!learn cowsay = cowsay -l | grep -v "^Cow" | sed -e "s% %\n%g" | sed -e "s%\(.*\)%cowsay -f \1 Now I am a \1%" | sh | less22:30
tigI now know that cowsay = cowsay -l | grep -v "^Cow" | sed -e "s% %\n%g" | sed -e "s%\(.*\)%cowsay -f \1 Now I am a \1%" | sh | less22:30
lubotu3bigcalm: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)22:30
tigThis information can be retrieved with: !info cowsay22:30
tigIf you need to remove it, use: !forget cowsay22:30
bigcalm!info cowsay22:30
tigInfo about cowsay: cowsay -l | grep -v "^Cow" | sed -e "s% %\n%g" | sed -e "s%\(.*\)%cowsay -f \1 Now I am a \1%" | sh | less22:30
lubotu3cowsay (source: cowsay): A configurable talking cow. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.03+dfsg1-3 (natty), package size 19 kB, installed size 280 kB22:30
Azelphurbigcalm: what does all that do? :P22:34
bigcalmAzelphur: install cowsay and find out :)22:34
Azelphur:P22:35
bigcalmIt's safe22:35
Azelphurindeed, :D22:36
AlanBelljust found a coil of solder from Tandy, 40% lead22:46
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exobuzzAlanBell, good for the brain22:50
gordonjcpAlanBell: ah, the good stuff22:52
gordonjcpI wonder when the environmental lobby are going to get round to banning lead-free solder?22:52
AlanBellwindow 5623:36
bigcalmThat's a lot of windows23:37
AlanBellwasn't the highest either23:37
bigcalmOh my23:37
AlanBelltop score right now is my aquarius window at number 7023:37
AlanBellor bottom score, depending on how you look at it23:38
ubuntubhoyI do well to remember 7 windows, never mind 7023:45
Laneyadv_windowlist \o/23:48
funkyHatI have bindings for windows up to 10023:52
funkyHatHighest window right now is 67 though (and there are a lot of gaps)23:53
jacobwwhat are you talking about?23:55
AlanBelljacobw: irssi window numbers (it is an IRC client)23:56

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