/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/12/#ubuntu-za.txt

sakhimorning06:50
Squirmhello06:50
inetprogood mornings06:52
RootChaosave07:58
Kiloshiya superfly and others08:18
RootChaoshi Kilos08:41
Kiloshi there RootChaos 08:41
RootChaoswhats happening on this fine monday ?08:42
superflyhi Kilos, RootChaos08:42
Kiloswell, the sun is still shining08:42
RootChaosyeah, and the end of the year is in sight08:43
RootChaosi dont feel much like doing anything at this stage08:43
Kiloshaha08:43
Kilosholiday fever has hit you08:44
Kilosyou gotta do something08:44
Kiloslike breathe08:44
RootChaosthats about all i want to do08:45
Kiloshehe08:45
cocooncrashProtip: Don't try to use KDE in Oneiric.08:54
Kilosthats gonna break some hearts09:00
superflycocooncrash: very buggy?09:00
cocooncrashsuperfly: It's an unmitigated disaster.09:01
cocooncrashkmail is basically unusable.09:01
cocooncrashThe taskbar icons get smaller and smaller.09:01
cocooncrashAmarok just lost all my statistics.09:01
cocooncrashAkonadi uses lots of CPU all the time.09:02
superflycocooncrash: I've moved to Thunderbird. Akonadi is a pile of rubbish, and KMail2 decided to use it09:02
superflycocooncrash: yeah, same issues here09:02
cocooncrashYeah, going to have to move to something else.09:02
superflycocooncrash: I've mostly managed to get the taskbar to stick to the biggest size by playing with the options09:07
superflyAnd I'm looking at alternate music players to Amarok, cause it just sits at 100% CPU and does nothing09:08
cocooncrashOh, and kmail even looses messages.09:09
Kilosbbl09:16
superflyAnyone know where I can get a fax machine from?09:29
superfly(rhetorical question)09:29
* cocooncrash sets up Thunderbird09:30
cocooncrashLightning looks pretty nice10:22
Kerberojip it is ok10:53
* inetpro been using Thunderbird with lightning for some time11:45
inetprococooncrash: there's still some effort needed to make it perfect but it's good enough at this stage for general use11:46
inetprothe nice thing about Thunderbird is that you can switch to any platform and keep using the same app11:54
inetpros/platform/platform or distribution/11:55
superflyThunderbird's default are a little stupid though... why do I want my new e-mails at the bottom of the list?11:55
inetprosuperfly: hmm... that has never bothered me because I've always copied my profile across with all it's settings for some time11:56
superflyinetpro: this is the first time I'm using Thunderbird in YEARS11:56
superflyI changed over to KMail when KDE was still 3.511:57
inetprosuperfly: I do remember a few settings that need changing, so I might agree with you11:58
Kerberojip, i agree with that11:59
Kerberothe default is not nice11:59
Kerberoone thing that really bothers me about thunderbird is the shortcuts12:00
Kerberowhen thunderbird has focus and not xchat and i start to type12:00
inetproBTW, I love the quicktext addon12:00
Kerberoeverything goes heywire12:00
Kerberoinetpro: are you talking about that quick search thingy?12:01
inetproKerbero: no12:01
Kerberoo12:01
Kerberoaddon12:01
Kerberohmm12:01
Kerberowhat does it do?12:01
inetproSee: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/quicktext/12:02
inetproan extension for Thunderbird that lets you create templates that can be easily inserted into your own emails12:02
Kerberointeresting12:04
Kerberonewer thought about doing it that way12:04
Kerberobut it can be really useful12:04
inetproas an example after starting a new message and having set the To address I press Alt+1 and it will insert Hi X12:05
inetprowith X being the firstname of the person 12:05
Kerberocan it change the from address too?12:05
Kerberothat is another thing that i actually need12:05
inetprochange from address?12:06
Kerberoi want thunderbird to reply from the address someone sent the mail to12:06
Kerberoand disregard the account's real address12:06
Kerberoyeah12:06
Kerberoif you have your own domain12:06
Kerberoand *@yourdomain is farwarded to one address12:06
inetproif you setup multiple accounts Thunderbird can let you choose the from address12:08
superflyYou don't even need to do that... just set up multiple identities12:11
zerefo0o0, mircosoft tried to by facebook for 15 billion15:24
zeref*buy15:26
Squirmlol15:29
zereffrom 12.04 ubuntu LTS will be supported for 5 years :-)17:19
superflyWindows people... they don't like to learn.18:42
nuvolarithey like to struggle in the "known"18:54
nuvolariI simply won't be able to survive in windows space18:54
nuvolariin terms of getting applications installed, linux package management just beats the other systems hands down18:56
JabberwockyA19nevermind "don't like to learn" most Windows users I know don't like to buy.19:14
JabberwockyA19I think if windows' anti-piracy worked properly there would be a lot more linux users19:14
zerefhmmm19:27
zerefjust wondering what if microsoft went open source19:31
zerefwith windows19:31
Kerberolol19:33
Kerberoit will be scrapped for something better asap19:33
zerefLOL19:36
zerefwould peeps then move back to windows19:37
Kerberoi doubt it 19:37
Kerberothey will likely move away i think19:37
Kerberoeveryone is going to hack in his own thing19:39
Kerberoand in the end it is going to be one big mess19:39
Kerberowhereas linux will then still be well maintained19:39
Kerberoso they will move to linux19:39
Kerberofor stability19:39
zerefyeah, plus i think peeps would no tlike to re-invent code, when solutions are there already19:40
Kerberojip19:41
Kerberothe current linux based programs might be ported to windows19:41
Kerberobut still19:41
Kerberoeveryting will just work perfectly on linux19:42
Kerberoand imagine all the virusses19:42
zerefthe horror19:43
Kerberoif that happens there is a lot of money to be made19:43
Kerberohmm19:44
zerefone bonous would be games 19:44
zeref(wine)19:44
Kerberoyeah19:44
Kerberoindeed19:44
Kerberothey would definitely opt for the linux base system then19:44
Kerberowould be much more stable19:44
Kerberobut wine too yes19:45
Kerberocode stealing :D19:45
zerefxD19:46
JabberwockyA19in light of the discussion above, it's kind of ironic that ReactOS is "borrowing" code from wine ;-)20:55
Kerberohehe20:56
Kerberoit is indeed20:56
Kerberothey should just help develop wine20:57
JabberwockyA19another project linux unified kernel, enough cursing for one day though21:01
* JabberwockyA19 should go wash his tongue21:02
Kerberoo021:02
Kerberolol21:02
Kerberoi have only used reactos once very quickly21:03
Kerberocan one actually run linux applications on it?21:03
JabberwockyA19LUK and ReactOS are two separate projects21:04
Kerberoahh ok21:05
Kerberowell that is actually useful21:05
Kerberounlike reactos21:05
Kerberoi really don't see the point of reactos21:06
JabberwockyA19if reactos had better gpu support I would've used it to play old games as an alternative to dosbox21:09
JabberwockyA19having wine run in kernel space should provide increased performace etc, albeit I'll be to scared to use it21:09

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