[06:50] morning [06:50] hello [06:52] good mornings [07:58] ave [08:18] hiya superfly and others [08:41] hi Kilos [08:41] hi there RootChaos [08:42] whats happening on this fine monday ? [08:42] hi Kilos, RootChaos [08:42] well, the sun is still shining [08:43] yeah, and the end of the year is in sight [08:43] i dont feel much like doing anything at this stage [08:43] haha [08:44] holiday fever has hit you [08:44] you gotta do something [08:44] like breathe [08:45] thats about all i want to do [08:45] hehe [08:54] Protip: Don't try to use KDE in Oneiric. [09:00] thats gonna break some hearts [09:00] cocooncrash: very buggy? [09:01] superfly: It's an unmitigated disaster. [09:01] kmail is basically unusable. [09:01] The taskbar icons get smaller and smaller. [09:01] Amarok just lost all my statistics. [09:02] Akonadi uses lots of CPU all the time. [09:02] cocooncrash: I've moved to Thunderbird. Akonadi is a pile of rubbish, and KMail2 decided to use it [09:02] cocooncrash: yeah, same issues here [09:02] Yeah, going to have to move to something else. [09:07] cocooncrash: I've mostly managed to get the taskbar to stick to the biggest size by playing with the options [09:08] And I'm looking at alternate music players to Amarok, cause it just sits at 100% CPU and does nothing [09:09] Oh, and kmail even looses messages. [09:16] bbl [09:29] Anyone know where I can get a fax machine from? [09:29] (rhetorical question) [09:30] * cocooncrash sets up Thunderbird [10:22] Lightning looks pretty nice [10:53] jip it is ok [11:45] * inetpro been using Thunderbird with lightning for some time [11:46] cocooncrash: there's still some effort needed to make it perfect but it's good enough at this stage for general use [11:54] the nice thing about Thunderbird is that you can switch to any platform and keep using the same app [11:55] s/platform/platform or distribution/ [11:55] Thunderbird's default are a little stupid though... why do I want my new e-mails at the bottom of the list? [11:56] superfly: hmm... that has never bothered me because I've always copied my profile across with all it's settings for some time [11:56] inetpro: this is the first time I'm using Thunderbird in YEARS [11:57] I changed over to KMail when KDE was still 3.5 [11:58] superfly: I do remember a few settings that need changing, so I might agree with you [11:59] jip, i agree with that [11:59] the default is not nice [12:00] one thing that really bothers me about thunderbird is the shortcuts [12:00] when thunderbird has focus and not xchat and i start to type [12:00] BTW, I love the quicktext addon [12:00] everything goes heywire [12:01] inetpro: are you talking about that quick search thingy? [12:01] Kerbero: no [12:01] o [12:01] addon [12:01] hmm [12:01] what does it do? [12:02] See: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/quicktext/ [12:02] an extension for Thunderbird that lets you create templates that can be easily inserted into your own emails [12:04] interesting [12:04] newer thought about doing it that way [12:04] but it can be really useful [12:05] as an example after starting a new message and having set the To address I press Alt+1 and it will insert Hi X [12:05] with X being the firstname of the person [12:05] can it change the from address too? [12:05] that is another thing that i actually need [12:06] change from address? [12:06] i want thunderbird to reply from the address someone sent the mail to [12:06] and disregard the account's real address [12:06] yeah [12:06] if you have your own domain [12:06] and *@yourdomain is farwarded to one address [12:08] if you setup multiple accounts Thunderbird can let you choose the from address [12:11] You don't even need to do that... just set up multiple identities [15:24] o0o0, mircosoft tried to by facebook for 15 billion [15:26] *buy [15:29] lol [17:19] from 12.04 ubuntu LTS will be supported for 5 years :-) [18:42] Windows people... they don't like to learn. [18:54] they like to struggle in the "known" [18:54] I simply won't be able to survive in windows space [18:56] in terms of getting applications installed, linux package management just beats the other systems hands down [19:14] nevermind "don't like to learn" most Windows users I know don't like to buy. [19:14] I think if windows' anti-piracy worked properly there would be a lot more linux users [19:27] hmmm [19:31] just wondering what if microsoft went open source [19:31] with windows [19:33] lol [19:33] it will be scrapped for something better asap [19:36] LOL [19:37] would peeps then move back to windows [19:37] i doubt it [19:37] they will likely move away i think [19:39] everyone is going to hack in his own thing [19:39] and in the end it is going to be one big mess [19:39] whereas linux will then still be well maintained [19:39] so they will move to linux [19:39] for stability [19:40] yeah, plus i think peeps would no tlike to re-invent code, when solutions are there already [19:41] jip [19:41] the current linux based programs might be ported to windows [19:41] but still [19:42] everyting will just work perfectly on linux [19:42] and imagine all the virusses [19:43] the horror [19:43] if that happens there is a lot of money to be made [19:44] hmm [19:44] one bonous would be games [19:44] (wine) [19:44] yeah [19:44] indeed [19:44] they would definitely opt for the linux base system then [19:44] would be much more stable [19:45] but wine too yes [19:45] code stealing :D [19:46] xD [20:55] in light of the discussion above, it's kind of ironic that ReactOS is "borrowing" code from wine ;-) [20:56] hehe [20:56] it is indeed [20:57] they should just help develop wine [21:01] another project linux unified kernel, enough cursing for one day though [21:02] * JabberwockyA19 should go wash his tongue [21:02] o0 [21:02] lol [21:03] i have only used reactos once very quickly [21:03] can one actually run linux applications on it? [21:04] LUK and ReactOS are two separate projects [21:05] ahh ok [21:05] well that is actually useful [21:05] unlike reactos [21:06] i really don't see the point of reactos [21:09] if reactos had better gpu support I would've used it to play old games as an alternative to dosbox [21:09] having wine run in kernel space should provide increased performace etc, albeit I'll be to scared to use it