[06:50] <sakhi> morning
[06:50] <Squirm> hello
[06:52] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:58] <RootChaos> ave
[08:18] <Kilos> hiya superfly and others
[08:41] <RootChaos> hi Kilos
[08:41] <Kilos> hi there RootChaos 
[08:42] <RootChaos> whats happening on this fine monday ?
[08:42] <superfly> hi Kilos, RootChaos
[08:42] <Kilos> well, the sun is still shining
[08:43] <RootChaos> yeah, and the end of the year is in sight
[08:43] <RootChaos> i dont feel much like doing anything at this stage
[08:43] <Kilos> haha
[08:44] <Kilos> holiday fever has hit you
[08:44] <Kilos> you gotta do something
[08:44] <Kilos> like breathe
[08:45] <RootChaos> thats about all i want to do
[08:45] <Kilos> hehe
[08:54] <cocooncrash> Protip: Don't try to use KDE in Oneiric.
[09:00] <Kilos> thats gonna break some hearts
[09:00] <superfly> cocooncrash: very buggy?
[09:01] <cocooncrash> superfly: It's an unmitigated disaster.
[09:01] <cocooncrash> kmail is basically unusable.
[09:01] <cocooncrash> The taskbar icons get smaller and smaller.
[09:01] <cocooncrash> Amarok just lost all my statistics.
[09:02] <cocooncrash> Akonadi uses lots of CPU all the time.
[09:02] <superfly> cocooncrash: I've moved to Thunderbird. Akonadi is a pile of rubbish, and KMail2 decided to use it
[09:02] <superfly> cocooncrash: yeah, same issues here
[09:02] <cocooncrash> Yeah, going to have to move to something else.
[09:07] <superfly> cocooncrash: I've mostly managed to get the taskbar to stick to the biggest size by playing with the options
[09:08] <superfly> And I'm looking at alternate music players to Amarok, cause it just sits at 100% CPU and does nothing
[09:09] <cocooncrash> Oh, and kmail even looses messages.
[09:16] <Kilos> bbl
[09:29] <superfly> Anyone know where I can get a fax machine from?
[09:29] <superfly> (rhetorical question)
[09:30]  * cocooncrash sets up Thunderbird
[10:22] <cocooncrash> Lightning looks pretty nice
[10:53] <Kerbero> jip it is ok
[11:45]  * inetpro been using Thunderbird with lightning for some time
[11:46] <inetpro> cocooncrash: there's still some effort needed to make it perfect but it's good enough at this stage for general use
[11:54] <inetpro> the nice thing about Thunderbird is that you can switch to any platform and keep using the same app
[11:55] <inetpro> s/platform/platform or distribution/
[11:55] <superfly> Thunderbird's default are a little stupid though... why do I want my new e-mails at the bottom of the list?
[11:56] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... that has never bothered me because I've always copied my profile across with all it's settings for some time
[11:56] <superfly> inetpro: this is the first time I'm using Thunderbird in YEARS
[11:57] <superfly> I changed over to KMail when KDE was still 3.5
[11:58] <inetpro> superfly: I do remember a few settings that need changing, so I might agree with you
[11:59] <Kerbero> jip, i agree with that
[11:59] <Kerbero> the default is not nice
[12:00] <Kerbero> one thing that really bothers me about thunderbird is the shortcuts
[12:00] <Kerbero> when thunderbird has focus and not xchat and i start to type
[12:00] <inetpro> BTW, I love the quicktext addon
[12:00] <Kerbero> everything goes heywire
[12:01] <Kerbero> inetpro: are you talking about that quick search thingy?
[12:01] <inetpro> Kerbero: no
[12:01] <Kerbero> o
[12:01] <Kerbero> addon
[12:01] <Kerbero> hmm
[12:01] <Kerbero> what does it do?
[12:02] <inetpro> See: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/quicktext/
[12:02] <inetpro> an extension for Thunderbird that lets you create templates that can be easily inserted into your own emails
[12:04] <Kerbero> interesting
[12:04] <Kerbero> newer thought about doing it that way
[12:04] <Kerbero> but it can be really useful
[12:05] <inetpro> as an example after starting a new message and having set the To address I press Alt+1 and it will insert Hi X
[12:05] <inetpro> with X being the firstname of the person 
[12:05] <Kerbero> can it change the from address too?
[12:05] <Kerbero> that is another thing that i actually need
[12:06] <inetpro> change from address?
[12:06] <Kerbero> i want thunderbird to reply from the address someone sent the mail to
[12:06] <Kerbero> and disregard the account's real address
[12:06] <Kerbero> yeah
[12:06] <Kerbero> if you have your own domain
[12:06] <Kerbero> and *@yourdomain is farwarded to one address
[12:08] <inetpro> if you setup multiple accounts Thunderbird can let you choose the from address
[12:11] <superfly> You don't even need to do that... just set up multiple identities
[15:24] <zeref> o0o0, mircosoft tried to by facebook for 15 billion
[15:26] <zeref> *buy
[15:29] <Squirm> lol
[17:19] <zeref> from 12.04 ubuntu LTS will be supported for 5 years :-)
[18:42] <superfly> Windows people... they don't like to learn.
[18:54] <nuvolari> they like to struggle in the "known"
[18:54] <nuvolari> I simply won't be able to survive in windows space
[18:56] <nuvolari> in terms of getting applications installed, linux package management just beats the other systems hands down
[19:14] <JabberwockyA19> nevermind "don't like to learn" most Windows users I know don't like to buy.
[19:14] <JabberwockyA19> I think if windows' anti-piracy worked properly there would be a lot more linux users
[19:27] <zeref> hmmm
[19:31] <zeref> just wondering what if microsoft went open source
[19:31] <zeref> with windows
[19:33] <Kerbero> lol
[19:33] <Kerbero> it will be scrapped for something better asap
[19:36] <zeref> LOL
[19:37] <zeref> would peeps then move back to windows
[19:37] <Kerbero> i doubt it 
[19:37] <Kerbero> they will likely move away i think
[19:39] <Kerbero> everyone is going to hack in his own thing
[19:39] <Kerbero> and in the end it is going to be one big mess
[19:39] <Kerbero> whereas linux will then still be well maintained
[19:39] <Kerbero> so they will move to linux
[19:39] <Kerbero> for stability
[19:40] <zeref> yeah, plus i think peeps would no tlike to re-invent code, when solutions are there already
[19:41] <Kerbero> jip
[19:41] <Kerbero> the current linux based programs might be ported to windows
[19:41] <Kerbero> but still
[19:42] <Kerbero> everyting will just work perfectly on linux
[19:42] <Kerbero> and imagine all the virusses
[19:43] <zeref> the horror
[19:43] <Kerbero> if that happens there is a lot of money to be made
[19:44] <Kerbero> hmm
[19:44] <zeref> one bonous would be games 
[19:44] <zeref> (wine)
[19:44] <Kerbero> yeah
[19:44] <Kerbero> indeed
[19:44] <Kerbero> they would definitely opt for the linux base system then
[19:44] <Kerbero> would be much more stable
[19:45] <Kerbero> but wine too yes
[19:45] <Kerbero> code stealing :D
[19:46] <zeref> xD
[20:55] <JabberwockyA19> in light of the discussion above, it's kind of ironic that ReactOS is "borrowing" code from wine ;-)
[20:56] <Kerbero> hehe
[20:56] <Kerbero> it is indeed
[20:57] <Kerbero> they should just help develop wine
[21:01] <JabberwockyA19> another project linux unified kernel, enough cursing for one day though
[21:02]  * JabberwockyA19 should go wash his tongue
[21:02] <Kerbero> o0
[21:02] <Kerbero> lol
[21:03] <Kerbero> i have only used reactos once very quickly
[21:03] <Kerbero> can one actually run linux applications on it?
[21:04] <JabberwockyA19> LUK and ReactOS are two separate projects
[21:05] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[21:05] <Kerbero> well that is actually useful
[21:05] <Kerbero> unlike reactos
[21:06] <Kerbero> i really don't see the point of reactos
[21:09] <JabberwockyA19> if reactos had better gpu support I would've used it to play old games as an alternative to dosbox
[21:09] <JabberwockyA19> having wine run in kernel space should provide increased performace etc, albeit I'll be to scared to use it