| w30 | holstein, LXMenu | 00:22 |
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| Unit193 | w30: Can't you just sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends? | 00:23 |
| w30 | holstein, LXMenuEditor does the job good enough for me, trouble is that it's Java and cut and paste don't work. Also you can't click on file icons to go to a lower depth. You only get one folder. I can type so no problem. | 00:25 |
| w30 | Unit193, I donno. sounds like a good idea. I didn't know you could do that. I'll try that too. Does that stop dependency installs of other debs? | 00:27 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, it doesn't pull all the other crud you don't want/need | 00:28 |
| w30 | Unit193, good | 00:28 |
| w30 | Unit193, I just tried that, it seemed to work ok. Wonderful!! | 00:32 |
| Unit193 | w30: You're very welcome! | 00:33 |
| w30 | Unit193, when I installed alacarte on my other desktop it took 15 minutes for all the extras to install *sigh* | 00:34 |
| w30 | Unit193, Now if the Bears could win for once. Ha | 00:35 |
| === `mOOse` is now known as m00se | ||
| Crash_O-D | what the command to get the files to play mp3s i did not have internet when setting up os to download them during install | 05:03 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: theres a big meta-package for everything if you want, but you can just search mp3 in a pacakge manger | 05:06 |
| holstein | fluendo is the one you are promted about | 05:06 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 | 05:06 |
| Crash_O-D | is the big one free? | 05:07 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: free of charge, yes | 05:08 |
| Crash_O-D | what the big package called | 05:08 |
| holstein | ubuntu-restricted-extras | 05:08 |
| Crash_O-D | thanks | 05:08 |
| holstein | you get fonts and all kinds of stuff | 05:08 |
| holstein | its overkill for what you want | 05:08 |
| holstein | and you should read about why you dont have access to those codecs by default | 05:09 |
| holstein | since the mp3 format is not open, and you didnt pay for it | 05:09 |
| Crash_O-D | well i download videos | 05:09 |
| Crash_O-D | so if package will play almost every thing might be worth it | 05:10 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: if you want to pay for it, you get teh fluendo codecs | 05:11 |
| holstein | or some other codecs | 05:11 |
| holstein | just read about why they are restricted | 05:11 |
| holstein | i get the codecs, but i create media in ogg format, and i try and support the use/sale of that format whenever possible | 05:11 |
| Crash_O-D | were i read about that? | 05:14 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats | 05:14 |
| holstein | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3 | 05:15 |
| holstein | its a legal issue | 05:16 |
| holstein | you are supposed to pay for the mp3 codec, and you havent | 05:16 |
| Crash_O-D | oh, but so many places give codics free | 05:18 |
| holstein | free of charge | 05:18 |
| Crash_O-D | yes | 05:18 |
| holstein | you can get the fluendo one free of charge | 05:18 |
| holstein | and that is a recent development | 05:18 |
| holstein | mp3 is just one case | 05:18 |
| holstein | im just making sure you are aware of what you are doing is all | 05:19 |
| Crash_O-D | i know apple makes mp4 stuff ect | 05:20 |
| holstein | apple does h.264 | 05:21 |
| Crash_O-D | i dont make much if any files | 05:22 |
| Crash_O-D | i was reading about m4a vs mp3 last night since nephew says he getting mp4 player | 05:23 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: you have to pay for the rights to use the codecs | 05:23 |
| holstein | as a consumer | 05:23 |
| holstein | when you purchase windows, that 'tax' has already been paid | 05:24 |
| holstein | sinces you didnt not purchase ubuntu, and no one is going to pay that fee for you, those fees have not been paid | 05:24 |
| holstein | thats the legal issue | 05:24 |
| Crash_O-D | ok, then how are we able to get the package to play all the files? | 05:25 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: you can 'get' it | 05:25 |
| holstein | you just need to understand that its questionably legal | 05:26 |
| holstein | http://www.fluendo.com/ | 05:26 |
| holstein | ^^ thats where you are 'supposed' to get them | 05:26 |
| holstein | one place | 05:26 |
| holstein | in not sure how, but fluendo is giving the mp3 codec away | 05:26 |
| holstein | one of the first things i used to do was set some of the keyboard shortcuts in gnome ;) | 05:28 |
| holstein | sorry ^^ | 05:29 |
| Crash_O-D | gnome? arnt you xfce? | 05:29 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: wrong windows | 05:30 |
| holstein | but, no.. im running openbox right now | 05:30 |
| Crash_O-D | openbox i was reading about that a little uses less then gnome if i remeber right | 05:31 |
| holstein | not sure about gnome3 | 05:31 |
| holstein | it might be lighter | 05:31 |
| holstein | not lighter than OB, but lighter than gnome2? | 05:32 |
| holstein | i havent checked | 05:32 |
| Crash_O-D | gnome3 is a hog, friend in it said stay away | 05:32 |
| Crash_O-D | see i use xfce since lighter and need virtualbox | 05:36 |
| Crash_O-D | i do dislike when typing in fb game or fb it self it likes to scroll to bottom of page | 05:37 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: fb=facebook? | 05:37 |
| holstein | fluxbox? | 05:37 |
| Crash_O-D | eacebook | 05:38 |
| Crash_O-D | 05:38 | |
| holstein | i have some focus issues with xfce, but i think its because im trying to use compiz | 05:38 |
| Crash_O-D | ok | 05:40 |
| Crash_O-D | im confused how xubuntu works but debian 6.0.3 did not for me | 05:41 |
| Crash_O-D | since based off debian | 05:41 |
| holstein | Crash_O-D: different kernels... different pacakges | 05:44 |
| holstein | packages* | 05:44 |
| Crash_O-D | sorry gf home so was busy. thanks for you help. hdmi audio works also have good night | 06:15 |
| === cipi is now known as CiPi | ||
| === CiPi is now known as Romanian | ||
| === Romanian is now known as CiPi | ||
| === CiPi is now known as cipi | ||
| noob13 | hey, i've attached an external monitor to my laptop and am trying to 'extend' my desktop across it like i would in gnome. | 08:50 |
| noob13 | the display manager in xfce doesn't seem to have this option.. | 08:51 |
| noob13 | any ideas? | 08:51 |
| noob13 | nevermind, worked it out with xrandr | 08:59 |
| EarlOfEgo | hey i have a thinkpad x300 and a 19'' screen, how can i enable twin view? so that the screen expands my laptop? | 09:09 |
| ablomen | EarlOfEgo, look at arandr (you can install it via add and remove software) | 09:12 |
| ablomen | EarlOfEgo, with that you can easily set up a second screen (and even position it wherever you want, for more advanced setups) | 09:14 |
| csenger41 | hello everyone | 11:57 |
| csenger41 | please could you recommend me a good email notifier thats on the panel? | 11:58 |
| === `mOOse` is now known as m00se | ||
| riccardo | Hi, I have a problem with liferea. | 17:01 |
| riccardo | Liferea doesn't work. | 17:02 |
| riccardo | I use Oniric | 17:02 |
| GridCube | !doesntwork | 17:02 |
| ubottu | Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too. | 17:02 |
| GridCube | !details | 17:02 |
| ubottu | Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." | 17:02 |
| riccardo | Not start up | 17:03 |
| riccardo | I try to start but It does not start | 17:04 |
| riccardo | I have Xubuntu Oniric | 17:04 |
| baizon | riccardo: try to start it in a terminal and check for any output | 17:05 |
| riccardo | I'm sorry, I'm not expert what need to do, I have open terminal | 17:07 |
| baizon | type leafpad now | 17:08 |
| baizon | and watch wats happening | 17:08 |
| baizon | leafrea | 17:08 |
| baizon | ou sorry i thought you mean leafpad xD | 17:09 |
| baizon | not liferea | 17:09 |
| riccardo | give me error | 17:10 |
| riccardo | ** ERROR **: Failure while preparing statement, (error=11, database disk image is malformed) SQL: "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM sqlite_master WHERE type = 'table' AND name = 'info';" | 17:10 |
| baizon | what error? | 17:10 |
| riccardo | Rilevato trace/breakpoint | 17:10 |
| baizon | riccardo: delete the settings | 17:11 |
| riccardo | Yes, work thank | 17:12 |
| baizon | np | 17:12 |
| C1sM0 | Hello everyone! Does anyone know a lightway program to open a ppt file. I am using Xubuntu 11.10 TIA | 17:58 |
| TheSheep | I only know openoffice, and even that doesn't handle them fully | 17:58 |
| Paimun | I believe Okular supports them | 17:59 |
| Paimun | try that | 17:59 |
| Paimun | Okular is amazing anyways, you should have it for PDFs :P | 17:59 |
| TheSheep | what's wrong with evince? | 17:59 |
| C1sM0 | I will take a look at Okular | 18:00 |
| Paimun | afaik evince has pretty unfinished PPT support | 18:00 |
| C1sM0 | Openoffice might kill my laptop | 18:00 |
| Paimun | http://live.gnome.org/Evince/SupportedDocumentFormats | 18:00 |
| Paimun | yeah I know that feel | 18:00 |
| TheSheep | 82 packages will be instaklled | 18:00 |
| Paimun | I'm on a shitty netbook right now | 18:00 |
| TheSheep | C1sM0: you call that lightweight? | 18:00 |
| C1sM0 | Could Evince support ppt file? | 18:01 |
| TheSheep | that webpage sais it can | 18:02 |
| TheSheep | says | 18:02 |
| TheSheep | Possible or Planned to Support | 18:02 |
| TheSheep | MS Powerpoint using libpreview. Currently very rough and alpha-quality. | 18:02 |
| Paimun | yes | 18:02 |
| Paimun | rough and alpha-quality | 18:02 |
| C1sM0 | I have evince already installed | 18:02 |
| TheSheep | I never tried it | 18:02 |
| C1sM0 | I will try that one first | 18:03 |
| TheSheep | C1sM0: it's the default viewer in xubuntu | 18:03 |
| C1sM0 | Okular looks nice too | 18:03 |
| C1sM0 | I have a laptop with very low spec | 18:03 |
| Paimun | what are they? | 18:04 |
| TheSheep | I really wish eince supported epub | 18:04 |
| TheSheep | evince* | 18:04 |
| C1sM0 | Compaq Presario 1GB RAM 250 GB and 1.2Ghz Processor | 18:05 |
| TheSheep | or some other lightweight viewer did | 18:05 |
| C1sM0 | Thank both TheSheep and Paimun! | 18:06 |
| __kozak__|work | Hi all, I have a strange problem with my Xubuntu. It seems like all the applications seems to be using my swap space instead of my RAM. top out put here http://paste.ubuntu.com/768129/ | 18:06 |
| Paimun | No problem | 18:06 |
| __kozak__|work | I have 4 gigs of ram and only 26% is used, but my swap usage is 91% of 5 gig | 18:07 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: if that's top with default settings, then it doesn't show swap | 18:07 |
| __kozak__|work | my uptime is about 14 days | 18:08 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: I mean it does only in the top summary, which you didn't paste | 18:08 |
| __kozak__|work | oh ok | 18:08 |
| __kozak__|work | let me do that | 18:08 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: don't bother, it won't tell us anything anyways | 18:09 |
| __kozak__|work | http://paste.ubuntu.com/768134/ | 18:10 |
| __kozak__|work | here it is anyways... :) | 18:10 |
| __kozak__|work | I didnt install Xubuntu directly... it is Xubuntu package installed on top of Ubuntu 11.04 | 18:11 |
| TheSheep | it looks like 99.95% memory used | 18:12 |
| TheSheep | where did you get that 26% from? | 18:12 |
| __kozak__|work | From the System monitor UI | 18:14 |
| __kozak__|work | but if I sort it by %mem the first one is firefox with 3.4% mem | 18:14 |
| __kozak__|work | Has it got something to do with using byobu? | 18:20 |
| TheSheep | let me clarify, your problem is that some tool in your system is reporting the memory used wrong, and that makes you feel like your system is slow? | 18:21 |
| __kozak__|work | No .... my firefox almost freezes each time I switch to it. Same with Chrome as well. I do not use any other UI thats UI specific | 18:22 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: Sorry got disconnected! actually my pidgin just exited... I do have pidgin and gvim open as well | 18:25 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: well, you have all your ram and almost all swap filled, your system is going to kill random processes when they run out of memory | 18:26 |
| __kozak__|work | yeah I guess thats what happened as soon as I opened gmail on firefox I guess | 18:27 |
| TVasEyes | __kozak__|work: the paste says you've 188 tasks/processes running, that seems a lot. | 18:28 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: anyways, there is nothing wrong with how your swap is getting used | 18:29 |
| __kozak__|work | TVasEyes: TheSheep: Oh ok... I will try closing some of the applications to see if there is any change | 18:30 |
| TVasEyes | __kozak__|work: afterwards use 'ps faux' and 'lsof -i' to see waht's left running and what is connecting to the outside. | 18:31 |
| TVasEyes | what's* | 18:31 |
| __kozak__|work | TVasEyes: okay | 18:31 |
| __kozak__|work | TVasEyes: hmmm that doesnt seem to help either | 18:39 |
| TVasEyes | __kozak__|work: was just wondering about the number of processes, I've 4 app's open and 124 processes, nearly 50% less. | 18:40 |
| TVasEyes | oops, ~1/3rd less. | 18:41 |
| __kozak__|work | TVasEyes: also I notice there are 2 zombie processes | 18:42 |
| TVasEyes | __kozak__|work: up one from previous. care to paste output of ps faux ? | 18:42 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: zombie processes take almost no ram | 18:47 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: they will just get harvested sooner or later, you can ignore them | 18:47 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: Oh okay. I will pas the ps aufx shortly... | 18:48 |
| puff | I'm not sure what I hit, but apaprently I hit some keyboard shortcut that appears to have minimzed/backgrounded all of my open windows. Is there a keyboard shortcut to undo this? | 18:48 |
| TheSheep | puff: alt+ctrl+d | 18:50 |
| TheSheep | puff: you can configure it in window manager settings | 18:50 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: looks like you have nautilus running | 18:54 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: Yes forgot to mention that :( | 18:54 |
| TVasEyes | ;) | 18:54 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: ah, so that's intentional, sorry, I just thought you have it running by mistake and hogging ram | 18:55 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: killed that one as well ... no luck | 18:57 |
| __kozak__|work | will be back after lunch | 18:57 |
| puff | TheSheep: Okay, so alt-ctrl-d is the minimize-all shortcut, what's the un-minimize shortcut? :-). | 19:00 |
| TheSheep | puff: same | 19:00 |
| TheSheep | puff: it's a toggle | 19:01 |
| puff | TheSheep: Ah... yah, but it looks like that only works if you don't alt-tab to some windows in the meantime. | 19:02 |
| puff | TheSheep: But, next time, I'll just ctl-alt-d right away. | 19:02 |
| puff | TheSheep: thanks! | 19:08 |
| Linze | Someone has experience with nomachine on xubuntu | 19:34 |
| holstein | Linze: i have used the client | 19:34 |
| holstein | i have *not* had success forwarding anything other than gnome2 from the server | 19:34 |
| holstein | i didnt try KDE | 19:34 |
| holstein | i tried XFCE and LXDED | 19:34 |
| holstein | LXDE* | 19:34 |
| Linze | And if i put the server on xubuntu and control it from a windows machine | 19:34 |
| holstein | Linze: im sure you *can* forward xfce, i just havent gotten it to work | 19:35 |
| holstein | i didnt spend a lot of time on it | 19:35 |
| holstein | i got LXDE forwarding broken | 19:35 |
| holstein | no panel | 19:35 |
| Linze | Holstein,thanks for the experience | 19:36 |
| Linze | Going to try | 19:37 |
| holstein | i read a message that Unit193 had left in the forums about freenx i think | 19:38 |
| holstein | and havent gotten around to trying it | 19:38 |
| holstein | i think it was to use startxubuntu ?? | 19:38 |
| Unit193 | holstein: I don't even have a forums account, but last I tried, FreeNX didn't work with Xubuntu | 19:38 |
| * Unit193 read up | 19:38 | |
| Linze | freenx has the same source code as nomachine ,if Iam right | 19:40 |
| Unit193 | You can only really get the Xfce Session, not the Xubuntu Session (But this was with Natty) | 19:41 |
| holstein | Unit193: maybe it was another unit* | 19:42 |
| holstein | and i assumed it was you | 19:43 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: back :)... anything interesting in the ps log? I couldnt find anything thats acting wierd | 19:52 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: no, you are just using too much memory :) | 20:06 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: :) .... I would be happy to use RAM instead of Swap though :( | 20:07 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: you need to add more ram then, because all the ram you have there is used | 20:09 |
| __kozak__|work | No it is not!!!! | 20:09 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: it is, type 'free' in a terminal and see for yourself | 20:09 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: you probably only have something like 300kB free | 20:10 |
| __kozak__|work | this should be interesting.... | 20:10 |
| __kozak__|work | http://paste.ubuntu.com/768271/ | 20:10 |
| TheSheep | even less | 20:10 |
| TheSheep | yeah | 20:10 |
| __kozak__|work | I dont understand this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/768277/ | 20:14 |
| __kozak__|work | why should chromium take like 1.2G | 20:14 |
| __kozak__|work | also why pidgin should take 793M | 20:15 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: web browsers take a lot of ram | 20:16 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: pidgin -- no idea, try disabling some plugins | 20:16 |
| __kozak__|work | Same with xfce4-mixer-plu 761M | 20:17 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: well, you have to look at how much of that memory is shared with other applications too | 20:18 |
| __kozak__|work | I am pretty sure if I just restart and run similar set of applications it would show me about 2 G of RAM being used and maybe less than 5 % of swap space | 20:19 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: but yeah, try pressing alt+f2 and typing: xfce4-panel --restart | 20:19 |
| __kozak__|work | ok | 20:19 |
| __kozak__|work | I will do that | 20:19 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: | 20:33 |
| __kozak__|work | TheSheep: I had to re start my PC. here is the new top summary (more tasks, still less memory used than before) http://paste.ubuntu.com/768301/ | 20:34 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: looks good | 20:37 |
| __kozak__|work | yea | 20:40 |
| __kozak__|work | dont know why it was leaking memory like crazy the last time | 20:40 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: my bet about pidgin is that one of the plugins has a memory leak | 20:40 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: xfce4-mixer had some meory leaks too, afair | 20:40 |
| TheSheep | __kozak__|work: as for chrome, you probably had some js-heavy pages open for long time and it grew | 20:41 |
| Linze | see you later | 20:41 |
| __kozak__|work | Oh ok. I will watch out to see if pidgin causing any problem | 20:41 |
| Jack_xubuntu | Do you think it is a hardware problem if the system hangs upon the loading of Xubuntu at the default BIOS settings? | 22:05 |
| Jack_xubuntu | is anyone there? | 22:07 |
| TheSheep | Jack_xubuntu: you can try different boot options | 22:08 |
| Jack_xubuntu | yes.. I have. | 22:09 |
| TheSheep | also, depends how it hangs | 22:09 |
| Jack_xubuntu | It SEEMS that the CPU frequency may have to do with it | 22:09 |
| TheSheep | what makes you think so? | 22:09 |
| Jack_xubuntu | When the System boots again it goes straight to the BIOS and says that the system crashed because of the cpu frequency. | 22:10 |
| Jack_xubuntu | I downed the Frequency to 80 percent, it seems to work fine. | 22:12 |
| Jack_xubuntu | But if I run it @ 1400 mhz (100 percent), it hangs. (upon login or the loading of the OS) | 22:13 |
| Jack_xubuntu | I dual boot Debian and Xubuntu | 22:13 |
| Jack_xubuntu | Seems odd, right? | 22:14 |
| Jack_xubuntu | Its a old Intel Celeron CPU. | 22:15 |
| Jack_xubuntu | If that will help | 22:15 |
| Jack_xubuntu | I have looked around a bit, but have not found a direct answer | 22:16 |
| Jack_xubuntu | And so it shall Be A mystery..... | 22:20 |
| rj175 | Hello,I am having issues booting a LVM root. I moved my root partition (including boot) into a lvm, I have managed to get the system to boot to the xubuntu splash screen but it cannot find my / lvm. Ive changed my fstab to the new one but still nothing | 22:31 |
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