[00:22] <w30> holstein, LXMenu
[00:23] <Unit193> w30: Can't you just sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends?
[00:25] <w30> holstein, LXMenuEditor does the job good enough for me,  trouble is that it's Java and cut and paste don't work. Also you can't click on file icons to go to a lower depth. You only get one folder. I can type so no problem.
[00:27] <w30> Unit193, I donno. sounds like a good idea. I didn't know you could do that. I'll try that too. Does that stop dependency installs of other debs?
[00:28] <Unit193> Yeah, it doesn't pull all the other crud you don't want/need
[00:28] <w30> Unit193, good
[00:32] <w30> Unit193, I just tried that, it seemed to work ok. Wonderful!!
[00:33] <Unit193> w30: You're very welcome!
[00:34] <w30> Unit193, when I installed alacarte on my other desktop it took 15 minutes for all the extras to install *sigh*
[00:35] <w30> Unit193, Now if the Bears could win for once. Ha
[05:03] <Crash_O-D> what the command to get the files to play mp3s i did not have internet when setting up os to download them during install
[05:06] <holstein> Crash_O-D: theres a big meta-package for everything if you want, but you can just search mp3 in a pacakge manger
[05:06] <holstein> fluendo is the one you are promted about
[05:06] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3
[05:07] <Crash_O-D> is the big one free?
[05:08] <holstein> Crash_O-D: free of charge, yes
[05:08] <Crash_O-D> what the big package called
[05:08] <holstein> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:08] <Crash_O-D> thanks
[05:08] <holstein> you get fonts and all kinds of stuff
[05:08] <holstein> its overkill for what you want
[05:09] <holstein> and you should read about why you dont have access to those codecs by default
[05:09] <holstein> since the mp3 format is not open, and you didnt pay for it
[05:09] <Crash_O-D> well i download videos
[05:10] <Crash_O-D> so if package will play almost every thing might be worth it
[05:11] <holstein> Crash_O-D: if you want to pay for it, you get teh fluendo codecs
[05:11] <holstein> or some other codecs
[05:11] <holstein> just read about why they are restricted
[05:11] <holstein> i get the codecs, but i create media in ogg format, and i try and support the use/sale of that format whenever possible
[05:14] <Crash_O-D> were i read about that?
[05:14] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[05:15] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3
[05:16] <holstein> its a legal issue
[05:16] <holstein> you are supposed to pay for the mp3 codec, and you havent
[05:18] <Crash_O-D> oh, but so many places give codics free
[05:18] <holstein> free of charge
[05:18] <Crash_O-D> yes
[05:18] <holstein> you can get the fluendo one free of charge
[05:18] <holstein> and that is a recent development
[05:18] <holstein> mp3 is just one case
[05:19] <holstein> im just making sure you are aware of what you are doing is all
[05:20] <Crash_O-D> i know apple makes mp4 stuff ect
[05:21] <holstein> apple does h.264
[05:22] <Crash_O-D> i dont make much if any files
[05:23] <Crash_O-D> i was reading about m4a vs mp3 last night since nephew says he getting mp4 player
[05:23] <holstein> Crash_O-D: you have to pay for the rights to use the codecs
[05:23] <holstein> as a consumer
[05:24] <holstein> when you purchase windows, that 'tax' has already been paid
[05:24] <holstein> sinces you didnt not purchase ubuntu, and no one is going to pay that fee for you, those fees have not been paid
[05:24] <holstein> thats the legal issue
[05:25] <Crash_O-D> ok, then how are we able to get the package to play all the files?
[05:25] <holstein> Crash_O-D: you can 'get' it
[05:26] <holstein> you just need to understand that its questionably legal
[05:26] <holstein> http://www.fluendo.com/
[05:26] <holstein> ^^ thats where you are 'supposed' to get them
[05:26] <holstein> one place
[05:26] <holstein> in not sure how, but fluendo is giving the mp3 codec away
[05:28] <holstein> one of the first things i used to do was set some of the keyboard shortcuts in gnome ;)
[05:29] <holstein> sorry ^^
[05:29] <Crash_O-D> gnome? arnt you xfce?
[05:30] <holstein> Crash_O-D: wrong windows
[05:30] <holstein> but, no.. im running openbox right now
[05:31] <Crash_O-D> openbox i was reading about that a little uses less then gnome if i remeber right
[05:31] <holstein> not sure about gnome3
[05:31] <holstein> it might be lighter
[05:32] <holstein> not lighter than OB, but lighter than gnome2?
[05:32] <holstein> i havent checked
[05:32] <Crash_O-D> gnome3  is a hog, friend in it said stay away
[05:36] <Crash_O-D> see i use xfce since lighter and need virtualbox
[05:37] <Crash_O-D> i do dislike when typing in fb game or fb it self it likes to scroll to bottom of page
[05:37] <holstein> Crash_O-D: fb=facebook?
[05:37] <holstein> fluxbox?
[05:38] <Crash_O-D> eacebook
[05:38] <Crash_O-D> facebook
[05:38] <holstein> i have some focus issues with xfce, but i think its because im trying to use compiz
[05:40] <Crash_O-D> ok
[05:41] <Crash_O-D> im confused how xubuntu works but debian 6.0.3 did not for me
[05:41] <Crash_O-D> since based off debian
[05:44] <holstein> Crash_O-D: different kernels... different pacakges
[05:44] <holstein> packages*
[06:15] <Crash_O-D> sorry gf home so was busy. thanks for you help. hdmi audio works also have good night
[08:50] <noob13> hey, i've attached an external monitor to my laptop and am trying to 'extend' my desktop across it like i would in gnome.
[08:51] <noob13> the display manager in xfce doesn't seem to have this option..
[08:51] <noob13> any ideas?
[08:59] <noob13> nevermind, worked it out with xrandr
[09:09] <EarlOfEgo> hey i have a thinkpad x300 and a 19'' screen, how can i enable twin view? so that the screen expands my laptop?
[09:12] <ablomen> EarlOfEgo, look at arandr (you can install it via add and remove software)
[09:14] <ablomen> EarlOfEgo, with that you can easily set up a second screen (and even position it wherever you want, for more advanced setups)
[11:57] <csenger41> hello everyone
[11:58] <csenger41> please could you recommend me a good email notifier thats on the panel?
[17:01] <riccardo> Hi, I have a problem with liferea.
[17:02] <riccardo> Liferea doesn't work.
[17:02] <riccardo> I use Oniric
[17:02] <GridCube> !doesntwork
[17:02] <GridCube> !details
[17:03] <riccardo> Not start up
[17:04] <riccardo> I try to start but It does not start
[17:04] <riccardo> I have Xubuntu Oniric
[17:05] <baizon> riccardo: try to start it in a terminal and check for any output
[17:07] <riccardo> I'm sorry, I'm not expert what need to do, I have open terminal
[17:08] <baizon> type leafpad now
[17:08] <baizon> and watch wats happening
[17:08] <baizon> leafrea
[17:09] <baizon> ou sorry i thought you mean leafpad xD
[17:09] <baizon> not liferea
[17:10] <riccardo> give me error
[17:10] <riccardo> ** ERROR **: Failure while preparing statement, (error=11, database disk image is malformed) SQL: "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM sqlite_master WHERE type = 'table' AND name = 'info';"
[17:10] <baizon> what error?
[17:10] <riccardo> Rilevato trace/breakpoint
[17:11] <baizon> riccardo: delete the settings
[17:12] <riccardo> Yes, work thank
[17:12] <baizon> np
[17:58] <C1sM0> Hello everyone! Does anyone know a lightway program to open a ppt file. I am using Xubuntu 11.10 TIA
[17:58] <TheSheep> I only know openoffice, and even that doesn't handle them fully
[17:59] <Paimun> I believe Okular supports them
[17:59] <Paimun> try that
[17:59] <Paimun> Okular is amazing anyways, you should have it for PDFs :P
[17:59] <TheSheep> what's wrong with evince?
[18:00] <C1sM0> I will take a look at Okular
[18:00] <Paimun> afaik evince has pretty unfinished PPT support
[18:00] <C1sM0> Openoffice  might kill my laptop
[18:00] <Paimun> http://live.gnome.org/Evince/SupportedDocumentFormats
[18:00] <Paimun> yeah I know that feel
[18:00] <TheSheep> 82 packages will be instaklled
[18:00] <Paimun> I'm on a shitty netbook right now
[18:00] <TheSheep> C1sM0: you call that lightweight?
[18:01] <C1sM0> Could Evince support ppt file?
[18:02] <TheSheep> that webpage sais it can
[18:02] <TheSheep> says
[18:02] <TheSheep> Possible or Planned to Support
[18:02] <TheSheep> MS Powerpoint using libpreview. Currently very rough and alpha-quality.
[18:02] <Paimun> yes
[18:02] <Paimun> rough and alpha-quality
[18:02] <C1sM0> I have evince already installed
[18:02] <TheSheep> I never tried it
[18:03] <C1sM0> I will try that one first
[18:03] <TheSheep> C1sM0: it's the default viewer in xubuntu
[18:03] <C1sM0> Okular looks nice too
[18:03] <C1sM0> I have a laptop with very low spec
[18:04] <Paimun> what are they?
[18:04] <TheSheep> I really wish eince supported epub
[18:04] <TheSheep> evince*
[18:05] <C1sM0> Compaq Presario 1GB RAM 250 GB and 1.2Ghz Processor
[18:05] <TheSheep> or some other lightweight viewer did
[18:06] <C1sM0> Thank both TheSheep and Paimun!
[18:06] <__kozak__|work> Hi all, I have a strange problem with my Xubuntu. It seems like all the applications seems to be using my swap space instead of my RAM. top out put here http://paste.ubuntu.com/768129/
[18:06] <Paimun> No problem
[18:07] <__kozak__|work> I have 4 gigs of ram and only 26% is used, but my swap usage is 91% of 5 gig
[18:07] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: if that's top with default settings, then it doesn't show swap
[18:08] <__kozak__|work> my uptime is about 14 days
[18:08] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: I mean it does only in the top summary, which you didn't paste
[18:08] <__kozak__|work> oh ok
[18:08] <__kozak__|work> let me do that
[18:09] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: don't bother, it won't tell us anything anyways
[18:10] <__kozak__|work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/768134/
[18:10] <__kozak__|work> here it is anyways... :)
[18:11] <__kozak__|work> I didnt install Xubuntu directly... it is Xubuntu package installed on top of Ubuntu 11.04
[18:12] <TheSheep> it looks like 99.95% memory used
[18:12] <TheSheep> where did you get that 26% from?
[18:14] <__kozak__|work> From the System monitor UI
[18:14] <__kozak__|work> but if I sort it by %mem the first one is firefox with 3.4% mem
[18:20] <__kozak__|work> Has it got something to do with using byobu?
[18:21] <TheSheep> let me clarify, your problem is that some tool in your system is reporting the memory used wrong, and that makes you feel like your system is slow?
[18:22] <__kozak__|work> No .... my firefox almost freezes each time I switch to it. Same with Chrome as well. I do not use any other UI thats UI specific
[18:25] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep: Sorry got disconnected! actually my pidgin just exited... I do have pidgin and gvim open as well
[18:26] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: well, you have all your ram and almost all swap filled, your system is going to kill random processes when they run out of memory
[18:27] <__kozak__|work> yeah I guess thats what happened as soon as I opened gmail on firefox I guess
[18:28] <TVasEyes> __kozak__|work: the paste says you've 188 tasks/processes running, that seems a lot.
[18:29] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: anyways, there is nothing wrong with how your swap is getting used
[18:30] <__kozak__|work> TVasEyes: TheSheep: Oh ok... I will try closing some of the applications to see if there is any change
[18:31] <TVasEyes> __kozak__|work: afterwards use 'ps faux' and 'lsof -i' to see waht's left running and what is connecting to the outside.
[18:31] <TVasEyes> what's*
[18:31] <__kozak__|work> TVasEyes:  okay
[18:39] <__kozak__|work> TVasEyes: hmmm that doesnt seem to help either
[18:40] <TVasEyes> __kozak__|work: was just wondering about the number of processes, I've 4 app's open and 124 processes, nearly 50% less.
[18:41] <TVasEyes> oops, ~1/3rd less.
[18:42] <__kozak__|work> TVasEyes: also I notice there are 2 zombie processes
[18:42] <TVasEyes> __kozak__|work: up one from previous.  care to paste output of ps faux ?
[18:47] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: zombie processes take almost no ram
[18:47] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: they will just get harvested sooner or later, you can ignore them
[18:48] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep: Oh okay. I will pas the ps aufx shortly...
[18:48] <puff> I'm not sure what I hit, but apaprently I hit some keyboard shortcut that appears to have minimzed/backgrounded all of my open windows.  Is there a keyboard shortcut to undo this?
[18:50] <TheSheep> puff: alt+ctrl+d
[18:50] <TheSheep> puff: you can configure it in window manager settings
[18:54] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: looks like you have nautilus running
[18:54] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep: Yes forgot to mention that :(
[18:54] <TVasEyes> ;)
[18:55] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: ah, so that's intentional, sorry, I just thought you have it running by mistake and hogging ram
[18:57] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep: killed that one as well ... no luck
[18:57] <__kozak__|work> will be back after lunch
[19:00] <puff> TheSheep: Okay, so alt-ctrl-d is the minimize-all shortcut, what's the un-minimize shortcut? :-).
[19:00] <TheSheep> puff: same
[19:01] <TheSheep> puff: it's a toggle
[19:02] <puff> TheSheep: Ah... yah, but it looks like that only works if you don't alt-tab to some windows in the meantime.
[19:02] <puff> TheSheep: But, next time, I'll just ctl-alt-d right away.
[19:08] <puff> TheSheep: thanks!
[19:34] <Linze> Someone has experience with nomachine on xubuntu
[19:34] <holstein> Linze: i have used the client
[19:34] <holstein> i have *not* had success forwarding anything other than gnome2 from the server
[19:34] <holstein> i didnt try KDE
[19:34] <holstein> i tried XFCE and LXDED
[19:34] <holstein> LXDE*
[19:34] <Linze> And if i put the server on xubuntu and control it from a windows machine
[19:35] <holstein> Linze: im sure you *can* forward xfce, i just havent gotten it to work
[19:35] <holstein> i didnt spend a lot of time on it
[19:35] <holstein> i got LXDE forwarding broken
[19:35] <holstein> no panel
[19:36] <Linze> Holstein,thanks for the experience
[19:37] <Linze> Going to try
[19:38] <holstein> i read a message that Unit193 had left in the forums about freenx i think
[19:38] <holstein> and havent gotten around to trying it
[19:38] <holstein> i think it was to use startxubuntu ??
[19:38] <Unit193> holstein: I don't even have a forums account, but last I tried, FreeNX didn't work with Xubuntu
[19:38]  * Unit193 read up
[19:40] <Linze> freenx has the same source code as nomachine ,if Iam right
[19:41] <Unit193> You can only really get the Xfce Session, not the Xubuntu Session (But this was with Natty)
[19:42] <holstein> Unit193: maybe it was another unit*
[19:43] <holstein> and i assumed it was you
[19:52] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep: back :)... anything interesting in the ps log? I couldnt find anything thats acting wierd
[20:06] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: no, you are just using too much memory :)
[20:07] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep: :) .... I would be happy to use RAM instead of Swap though :(
[20:09] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: you need to add more ram then, because all the ram you have there is used
[20:09] <__kozak__|work> No it is not!!!!
[20:09] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: it is, type 'free' in a terminal and see for yourself
[20:10] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: you probably only have something like 300kB free
[20:10] <__kozak__|work> this should be interesting....
[20:10] <__kozak__|work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/768271/
[20:10] <TheSheep> even less
[20:10] <TheSheep> yeah
[20:14] <__kozak__|work> I dont understand this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/768277/
[20:14] <__kozak__|work> why should chromium take like 1.2G
[20:15] <__kozak__|work> also why pidgin should take 793M
[20:16] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: web browsers take a lot of ram
[20:16] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: pidgin -- no idea, try disabling some plugins
[20:17] <__kozak__|work> Same with xfce4-mixer-plu 761M
[20:18] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: well, you have to look at how much of that memory is shared with other applications too
[20:19] <__kozak__|work> I am pretty sure if I just restart and run similar set of applications it would show me about 2 G of RAM being used and maybe less than 5 % of swap space
[20:19] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: but yeah, try pressing alt+f2 and typing: xfce4-panel --restart
[20:19] <__kozak__|work> ok
[20:19] <__kozak__|work> I will do that
[20:33] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep:
[20:34] <__kozak__|work> TheSheep:  I had to re start my PC. here is the new top summary (more tasks, still less memory used than before) http://paste.ubuntu.com/768301/
[20:37] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: looks good
[20:40] <__kozak__|work> yea
[20:40] <__kozak__|work> dont know why it was leaking memory like crazy the last time
[20:40] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: my bet about pidgin is that one of the plugins has a memory leak
[20:40] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: xfce4-mixer had some meory leaks too, afair
[20:41] <TheSheep> __kozak__|work: as for chrome, you probably had some js-heavy pages open for long time and it grew
[20:41] <Linze> see you later
[20:41] <__kozak__|work> Oh ok. I will watch out to see if pidgin causing any problem
[22:05] <Jack_xubuntu> Do you think it is a hardware problem if the system hangs upon the loading of Xubuntu at the default BIOS settings?
[22:07] <Jack_xubuntu> is anyone there?
[22:08] <TheSheep> Jack_xubuntu: you can try different boot options
[22:09] <Jack_xubuntu> yes.. I have.
[22:09] <TheSheep> also, depends how it hangs
[22:09] <Jack_xubuntu> It SEEMS that the CPU frequency may have to do with it
[22:09] <TheSheep> what makes you think so?
[22:10] <Jack_xubuntu> When the System boots again it goes straight to the BIOS and says that the system crashed because of the cpu frequency.
[22:12] <Jack_xubuntu> I downed the Frequency to 80 percent, it seems to work fine.
[22:13] <Jack_xubuntu> But if I run it @ 1400 mhz (100 percent), it hangs. (upon login or the loading of the OS)
[22:13] <Jack_xubuntu> I dual boot Debian and Xubuntu
[22:14] <Jack_xubuntu> Seems odd, right?
[22:15] <Jack_xubuntu> Its a old Intel Celeron CPU.
[22:15] <Jack_xubuntu> If that will help
[22:16] <Jack_xubuntu> I have looked around a bit, but have not found a direct answer
[22:20] <Jack_xubuntu> And so it shall Be A mystery.....
[22:31] <rj175> Hello,I am having issues booting a LVM root. I moved my root partition (including boot) into a lvm, I have managed to get the system to boot to the xubuntu splash screen but it cannot find my / lvm. Ive changed my fstab to the new one but still nothing