[00:01] bodoh: I had a sony laptop once, it didn't survive the first day [00:02] yeah SunTsu .. I jsut hate it now .. [00:02] I remember the old KDE packed by SuSE ... when it was still a German company [00:02] that was during Win 98 time I think [00:03] it came with some 6 CDs ;) .. [00:03] now ... who even wants a CD .. ;) ;) ... we just download it [00:04] OK .. now I'm staying warm in this Starbucks .. wishing to fix my kubuntu ;) [00:04] anybody installs cinelerra? [00:16] bodoh: not sure if you know but this is an all ages channel so using potentially offensive words is discouraged [00:18] hmm ... linux now has gone pg-13 ;(( [00:19] I miss the day when it was only for men with balls [00:31] !language | bodoh [00:31] bodoh: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [00:31] bodoh: only this channel is pg13, you can do whatever you like in other channels [00:32] well the ubuntu* channels are .... [00:32] !coc [00:32] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct [00:35] http://vipicecast.yacast.net/rmc --> ecoutes comment cette fille est devenue une prostitue [00:35] avec mpg321 [00:35] cest pour RMC paris [00:36] stoopid pg13 can only speak english .. dui bu dui? [00:37] bodoh: If you're not willing to observe the etiquette of the channel, perhaps this is not where you really want to be? [00:42] hello [01:13] Aha, hello :) [01:13] heya barker [01:13] You must be psychic, Stronze - I only got on here about 10 minutes ago :D [01:13] lol, i didnt have strong enough connection to continue playing black ops online [01:14] :( [01:14] interesting, i cant use kubuntu update manager cuz it doesnt have premission to do so [01:15] Stronze: how are you doing it? [01:15] i been using terminal since i have had a weak connection [01:16] no, i mean - what are you typing? [01:16] the gui update doesnt have permission to download the updates [01:16] sudo apt-get update and upgrade [01:17] ??? [01:17] sudo apt-get update should work, and sudo apt-get upgrade should be ok too... [01:17] what error do you get on the terminal when you try to do that? [01:18] im saying the update app doesnt have premission, im updating now via terminal [01:18] ah, I was gonna suggest you do it through a TTY or something. [01:18] i suspect the kubuntu gui doesnt have sudo access since its over ubuntu [01:18] I normally do all my updates and upgrades through TTY1 now [01:19] Stronze: that is quite possible [01:19] tty1? [01:19] yes, the terminal under CTRL + F1 [01:19] there's 4 or 5 of them [01:19] CTRL + F2, F3, F4 or F5 also [01:19] to get back to your GUI, Ctrl + F7 or F8 [01:20] my muon seems to work OK for me, but I do think I have seen either a bug report of mail list traffic on this particular subject recently [01:21] Stronze: are you still with us? [01:21] physical yes bot mentally i went for a stroll :P [01:21] but* [01:21] ah [01:22] I was wondering whether you'd pushed CTRL and F1 without waiting for me to tell you how to get back to your display :) [01:22] qbit - my moun gets denied when i try to use it [01:22] also, I used to do kdesu to bring up KDE graphical apps but lately it seems it's kdesudo [01:22] Since you're using Kubuntu desktop, try using Apper for your upgrades, that shouldn't get denied [01:22] im using kubuntu gui over ubuntu on a laptop [01:23] Apper's default package installer for KDE, iirc [01:23] im still terminal updating atm [01:23] slow connection tonight. i need a neighbor who has better internet wifi unsecured [01:24] or you need to find one who will share his wifi with you in exchange for a small amount toward his billing :) [01:24] blasphemy!!! [01:25] That's what I used to do. I'd "rent" my wifi off a neighbor in exchange for £10 a month towards his costs. He allowed me unlimited access, and never turned his router off. [01:25] nice [01:26] Stronze: You do realise using Wifi belonging to someone else without their knowledge or authority is fraud, don't you??? :) [01:26] If they know, fair enough :) [01:26] I'm not joking, one of my old neighbors got hauled for it when I lived in Nevada [01:27] there has not been any major court case about using unsecure wifi. atm its only illegal under a certion feredal law that i cant seem tor ecall atm but even that is flimsy if someone took up the fight [01:27] Basically, it's the same in England, it's called "Obtaining goods or services with intent to defraud" [01:28] But no matter, if your neighbor knows, no problem :) [01:29] even that is ina grey area with unsecuure wifi [01:29] since your not taking anything [01:29] you are, you're using wifi which someone else is footing the bill for. [01:29] that's the way it's seen here, anyway [01:30] but that someone is publicly broadcasting it, it could be compaired to radio wave usage [01:30] BarkingFish: that is incorrect at least for the UK case. in the UK you are potentially liable for what people download over your wifi if you don't make some attempt to secure it however the person accessing an openwifi point is not breaking any laws that i am aware of [01:31] its all grey area atm since there has not been any precident in any legal cases [01:31] amason: I work in the Prison Service, dude. I know my way around the law backwards. [01:31] BarkingFish: in the UK ? [01:31] Trust me, while your wifi is open, it's true that whatever someone downloads over it, you're liable for. [01:31] no offence bark but i run into to many patrol officers who think they know the law but actually dont know [01:32] yes i am not arguing that point, however it's not fraud if you access an open wifi point. [01:32] But, if you're accessing Wifi with no intent to pay for it, and it's not your connection to begin with (unless it's public wifi, like a cafe or a bar) you are committing fraud. [01:32] Public wifi - no. Private (unsecured) wifi, yes. [01:32] no you are not, if it's unsecured in the UK at least there is no such law [01:33] i have no idea about anywhere else in the world but in the UK you are completely within your rights to do so [01:33] you can't crack it [01:33] but if its open , unsecured there is no law against it [01:34] amason: You are wrong. Don't argue this one with me, I know what I'm talking about. Section 11 of the Fraud Act, 2006 [01:35] section 11 is quite broad, which part / [01:35] The defendant: obtains for himself or another services, dishonestly; knowing the services are made available on the basis that payment has been, is being or will be made for or in respect of them or that they might be; and avoids or intends to avoid payment in full or in part. [01:36] In short, by using wifi someone else is paying for - they're intending to avoid paying for it themselves, thus committing fraud under S. 11 [01:39] are you a guard ? [01:39] Yes, Operational PO with background in legal training and Prison & Social Welfare. [01:39] BarkingFish: you are incorrect on a number of counts 1) there is no assumption that a person has knowledge of the payment of a broadcast service ( there are exceptions see govt taxable broadcast but that doesn't apply here) and 2) accessing a wifi network doesn't necessarily imply an internet service [01:40] heh, ill bet you see all kinds [01:40] again, there is currently no law in the UK that prohibits you from accessing an unsecured wifi network [01:41] fair enough amason - I'll tell you straight, you're totally wrong - I don't know what country you're in, but you're completely and totally wrong to the point of silliness. [01:41] i am in the UK and you obviously aren't [01:41] I'm not gonna argue with you, I'm here to do tech support, not have a slanging match. [01:41] Speak to a british lawyer, and get the details from them. Or better still, Contact the Crown Prosecution Service. They'll tell you. [01:42] well i'm currently sitting next to an ex barrister which gives me some confidence that i know what i'm talking about :) [01:42] Wait, you're in the UK - but connected via an Australian ISP? [01:42] Proxy? [01:43] i'm not connected via proxy, vpn to adelaide [01:43] And I am in the UK, about 2 minutes walk from the prison where I work [01:43] currently in tunbridge wells [01:43] where are you ? [01:43] Milton Keynes, bang opposite Woodhill Prison [01:44] nice...well i haven't been there but i'm assuming it's nice :) [01:44] it's a hole. [01:44] lol, hows the food in england prisons, [01:44] I'd rather go home to Iceland, but it's colder there than it is here. [01:45] so I'm staying for a while longer :) [01:45] Since there have only been a few cases to date, mostly in lower judicial instances, there is no guiding case law on this issue [01:45] Tech-1: words describing it haven't been invented yet :P [01:45] lolol [01:45] that the US current stance on unsecure wifi [01:45] i'm actually going to iceland in a few weeks [01:45] Nice - anywhere particular? [01:45] we have a very small office there [01:46] okay you two love birds done? barking broke my sound and wants (i hope) to fix it [01:46] Reykjavík [01:46] lol [01:46] cool :) [01:46] haven't been there before, new office apparently, it's a business trip [01:46] apt-get installmysound [01:46] so i wont' get to see much unfortunately [01:47] anyhow, I have to get on amason. Sorry for the hoohah, but I'd rather knock off the discussion now, since I'm actually WAY off topic and don't want to get kicked :) [01:47] Stronze: you still have no sound? [01:47] have you managed to get in here during the night and spoken to anyone else? [01:48] that's fine i don't particularly care. i trust my boss with his opinion but you obviously feel you have better information which is fine too [01:48] i had to go to bed since i work [01:48] ah, and it's almost time for me to go to bed :) [01:49] 1.49am here, Stronze - I'm up at 8am. [01:49] i think tech is itching to try :P [01:49] i'm support for Au atm :( [01:49] hale no...lol [01:49] amason: hence the vpn :) [01:50] yarp...and the insane ping times [01:50] oh i need to check on my homemade icecream [01:51] it called for 1 cup of milk, we had milk when i went to work but when i went to make it, there was no milk and my sister in law just bought milk an hour ago :/ [01:51] You won't be too far from my old home, I was born in Reykjavík, but lived in Keflavík, [01:51] so enjoy it - go have some freetime and freeze your thingies off, this time of year it's quite possible [01:52] heh i tried to get work to put me up in one of those ice hotel thingys [01:52] lol [01:53] but i accepted a hotel when they offered me a cot in office [01:53] Stronze: ok, what time are you likely to be around tonight (UK time for me now is 1.53am)? [01:53] well its almost 9pm [01:53] and i get home around 4pm [01:53] so you're -5? [01:54] EST? [01:54] yeppers est [01:54] fla ? [01:54] yeppers [01:54] same [01:54] where at? [01:54] ok, right, I'll be on here 10PM sharp, so 5pm/eastern tonight - and if you have time, I'll be waiting for you. I WILL get you fixed. [01:55] ocala natl forrest [01:55] ill be here [01:55] polk county [01:55] cool [01:55] cool [01:55] i have friends there also, from the ham radio [01:55] I have a friend in Florida, he runs a magazine called Out on the Town [01:55] i had a shop in haines sity once, on 27 [01:56] city [01:56] never been to haines city. i grew up in auburndale and lakeland [01:56] Right, at fast approaching 2am UK, I'm off. I need to get my beauty sleep. Seriously :) [01:56] ah [01:56] night bark [01:56] cya BarkingFish [01:56] night guys, take care. [01:56] packitup [01:56] lol [01:57] apt-get installmysound <-- whats that do tech? [01:57] j/k [01:57] thought so [01:57] * amason yawns [01:57] but you never know with these linux scoundrels and their evil sence of humour [01:58] BluesKaj: can help you better, i seldom use kde after 3.5 version, im mostly on gnome [01:58] i didnt see blues online [01:58] but the machine im on now uses kde with a gnome 2 shell, pretty cool [01:58] oh wait there he/she is [02:00] wow im still installing from sudo apt-get upgrade [02:00] maybe that will fix the sound [02:00] im not that lucky but i can hope :P [02:00] ill bet it does [02:01] but then again, if its an upgrade, itl prolly put pulse right back on..lol [02:01] that be my luck [02:02] i should do a clean kubuntu install but i really dont wanna jump thru those hoops of downloading and iinstalling everything i have [02:02] what i normally do is.. terminal > gstreamer-properties and set them to alsa, NEVER had problems with anything [02:06] upgrade finished now sudo apt-get update === WildTux is now known as WillithePooh === WillithePooh is now known as WildTux === zz_r3v0 is now known as r3v0 === r3v0 is now known as r3v0|WhippleDip [02:12] * Tech-1 is now known as Tech-1 [02:14] reboot [02:14] k [02:16] moun update manager - This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided [02:16] huh [02:17] still have 6 updates i need to install and terminal didnt do it [02:17] try again [02:17] i did [02:17] as root maybe [02:17] gksu [02:17] how i run moun via sudo terminal? [02:17] OerHeks: that would have been cool but it doesn't recognize my external CD ROM drive [02:18] Stronze: kdesudo muon [02:21] reboot, system running funny [02:23] Tech-1: would it be possible to install text-only K/Ubuntu to the notebook ATA 2.5" hard drive in another computer with a bootable CD ROM (e.g., desktop) and then do the GUI installation portion later after the 2.5" drive is back in the laptop? [02:24] or to do the entire install and reconfigure the GUI for the laptop later? [02:25] not sure, but i dont think so [02:25] wouldn't the text portion of Linux work the same either way? [02:26] i remember people doing it, i havent, but maybe ask in #ubuntu, some of those cats are on the ball [02:49] right on [02:49] anyone know how to get apps showing in task bar? some how i did an accidental right left click and they vanished. im stuck doing alt tab [02:54] Stronze: On the Panel, right-click > Panel Options > Add widgets and readd Task Manager [02:56] thanks snowhog [02:56] Stronze: :) [02:58] its so nice having that back [03:34] I wish I would've have started my Linux experience with KDE. Loving it! [05:17] hi there, any idea when 4.7.4 will be in the kubuntu team ppa? [05:31] hyper_ch: probably when it goes into precise === r3v0|WhippleDip is now known as zz_r3v0|WhippleD [05:38] amason: hmmm, well, it ws released like last week and the kubuntu team usually is very fast with it === gaurav__ is now known as Guest17474 === JackyAlcine is now known as VirgilHawkins === VirgilHawkins is now known as JackyAlcine === merco is now known as Guest87852 === zz_r3v0|WhippleD is now known as r3v0 === r3v0 is now known as zz_r3v0 [09:09] kde === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [10:56] Hi. does anyone has Ktimetracker working on their Kubuntu 11.10? [11:07] kamilnadeem: i have to thank you for interviewing with mark [11:07] phoenix_firebrd: About which thing? [11:08] IRC session [11:08] kamilnadeem: ya [11:08] phoenix_firebrd: The pleasure was mine [11:08] kamilnadeem: your questions were clean and straightforward [11:08] phoenix_firebrd: You think so . [11:09] Thanks [11:09] kamilnadeem: ya , it was very useful, i missed that session [11:09] phoenix_firebrd: Yes it was great fun [11:10] kamilnadeem: some of the office apps in kde are not working properly [11:11] phoenix_firebrd: Yeah , I am currently writing a post on Kubuntu 11.10 and its extensive to say the least so checked that and It wasn't working [11:11] kamilnadeem: link please [11:12] phoenix_firebrd: about which ? [11:12] kamilnadeem: your post [11:13] I am currently writing it and halfway there , you will fin it here http://mknadeem.blogspot.com/ [11:13] when I have published it [11:13] find* === mat__ is now known as Guest44949 [11:24] phoenix_firebrd: Which question did you find the most interesting ? [11:25] kamilnadeem: i forgot, i have to check it agian, do you want me to check it? [11:25] phoenix_firebrd: No [11:26] Will be taking your leave now [11:26] Tc. [11:26] kamilnadeem: if i remember it was about ubuntu in tv and mobile, i guess [11:27] kamilnadeem: ok, see you [11:27] ggf === Guest44949 is now known as michiganmachine [12:09] Hello. KDE 4.7.4 was released a week ago, any schedule on when it'll be in the kubuntu repos? === luke is now known as Guest58891 [12:11] j0naslarss0n: no [12:11] j0naslarss0n: no time for this release i guess [12:12] it will take more [12:38] Hi all. I'm about to finally make the switch to kubuntu. Have both the 32 & 64 ISO's lying about, but don't know which I should go for. My 4 year old Dell has a 1.73 Ghz Core Solo CPU, 2GB ram & 160Gb HDD. Which should I install 32 or 64 bit? Will the 64bit version be more CPU intensive & draw more power from the battery or not? Also, which is faster? Have no idea what to go for. I just need some solid advice. Regards. [13:01] hi [13:04] lorenza: hi [13:34] hey all [13:42] sup sup [13:54] nada [13:55] BluesKaj: 32bit? [13:55] or 64? [13:55] 84 [13:55] LOL [13:55] :) [13:55] 64 [13:56] ok so you can't test :P [13:58] maybe [14:00] BluesKaj: :P http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/unity-panels/ [14:00] you know, ive never tried 64, are there any bugs in it ? [14:01] not doing any unity Peace- , sorry [14:01] ihihi [14:02] Yeah rly , i dont want a celltop, i want a desktop [14:02] it's only a panel after all [14:02] :S [14:02] one my lappy, i went w/kayta, its still gnome2 and works great [14:03] i use kde :) and this is kubuntu channel no gnome are allowed [14:03] xD [14:03] gnomes [14:03] Peace-, mypanel already looks very similar [14:04] well, its both, i loaded kde on it [14:04] BluesKaj: :) [14:05] Why does Kate always lag or, inclusively, crash? [14:05] whats your hardware [14:05] new2net: run kate on konsole [14:06] new2net: without informations you will not get any help [14:06] o, nvm, i misunderstood [14:09] Peace-, http://imagebin.org/188383 [14:10] had to resize the image down to 1.9mb [14:11] Tech-1, it's not my hardware :), Peace- what kind of information I can give you. It always lags and/or crashes. I suppose I expect it not to is as much information I have. The KDE for Win version does the same thing. [14:12] new2net: if you can run kate on konsole you can get informations [14:12] if you can't get that informations = no help [14:12] new2net, have you considered turning off akonadi and nepomuk? [14:13] BluesKaj, they aren't on [14:14] new2net, what's the specs on your pc? [14:24] bye === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:06] Hello can anyone tell me how to restore the panel in Kubuntu [15:08] :( Hello can anyone tell me how to restore the panel in Kubuntu [15:08] senyahel: restore in which sense? [15:09] add a new panel, when you have none? [15:09] senyahel, right click on the desktop add panel , empty or default [15:09] senyahel: right click on the desktop, choose Unlock widgets. Then right click again, add panel [15:10] BluesKaj: :) [15:10] hi Lynoure [15:34] quit [15:42] Lynoure: I have lost the active windows in the panel [15:45] I have lost my Active windows part of the Panel can anyone help me!! [15:47] I have lost my Active windows part of the Panel can anyone help me!! [15:51] :( I have lost my Active windows part of the Panel can anyone help me!! [15:51] um..not a good nic there [15:52] if you lost the panel then your windows are probly gone [15:52] BluesKaj: I believe senyahel means the window list applet [15:52] Or whatever KDE calls it [15:53] active windoes show in the panel Pici , that's what I got from his question [15:53] yes like windows the taskbar has the active and inactive windows on the taskbar [15:53] he lost his poanel , now his active windows are gone [15:53] yes [15:53] sorry for the PM [15:54] So... re-add the panel or applet [15:54] I don't know which panels to re-add [15:55] If I used KDE I'd be looking now and trying to help... but I'm stuck on Windows today. [15:56] I'm using the new Kubuntu 11.10 [15:56] heh, every time a customer comes with windoze, it feels so awkward anymore to use it. [15:57] senyahel, you have your panel back , correct? Now you just need the windows that were open previous to the panel disappearing , correct ? [15:58] the main panel is there but the part of the panel that shows the active and in-active windows are gone [15:59] use the default panel senyahel , then you can add your fav widgets etc , it might even detect the open/active windows, but I doubt it. you also need to readd the taskbar [16:00] can you tell me what that means " read the taskbar: [16:00] err sorry it's now called the task manager [16:01] re-add [16:01] Ok thanks I'll try that!!! === david is now known as Guest52043 [16:15] heh, i used to live in schenectady === pirianna is now known as linforcer === Guest73196 is now known as Mamarok [16:51] Hey, guys, I've been out of the linux game for a while, did things change drastically to xorg.conf or something? [16:51] there's like 4 lines in there [16:51] amarom1.4 rocks [16:51] amarok* [16:52] linforcer: You can change the config in xorg.conf to override the autoconfig. [16:52] DarthFrog: does autoconfig run at boot every time or something like that? [16:53] There's also a lot of stuff in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d [16:53] linforcer: I've not bothered to figure out what's up with the new way. As long as it works, I'm OK. :-) [16:54] hello. can I found anywhere dooble fresh debs? [16:54] DarthFrog: true, but I've just done my first laptop install and the touchpad is not sensitive to the touch enough [16:54] linforcer: the synaptics config is in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d [16:54] DarthFrog: oooh great [16:55] DarthFrog: what's synaptics vs. synapics-quirks? [16:56] linforcer: Haven't a clue, sorry. [16:56] DarthFrog: no worries. thanks anyway === |GuS| is now known as [GuS] === go8765 is now known as go8765_afk === max is now known as Theishi === go8765_afk is now known as go8765 [17:33] hey, in maverick, 'xrandr' showed "LVDS"and"VGA" using oneiric i only see a "default" device (my laptopscreen) -- what is missing to able to use xrandr again? (intel onboard chip) === panne is now known as the_panne === david is now known as Guest83181 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === fernando is now known as Guest96438 [19:58] hi [19:58] hi [19:58] I love KDE [19:59] when will kde 4.7.4 be available? [20:00] Yes 4.7.4 [20:00] gribouille, Zippa: it should be ready soon [20:00] Quintasan, when? === brian is now known as Guest18645 [20:01] Can't give you ETA since I have not been able to keep up with the development due to school [20:02] Quintasan, this week or not? [20:02] Ubuntu + KDE [20:03] gribouille, sounds reasonable [20:04] :-) === lemon is now known as l3m0n === me is now known as Guest44350 [20:12] my bluettoth icon disapperaed what should i do === dorota is now known as Dorofia [20:13] kde bluetooth settin says no bluetooth adaptors found' [20:13] anybody? [20:17] I'm running Kubuntu 11.10, I just installed a set of updates, restarted like it asked me to and now my system wont boot, I did a command line start up and when I try to do startx it says the nvidia kernel module isn't working, can someone tell me how to recover from this? [20:18] 12/13/11 11:32:16 PM me-N53SV modprobe FATAL: Error inserting bluetooth (/lib/modules/3.0.0-14-generic/updates/cw-3.1/bluetooth.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) [20:18] my boot error4 [20:20] nobody? [20:22] As I remember it the nvidia linux driver will compile from source im gonna try that [20:24] copacetic: did you install an Nvidia module anyway? [20:38] he'll be back , those proprietaru drivers are real hit and miss, mostly miss [20:41] to be honest, I never had them miss on any previous install [20:42] I downloaded the nvidia drivers from nvidia and compiled the kernel module after removing nvidia-current [20:42] that seemed to work for me [20:48] the default nvidia-current recommended driver works 99% of the time in my experience , haven't seen the proprietaries from the nvidia site work well at all === waky is now known as sleepy === sleepy is now known as Guest70922 === phdp is now known as Shinka === Guest70922 is now known as waky [21:48] okay so knetworkmanager decided to remove itself from autostart... [21:48] how can i get it to automatically start at boot/login? [21:53] EvilResistance, are you sure it's even installed? [21:53] BluesKaj: yeah, i installed it myself, overriding whatever came by default [21:54] running knetworkmanager from alt+f2 loads it [21:54] and its icon shows up at the notifications bar/icons bar at the bottom right [21:54] somehow it stopped automatically running [21:54] and i cant figure out how/where to turn its autostart back on [22:00] hello. my kwin suddenly crashed and now I don't have desktop effects (transparency, etc). how do I fix this? [22:00] EvilResistance, do you have a .knetworkmanager dolphin , open dolphin>view>hidden files [22:01] no i dont have one [22:01] but aptitude show knetworkmanager shows it as installed [22:01] so does Synaptic when i'm in GNOME [22:01] (don't ask why i have both KDE and GNOME) [22:02] ok look in dolphin .kde [22:03] ok, I found the option [22:03] now copy it to autostart in the .kde file [22:03] BluesKaj: i found a knetworkmanagerrc file in ~/.kde/share/config [22:05] BluesKaj: would putting a symlink to knetworkmanager's executable in .kde/share/autostart/ make it autoload? [22:06] EvilResistance, sorry , it should be the knetworkmanager.sh f [22:06] file [22:06] there is no such file on the system :/ [22:06] *tests a theory* [22:06] EvilResistance, that's what i did to get dropbox to work [22:08] ok , well, it's worth a try , then add it to the startup in system settings if needed [22:09] ah there we go... [22:09] BluesKaj: got it to work... [22:10] ~/.kde/autostart [22:10] er Autostart [22:10]