[00:14] hey all [00:22] wxl, you still here? [00:25] Yo! [00:26] hi ! [00:26] The live cd has a really nice theme for the desktop [00:26] but the default theme after installing looks... less good [00:26] i thought it was the same [00:26] hmm [00:26] It defiantly isn't [00:27] definitely* [00:27] you should be able to find it Settings > Themes [00:28] aha, my mistake [00:28] I loaded the lode environment [00:28] instead of lubuntu [00:28] it's all beautiful again [00:29] :-) [00:29] I do have a problem [00:30] i can see my HDA ATI SB sound card using alsamixer ina terminal [00:30] but how can i select it ? [00:30] (and make it default) [00:36] hmm, all my fonts are massive, I'm seeing where I can change the dpi [00:54] hmm, it seems like there's no easy way to do this [05:13] ok so im running lubuntu (32-bit most current version) and i have an onboard ATI radeon HD 4200 tried the restricted drivers got a black screen and cant safeboot tried the manual FGLRX got the same thing...it is REALLY getting me mad [05:14] can someone please help me [05:15] it would be absolutely epic... i asked in the #ubuntu chan and they sent me here [05:16] lubuntu is basically a different face on ubuntu [05:16] the core of what is ubuntu should be there in lubuntu [05:16] that being said, if you can get that working on ubuntu, it should work on lubuntu [05:16] #ubuntu's just being poopy apparently [05:16] i know its just chan nazi's being asshats lol [05:17] :3> [05:17] gypseh: why do you want that driver? games? [05:17] asshat [05:17] the one guy told me to remove the xorg.conf but then what [05:17] (:3> i mean [05:18] i want to get the card working properly so i can use it for my desktop\games\videoplayback\cad (even though i know its not the best for cad....) [05:21] did you read all this gypseh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver ? [05:24] yea but im not really seeing what im spossed to do... [05:25] start at the beginning [05:25] you probably dont need that driver [05:25] i'd get rid of fglrx [05:25] nah i do cause the cube stuff doesnt work and i was getting minor graphics glitches [05:25] if you dont want 3d, and you arent having any issues, just use the one that works when you installed [05:26] cube stuff? [05:26] uh [05:26] compiz [05:26] thing is I DO want the 3d [05:26] oh crikey [05:26] yea lol sorry i been goin for the last 14hrs im kinda gettin wiped [05:26] i had mixed luck with compiz and LXDE [05:26] or XFCE [05:26] why don't you just install ubuntu? [05:26] i say, install ubuntu 10.04 [05:26] the driver support will be there [05:26] plenty of PPAs [05:26] gnome2.. the cube.. the fire [05:26] whtever else [05:27] i ran mint 10 awhile back and i got it working with FLGRX just fine i tried doing it this time and it just well craps out [05:28] ubuntu 10.04 is what you want [05:28] that would have been what mint 10 was based on i think [05:28] yuppers [05:29] that'll be literally like you install, click click click and boom [05:29] but see i tried setting up mint 10 as well and it was glitchy as hell when i ran the updates durring the install (installed ver was still mint 10 ) [05:29] im just confused as hell to why it worked then and dont now [05:29] mint blows [05:29] i never do updates during install [05:30] mint 12 blows..... [05:30] gypseh: its a different version [05:32] ah [05:32] so why is it that ATI cant make a working driver? [05:32] ati makes a driver ? [05:33] i thought those were all community reverse engineered? [05:33] they can of course, but they might not make one [05:33] im not sure [05:33] they have a linux x86_x64 download...and when i set it up the whole system just doesnt boot [05:33] gypseh: id read the fine print [05:33] sometimes its for a certain kernel version [05:34] and typically, its for the LTS [05:34] there is a suggestion on supported cards page that it should work with the "standard opensource driver" [05:34] whatever that is [05:34] thats what i said.... [05:34] gypseh, use card that is supported by opensource drivef [05:35] of course that extends as far as natty from what i can tell [05:35] it is i just dont know where the hell to get this opensource driver [05:35] gypseh: thats the one you were using [05:35] thats the one that will running after you install [05:36] ok so then its not the driver it's a glitch somewhere else? [05:36] gypseh: in not sure.. you'll need to remove some variables [05:36] of course if you install shitloads of drivers you can run into some problems with conflicts [05:36] LXDE is *not* expecting to do compiz [05:36] that has its own issues [05:37] im not sure how you set compiz up [05:38] do we need compiz for something? [05:39] im a fan of the cubes and fire too... but its not trivial getting that to work [05:40] yea to show that my 3d acceleration is working before i go hunting for a CAD program..... [05:40] glxgears [05:41] yea when i set up glx the system shits out lol [05:41] thats the issue [05:41] !language | gypseh [05:41] gypseh: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [05:42] gypseh: you can try different kernels [05:42] you can try a 12.04 daily image live and see.. [05:43] i wouldn't [05:43] i can't get the darn thing to install [05:43] well [05:44] rather i can't get it to boot [05:44] after install [05:44] im just suggesting it as an easy way to get at a newer kernel [05:44] but, dude is gone anyways... [05:45] just making discussion [05:45] i havent gotten around to installing it yet [05:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/894768 [05:46] Ubuntu bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument " [High,Fix released] [05:50] yeah... probably have to get the alpha image and update [05:51] been trying updates on dailies to no avali [05:51] the alpha is borked [05:51] you in #ubuntu+1 ? [05:51] usually they say in the topic when *not* to upgrade [05:51] yeah i should prolly head over there [05:52] i get tired of the big ubuntu channels tho [05:52] they get overly busy [05:52] i havent been in there for a while, but it was pretty laid back [05:53] * wxl heads over there with trepidation === JackyAlcine is now known as VirgilHawkins === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as C0nfus3d === VirgilHawkins is now known as JackyAlcine [07:44] hi there [07:45] how can I set the #2 sound card to default in alsamixer ? [07:46] Hello. [07:46] Can anyone help me with internet connection in lubuntu [07:46] I can try [07:46] what's the matter ? [07:47] This is the thing . I have password and username [07:47] I can dial and access it from windows [07:47] How do I do that in lubuntu [07:47] bridge.mode or something.. broadband [07:49] is it a wireless connection ? what is the security ? [07:49] no it is an adsl [07:50] so you're using a cable [07:50] yes [07:50] isd there any authentication , [07:50] ? [07:51] yeah [07:51] what is the security ? [07:51] how is it protected ? [07:51] It works on windows when I just create a broadband connection and give the username and password [07:53] you should try to find out what type of security is used first [07:53] and just use the same on linux [07:55] hmm .. this is what i see in modem page [07:55] bridging protocol , ubr llc/snap [07:55] but where do I login to that .. giving the username and pass? === C0nfus3d is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [09:02] I'm on 11.10. How do I make a virgin lxde/lubuntu desktop for a particular user? [09:10] The user can choose any desktop installed on bootup [09:10] frankcox679: Are you an actual user or a troll? [09:10] user [09:11] not an expert but used Linus exclusively for 3 years now [09:11] when you boot you can choose a different desktop everytime if you want [09:12] frankcox679: Yes, I know that. However, how is that germaine to my original question? [09:12] All you have to do is set up the new user [09:12] I donlt really see a p4roblem [09:13] have you read the manual? [09:14] Lubuntu is LXDE =That is what it means Lightweight [09:15] If you set up a new user he, she will automatically have an LXDE desktop [09:16] Welcome to the Lubuntu Desktop project [09:16] Contents [09:16] Welcome to the Lubuntu Desktop project [09:16] System requirements [09:16] Get Lubuntu [09:16] Get Involved [09:16] See Also [09:16] External links [09:16] The objective of the Lubuntu project is to create a variant of Ubuntu that is lighter, less [09:16] resource hungry and more energy-efficient by using lightweight applications and LXDE, The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, as its default GUI. [09:17] I can't figure out what your issue us, seriously [09:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu [09:18] At some point you have to read the manual-people are happy to help but you have to do your part as well [09:28] hi. How can I update my system from command line without invoking the gui based update-manager? [09:40] faLUCE: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade [09:51] JohnDoe_71Rus: thnks. and which is the command for upgrading the distro? [09:52] do you ask upgdade distro? [09:53] so do-release-upgrade [09:53] if you want to upgrade to a devel release, use -d [09:55] ok thnks again [09:56] I wonder did I mean with so sudo :D [09:59] else apt-get dist-upgrade [10:00] if you change release from sources, then you might run update and dist-upgrade [10:00] other wise not a huge difference with upgrade & dist-upgrade [12:45] I'm looking here https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop but cannot see how to report a bug in Lubuntu. [12:46] Can't find any instructions on this here, either: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation [12:46] what am I missing? [12:48] david_j_r: hang on a tick I'll get a link [12:49] david_j_r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs [12:49] That's what I was missing! Thanks head_vicitim. [12:50] david_j_r: glad to help :) [12:50] If only they were always so easy, eh? ;) [12:51] Hah it was nice to see a problem I could actually help solve ;) [12:51] lol [12:53] Just updated the front page in the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Report_bugs [12:54] I was just about to do that but I saw the email that you'd beaten me to it ;) [12:54] :D [12:54] (I'm jarednorris, one of the people who just got an email when you updated that page ;) ) [12:54] I can do _so_ little to help, I'm trying to do what little I can! [12:55] Ah, good to know - thanks. [12:56] david_j_r: you'd be surprised how much you can actually do. I'm not a technical person either but there is always plenty of call for help on the documentation and basic user assistance. [12:56] Every project needs its "idiot users" -- and that's where I come in. ;) [16:23] is there a way to install or use lubuntu on top of an Ubuntu install? [16:23] To at least benefit from the lightweight desktop? [16:24] thorn__: you can install lxde [16:25] you can select lubuntu-desktop for install, and see what is being added and/or removed, just to be safe [16:26] so sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop ? [16:26] thorn__: or in synaptic or whatever... where ever you manage pacakges [16:27] you can sudo apt-get install lxde [16:27] you should check if you do lubuntu-desktop [16:27] see what is going to be removed, and make sure you are comfortable with that [17:21] hi [18:28] hi, i changed the way a menu pops up when you right-click on desktop.. how do i get the lubuntu one back again? [19:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinit/+bug/903895 please have a look here [19:49] Ubuntu bug 903895 in xinit (Ubuntu) "[12.04] xinit is trying to install unity on lubuntu" [Undecided,New] [20:25] hello all, what would be the cleanest way to start a lubuntu machine at a virtual console, then run a command to start x, lxdm, and whatever else usually happens at boot time? [20:28] add text to kernel parameters [20:28] ro splash text [20:28] or what ever there reads [20:28] ro quiet splash [20:29] might be the original context after kernel, add text there and it should be okay [20:29] bioterror: is that directed at me? or part of a previous conversation? [20:30] yep [20:48] bioterror: thanks. looks like _results may vary_ as i peruse the topic. [21:09] bioterror: would the answer be the same if i asked, what would be the cleanest way to boot to a virtual terminal command prompt from which i could type startx or another command to get into the standard lubuntu graphical environment [21:10] ? [21:20] bkm: to start lubuntu it would be startlubuntu, to start a standard x session it would be start x [21:21] phillw: thanks. what is the cleanest way to get the machine to boot to a prompt? [21:21] bkm: on 11.10 you get a choice of DM when you go to log on (it's the bottom left window of choices) [21:22] one of those choices is not a virtual console command prompt [21:22] bkm: then follow what bioterror says to add to the grub code. [21:23] okay, still reading on that - thanks! [21:23] I've not tried alt-F2 on the log in screen. [21:24] grub code to go to vc?? [21:27] wxl: to prevent start lubuntu running / add it to the options of which environment you want (x , lxde, lubuntu) [21:27] i'm just saying it seems weird to do it in grub phillw [21:28] unless for temporary purposes only [21:28] i think there should be a vc option to the sessions anyways [21:28] wxl: it prevents the GUI kicking in. you could choose rescue mode, but then need to su to yourself and all the dangers of messing up permissions that entails. [21:28] wxl: that would close the graphical environment and switch to a vc? [21:29] alt F2 should take you to vc [21:29] yah [21:29] alt f7 will take you back to GUI [21:30] unless for some odd reason you don't want to run the gui at all [21:30] wxl yes [21:30] (which *I* don't necessarily find odd) [21:30] i want to just have a console and then run a command to fire up the spaghetti that is the lubuntu environment [21:31] wxl: he just needs to tell grub? [21:32] phillw: let's see the code [21:32] wxl: bioterror posted it earlier, scroll up. [21:33] not seeing it [21:33] /lastlog goes back to the 12th and i see nada [21:33] oh [21:33] text [21:33] huh. [21:33] weird [21:36] https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#gfxpayload [21:36] interesting [21:37] wxl: that looks quite cute :) [21:38] cute, huh? ;) [21:38] If you guys wish, I can fire up an VM and have a play with it. [21:38] * bkm might have to try this on another machine. seems like things could go wrong... [21:38] (yeah, I have got them back)! [21:38] bkm: that is why I said I can try it on a VM :) [21:38] nothing can go "wrong" [21:39] might not work :D [21:39] but nothing will go "wrong" [21:39] indeed, you just edit grub back. [21:39] i say TEMPORARILY edit the boot parameters [21:39] don't bother messing with grub [21:39] just hold down shift and then hit f6 and edit as needed and call it good [21:41] +1 wxl === robotman is now known as AlexAv [21:49] worked phillw ? [21:49] I was not asked to try? [21:50] oh i thought you implied you were [21:50] just kicking in a VM... bbs [21:51] what version lubuntu do you want me to install? [21:52] any [21:54] right clicking on desktop gives me now openbox menu.. how do i get the one from lubuntu back? [21:54] wxl, it takes a few mins to make a new VM [21:55] I upgraded all my system yesterday, so am still playing catch up on things like my VM's. [22:02] wxl: there is a bug on installing lubuntu (and most likely all of them), even if you say do NOT get the most recent updates, it still does. Which on my slow speed == 45 minutes :( [22:05] phillw: no worse than the latest dailies which grab unity.. which subsequently borks the boot [22:05] wxl: I also get the bug reports! just because I'm quiet, does not mean I'm not involved :) [22:05] see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinit/+bug/903895 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/899742 [22:05] Ubuntu bug 903895 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "[12.04] gnome-session is trying to install unity on lubuntu" [Undecided,New] [22:05] Ubuntu bug 899742 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "unity-greeter segfault in libgio-2.0.so.0.3000.1 on Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] [22:05] What a 'pile of dependancies' :P [22:05] oh ok well i guess you know [22:06] yorvik was pretty scathing in his following of the depedancies! [22:07] nobody here knows how fix the desktop menu? [22:08] Newk-laptop: exactly what did you do? [22:09] well there was this option in the menu that said something like "use openbox menu instead" but now i dont know how to change it back [22:10] I can send you a 'clean' .config file to put onto your machine which will return your desktop to "factory default" [22:10] hmm.. i rather not do it that way.. i could compare them maybe [22:11] where is this config file located? [22:14] it has something to do with pcmanfm ? [22:20] ah well, will try to fix this some other time. [22:25] Newk-laptop: if you will bear with us, I'm currently installing lubuntu onto a Virtual Machine so I can have a good look at your issue. I cannot do that at a click of my fingers, please be patient. you are not being ignored! [22:26] ok thank you! :) [22:26] meanwhile i try to find it too [22:27] lost your msgs in the fray Newk-laptop [22:27] i can fix this [22:27] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper.21 [22:28] found it [22:28] enjoy [22:28] wxl: thanks [22:28] http://is.gd/OpfMzO is shorter [22:28] np phillw [22:28] I knew we had FAQ's for a reason, just not had chance to review them recently :( [22:28] i wrote that one so i remember it (painfully) ;) [22:29] wxl: I know that feeling :) [22:29] thats it! [22:29] thank you! [22:29] no problem [22:29] now go find some bugs and report them, newk [22:29] ;) [22:29] :) [22:30] maybe ad an option in the openbox menu to this menu :D [22:33] i go log-off and on to check if its fixed [22:33] hm [22:33] i seem to remember mine being updated almost immediately [22:34] well maybe i got something in between when killing pcmanfm [22:34] brb [22:36] wxl, phillw, bioterror: thanks all. the /etc/default/grub option worked. i had to switch to another virtual console, then i su[doed] # lxdm start [22:37] okies bkm thanks for reporting back :) [22:37] yay.. its back :3 [22:41] Weird error trying to boot livecd --- EDD Error 8000 reading reading sector 27625 [22:41] gfxboot,C32 n0t a Com32R image [22:41] any ideas? [22:42] maybe a bad rom drive [22:42] bad iso download... bad disc [22:42] I loaded xp with same drive and used same disk on my laptop to install Lubuntu 10.10 [22:42] 11.10 I mean [22:43] cool [22:43] maybe test the hard drive? [22:43] tried another lubuntu disk-same problem [22:44] Jack Black perhaps? [22:44] ? [22:44] guess I will try testing hd -thanks [22:44] hard drive and memory [22:44] whiskey [22:46] thanks for reminding me -the guy had a 512 and a 256 chip so I changed to a similar 512-could be the problem [22:53] ls [22:53] gah! [22:53] ? [22:54] apparently it was the memory-everything was the same but the brand [23:02] hi all [23:02] I guys how can I find audio server in use on lubuntu? [23:03] pulseaudio just as with the other buntus filo1234 [23:04] wxl: I don't have pulseaudio installed, I've installed lubuntu-desktop from a minimal ubuntu install [23:04] I suppose I'm using alsa [23:04] but how can I see service from shell? [23:06] if you want to get to alsa controls you can do alsamixer filo1234 [23:07] i'm surprised minimal doesn't include pulseaudio [23:07] REALLY surprised [23:08] wxl: nope Idon't need to control my audio, and yes I use alsamixer normally [23:09] filo1234: what do you want again? [23:09] I'm only curious to know how to see server in use.. [23:09] so ps ax | grep alsa [23:09] doesn't say nothing [23:09] for example [23:11] pulseaudio's latency sucks [23:13] uhm maybe esaound [23:13] esound [23:15] bof, I don't know :-| [23:16] there is a page in the Ubuntu docs on how to switch to OSS [23:17] on secong thought they quit supporting it [23:17] frankcox679: sure but I don't have problem with audio :) [23:18] it worked for me on Isadora [23:18] I'm only to know wich server, lubuntu are using to [23:18] ok [23:19] I suppose alsa...but I'm not 100% sure [23:20] wxl: BTW I've installed from a minimal 10.04 ...maybe on oneiric it uses pulseaudio [23:21] alsa is in sbin so it must be [23:22] the Lubuntu alternate seems quicker [23:22] frankcox679: yeah but like each process I suppose that "ps" reveales it..if is in use [23:24] filo1234: yeah i don't know. i'd ask #ubuntu frankly [23:24] filo1234: installing lubuntu metapackages on ubuntu is NOT the same as lubuntu [23:26] yeah [23:26] ok thanks [23:26] Bye [23:29] cya === robotman is now known as AlexAv