[00:14] <genoobie_> hey all
[00:22] <genoobie> wxl, you still here?
[00:25] <jophish> Yo!
[00:26] <Su7> hi !
[00:26] <jophish> The live cd has a really nice theme for the desktop
[00:26] <jophish> but the default theme after installing looks... less good
[00:26] <Su7> i thought it was the same
[00:26] <jophish> hmm
[00:26] <jophish> It defiantly isn't
[00:27] <jophish> definitely*
[00:27] <Su7> you should be able to find it Settings > Themes
[00:28] <jophish> aha, my mistake
[00:28] <jophish> I loaded the lode environment
[00:28] <jophish> instead of lubuntu
[00:28] <jophish> it's all beautiful again
[00:29] <Su7> :-)
[00:29] <Su7> I do have a problem
[00:30] <Su7> i can see my HDA ATI SB sound card using alsamixer ina  terminal
[00:30] <Su7> but how can i select it ?
[00:30] <Su7> (and make it default)
[00:36] <jophish> hmm, all my fonts are massive, I'm seeing where I can change the dpi
[00:54] <jophish> hmm, it seems like there's no easy way to do this
[05:13] <gypseh> ok so im running lubuntu (32-bit most current version) and i have an onboard ATI radeon HD 4200 tried the restricted drivers got a black screen and cant safeboot tried the manual FGLRX got the same thing...it is REALLY getting me mad
[05:14] <gypseh> can someone please help me
[05:15] <gypseh> it would be absolutely epic... i asked in the #ubuntu chan and they sent me here
[05:16] <wxl> lubuntu is basically a different face on ubuntu
[05:16] <wxl> the core of what is ubuntu should be there in lubuntu
[05:16] <wxl> that being said, if you can get that working on ubuntu, it should work on lubuntu
[05:16] <wxl> #ubuntu's just being poopy apparently
[05:16] <gypseh> i know its just chan nazi's being asshats lol
[05:17] <wxl> :3>
[05:17] <holstein> gypseh: why do you want that driver? games?
[05:17] <wxl> asshat
[05:17] <gypseh> the one guy told me to remove the xorg.conf but then what
[05:17] <wxl> (:3> i mean
[05:18] <gypseh> i want to get the card working properly so i can use it for my desktop\games\videoplayback\cad (even though i know its not the best for cad....)
[05:21] <wxl> did you read all this gypseh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver ?
[05:24] <gypseh> yea but im not really seeing what im spossed to do...
[05:25] <wxl> start at the beginning
[05:25] <holstein> you probably dont need that driver
[05:25] <wxl> i'd get rid of fglrx
[05:25] <gypseh> nah i do cause the cube stuff doesnt work and i was getting minor graphics glitches
[05:25] <holstein> if you dont want 3d, and you arent having any issues, just use the one that works when you installed
[05:26] <wxl> cube stuff?
[05:26] <wxl> uh
[05:26] <holstein> compiz
[05:26] <gypseh> thing is I DO want the 3d
[05:26] <wxl> oh crikey
[05:26] <gypseh> yea lol sorry i been goin for the last 14hrs im kinda gettin wiped
[05:26] <holstein> i had mixed luck with compiz and LXDE
[05:26] <holstein> or XFCE
[05:26] <wxl> why don't you just install ubuntu?
[05:26] <holstein> i say, install ubuntu 10.04
[05:26] <holstein> the driver support will be there
[05:26] <holstein> plenty of PPAs
[05:26] <holstein> gnome2.. the cube.. the fire
[05:26] <holstein> whtever else
[05:27] <gypseh> i ran mint 10 awhile back and i got it working with FLGRX just fine i tried doing it this time and it just well craps out
[05:28] <holstein> ubuntu 10.04 is what you want
[05:28] <holstein> that would have been what mint 10 was based on i think
[05:28] <gypseh> yuppers
[05:29] <holstein> that'll be literally like you install, click click click and boom
[05:29] <gypseh> but see i tried setting up mint 10 as well and it was glitchy as hell when i ran the updates durring the install (installed ver was still mint 10 )
[05:29] <gypseh> im just confused as hell to why it worked then and dont now
[05:29] <wxl> mint blows
[05:29] <holstein> i never do updates during install
[05:30] <gypseh> mint 12 blows.....
[05:30] <holstein> gypseh: its a different version
[05:32] <gypseh> ah
[05:32] <gypseh> so why is it that ATI cant make a working driver?
[05:32] <holstein> ati makes a driver ?
[05:33] <holstein> i thought those were all community reverse engineered?
[05:33] <holstein> they can of course, but they might not make one
[05:33] <holstein> im not sure
[05:33] <gypseh> they have a linux x86_x64 download...and when i set it up the whole system just doesnt boot
[05:33] <holstein> gypseh: id read the fine print
[05:33] <holstein> sometimes its for a certain kernel version
[05:34] <holstein> and typically, its for the LTS
[05:34] <wxl> there is a suggestion on supported cards page that it should work with the "standard opensource driver"
[05:34] <wxl> whatever that is
[05:34] <gypseh> thats what i said....
[05:34] <bioterror> gypseh, use card that is supported by opensource drivef
[05:35] <wxl> of course that extends as far as natty from what i can tell
[05:35] <gypseh> it is i just dont know where the hell to get this opensource driver
[05:35] <holstein> gypseh: thats the one you were using
[05:35] <holstein> thats the one that will running after you install
[05:36] <gypseh> ok so then its not the driver it's a glitch somewhere else?
[05:36] <holstein> gypseh: in not sure.. you'll need to remove some variables
[05:36] <wxl> of course if you install shitloads of drivers you can run into some problems with conflicts
[05:36] <holstein> LXDE is *not* expecting to do compiz
[05:36] <holstein> that has its own issues
[05:37] <holstein> im not sure how you set compiz up
[05:38] <bioterror> do we need compiz for something?
[05:39] <holstein> im a fan of the cubes and fire too... but its not trivial getting that to work
[05:40] <gypseh> yea to show that my 3d acceleration is working before i go hunting for a CAD program.....
[05:40] <holstein> glxgears
[05:41] <gypseh> yea when i set up glx the system shits out lol
[05:41] <gypseh> thats the issue
[05:41] <bioterror> !language | gypseh
[05:42] <holstein> gypseh: you can try different kernels
[05:42] <holstein> you can try a 12.04 daily image live and see..
[05:43] <wxl> i wouldn't
[05:43] <wxl> i can't get the darn thing to install
[05:43] <wxl> well
[05:44] <wxl> rather i can't get it to boot
[05:44] <wxl> after install
[05:44] <holstein> im just suggesting it as an easy way to get at a newer kernel
[05:44] <holstein> but, dude is gone anyways...
[05:45] <wxl> just making discussion
[05:45] <holstein> i havent gotten around to installing it yet
[05:46] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/894768
[05:50] <holstein> yeah... probably have to get the alpha image and update
[05:51] <wxl> been trying updates on dailies to no avali
[05:51] <wxl> the alpha is borked
[05:51] <holstein> you in #ubuntu+1 ?
[05:51] <holstein> usually they say in the topic when *not* to upgrade
[05:51] <wxl> yeah i should prolly head over there
[05:52] <wxl> i get tired of the big ubuntu channels tho
[05:52] <wxl> they get overly busy
[05:52] <holstein> i havent been in there for a while, but it was pretty laid back
[05:53]  * wxl heads over there with trepidation
[07:44] <Su7> hi there
[07:45] <Su7> how can I set the #2 sound card to default in alsamixer ?
[07:46] <Anand> Hello.
[07:46] <Anand> Can anyone help me with internet connection in lubuntu
[07:46] <Su7> I can try
[07:46] <Su7> what's the matter ?
[07:47] <Anand> This is the thing . I have password and username
[07:47] <Anand> I can dial and access it from windows
[07:47] <Anand> How do I do that in lubuntu
[07:47] <Anand> bridge.mode or something.. broadband
[07:49] <Su7> is it a wireless connection ? what is the security ?
[07:49] <Anand> no it is an adsl
[07:50] <Su7> so you're using a cable
[07:50] <Anand> yes
[07:50] <Su7> isd there any authentication ,
[07:50] <Su7> ?
[07:51] <Anand> yeah
[07:51] <Su7> what is the security ?
[07:51] <Su7> how is it protected ?
[07:51] <Anand> It works on windows when I just create a broadband connection and give the username and password
[07:53] <Su7> you should try to find out what type of security is used first
[07:53] <Su7> and just use the same on linux
[07:55] <Anand> hmm .. this is what i see in modem page
[07:55] <Anand> bridging protocol , ubr llc/snap
[07:55] <Anand> but where do I login to that ..  giving the username and pass?
[09:02] <Firefishe> I'm on 11.10.  How do I make a virgin lxde/lubuntu desktop for a particular user?
[09:10] <frankcox679> The user can choose any desktop installed on bootup
[09:10] <Firefishe> frankcox679: Are you an actual user or a troll?
[09:10] <frankcox679> user
[09:11] <frankcox679> not an expert but used Linus exclusively for 3 years now
[09:11] <frankcox679> when you boot you can choose a different desktop everytime if you want
[09:12] <Firefishe> frankcox679: Yes, I know that.  However, how is that germaine to my original question?
[09:12] <frankcox679> All you have to do is set up the new user
[09:12] <frankcox679> I donlt really see a p4roblem
[09:13] <frankcox679> have you read the manual?
[09:14] <frankcox679> Lubuntu is LXDE =That is what it means Lightweight
[09:15] <frankcox679> If you set up a new user he, she will automatically have an LXDE desktop
[09:16] <frankcox679> Welcome to the Lubuntu Desktop project
[09:16] <frankcox679> Contents
[09:16] <frankcox679>     Welcome to the Lubuntu Desktop project
[09:16] <frankcox679>     System requirements
[09:16] <frankcox679>     Get Lubuntu
[09:16] <frankcox679>     Get Involved
[09:16] <frankcox679>     See Also
[09:16] <frankcox679>     External links
[09:16] <frankcox679> The objective of the Lubuntu project is to create a variant of Ubuntu that is lighter, less
[09:16] <frankcox679> resource hungry and more energy-efficient by using lightweight applications and LXDE, The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, as its default GUI.
[09:17] <frankcox679> I can't figure out what your issue us, seriously
[09:17] <frankcox679> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[09:18] <frankcox679> At some point you have to read the manual-people are happy to help but you have to do your part as well
[09:28] <faLUCE> hi. How can I update my system from command line without invoking the gui based update-manager?
[09:40] <JohnDoe_71Rus> faLUCE: sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:51] <faLUCE> JohnDoe_71Rus: thnks. and which is the command for upgrading the distro?
[09:52] <JohnDoe_71Rus> do you ask upgdade distro?
[09:53] <bioterror> so do-release-upgrade
[09:53] <bioterror> if you want to upgrade to a devel release, use -d
[09:55] <faLUCE> ok thnks again
[09:56] <bioterror> I wonder did I mean with so sudo :D
[09:59] <JohnDoe_71Rus> else apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:00] <bioterror> if you change release from sources, then you might run update and dist-upgrade
[10:00] <bioterror> other wise not a huge difference with upgrade & dist-upgrade
[12:45] <david_j_r> I'm looking here https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop but cannot see how to report a bug in Lubuntu.
[12:46] <david_j_r> Can't find any instructions on this here, either: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation
[12:46] <david_j_r> what am I missing?
[12:48] <head_victim> david_j_r: hang on a tick I'll get a link
[12:49] <head_victim> david_j_r: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
[12:49] <david_j_r> That's what I was missing! Thanks head_vicitim.
[12:50] <head_victim> david_j_r: glad to help :)
[12:50] <david_j_r> If only they were always so easy, eh? ;)
[12:51] <head_victim> Hah it was nice to see a problem I could actually help solve ;)
[12:51] <david_j_r> lol
[12:53] <david_j_r> Just updated the front page in the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Report_bugs
[12:54] <head_victim> I was just about to do that but I saw the email that you'd beaten me to it ;)
[12:54] <david_j_r> :D
[12:54] <head_victim> (I'm jarednorris, one of the people who just got an email when you updated that page ;) )
[12:54] <david_j_r> I can do _so_ little to help, I'm trying to do what little I can!
[12:55] <david_j_r> Ah, good to know - thanks.
[12:56] <head_victim> david_j_r: you'd be surprised how much you can actually do. I'm not a technical person either but there is always plenty of call for help on the documentation and basic user assistance.
[12:56] <david_j_r> Every project needs its "idiot users" -- and that's where I come in. ;)
[16:23] <thorn__> is there a way to install or use lubuntu on top of an Ubuntu install?
[16:23] <thorn__> To at least benefit from the lightweight desktop?
[16:24] <holstein> thorn__: you can install lxde
[16:25] <holstein> you can select lubuntu-desktop for install, and see what is being added and/or removed, just to be safe
[16:26] <thorn__> so sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop ?
[16:26] <holstein> thorn__: or in synaptic or whatever... where ever you manage pacakges
[16:27] <holstein> you can sudo apt-get install lxde
[16:27] <holstein> you should check if you do lubuntu-desktop
[16:27] <holstein> see what is going to be removed, and make sure you are comfortable with that
[17:21] <leszek> hi
[18:28] <Newk-laptop> hi, i changed the way a menu pops up when you right-click on desktop.. how do i get the lubuntu one back again?
[19:49] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinit/+bug/903895  please have a look here
[20:25] <bkm> hello all, what would be the cleanest way to start a lubuntu machine at a virtual console, then run a command to start x, lxdm, and whatever else usually happens at boot time?
[20:28] <bioterror> add text to kernel parameters
[20:28] <bioterror> ro splash text
[20:28] <bioterror> or what ever there reads
[20:28] <bioterror> ro quiet splash
[20:29] <bioterror> might be the original context after kernel, add text there and it should be okay
[20:29] <bkm> bioterror: is that directed at me? or part of a previous conversation?
[20:30] <bioterror> yep
[20:48] <bkm> bioterror: thanks. looks like _results may vary_ as i peruse the topic.
[21:09] <bkm> bioterror: would the answer be the same if i asked, what would be the cleanest way to boot to a virtual terminal command prompt from which i could type startx or another command to get into the standard lubuntu graphical environment
[21:10] <bkm> ?
[21:20] <phillw> bkm: to start lubuntu it would be startlubuntu, to start a standard x session it would be start x
[21:21] <bkm> phillw: thanks. what is the cleanest way to get the machine to boot to a prompt?
[21:21] <phillw> bkm: on 11.10 you get a choice of DM when you go to log on (it's the bottom left window of choices)
[21:22] <bkm> one of those choices is not a virtual console command prompt
[21:22] <phillw> bkm: then follow what bioterror says to add to the grub code.
[21:23] <bkm> okay, still reading on that - thanks!
[21:23] <phillw> I've not tried alt-F2 on the log in screen.
[21:24] <wxl> grub code to go to vc??
[21:27] <phillw> wxl: to prevent start lubuntu running / add it to the options of which environment you want (x , lxde, lubuntu)
[21:27] <wxl> i'm just saying it seems weird to do it in grub phillw
[21:28] <wxl> unless for temporary purposes only
[21:28] <wxl> i think there should be a vc option to the sessions anyways
[21:28] <phillw> wxl: it prevents the GUI kicking in. you could choose rescue mode, but then need to su to yourself and all the dangers of messing up permissions that entails.
[21:28] <bkm> wxl: that would close the graphical environment and switch to a vc?
[21:29] <phillw> alt F2 should take you to vc
[21:29] <wxl> yah
[21:29] <phillw> alt f7 will take you back to GUI
[21:30] <wxl> unless for some odd reason you don't want to run the gui at all
[21:30] <bkm> wxl yes
[21:30] <wxl> (which *I* don't necessarily find odd)
[21:30] <bkm> i want to just have a console and then run a command to fire up the spaghetti that is the lubuntu environment
[21:31] <phillw> wxl: he just needs to tell grub?
[21:32] <wxl> phillw: let's see the code
[21:32] <phillw> wxl: bioterror posted it earlier, scroll up.
[21:33] <wxl> not seeing it
[21:33] <wxl>  /lastlog goes back to the 12th and i see nada
[21:33] <wxl> oh
[21:33] <wxl> text
[21:33] <wxl> huh.
[21:33] <wxl> weird
[21:36] <wxl> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#gfxpayload
[21:36] <wxl> interesting
[21:37] <phillw> wxl: that looks quite cute :)
[21:38] <wxl> cute, huh? ;)
[21:38] <phillw> If you guys wish, I can fire up an VM and have a play with it.
[21:38]  * bkm might have to try this on another machine. seems like things could go wrong...
[21:38] <phillw> (yeah, I have got them back)!
[21:38] <phillw> bkm: that is why I said I can try it on a VM :)
[21:38] <wxl> nothing can go "wrong"
[21:39] <wxl> might not work :D
[21:39] <wxl> but nothing will go "wrong"
[21:39] <phillw> indeed, you just edit grub back.
[21:39] <wxl> i say TEMPORARILY edit the boot parameters
[21:39] <wxl> don't bother messing with grub
[21:39] <wxl> just hold down shift and then hit f6 and edit as needed and call it good
[21:41] <phillw> +1 wxl
[21:49] <wxl> worked phillw ?
[21:49] <phillw> I was not asked to try?
[21:50] <wxl> oh i thought you implied you were
[21:50] <phillw> just kicking in a VM... bbs
[21:51] <phillw> what version lubuntu do you want me to install?
[21:52] <wxl> any
[21:54] <Newk-laptop> right clicking on desktop gives me now openbox menu.. how do i get the one from lubuntu back?
[21:54] <phillw> wxl, it takes a few mins to make a new VM
[21:55] <phillw> I upgraded all my system yesterday, so am still playing catch up on things like my VM's.
[22:02] <phillw> wxl: there is a bug on installing lubuntu (and most likely all of them), even if you say do NOT get the most recent updates, it still does. Which on my slow speed == 45 minutes :(
[22:05] <wxl> phillw: no worse than the latest dailies which grab unity.. which subsequently borks the boot
[22:05] <phillw> wxl: I also get the bug reports! just because I'm quiet, does not mean I'm not involved :)
[22:05] <wxl> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinit/+bug/903895 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/899742
[22:05] <phillw> What a 'pile of dependancies' :P
[22:05] <wxl> oh ok well i guess you know
[22:06] <phillw> yorvik was pretty scathing in his following of the depedancies!
[22:07] <Newk-laptop> nobody here knows how fix the desktop menu?
[22:08] <phillw> Newk-laptop: exactly what did you do?
[22:09] <Newk-laptop> well there was this option in the menu that said something like "use openbox menu instead" but now i dont know how to change it back
[22:10] <phillw> I can send you a 'clean' .config file to put onto your machine which will return your desktop to "factory default"
[22:10] <Newk-laptop> hmm.. i rather not do it that way.. i could compare them maybe
[22:11] <Newk-laptop> where is this config file located?
[22:14] <Newk-laptop> it has something to do with pcmanfm ?
[22:20] <Newk-laptop> ah well, will try to fix this some other time.
[22:25] <phillw> Newk-laptop: if you will bear with us, I'm currently installing lubuntu onto a Virtual Machine so I can have a good look at your issue. I cannot do that at a click of my fingers, please be patient. you are not being ignored!
[22:26] <Newk-laptop> ok thank you! :)
[22:26] <Newk-laptop> meanwhile i try to find it too
[22:27] <wxl> lost your msgs in the fray Newk-laptop
[22:27] <wxl> i can fix this
[22:27] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper.21
[22:28] <wxl> found it
[22:28] <wxl> enjoy
[22:28] <phillw> wxl: thanks
[22:28] <wxl> http://is.gd/OpfMzO is shorter
[22:28] <wxl> np phillw
[22:28] <phillw> I knew we had FAQ's for a reason, just not had chance to review them recently :(
[22:28] <wxl> i wrote that one so i remember it (painfully) ;)
[22:29] <phillw> wxl: I know that feeling :)
[22:29] <Newk-laptop> thats it!
[22:29] <Newk-laptop> thank you!
[22:29] <wxl> no problem
[22:29] <wxl> now go find some bugs and report them, newk
[22:29] <wxl> ;)
[22:29] <Newk-laptop> :)
[22:30] <Newk-laptop> maybe ad an option in the openbox menu to this menu :D
[22:33] <Newk-laptop> i go log-off and on to check if its fixed
[22:33] <wxl> hm
[22:33] <wxl> i seem to remember mine being updated almost immediately
[22:34] <Newk-laptop> well maybe i got something in between when killing pcmanfm
[22:34] <Newk-laptop> brb
[22:36] <bkm> wxl, phillw, bioterror: thanks all. the /etc/default/grub option worked. i had to switch to another virtual console, then i su[doed] # lxdm start
[22:37] <phillw> okies bkm thanks for reporting back :)
[22:37] <Newk-laptop> yay.. its back :3
[22:41] <frankcox679> Weird error trying to boot livecd --- EDD Error 8000 reading reading sector 27625
[22:41] <frankcox679> gfxboot,C32 n0t a Com32R image
[22:41] <frankcox679> any ideas?
[22:42] <holstein> maybe a bad rom drive
[22:42] <holstein> bad iso download... bad disc
[22:42] <frankcox679> I loaded xp with same drive and used same disk on my laptop to install Lubuntu 10.10
[22:42] <frankcox679> 11.10 I mean
[22:43] <holstein> cool
[22:43] <holstein> maybe test the hard drive?
[22:43] <frankcox679> tried another lubuntu disk-same problem
[22:44] <frankcox679> Jack Black perhaps?
[22:44] <holstein> ?
[22:44] <frankcox679> guess I will try testing hd -thanks
[22:44] <holstein> hard drive and memory
[22:44] <frankcox679> whiskey
[22:46] <frankcox679> thanks for reminding me -the guy had a 512 and a 256 chip so I changed to a similar 512-could be the problem
[22:53] <bkm> ls
[22:53] <bkm> gah!
[22:53] <wxl> ?
[22:54] <frankcox679> apparently it was the memory-everything was the same but the brand
[23:02] <filo1234> hi all
[23:02] <filo1234> I guys how can I find audio server in use on lubuntu?
[23:03] <wxl> pulseaudio just as with the other buntus filo1234
[23:04] <filo1234> wxl: I don't have pulseaudio installed, I've installed lubuntu-desktop from a minimal ubuntu install
[23:04] <filo1234> I suppose I'm using alsa
[23:04] <filo1234> but how can I see service from shell?
[23:06] <wxl> if you want to get to alsa controls you can do alsamixer filo1234
[23:07] <wxl> i'm surprised minimal doesn't include pulseaudio
[23:07] <wxl> REALLY surprised
[23:08] <filo1234> wxl: nope Idon't need to control my audio, and yes I use alsamixer normally
[23:09] <wxl> filo1234: what do you want again?
[23:09] <filo1234> I'm only curious to know how to see server in use..
[23:09] <filo1234> so ps ax | grep alsa
[23:09] <filo1234> doesn't say nothing
[23:09] <filo1234> for example
[23:11] <Newk-laptop> pulseaudio's latency sucks
[23:13] <filo1234> uhm maybe esaound
[23:13] <filo1234> esound
[23:15] <filo1234> bof, I don't know :-|
[23:16] <frankcox679> there is a page in the Ubuntu docs on how to switch to OSS
[23:17] <frankcox679> on secong thought they quit supporting it
[23:17] <filo1234> frankcox679: sure but I don't have problem with audio :)
[23:18] <frankcox679> it worked for me on Isadora
[23:18] <filo1234> I'm only to know wich server, lubuntu are using to
[23:18] <frankcox679> ok
[23:19] <filo1234> I suppose alsa...but I'm not 100% sure
[23:20] <filo1234> wxl: BTW I've installed from a minimal 10.04 ...maybe on oneiric it uses pulseaudio
[23:21] <frankcox679> alsa is in sbin so it must be
[23:22] <frankcox679> the Lubuntu alternate seems quicker
[23:22] <filo1234> frankcox679: yeah but like each process I suppose that "ps" reveales it..if is in use
[23:24] <wxl> filo1234: yeah i don't know. i'd ask #ubuntu frankly
[23:24] <wxl> filo1234: installing lubuntu metapackages on ubuntu is NOT the same as lubuntu
[23:26] <filo1234> yeah
[23:26] <filo1234> ok thanks
[23:26] <filo1234> Bye
[23:29] <frankcox679> cya