[01:22] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[03:13] <funkyHat> wooo. dependency nonsense
[05:01] <OerHeks> hi, just tested 12.04 on usb, boot hangs @ waiting for network configuration ( wired )
[05:13] <OerHeks> not a good start, for a LTS
[05:14] <OerHeks> yes i did md5sum, anyone with a solution ?
[05:35] <urlin2u> OerHeks, its a alpha and your complaining, lol.
[05:36] <OerHeks> yes, wouldn't you, if it does not boot ?
[05:36] <OerHeks> not even with a time out without network.
[05:38] <OerHeks> i can make a bugreport, so the 'lol' is all yours.
[05:38] <OerHeks> *can't
[05:39] <OerHeks> i stop testing, bye urlin2u
[05:54] <edgy> Hi, is the flash plugin for 64-bit available in repos?
[05:58] <wxl> anyone having problems with unity-greeter segfaults? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/899742
[08:13] <nanobolic> does anyone know if ubuntu-bug is working in 12.04 as it is not for me
[08:13] <nanobolic> I'm trying to run it from Alt+f2
[13:34] <BluesKaj> hey all
[13:37] <Ravior> How can you update Adobe Flash Player without going through the Software Center?
[13:37] <Ravior> It has that Grey install button bug
[13:46] <Ravior> found a way
[14:15] <FernandoMiguel> boa tarde
[14:46] <alex_mayorga> FernandoMiguel: buen día
[14:51] <bjsnider> yofel_, what is the default media player for movie files in kde?
[14:59] <edgy> Hi, what package I need to install flash for amd64 in pp?
[15:02] <edgy> any hint?
[15:02] <bjsnider> it's called adobe-flashplugin
[15:04] <yofel> bjsnider: should be dragonplayer
[15:09] <bjsnider> doesn't say here what the backend is
[15:12] <_melvin_> join #python.de
[15:12] <BluesKaj> probly gstreamer
[15:15] <BluesKaj> I like dragonplayer , too bad it doesn't do DD/DTS passthru
[15:16] <edgy> bjsnider: apt-cache search adobe-flashplugin returns nothing
[15:16] <bjsnider> then it's not good enough to be the default
[15:17] <edgy> bjsnider: what do you mean?
[15:18] <bjsnider> wasn't talking to you
[15:20] <bjsnider> edgy, is the partner repo enabled?
[15:20] <bjsnider> if the package hasn't been copied over to precise you can grab the oneiric version on launchpad
[15:20] <bjsnider> last i heard kde was using libxine as the backend
[15:20] <bjsnider> laughed about that for days
[15:21] <BluesKaj> nope, bjsnider it's gstreamer in kde
[15:22] <bjsnider> swell
[15:25] <BluesKaj> well. it passes DD/DTS with VLC ...tried the VLC backend but it's too selective and unpredictable
[15:26] <edgy> bjsnider: no, let me enable it and try ...
[15:32] <BluesKaj> edgy, download from adobe, install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz ,then just copy the libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[15:35] <bjsnider> no, that's not better than the adobe-flashplugin package
[15:35] <bjsnider> for a number of important reasons
[15:35] <BluesKaj> works here
[15:35] <BluesKaj> with multiarch support and klash
[15:35] <bjsnider> yep, it works if you use firefox only, and you want to contstantly update the plugin yourself, and you don't care about all of the extra files adobe is now shipping with the plugin
[15:36] <BluesKaj> nope , using , chromium ...it; looks in the mozilla file
[15:36] <bjsnider> there's now included icons and a flash settings control panel
[15:37] <BluesKaj> does it still use the wrapper , because I'm trying to avoid that'
[15:37] <bjsnider> absolutely not
[15:38] <bjsnider> nspluginwrapper is out of the loop because flash-64 is on par feature-wise with flash-32
[15:39] <BluesKaj> then why did the wrapper plugin try to install itself when I tried to install adobe-flashplugin from the repos
[15:39] <edgy> bjsnider: the package is not in the partner repo
[15:39] <bjsnider> so it just hasn't been copied over yet
[15:39] <BluesKaj> a while back , mind you
[15:39] <bjsnider> grab the oneiric package from launchpad
[15:40] <edgy> BluesKaj: I think you installed the 32 bit one
[15:40] <BluesKaj> edgy, ,nope
[15:40] <edgy> bjsnider: do you have  link?
[15:40] <bjsnider> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin
[15:41] <BluesKaj> why would I try to install the 32 bit one
[15:41] <Ravior> look here: http://gamblis.com/2011/12/03/how-to-install-flash-player-on-ubuntu-12-04-alpha-1/
[15:41] <Ravior> worked for me
[15:41] <edgy> BluesKaj: because there is no 64bit in the repos now
[15:42] <BluesKaj> edgy, that's exactly why I downloaded the tar.gz file from adoabe , to avoid the auto32bit install
[15:43] <bjsnider> ugh, what a bunch of crap
[15:43] <bjsnider> that's such complete and utter garbage
[15:43] <bjsnider> i hope he got lots of google ad revenue for that brilliant post
[15:44] <bjsnider> the user is supposed to pay attention to new flash updates and do the same thing, which they probably forgot , the next time?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, critizise if you want but that method is similar to mine and it works , now why isn't the launchpad version the repos if it works so well
[16:27] <alex_mayorga> edgy: So http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work for you
[16:28] <edgy> alex_mayorga: that one was 32-bits
[16:28] <bjsnider> the partner repo is often empty in a +1 release until the final release happens, or at least closer to it
[16:30] <BluesKaj> what's the best path for the flashplayer ?
[16:32] <edgy> BluesKaj: I agree with bjsnider that installing for a .deb is much better especially for non-experts people
[16:32] <edgy> s/for/from
[16:32] <BluesKaj> libflashplayer.so works fine in the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin
[16:33] <edgy> BluesKaj: no one said it doesn't work.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> what';s the best location for the .so file so it works globally, is what i meant to say
[16:36] <edgy> BluesKaj: I just installed the oneiric version and it works globally
[16:38] <funkyHat> feh. update-manager keeps popping up and trying to suggest a partial upgrade when there are no partial upgrades that make any sense
[16:39] <BluesKaj> edgy, all I did was extract the launchpad oneiric file in ~/ , but is that sufficient ?...I also copied the libflashplayer.so to the mozilla plugin file
[16:41] <edgy> BluesKaj: if you copied the file manually and firefox and chromium are working, what's your problem exaclty?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> edgy, well, flv files seem to take a while to launch , so the flv file looks for the player where, by default? I guess that's what I'm asking
[16:45] <BluesKaj> anyway , gotta go ...bbiab , gonna change connections
[16:47] <edgy> I was disconnected
[16:48] <edgy> kvm would crash my host when I make the guest full-screen and back (ctrl-alt-f) twice
[16:50] <alex_mayorga> edgy: perhaps you should file a bug to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bugs
[16:51] <edgy> alex_mayorga: I said kvm not flash
[16:51]  * alex_mayorga wonders what are the benefits of flash 64 bit
[16:52] <alex_mayorga> edgy: still talking about the flash issue you mentioned earlier
[16:53] <edgy> alex_mayorga: no
[17:08] <edgy> any one here use kvm and kubuntu to test this bug?
[17:16] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, the file you got from launchpad is a deb. it should be installed by an app designed to handle debs, like software center, or at the cli, using dpkg -i
[17:23] <paulo_gomes> hi all
[17:23] <paulo_gomes> what happened to the flash 64 bits ppa?
[17:24] <bjsnider> it isn't necessary anymore
[17:25] <bjsnider> the 64-bit plugin is incorporated into the adobe-flashplugin package now
[17:25] <bjsnider> why is there so much flash talk today?
[17:25] <paulo_gomes> bjsnider: thnks
[17:32] <paulo_gomes> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/4KtGfX1m
[17:33] <paulo_gomes> bjsnider: why so many i386 depedencies?
[17:33] <bjsnider> because you are installing the wrong package
[17:33] <paulo_gomes> ops
[17:33] <paulo_gomes> i tried flashplugin-installer
[17:34] <bjsnider> the package that has superseded the old ones is called adobe-flashplugin. it's not in the partner repo yet because that's policy with +1 distros
[17:35] <paulo_gomes> bjsnider: so i have to wait until release, or is there other way to install?
[17:36] <bjsnider> you can grab the oneiric version from launchpad
[17:36] <bjsnider> what is this, international install flash day?
[17:37] <paulo_gomes> bjsnider: lol, just installed 12.04 and in firefox when trying to install flash plugin only appears gnash
[17:39] <bjsnider> i'd need to control his bot
[17:39] <bjsnider> oops, wrong chanel
[18:05] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/903663 noone facing this after latest dist-upgrade? (lubuntu)
[18:11] <trijntje> I'm trying to install precies (amd64) in virtualbox with oneiri 32-bit as host. When I try to boot the live cd I get an error that the kernel requires a X86-64 CPU.
[18:11] <trijntje> Is there something I can do to fix this or is it impossible to run a 64bit guest on a 32bit host?
[18:12] <iceroot> trijntje: enable vt-x in vbox, also see #vbox
[18:13] <wxl> am i the only one with a precise that won't boot due to segfaults in unity-greeter? (technically this is with lubuntu so that may be why..)
[18:14] <trijntje> iceroot: thanks. it looks like vt-x is enabled, maybe its disabled in the BIOS or something
[18:25] <trism> wxl: do you have gnome-settings-daemon installed?
[18:25] <wxl> given lubuntu, unlikely, trism
[18:26] <trism> wxl: unity-greeter requires gnome-settings-daemon but doesn't dep on it, so that may be why you're segfaulting
[18:26] <wxl> hmmm will check and see
[18:27] <wxl> of course, like i said, lubuntu doesn't use gnome
[18:29] <trism> wxl: yes but unity-greeter uses it (which is probably why lubuntu uses lightdm-gtk-greeter instead)...although it shouldn't segfault without it installed either, so may be another issue
[18:29] <wxl> trism.. right, but i didn't install unity-greeter. the installer did.
[18:31] <trism> wxl: which version did you install? (lubuntu, ubuntu, ...) if it was ubuntu and then you just installed lubuntu on top then I don't know, gsd should already be installed, and you have another issue
[18:32] <wxl> trism: i installed lubuntu and only lubuntu (wipe and install for that matter) from the latest daily iso
[18:34] <trism> wxl: weird, it shouldn't be installing unity-greeter then
[18:35] <wxl> trism: i'm surprised if that's so obvious that the bug i created didn't garner more attention
[18:37] <wxl> trism https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/899742
[18:37] <wxl> trism i have since tried fresh installs every day since of the dailies to no avail
[18:45] <trism> wxl: I'm downloading the lubuntu iso now so I'll take a look, as a workaround make sure lightdm-gtk-greeter is installed and change greeter-session in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to lightdm-gtk-greeter
[18:55] <wxl> trism: thx for the help. i'll let you know what i come up with (bear with me) if you let me know what you come up with ;)
[19:27] <sindile> if you install 12.04 alpha1 can you downgrade to 11.10, are there any references on this
[19:27] <sindile> as i could not find any
[19:28] <iceroot> sindile: no
[19:36] <trism> wxl: wow, not only is unity-greeter installed on the cd but so is unity
[19:36] <wxl> trism: that seems problematic :D
[19:58] <wxl> thx iceroot
[20:27] <FernandoMiguel> jpds: ping
[20:27] <FernandoMiguel> W: Failed to fetch mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [Mirror: http://mosel.estg.ipleiria.pt/mirror/distros/ubuntu/archive/]
[20:27] <FernandoMiguel> mirrors down?
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> guys anyone on the lastest kernel?
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> I have no eth on it
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> but Linux Bostro 3.2.0-3-generic #9-Ubuntu SMP Wed Dec 7 21:06:41 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:32] <FernandoMiguel> works
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> I'm on -4
[20:41] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, I had to boot on -3
[20:42] <FernandoMiguel> bbl
[21:13] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[21:15] <Daekdroom> This time we have less Alpha releases...
[21:31] <Daekdroom> !daily
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: TheMuso is here now, but seems to be kinda busy. you still have those HDMI bugs on hand? cc alex_mayorga
[22:04] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, no , the guy I was helping hasn't come back..I was inquiring on his behalf
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> k
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> TheMuso: basicly, I have a Dell Vostro V131, with gpu intel hd3000. when I plug hdmi to my TV, I only have ONE output system, that TV *OR* the laptop speaker
[22:09] <TheMuso> FernandoMiguel: Could you elaborate, only one output system?
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> on win7, I can place any app on either at any time
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> is this a limitation on Pulse?
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> output= where sound comes out
[22:09] <TheMuso> Yes.
[22:10] <BluesKaj> personally I prefer the older digital connections like coax and toslink
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> either laptop (speakers or headphone) or TV speakers
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> TheMuso: using the sound-indicator, it changes everything globaly
[22:10] <TheMuso> FernandoMiguel: Right, I think I know what you are talking about, but I need some output from some commands to confirm it. Please pastebin the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards"
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> ofc
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> shoot
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> let me plug the tv
[22:11] <TheMuso> See the command I posted above that I want the output from.
[22:11] <TheMuso> Then I also want the output of "aplay -l"
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> back
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> sorry
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> unity/compiz crashed when I plugged the tv :\
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> $ cat /proc/asound/cards | pastebinit
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/769493/
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> $ aplay -l | pastebinit
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/769494/
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> TheMuso: ^^^^^
[22:16] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[22:16] <TheMuso> Yep, its as I thought.
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> yw
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> same card?
[22:16] <TheMuso> Its actually to do with the way the ALSA devs decided to implement accessing certain HDMI connections.
[22:17] <TheMuso> THe HDMI audio is connected to the same chip as your analog inputs/outpus.
[22:17] <TheMuso> So if anything, its probably a limitation of PulseAudio, however I am not sure whether its possible to open audio via the analog outputs and the HDMI port as well.
[22:17] <TheMuso> I have a machine that has a similar configuration, so I need to test that some time, and see if a solution can be developed for PulseAudio.
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> thanks
[22:18] <TheMuso> So for now, unfortunately there is nothing that can be done, since Pulse treats the different connections as different profiles.
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> I know it works on windows, so the HW is capable
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> it's like the headphones
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> some laptops allow sound to be diverted to BOTH speakers and phones indepenetly
[22:18] <TheMuso> Yeah the hardware is capable, but the Linux Audio stack is currently limiting the usefulness of it.
[22:19] <FernandoMiguel> TheMuso: shame, considering Pulse was created to allow that and much more
[22:19] <TheMuso> FernandoMiguel: Yep, but pulse is just working within the limitations of ALSA. :p
[22:19] <FernandoMiguel> bah
[22:19] <FernandoMiguel> lets take ALSA off than :D
[22:19] <TheMuso> So if anything, its ALSA that probably needs fixing.
[22:19] <TheMuso> lol
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> lets all go back to JACK
[22:20] <TheMuso> Jack still uses alsa...
[22:21] <FernandoMiguel> does it?
[22:21] <FernandoMiguel> I though it was a low level stack
[22:21] <FernandoMiguel> replacing ALSA
[22:22] <TheMuso> No
[22:23] <TheMuso> Jack and pulse still use alsa to work at their best.
[22:23] <FernandoMiguel> anyone still using Parcelite? or am I the last one?
[22:25] <BluesKaj> TheMuso, I have a m-audio 192 soundcard that requires pulseaudio to play webaudio content , alsworks fine on the audio from the hardrive including flv files , but youtube etc plays the video but no audio without pulse ..I'd like to dump pulse if possible ..my audio is strictly digital out via coax to an audio receiver DAC
[22:26] <BluesKaj> no speaker connected to the pc
[22:28] <TheMuso> BluesKaj: What do you mean by no audio without pulse?
[22:29] <BluesKaj> web audio content needs pulseaudio , no sound on youtube etc without pulseaudio
[22:30] <TheMuso> Is there a really good reason why you don't want pulse?
[22:31] <BluesKaj> it's just a layer of sounderving that I don't think is required
[22:31] <BluesKaj> soundserving
[22:31] <BluesKaj> however , my onboard nvidia soundcard doesn't require pulseaudio , to play web audio ...but the sound thru the onboard is crappy
[22:32] <TheMuso> BluesKaj: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[22:32] <BluesKaj> 12.04 kubuntu
[22:33] <TheMuso> Ok so you are running precise.
[22:33] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:33] <TheMuso> Hrm, do you have libasound2:i386 and libasound2-plugins:i386 installed?
[22:33] <TheMuso> If you are on 64-bit that is...
[22:34] <BluesKaj> I can live with pulseaudio if I have to , but the m-audio soundcard is so clean without it
[22:35] <yofel> why would he need 32bit libs for sound on a 64 bit system o.O
[22:36] <yofel> esp. since we don't know what version of flash he's running (if at all)
[22:36] <BluesKaj> TheMuso, neither of those 32bit apps is installed ...I'm trying to stay 64bit pure here
[22:37] <BluesKaj> yofel, TheMuso , I'm running the latest 64bit adobe flashplayer , no wrappers or plugins
[22:38] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: right now, 1/4 of my system is i396
[22:38] <FernandoMiguel> *386
[22:38] <yofel> heh, I've got 32bit stuff for skype
[22:38] <FernandoMiguel> darn migration
[22:38] <yofel> wine isn't installable..
[22:38] <FernandoMiguel> many apps are
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> I still can't get Google Talk plugin installed for video conf and hangouts
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[22:39] <BluesKaj> flash_player_11_linux.x86_64 from launchpad , I installed this today
[22:40] <BluesKaj> yeah , my static skype won't run anymore either ...missing depends
[22:42] <FernandoMiguel> it's missing ia32-libs
[22:42] <BluesKaj> wife runs windows and we're both here in the tv room so she handles the skype calls on her pc
[22:42] <FernandoMiguel> almost all others work now
[22:44] <BluesKaj> anyway, BBL
[22:55] <TheMuso> BluesKaj: Well if you want to use flash, you will need those packages for audio.
[22:55] <TheMuso> the 32-bit ones.
[22:55] <TheMuso> ..unless you are using 64-bit flash....
[22:56] <TheMuso> BluesKaj: You could also trh http://www.youtube.com/html5
[23:21] <FernandoMiguel> I finally got google-talkplugin_current_i386.deb installed on 12.04 64bits
[23:21] <FernandoMiguel> but chrome doesn't recognize it :\
[23:22] <TheMuso> FernandoMiguel: Check where the plugin was installed, due to multi-arch, things have likely changed.
[23:23] <FernandoMiguel> TheMuso: I'm trying.... but I don't see it in the plugins list
[23:23] <FernandoMiguel> maybe I need to symlink to some weird dir
[23:23] <TheMuso> Possibly.
[23:35] <FernandoMiguel> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-chrome-unstable:i386:
[23:35] <FernandoMiguel>  google-chrome-unstable:i386 depends on libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0).
[23:35] <FernandoMiguel>  google-chrome-unstable:i386 depends on lsb-base (>= 3.2).
[23:35] <FernandoMiguel>  google-chrome-unstable:i386 depends on xdg-utils (>= 1.0.2).
[23:35] <FernandoMiguel> DAMN YOU multiarch
[23:42] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/904013
[23:57] <Daekdroom> Wine isn't installing either.
[23:57] <Daekdroom> But I expected it.
[23:57] <FernandoMiguel> Daekdroom: many many apps
[23:58] <FernandoMiguel> if you find some with depencies that haven't been reported yet, please fill them
[23:58] <FernandoMiguel> ia32-libs is known
[23:58] <Daekdroom> kk
[23:58] <FernandoMiguel> might even be a few extra bugs after ia-libs returns
[23:58] <FernandoMiguel> just found out chrome is one of them
[23:58] <FernandoMiguel> and he is gone
[23:58] <FernandoMiguel> and he is back
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> (13-12-2011 23:58:36) Daekdroom left the room (quit: Quit: Saindo).
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> (13-12-2011 23:58:39) freenode: might even be a few extra bugs after ia-libs returns
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> (13-12-2011 23:58:48) freenode: just found out chrome is one of them
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> (13-12-2011 23:58:50) freenode: and he is gone
[23:59] <Daekdroom> Ah.
[23:59] <Daekdroom> XChat was a bit weird, had to restart it.