[00:06] oh [00:17] christel: http://8tracks.com/smurph/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-dubstep [06:10] [Jono Bacon] Community Management Crib Notes: A New Era Of Community Management - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/13/community-management-crib-notes-a-new-era-of-community-management/ [07:47] good morning [07:47] tad stormy here [07:49] Indeed danfish https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/146494548904906752 indeed... [07:52] ooh, unfortunate [07:53] I think I'll spend the morning Christmas shopping [07:53] * danfish fires up amazon :) [07:53] lol - I'm off to High Wycombe shortly. Talking vtiger CRM... [08:07] Morning all [08:07] \o/ popey [08:10] going to make http://www.slowcookerclub.com/recipes/beef/awesome-chili-con-carne.html today i think [08:11] [Jono Bacon] LoCo Council Goings On In 12.04 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/13/loco-council-goings-on-in-12-04/ [08:15] Looks like a good recipe for a slow cooker popey - not used one since my first house (~20yr ago) myself though. [08:15] Gosh - in fact ~25yr ago. [08:15] My endowment policy matures next year IIRC. [08:16] bigcalm: \o/ [08:16] morning popey, TheOpenSourcerer :) [08:18] Hi christel [08:23] morning all [08:26] Morning AlanBell [08:27] morning AlanBell :) [08:29] Hmm traffic sounds a bit pants this morning. Wondering whether to go M3-M25-M40 to High-Wycombe or go "off-piste" and through Bracknell/Maidenhead cross-country... [08:31] do you save much/if any time on going M25/M40? (under normal traffic conditions) [08:31] Yeah - about 1/2hr according to the big G [08:33] And it is only marginally longer, e.g. ~2 miles [08:34] aloha [08:34] *nod* i am trying to think how long it used to take to drive to beaconsfield back when i frequently did that, but i want to say it only took about 40mins and that i went through slough (so heading reading direction i guess) but its been a few years and i must be mistaken if the M25 route can save you 40mins! :) [08:34] er 30mins [08:34] * TheOpenSourcerer ducks in case czajkowski is in "one-of-those-moods". [08:35] (i have very selective memory and an irrational fear of driving on the motorway, well, driving in the uk, but motorway most of all) [08:35] christel: Go on a Speed Awareness Course. Motorways are almost infinitely safer than other roads. [08:36] ~70% of all accidents occur in urban (30mph) areas. 26% on Rural and 4% on Motorways. [08:37] see, i learned to drive in norway, in a small town by the arctic circle -- i could drive for four hours and meet 3 cars in that time -- then i moved here and through some bizarre fuckedupness on my part managed to set off in the wrong direction from a service station on the M62 [08:37] Deaths are: ~30%, ~69% and ~4% respectively. [08:37] luckily it was 6 am and it went fine and i managed to turn around [08:37] but it scared me senseless [08:37] lol [08:38] i think i really need to take some lessons to get my confidence back *and* get used to this whole "wrong side of the car/road" thing -- i try to avoid driving as much as i can, and when i have to i end up opening the door instead of changing gears! :) [08:39] and if anyone is in the car with me they end up screaming at me that i am "WAY TOO BLOODY CLOSE TO THE CURB" (tsk!) [08:39] i am a really rubbish (as in lacking in confidence) driver since moving here :) [08:39] Oh man. 1trillion fps camera: chime.in/user/Bill/chime/83832090542510080 [08:40] See light "moving" [08:40] TheOpenSourcerer: nope am ok and never in a mood with you, davmor2 and MooDoo is another matter [08:41] mORNING ALL [08:41] See Johnny has hung up his boots :-( [08:41] czajkowski: you will be pleased to know that david has learned to say "rugby" [08:41] (well, it's more like "rubby" but the sentiment is there) [08:42] whooo [08:42] christel: unless he plans to be a ruby developer at which point all is list [08:42] *lost [08:42] hehe [08:42] christel: danfish is orgnaising an Ubuntu rugby meet up in the new year [08:43] czajkowski: i think the childminder takes him to the rugby club, and our neighbours are like involved with it, so now when he sees tina or tim he points at them and goes "RUBBY RUBBY" (bless) [08:43] awww cute [08:44] it is a bit! :) [08:44] i have made the executive decision to take him to rugby tots when he hits 2, however it appears the closest one is guildford [08:45] that is a bit of a treck [08:45] good morning all [08:46] yeah, i'm not sure why noone more local does it [08:47] whoo a week to go to ireland :D [08:47] And the weather is getting much worse... [08:47] :D [08:47] Think you'll be havign some fun travelling czajkowski ? [08:48] TheOpenSourcerer: nope weatherforecsat looks good [08:48] no snow [08:48] I just need to remember next week to get up and get train to heathrow and not gatwick like I usually do [08:59] uhhhh... are we one of the teams being twinned? [09:00] ah, no :) [09:00] [09:04] daubers: aye ye are [09:04] teams twinned? [09:05] daubers: aye 5 approved teams have been selected to twin with an unapproved team to help them grow [09:05] learn about locoteams and how they are organised and help them in the ubuntu community [09:08] czajkowski: Is there a mailing list post or web link about it [09:09] christel: thought you might like to start your day with a little wub [09:09] Morning peeps :) [09:10] bigcalm: aye! i love starting my day with some wub wub wub :D [09:10] czajkowski: We are being twinned? Looking at the blueprint I didn't think we where.... [09:11] [09:11] Goodly morning [09:11] morning matthew :) [09:11] daubers: Have you got a link to the blueprint docs for that [09:12] DJones: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-lococouncil [09:12] Thanks [09:12] DJones: we're working on the blog post this week and mailing the unapproved teams [09:12] Although I might be misreading it [09:12] bugs have been created for the approved teams and the team contacts aka AlanBell have been added to them [09:15] I have [09:15] dunno who we are twinning with though [09:16] \o/ loco twinning [09:16] Its a great idea [09:16] it was popeys ideas before he left [09:16] so this cycle we're trying it out with 10 teams 5 approved and 5 unapproved [09:16] I thought towns in europe were twinned so that they didn't attack each other after ww2? [09:16] So.... does this mean we have to start being more active again? :p [09:17] * daubers obviously hasn't been keeping up very well with the Ubuntu news recentlt [09:17] daubers: You're going to have to learn another foreign language [09:18] good morning everyone. [09:18] DJones: There's a redundant "nother" in that sentence [09:19] daubers: I thought you may be better at foreign languages than me and could have known a 2nd one [09:19] DJones: I speak 2 languages, English and bad English [09:20] it's too early for ye lot this morning [09:20] shhh go back to sleep [09:20] zzzzz [09:20] Don't tempt me [09:21] Is there anything known on how this stuff will work yet? Or is it all a bit fuzzy? [09:21] popey: did you request permission to pubcrawl? :) [09:21] I did not christel, when is it again? [09:22] daubers: blog post to follow but we have some ideas [09:22] czajkowski: make sure to twin us with someone we wont play in the rugby yeah? [09:22] popey: i think alan suggested wednesday (tomorrow? or did he mean next wednesday?) [09:22] christel: you mean beat ye,...... that's kinda hard :p [09:22] *ducks* [09:22] czajkowski: :P [09:22] no idea [09:22] Maybe Ireland could be twinned with Wales :) [09:22] wilkinson has retired from international [09:22] DJones: wales is part of the UK loco. [09:23] czajkowski: I'll keep an eye out for it :) [09:23] True, I wasn't thinking like that, definately too early for me [09:23] * daubers might end up experimenting with OpenGL in python tonight [09:24] christel: popey: I think the pub was suggested by gordonjcp who is popping down from Scotland tomorrow [09:26] oooh [09:26] Lock up your radios [09:27] There are now 8 computers on my desk. This is ridiculous. [09:27] well, 9 if you include a kindle [09:28] I have a kindle related conundrum [09:28] are you counting smartphones in that? [09:28] Using my tax refund (WOOOOOOOOO), should I buy a) a kindle, or b) a DSO quad? [09:29] there's no smartphone on my desk, but yeah, I should do [09:29] Is that a bike? [09:29] bigcalm: A pocket sized digital oscilloscope [09:29] How sweet [09:29] Morning all! :) [09:30] Good morning JamesTait [09:30] morning all! [09:30] popey, JamesTait [09:31] popey: you have too many toys! [09:37] I do. [09:37] I think Google+ Secret Santa needs more Britons [09:37] is that still going? [09:37] stupid Americans are afraid of amazon.co.uk [09:38] daubers: Kobo Touch rather than a kindle :) [09:38] popey: well atleast amazon.co.uk claims that six days of Christmas shopping left [09:40] I'm only allowed 1 free repo on github? [09:40] * bigcalm scratches his head [09:40] bigcalm: you want pvt repos? [09:40] that doesn't sound right [09:41] open source are free, can make as many as you want [09:41] dogmatic69: I currently run my own svn server and I want to put a project out for people to join in on. Seems I already have a repo on github from long ago [09:41] bigcalm: open ones are free, I have about 30 repos on my account [09:41] moving to git is the way forward btw ;) [09:42] Then I'm not understanding the github interface :) [09:42] i find it a bit confusing too, been using it for 2 years :/ [09:43] i have learnt how to get a projects git address from github, so i just run in, grab it and get out [09:43] I don't see the option to add a new public repo [09:44] Typing in the URL /repositories/new worked [09:45] But couldn't find a link otherwise [09:45] bigcalm: click dashboard at the top [09:46] then on the right just above your list of repos is new repo [09:50] AlanBell: what time are we expecting gordonjcp to arrive? :) [09:54] Does it take a while for newly added files to appear in github? [09:54] Ah [09:54] I need to commit before pushing [09:56] https://github.com/bigcalm/Twitter-IRC-Gateway [09:57] christel: I have no idea [09:57] hehe yes you do bigcalm, yes you do [09:57] gord: svn is much simpler for my little brain :) [10:04] Now, my project uses 2 files from another github repo. I haven't included them in my repo yet, wondering what the accepted method is [10:04] git submodules [10:05] The menu in the upper-right corner, where we find Update Manager and Shutdown and such-like. Is that the Session Indicator? [10:05] git submodule add path/to/where/it/goes [10:06] I ask because it's not present on my machine after upgrading to Precise and I want to file a bug. [10:06] morning all [10:08] dogmatic69: repo_url being git://github.com/foo/bar.git ? [10:08] bigcalm: you want the public address, so its https://something last time i checked [10:08] if you open the repo in question the url is at the top [10:09] just above the files list [10:09] It is, but there is a git option for the URL as well [10:09] I'll use the https version [10:09] there is ssh, http, read only [10:09] either http or read only will work for you [10:09] ssh will not allow others to check the submodules out [10:10] You need to run this command from the toplevel of the working tree. [10:10] That's annoying [10:10] yep [10:10] its once of thing [10:11] Found that I can use the git:// url [10:11] yep, just saw that is the read only url [10:12] bigcalm: i made a horrible script for importing branches and tags from svn to git if you like [10:12] It's ok [10:12] I did an svn export and copied the files in [10:12] it starts off like #!/bin/php5 [10:13] bigcalm: you can import it with all the history [10:13] git svn ftw [10:13] As the repo was only on revision 8, I didn't mind losing the commit messages [10:13] Or the revision history [10:13] hehe [10:13] ok [10:26] there seems to be a lot of numpties out there retweeting/sharing an old BBC april fools story about tv signals :( [10:29] oimon: got a link handy? [10:29] e.g. https://plus.google.com/115982047784351676092/posts [10:30] this guy has been told, but loads of others are forwarding/sharing [10:30] without engaging brain [10:31] the missing dr episodes? [10:35] dogmatic69: yeah [10:35] unrelated to the slashdot story about missing dr who episodes [10:36] i heard something the other day on bbc about a found missing dr episode, but that was in some old geezers cupboard, not bouncing back from outer space [10:37] yeah lol [10:37] dogmatic69: I read about that, sadly, for one of them, the other 3 episodes in the story were still lost [10:43] oimon: got to wonder what the path loss over 100 light years would be [10:44] all the episodes would have a red tint to them [10:44] i have seen one DVD of dr who which has 2 filmed episodes and 2 animation - really good [10:45] * dogmatic69 has never watched dr who [10:46] oh [10:46] wow [10:46] :) [10:46] not my cup of tea :P [10:46] the best time to watch it was the 80s [10:46] top gear, how its made and myth busters is pretty much all my tell shows ;) [10:46] * oimon can't stand the soap operas in space e.g. star trek etc [10:47] * oimon is enjoying the forbrydelsen atm [10:47] Piiiiiiigs Iiiiiiin Spaaaaaaaaaaace [10:47] I fear that many here won't be old enough to get the reference [10:47] Muppets are awesome [10:50] i liked them as a child, but now i'm grown up :) [10:52] I never liked the muppets [10:54] puncture proof tyres - are they real and are they any good? === PaulW2U_ is now known as PaulW2U [10:58] :O http://t.co/5jMC2DbJ [10:58] 1 trillion frames per second camera [11:03] dogmatic69: I think it is a significantly lower fps camera, just with the same scene imaged again and again with very precise offsets in when the shutter starts [11:04] (not able to watch the video atm) [11:05] that is basically what they are doing, there is something clever going on, but it isn't being described very well [11:05] t-mobile users can use orange 3G signal now too [11:09] seems like it does not take pictures, but records data and then fed to a pc to render as a video / picture [11:09] cant listen to the audio, just reading other links [11:11] [Dan Fish] GU10 halogen bulbs are bad a year on - http://www.ossmedicine.org/home_automation/12/gu10-halogen-bulbs-are-bad-a-year-on/ [11:41] morning all [11:41] o/ [11:42] davmor2: Good morning how are you this fine day ? [11:42] morning davmor2 czajkowski [11:42] MooDoo: ello chappy [11:42] I hate christmas when it comes to standard shopping 20 minutes at the cash point, 45 minutes in Iceland queue for 4 things, 10 minutes waiting in the queue for the mother-in-law denture fix [11:43] morning MooDoo [11:43] davmor2: stop whineing, it's nothing new to you, you do it every year :p and yes i'm a grumpy sod today [11:43] and every other day [11:43] czajkowski: oi i'm not grumpy every day [11:43] czajkowski: read above I'm annoyed [11:43] some of us are smart and shop online ;) [11:44] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 awww there there [11:44] yup all done and wrapped [11:44] in the suitcase [11:44] * MooDoo hugs davmor2 :D [11:45] I wouldn't mind but this year they are only likely to be close 2 days you'd think it was world war 3 at least [11:45] oooo panic buying [11:45] I have a massive stack of amazon boxes next to me. we did 99% of our xmas shopping on amazon [11:46] the wife did 99% of our shopping, that will do me :D [11:46] I wish I had the guts to give my sister our amazon wishlists [11:46] that reminds me I must cancel my amazon prime ac [11:46] was very handy to get things delivered next day [11:46] atleast that way the stuff would be in UK instead of us needing to haul the stuff in our luggage [11:47] * MooDoo has already had his christmas present and is going to use it tomorrow [11:47] Myrtti: for years I have used amazon wishlist as my 'this is my xmas list' [11:47] Myrtti: I'm sure if you explain that to her it'd make sense [11:47] i'm never cancelling my amazon prime account ever, its too wonderful, even if i can't use it i'll keep it [11:47] christmas stuff we buy from parks hampers through out the year this was like milk bread coffee whitener etc standard shopping [11:47] popey: I know, but Amazon isn't widely used in Finland [11:47] gord: just had a months free trial [11:48] ahh [11:48] davmor2: my mum gives us an asda card she's been putting money on through out the year, comes in handy in jan :D [11:48] MooDoo: nice idea [11:48] popey: what are the kiddies getting from Santa, do you still have santa in the house ? [11:48] when I announced I'd done my xmas shopping on amazon, my wife was furious - "that's so lazy and shows lack of thought" [11:48] We do [11:49] One of her friends figured it out and has been sworn to secrecy [11:49] so I dont think we have long [11:49] do amazon sell wives :P [11:49] my 3 year old can't wait for santa :D we did him a video message from portable north pole :D [11:49] http://www.portablenorthpole.tv/home [11:49] MooDoo: we basically do the same thing but we buy the vouchers that we can use at iceland, sainsburys and else where [11:49] danfish: it shows a lot of thought to sit down and wade through all the stuff [11:49] * Myrtti stops herself from starting a religious debate over where Santa lives [11:50] O.o [11:50] czajkowski: true - in my defence to *do* wrap the presents myself [11:50] though I do like popeys idea of a wish list can then be used for random gifts. would make my head less exploding when I've to think of gifts for some folks [11:50] (badly) [11:51] aye I did that on Saturday night here , I hate wrapping. [11:51] and I tormented myself more by adding string and bows to them [11:51] Myrtti: and so you should of course he does :P [11:52] davmor2: sorry, not participating [11:53] davmor2: you're a tease :D [11:53] I shy away from any religious debate in general. [11:53] I don't mind so long as people don't hassle me with their thoughts. [11:54] dwatkins: this would be the discussion over is it North Pole/Norway/Sweden/Iceland/Finland [11:54] North Pole ofc :P [11:54] Myrtti: so basically "where does the myth say he lives" [11:54] dwatkins: not a myth :P [11:55] Seeker`: you can believe that all you want, I respectfully agree to disagree :) [11:55] czajkowski: you seem rather chipper this morning any good news you want to share with the class? [11:55] * Myrtti is not participating [11:55] * dwatkins steals davmor2's pen [11:55] He lives in Swindon. Father Christmas was privatised in 2006 and sold off. [11:56] davmor2: no sir [11:56] davmor2: i think we need to start abusing her again? [11:56] who are you abusing today? [11:57] MooDoo: true I'm pretty sure it's against the rules somewhere for czajkowski to be this jolly especially when we are grumpy [11:57] christel: there's only one person we ever abuse [11:57] christel: czajkowski me and davmor2 need to start abusing her again, she's far to chipper [11:57] aww [11:57] czajkowski: prod [11:57] Myrtti: what's the url for this G+ secret santa thing? [11:57] * MooDoo prods christel, just so you know how we roll :D [11:58] * czajkowski gives a group hug to MooDoo and davmor2 [11:58] MooDoo: oh i do enjoy a good poke before lunch [11:58] czajkowski: oi behave....none of that nonsense please [11:59] christel: prod i said prod....dirty dirty [11:59] christel: https://plus.google.com/113269791493257695508/posts - G+ tag #gplussanta [11:59] *hugs* [12:00] MooDoo: er prod. i meant prod. honest guv [12:00] christel: now i know how you roll :D [12:01] christel: It still sounds no cleaner when you say enjoy a good in the same sentence [12:01] Myrtti: how does it work, as in, do you just pick someone random? [12:01] or does it assign someone to you [12:01] christel: not totally random: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/hBxkKC1dy4M [12:01] davmor2: i'm thinking it's not only czajkowski that needs abuse, christel appears to want it too [12:02] christel: but of course you can pick whoever you want [12:03] the person who curates the spreadsheet picks your name if you tag your wishlist g+ post right [12:03] santa's dead [12:03] oimon: you're such a grinch [12:03] :D [12:04] Santa violates the laws of physics ;) [12:04] Myrtti: aha! [12:04] oimon: take it back, you fowl evil blasphemer [12:04] never! [12:04] it's what i'm telling my son too :) [12:04] "burn the witch" [12:04] oh wrong film. [12:04] dwatkins: no he doesn't he just utilises the timezones really effectively [12:04] stone him stone him [12:04] oh wrong film [12:05] i don't recall ever believing in santa [12:05] oimon: mate of mine her sister used to take her kid away on holidays for xmas as she didnt believe in it. until the child was 5 and was upset at hearing how thins person visited good children so she had to give in [12:05] "he's not the messaih, he's a very naughty boy" [12:05] msg nickserv identify 3940321 [12:05] :) [12:05] missed the / there mate D: [12:05] hmmm [12:05] password change time dw1 [12:05] It's OK: I trust all of you implicitly [12:05] oimon: grinch [12:06] this is why i always do that in a query [12:06] it's a public channel, dw1 ;) [12:06] dw1: crazy fool :D [12:06] czajkowski lol, if it was an intellgent child i would explain that it was their parents buying the pressies and pretending. but let's keep it our secret [12:06] dw1: You trust us? We don't even trust ourselves :) [12:06] I could be anyone, an imposter with the same initials, dw1 ;) [12:06] oimon jr will get pressies, just not from santa [12:06] dwatkins: It's also publicly logged [12:06] DJones: don't worry we won't say anything, i'll leave twitter to do that for me ;) [12:06] BigRedS: good point [12:07] oimon: grinch. [12:07] dw1: You know this is #ubuntu-uk right this isn't a channel of trust, this is a channel of evil abuse and practical joking ;) [12:07] jesus > santa :) [12:07] with davmor2 being the biggest joke of all :D [12:07] oimon: ok lets not start with religion shall we [12:07] * MooDoo loves davmor2 :) [12:07] MooDoo: you follow closely on his heels to be fair [12:08] my mistake i thought we were taling about christmas.:) [12:08] czajkowski: yeah we've got a love hate relationship with you :) we love you, you hate us :D [12:09] MooDoo: the quote is off mate, it's we love to hate each other :) [12:09] davmor2: i don't hate czajkowski she's not bad really.... [12:10] MooDoo: we'll soon know if she gets a pressie off santa :) [12:10] :D [12:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_suit [12:13] * oimon is confused [12:13] not sure who to believe anymore about the santa red suit - coca cola or not? [12:14] if you can't trust the coca cola corporation who can you trust? [12:14] http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/10/coke-denies-claims-it-bottled-familiar-santa/ [12:15] I've seen several people claim that coca cola didn't do it [12:15] coke influenced the change in a big way, surely [12:15] I've also tried to convince people that Santa caused Coca Cola to switch from green to red [12:15] they publicised it [12:16] So there's a bunch of 6/7 year olds who, in another five or six years, will be internet pedants telling people off for spouting lies about a green santa :) [12:16] Santa was all green and brown prior to coke doing the red and white to make it stand out and look appealing was my understanding [12:17] davmor2: althought the articles linked to up there suggest otherwise, although coke seemed to popularise it [12:17] or at least cemented the red suit change, while the red/green/tan debate was in flux [12:18] a Cola to switch from green to red [12:18] -12:15:41- :oimon : they publicised it [12:18] http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp [12:18] its something everyone knows and everyone says as fact, so i tend to think its an urban myth [12:18] damn putty [12:18] Seeker`: it's a feature! :) [12:19] "A standardized Santa Claus appears to New York children. Height, weight, statures are almost exactly standardized, as are the red garments" [12:19] From a NYT article 4 years before coke's advertising campaign [12:20] I'm surprised that the stereotypical image of santa isn't a McDonalds idea, bulging stomach etc :) [12:20] that's the yanks. we had green first , so something changed [12:20] I thought it was Coca Cola that invented the image of Santa we have today. [12:20] oimon: you're opinions don't count it's not the summer time ;) [12:20] oh right, I see Seeker`'s link now [12:20] DJones, now that you mention it, Col. Sanders is santa in japan [12:20] col sanders is rolf harris [12:21] directhex: Seriously? [12:21] DJones, 2-week waiting list for xmas kfc. [12:22] Seeker`: from the article, " All this isn't to say that Coca-Cola didn't have anything to do with cementing the modern image of Santa Claus in the public consciousness." [12:22] directhex: Google has just explained that http://www.tofugu.com/2010/12/24/kfc-japan-christmas/ [12:23] oimon: It sounds like there was a popular perception of santa, which is the same as we have today, and due to the colour scheme match coke decided to jump on the bandwagon [12:23] I was fairly certain the cola thing was just myth [12:24] they didn't create it, it was popular enough to be in a NYT article 4 years earlier, they just pushed it [12:24] they probably cemented the standard though, and globalised it. although i hope that russia's father frost still wears white [12:24] DJones, i said i wasn't kidding! [12:24] directhex: I'm speechless at that [12:24] i like how the people who started this have run away [12:25] oimon: they didn't cement the standard, it was already a standard 4 years earlier [12:25] 4 years? [12:25]