[00:36] <xubuntu267> Dec 12 16:50:24 ubuntu ubiquity[3189]: log-output -t ubiquity fontconfig-voodoo --auto --force --quiet --> instalacion de xunbuntu demora mucho tiempo
[00:52] <XeiaieX> hallo jeden
[00:52] <XeiaieX> i have a question and im hoping someone can help me!
[00:52] <XeiaieX> ive searched and searched to no avail
[00:53] <XeiaieX> ive installed xubuntu 11.10 and compiz/emerald and have compositing working and everything is flawless. however, the xfce panels do not cast a drop shadow
[00:53] <XeiaieX> anyone have any ideas why?
[00:54] <holstein> i find focus issues
[00:54] <XeiaieX> ?
[00:54] <holstein> and other deal breakers... i remember there being some giant shadow i had to tame down when running emerald
[00:54] <XeiaieX> everything is perfect except that my panels do not have shadows
[00:55] <XeiaieX> all other windows do though
[00:55] <holstein> well, it wasnt perfect for me
[00:55] <holstein> i find it laggy too
[00:55] <XeiaieX> ok so do you know what might be the problem?
[00:55] <holstein> the right click menu is laggy
[00:56] <XeiaieX> ...
[00:56] <holstein> XeiaieX: sure.. its just not meant for XFCE
[00:56] <XeiaieX> how do i enable drop shadows on the xfce panels as theyre supposed to ..
[00:56] <XeiaieX> the option is enabled in the settings
[00:56] <XeiaieX> yet the shadows do not appear
[00:57] <holstein> not sure
[00:57] <holstein> you'd need to disable compiz and test, and file a bug
[00:58] <holstein> and follow up pretty seriously
[00:59] <holstein> it would be nice to get on some of this eye-candy
[00:59] <holstein> i think its getting worked out more and more
[00:59] <holstein> in xubuntu
[01:00] <holstein> XeiaieX: where did you get emerald?
[01:00] <holstein> an old .deb?
[01:01] <XeiaieX> ummmm
[01:01] <XeiaieX> a deb i downloaded from a website but im not sure if its old or what
[01:01] <holstein> well, its not from canonnical
[01:01] <holstein> for 11.10
[01:01] <holstein> not that thats the issue...
[01:01] <holstein> but, we are pulling a lot of things in trying to make it look like gnome 2 did with compiz
[01:02] <holstein> or at least that was my goal at first
[01:02] <XeiaieX> i doubt that would cause that though
[01:02] <holstein> sure, but something is causing it... and is it the decorator?
[01:02] <XeiaieX> how do i check?
[01:03] <holstein> not sure
[01:03] <holstein> i say, choose your battles
[01:03] <Crash_O-D> Could use help with samba share with windows trying to connect
[01:03] <holstein> if thats literally the only thing missing, i say thats pretty good
[01:03] <holstein> Crash_O-D: permissions are a pain there
[01:04] <XeiaieX> see here is a screenshot http://www.zimagez.com/full/172696bd321149448302d8b06046bee3e9e9a53117bc822e26a1fcbd0408a4be903c29a12cf95e1a920e11ebd6ecd7f38262b8b086db1185.php
[01:04] <holstein> i typically use swish to connect windows to ssh :)
[01:04] <holstein> or filezilla
[01:04] <Crash_O-D> i see the folder but will not allow me to connect due to premissions i even set user name as same as linux and pass
[01:04] <holstein> Crash_O-D: yup... that'll be the deal though
[01:04] <holstein> XeiaieX: looks like a line there
[01:05] <XeiaieX> thats the panel not a shadow
[01:05] <holstein> still... looks good to me
[01:05] <XeiaieX> i dont like it without shadows
[01:05] <holstein> yup, its a drag
[01:05] <XeiaieX> im not a defeatist... so im not gonna just accept it as it is even tho i dont like it
[01:05] <XeiaieX> i must fix it
[01:06] <holstein> you'll need to disable compiz and test
[01:06] <XeiaieX> i did
[01:06] <holstein> test it stock... you can do that from the live CD
[01:06] <XeiaieX> ya ill boot it on a diff machine live right now
[01:06] <XeiaieX> clean setup tho huh? :)
[01:07] <holstein> yeah
[01:07] <XeiaieX> i love it all except for that issue
[01:07] <holstein> looks nice
[01:07] <XeiaieX> thanks
[01:07] <holstein> i just found that by the time i got it the way i wanted it, it was like twice as laggy as gnome2 was
[01:07] <XeiaieX> couldnt run any better for me
[01:07] <XeiaieX> tho this is by no means a slow machine
[01:13] <XeiaieX> just booted another machine live and checked  the dock shadows and there arent any
[01:20] <XeiaieX> k
[02:10] <asterismo> hi people
[02:10] <asterismo> i need help
[02:10] <asterismo> xfce in ubuntu 11.10 is completely broken since 1 week
[02:10] <asterismo> when double click on videos it launched 2 instances of totem (my default player)
[02:11] <asterismo> and now i cannot edit through alacarte the command
[02:11] <asterismo> in nautilus right click in video file, cannot edit the "open with", i cannot add an applicatino command
[02:11] <asterismo> please this is too bad to be true
[04:45] <ball> I just built myself a new Xubuntu box
[04:56] <vinny> it is amazing..
[04:57] <vinny> good lookin'  ,fast,easy,
[07:14] <alejandro_moreno> hello
[07:16] <alejandro_moreno> I installed xubuntu 11.10 from a USB stick, and after rebooting, the installed xubuntu doesn't recognize my wireless card, or my USB stick ...
[07:16] <alejandro_moreno> is there something I
[07:16] <alejandro_moreno> can do besides moving my machine closer to my router, so that I can try wired connection?
[07:18]  * alejandro_moreno is going to sleep, and will be back in ~6 hours
[07:41] <chiiiiiz> hello
[07:42] <chiiiiiz> I am using Voyager, a customised version of ubuntu/Xubuntu.
[07:43] <chiiiiiz> The file manager is managed by Xubuntu, and so is Thunar. I want to use Nautilus for some operations (use of some scripts, among others)
[07:43] <chiiiiiz> I have made a launcher saying "nautilus --no-desktop", in my AWN dock. This works.
[07:44] <chiiiiiz> But when I enter "nautilus --no-desktop" in the field "File Manager" of my Favorite Application menu, the --no-desktop option is ignored.
[07:44] <chiiiiiz> Does anyone know how to tell XFCE to pay attention to the option?
[14:11] <RokcStar> hi
[14:12] <baizon> hello
[14:19] <Xenicide> If i have a extended filesystem on sda2, is it safe to delete sda2 that contain windows?
[15:11] <ePlus> good afternoon all
[15:23] <olbi> hello :)
[15:35] <eli_> anyone feel like helping me maybe?
[15:36] <holstein> eli_: you'll just need to ask your question, and if anyone can, they will help
[15:37] <eli_> ok, well i am unable to connect wirelessly with my laptop running xubuntu. it keeps asking for the WPA2 key even though it's right
[15:37] <eli_> i am very new to linux in general
[15:38] <eli_> apparently my router sucks, so i tried changing the macaddress of the laptop to see if the router was blocking my macaddress due to too many keep-alive packets
[15:38] <holstein> eli_: i would go into the manager, and delete the connection, and double check that it is 'right'
[15:38] <eli_> but that didn't seem to help
[15:38] <holstein> if you can, just keep it simple
[15:39] <holstein> you shouldnt have to do anything special
[15:39] <eli_> well the thing is, i was connected. it just pooped out on me and keeps asking for the key. i revealed key and it's right
[15:39] <eli_> it was doing the same thing to my friends crunchbang laptop when he brought it over
[15:39] <holstein> sure, but i dont know what all you have done
[15:39] <holstein> changing mac addresses... or whats up with the router
[15:40] <eli_> it works fine on my dad's windows laptop, he can connect fine
[15:40] <eli_> my girlfriends mac also connects fine.
[15:40] <holstein> i think we should consider that coincidence until you get further data
[15:41] <holstein> theres also another constant there
[15:41] <holstein> linux is new to you, and mac is not new to your GF, and windows is not new to any of you
[15:41] <eli_> mhm
[15:41] <holstein> if you can wire up temporarily, and apply all updates in case its something that needs patched
[15:42] <eli_> i'm hardwired in right now
[15:42] <holstein> either undo what you have done, or just boot up from the live CD
[15:43] <eli_> i used macchanger to randomly choose a new macaddress, want me to return it to the permanent address?
[15:44] <ZAN3> Hey all.  Making the switch to Xubuntu.  Got both 32 & 64bit ISO's. Not sure which to install.  My 4 yr old notebook has 1.7 GHz Single core CPU, 2Gb RAM, 160 Gb HDD etc.  Which version should I go for?  Will 64bit use MORE cpu and thus run hotter? And is it ANY faster? I;ve hear 64bit uses more RAM - if so, will apps take longer to load due to having to access more of the memory?  What are the benefits/cons of running either version on this system?
[15:44] <ZAN3> Nobody seems to really know the answer.  Here's hoping someone can help me out. Sorry for being a complete idiot.  Regards.
[15:46] <holstein> eli_: i want you to either try and return to as much of the out-of-the-box setup as possible, or boot up into the live CD
[15:46] <holstein> taking these potential breakages/customizations out of the equation
[15:46] <eli_> ok 1 sec
[15:46] <baizon> ZAN3: what laptop do you got?
[15:46] <holstein> you can also apply upgrades while you are on the wired internet and see if that provides a pathc
[15:46] <holstein> patch*
[15:47] <baizon> ZAN3: write the exact cpu data plz
[15:47] <holstein> ZAN3: for less that 4GB's of ram, the 32bit version is usually suggested
[15:47] <ZAN3> @baizon:  Dell - Celeron M530
[15:47] <holstein> theres really no deal breakers anymore running 64bit though
[15:47] <holstein> flash used to be a sticking point
[15:48] <holstein> eli_: you can use the update manger, or you can open a terminal and run
[15:48] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[15:48] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:48] <holstein> eli_: or you can use synaptic... clicking reload, and mark all upgrades
[15:49] <baizon> ZAN3: what are you planning to do with your system?
[15:49] <ZAN3> @baizon: less /proc/cpuinfo, processor       : 0
[15:49] <ZAN3> vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
[15:49] <ZAN3> cpu family      : 6
[15:49] <ZAN3> model           : 22
[15:49] <ZAN3> model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU          530  @ 1.73GHz
[15:49] <ZAN3> stepping        : 1
[15:49] <ZAN3> cpu MHz         : 1729.196
[15:49] <ZAN3> cache size      : 1024 KB
[15:49] <ZAN3> fpu             : yes
[15:49] <ZAN3> fpu_exception   : yes
[15:49] <ZAN3> cpuid level     : 10
[15:49] <ZAN3> wp              : yes
[15:49] <ZAN3> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc up arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm dts
[15:49] <holstein> for less that 4 GB of ram, use 32bit
[15:49] <ZAN3> bogomips        : 3458.39
[15:49] <Pici> !paste | ZAN3
[15:49] <ZAN3> clflush size    : 64
[15:49] <ZAN3> cache_alignment : 64
[15:49] <ZAN3> address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
[15:50] <holstein> ZAN3: also, use a pastebin for this ^^
[15:50] <ZAN3> sorry for that
[15:50] <ZAN3> new here
[15:50] <holstein> no worries
[15:50] <baizon> ZAN3: what are you planning to do with your system?
[15:50] <ZAN3> The basics, maybe a bit of light video editing from time to time
[15:52] <baizon> ZAN3: are you planning to buy RAM to get 4GB?
[15:52] <ZAN3> It's maxed out at 2Gb
[15:52] <baizon> ok, then my recommendation is 32bit
[15:54] <ZAN3> @baizon:  thanks.  so what is the REAL difference between them - apart from the RAM required?
[15:55] <ubuntu> ok. im booted from live USB. i have no wireless capabilities, same as when i first installed.
[15:55] <ubuntu> <----- eli_
[15:56] <holstein> ZAN3: ths 64bit version will utilize the chip better for some things
[15:56] <holstein> you might notices if you were rendering video in something with 64bit support that it would rendor much faster
[15:56] <holstein> assuming you have enough ram
[15:57] <holstein> you might also notice other things are slower
[15:57] <baizon> ZAN3: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[15:57] <ZAN3> @holstein:  Okaaay.  So if it uses the chip better it RUNS hotter and uses more battery, right.  Sorry for being stupid
[15:57] <holstein> ZAN3: that depends
[15:58] <holstein> i wouldnt choose 32 or 64 for battery life
[15:58] <baizon> ZAN3: yes, for older chips 32 can be better than 64
[15:58] <ubuntu> should i install drivers?
[15:58] <baizon> because there arent developing it anymore
[15:58] <holstein> it depends like baizon is asking, on what you are planning on doing
[15:58] <baizon> ubuntu: is your wifi on?
[15:59] <ubuntu> no, its greyed out, says firmware needed
[15:59] <Sysi> menu -> system -> additional drivers
[15:59] <baizon> jockey is recommending something?
[15:59] <Sysi> you should have firmware or driver there
[15:59] <holstein> ubuntu: if its a broadcom chip, there are a couple of drivers
[15:59] <holstein> maybe you should try the other one
[15:59] <ubuntu> it is broadcom
[16:00] <ubuntu> i went to menu -> system but i didn't see additional drivers
[16:00] <holstein> i would check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:00] <Sysi> maybe I remember wrong, somewhere in menu anyway
[16:00] <ubuntu> alright ill do that now
[16:00] <baizon> ubuntu: open terminal, and type: jockey-gtk
[16:00] <ubuntu> well there's a little icon in the panel asking me to install drivers
[16:01] <ubuntu> ok, it brought up an option to activate drivers
[16:02] <baizon> so do it :)
[16:02] <baizon> and it should work
[16:03] <ubuntu> hmmm it says i need to restart before changes will take effect
[16:04] <ubuntu> and im pretty sure my friend who helped me install already did that too
[16:04] <ubuntu> like i said, it was working a couple nights ago, but in the middle of watching a movie on mplayer it disconnected and i haven't been able to get back on
[16:05] <baizon> check the log
[16:05] <ubuntu> how? sorry, im so new, this is my first ever linux install
[16:06] <ubuntu> and should i reboot into the harddrive to check it?
[16:07] <holstein> ubuntu: did you read that wiki page?
[16:07] <holstein> AFAIK there are 2 drivers, you can try the other one
[16:07] <holstein> and you can try it from the live CD
[16:07] <ubuntu> oh sorry, i will read it now
[16:09] <puff> Hm, I'm looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Commands_for_the_settings_manager
[16:09] <holstein> the arch documentaion is great
[16:10] <puff> It looks like something like this might help me out (I want to make a simple clicky icon to activate my external display port) but I'm unclear, from reading that, how I actually invoke those commands.
[16:11] <holstein> puff: are you trying to extend the destkop? or mirror?
[16:11] <puff> Mirror.
[16:11] <puff> I move my laptop between desks, one desk has a nice large Dell monitor.
[16:11] <holstein> you can do that in the system settings under 'monitor'
[16:11] <holstein> display?
[16:11] <holstein> i think its monitor
[16:11] <puff> Yes, display.
[16:11] <holstein> i like arandr as well
[16:12] <puff> Settings/Settings Manager/Display, select the dell monitor, click the checkbox for "usee this display"
[16:12] <puff> Every time I plug in.  Since I do this at least once, sometimes twice a day, I'd like to set up a shortcut.
[16:13] <holstein> puff: you can script something im sure, or do something like automate the mouse clicks with something
[16:14] <puff> Hm, looking at arandr and I'm not sure how it applies.
[16:15] <ubuntu> apparently i can't apt-get install the driver because im not root
[16:15] <holstein> well, it applies like i said... when i want to extend my desktop
[16:15] <holstein> its not so much for your case.. i was going to ask you to test it
[16:15] <holstein> but, you can disregard it
[16:15] <nefpte> how would i be able to display multiple clocks in xubuntu 11.10?
[16:15] <holstein> you sudo apt-get install ubuntu
[16:16] <ubuntu> i did, same message
[16:16] <holstein> sudo apt-get install whatever
[16:17] <puff> ubuntu: Don't forget to put "sudo" at the beginning.
[16:17] <puff> ubuntu: Also, you should be doing this from the account you first set up when you installed ubuntu.
[16:17] <ubuntu> yea, i tried that first. it says Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[16:17] <holstein> puff: its live right now
[16:17] <holstein> ubuntu: you have another package manager open
[16:17] <ubuntu> oh, you are correct
[16:17] <puff> ubuntu: Yeah, what holstein said.
[16:18] <pleia2> nefpte: you can add multiple of the "orage clock" to your panel and set different time zones for them
[16:21] <nefpte> pleia2: right click on panel>panel>add new items>add clock? just moved from ubuntu
[16:21] <pleia2> nefpte: add "orage clock" not the regular clock
[16:21] <pleia2> but otherwise, yes
[16:22] <puff> Hm, found xfce-settings-display, but I need to list the displays so I know what argument to feed it.
[16:22] <ubuntu> hrm. neither drivers is working. they both say (firmware missing)
[16:23] <ubuntu> anyway... thanks for all your help! i have to go to work, i will try again later
[16:25] <nefpte> pleia2: ah, but i don't know which clock corresponds to which place :s
[16:30] <pleia2> nefpte: right click on the clock and go to "properties"
[16:30] <pleia2> you can change stuff there, and you can always move them around as needed
[16:32] <nefpte> i guess that will have to do
[16:32] <nefpte> thanks
[16:45] <Kurdistan> really good xubuntu release
[16:45] <Kurdistan> 11.10
[16:45] <Kurdistan> I have cario-dock, jupiter and synapse running at boot. boot-time great. performance great.
[16:46] <Kurdistan> it seems to be stable. even if it is based on ubuntu, and ubuntu with no-LTS release are based on debian unstable.
[16:48] <holstein> its not so much based on ubuntu
[16:48] <holstein> it is ubuntu... with XFCE and other customizations
[16:48] <Kurdistan> holstein, yes I know.
[16:49] <Kurdistan> is there any xubuntu ppa like the kubuntu team haves?
[16:49] <holstein> i dont think the kubuntu team has ppas
[16:49] <holstein> not that are installed by default
[16:49] <holstein> if its not in the repos, you can push it out, and be an official flavor or whatever you call it
[16:50] <holstein> you cant ship with it by default
[16:50] <holstein> there might be a testing kubuntu ppa you can add
[16:50] <Kurdistan> holstein yes kubuntu have ppa
[16:50] <Kurdistan> some kind of backports
[16:50] <Kurdistan> that let you update your kde
[16:50] <holstein> Kurdistan: not in by default
[16:51] <holstein> mabye you check a box or something...
[16:51] <Kurdistan> holstein, yes not by default.
[16:51] <Kurdistan> holstein reason I ask is because if xfce newer version will come and I do not want to reinstall
[16:51] <Kurdistan> I still wanted the newer xfce version
[16:51] <holstein> Kurdistan: you can always build it
[16:52] <Kurdistan> holstein :) if I had the time I would. I only install stable kernel if the current does not play well
[16:52] <Kurdistan> but anyway a good xubuntu release.
[16:52] <holstein> you can build XFCE
[16:53] <holstein> if you want one that is newer than what is in the repos
[16:53] <Kurdistan> holstein have you tried?
[16:53] <holstein> AFAIK, you can suggest a backport
[16:53] <holstein> Kurdistan: nope
[16:54] <Kurdistan> holstein, okey.
[16:54] <Kurdistan> have nice day/evening. need to go.
[16:54] <Kurdistan> thx again xubuntu team for a good release
[16:55] <holstein> o/
[16:55] <holstein> yup... the xubuntu team rocks!
[16:55] <go8765> hello. can I  found anywhere dooble fresh debs?
[16:56] <holstein> go8765: ?
[16:56] <go8765> holstein, what? :)
[16:57] <Sysi> precise daily/repositories are newest you can get
[16:57] <Sysi> or debian experimental
[16:57] <holstein> go8765: what indeed.. what is your question? what is a "dooble fresh deb?"
[16:57] <Sysi> for less bleeding edge, "sudo apt get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:57] <Sysi> *apt-get for first one too
[16:58] <go8765> holstein, dooble-browser | deb- is dooble.deb
[16:59] <go8765> Sysi, your answers for me?
[16:59] <Sysi> not really
[16:59] <Sysi> I thought you typoed "doable"
[16:59] <holstein> im not finding any dooble browser
[16:59] <holstein> but, you can download and build it if its open
[17:01] <holstein> go8765: you might not find a .deb package for such an obscure application
[17:01] <Sysi> !info dooble
[17:01] <Sysi> hard to say about version number like that
[17:01] <holstein> interesting... google fail!
[17:02] <holstein> midori is nice and lite
[17:02] <holstein> AH.. finally found it http://dooble.sourceforge.net/
[17:03] <holstein> this is the latest version.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/dooble/files/Version%201.26/
[17:04] <go8765> holstein, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dooble http://dooble.sourceforge.net/
[17:04] <go8765> holstein, and what about .deb?
[17:04] <holstein> go8765: if they make one, it'll be there
[17:04] <holstein> doesnt look like they do
[17:05] <go8765> i need to make it myself?
[17:06] <holstein> need?.. i mean, if you want the latest, that would be the way to go
[17:06] <Sysi> go8765: what version is in package from repositories?
[17:07] <go8765> Sysi, I think omething like 0.64 :)
[17:07] <go8765> *something
[17:07] <Sysi> you should file a bug probably
[17:08] <go8765> Sysi, what you mean?
[17:09] <Sysi> make a bug report / use ubuntu-bug / contact package maintainer
[17:09] <holstein> contributing upstream to it is not a bad idea as well
[17:10] <go8765> Sysi, *english is not my native? so its hard to me fully understand what you mean :(
[17:10] <go8765> Sysi, about what bug you say ?
[17:10] <Sysi> upstream has probably nothing to do with distro-specific packaging
[17:10] <holstein> right, but if its not maintained in debian, pulling it into ubuntu would be more of a challenge
[17:11] <Sysi> go8765: tell guy responsible for dooble on ubuntu to make package of current version
[17:11] <holstein> if its maintained for debial, it'll just trickle in
[17:11] <holstein> debian*
[17:11] <holstein> or so im told
[17:11] <Sysi> yeah, looks like it's not packaged for debian at all
[17:11] <holstein> im not finding it either...
[17:13] <go8765> thanks for help. I try to make .deb myself
[17:13] <holstein> go8765: sure.. consider packaging it like that for debian though
[17:13] <go8765> Sysi, where I can findthis guy ? :)
[17:14] <holstein> it would benifit a lot of folks that way
[17:14] <Sysi> go8765: package info and contacts are here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/dooble
[17:15] <Sysi> maybe they just drop it from precise and tell everyone to use firefox..
[17:15] <puff> What's dooble's raison d'etre?
[17:20] <go8765> *need to go out
[17:21] <Sysi> go8765_afk: please don't use awaynick
[17:28] <go8765> Sysi, why?
[17:29] <Sysi> it's not needed and creates useless scrollback
[17:29] <Sysi> !away
[17:30] <go8765> ok
[18:06] <eplus> hello all
[18:06] <eplus> how does one fix "Failed to execute default Terminal Emulator." when you try and access it from Start | Accessories please?
[18:07] <eplus> it only started after I did an update last night
[18:13] <olbi> I have problem with listening to music, I play some tracks, and after some of them, it's randomly, when next track start, than it jump to the half of song, dont know why, it is happen on all media players, like Exaile, Gmusicbrowser, Clementine, Rhythbox, sometimes it jumps 2 tracks
[18:14] <Sysi> it happens with the same tracks?
[18:14] <Sysi> do they play if you select them manually?
[18:15] <olbi> i check this on 20 randomly choose tracks
[18:15] <olbi> when I play it manualy, it works fine
[18:15] <olbi> but auto jump to next sometimes fail
[18:16] <olbi> all files are flacs
[18:19] <w30> What packages do I need for xfce4 and compiz? I don't want any kde, gnome, or unity stuff. It's so confusing with all the compiz packages available.
[18:21] <baizon> w30: i dont understand your question
[18:21] <olbi> Sysi, again it happen, after 2 tracks :/
[18:22] <w30> there is compiz, compiz-core, compiz-plugins, compiz-plugins-default, compix-plugins-extra, etc.
[18:22] <Sysi> w30: xfce4 xfce4-goodies and something for compiz
[18:22] <baizon> w30: yes
[18:22] <Sysi> try just "compiz"
[18:23] <baizon> w30: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/xfce4 <- this are the dependecies
[18:23] <w30> baizon, do I want a window decorator using the Gtk toolkit and the files necessary to integrate compiz with the GNOME
[18:24] <Sysi> for window decorator probably yeas, for gnome probably no, doesn't really matter much
[18:24] <w30> Sysi, I don't have or want gnome anything.
[18:25] <w30> Sysi, do I need a window decorator besides xfce4?
[18:26] <w30> what's compiz-core as compared to compiz?
[18:27] <Sysi> the very base of compiz, core
[18:28] <Sysi> you can read package deskcriptions if you want to be exact, I can't rmember them all
[18:29] <w30> Sysi, I have all the xfce4 goodies
[18:32] <w30> Is there a specific compiz for xfce4 or gtk-engines? and not with any gnome or kde extras/
[18:33] <Sysi> no
[18:33] <Sysi> well xfce has gtk-engine and you probably want murrine and unico/adwaita
[18:35] <w30> Sysi, yeah, probably but not worried about eye candy yet, just want cube and wobbly windows and stuff to impress Windows 7 users when they look over my shoulder
[18:38] <w30> Sysi, maybe I can set up a sensor to automatically start compiz when they  get within 5 feet.
[18:42] <w30> what's compizconfig-backend-gconfig? do I want that? Is that gnome specific stuff that some how got installed on my box?
[18:42] <olbi> ok, so problem is only on my machine, second computer doesnt have this problem, some1 know to fix this?
[18:42] <Sysi> gconf is gnome settings-daemon
[18:43] <Sysi> just grab the base and install some more when something doesn't work :P
[18:44] <w30> Sysi, somehow I have .gconf installed with xubuntu. gnome must be a virus that you can't escape on any ubuntu version.
[18:44] <Sysi> xubuntu default isn't the purest xfce
[18:45] <w30> Sysi, Oh?, How would I do better? I have the internet AND THE TIME?
[18:46] <Sysi> install minimal system (option in alternate disk) and then install very basics of xfce
[18:47] <w30> Sysi, It would to iffy to rip stuff out of my xubuntu regular install I suppose?
[18:50] <Sysi> not really, but somewhat difficult and still not same result
[18:50] <Sysi> though everything there is needed for *something*
[18:51] <w30> compiz-core is the basics or is just plain compiz what to start with?
[18:52] <Sysi> apt-cache show compiz ; apt-cache show compiz-core
[18:53] <w30> Sysi, I don't think I should start trying to remove stuff; I better do the alternate install like you said *smile*
[18:55] <Sysi> you need to select that iption before starting installation btw
[18:55] <w30> Sysi, good to know apt-cache command; thank you
[18:56] <w30> Sysi, right, I understand. Maybe I will install that way and dual boot each install to see what suits me.
[19:04] <w30>  thank to all, I am gonna start with compiz-core and see what happens; If it foobars, I will try the alternate cd minimal install way.
[19:28] <ISBB> afternoon all
[19:28] <ISBB> hoping i could get a wee bit of vnc/lightdm help here
[19:29] <ISBB> i found this page which describes pretty much my issue
[19:29] <ISBB> http://www.xubuntu.org/node/49
[19:29] <ISBB> especially the part about loggin in and only getting a background only
[19:29] <ISBB> however if i change lightdm to autologin.  logging in over vnc works great
[19:30] <ISBB> if i disable autologin it doesnt matter what session i choose i only get a background image only and the session never fully loads
[19:30] <ISBB> was wondering if ya'all could shine a little light on that subject
[19:30] <ISBB> running 64bit xubuntu 11.10
[19:30] <ISBB> with the latest kernel
[20:29] <fuente> exit
[20:50] <Crash_O-D> dmd -run build_rabcdasm
[20:50] <Crash_O-D> swffile.d(246): Error: cannot implicitly convert expression (tag.data.length) of type ulong to uint | how can i fix this?
[21:50] <prings> so i switched over from ubuntu to xubuntu and am trying to update, but it keeps asking for an unbuntu cd
[21:50] <prings> how do i fix this
[21:57] <GridCube> go to the software sources and uncheck the cds from the Other Software atb
[21:57] <GridCube> tab
[22:04] <eplus> hey all
[22:05] <eplus> n00b question here, but how can i browse to my samba share from xubuntu 11.10?
[22:05] <GridCube> !samba
[22:05] <GridCube> also
[22:05] <GridCube> !gigolo
[22:06] <GridCube> !info gigolo
[22:06] <GridCube> also thunar if you install gvfs-backends
[22:07] <eplus> soo... what do i need to install to browse samba shares?
[22:07] <eplus> lol
[22:07] <GridCube> eplus, gigolo is installed already
[22:08] <eplus> it is indeed
[22:08] <GridCube> gvfs-backends allows you to browse your shares trhough thunar, its not installed
[22:08] <GridCube> !info gvfs-backends
[22:09] <Sysi> not "browse" but connect to them
[22:09] <eplus> though gigolo is giving me: Connecting to "(null)://(null)/" failed.
[22:12] <eplus> there we go
[22:12] <eplus> gvfs-backends was needed
[22:25] <eplus> anyone got any tweaks to make the fonts a bit better?
[22:25] <eplus> like what's a good font and settings for 1080p resolution
[22:27] <holstein> better?
[22:28] <holstein> bigger?
[22:29] <eplus> less eye bleeding?
[22:29] <eplus> i don't know, probably i'm not used to it
[22:31] <Sysi> default should be pretty nice.. droid sans with medium or slight hinting
[22:31] <Sysi> dejavu sans is nice too, and try different hinting settings
[22:31] <Sysi> ubuntu-font-family is a bit different but cool
[22:32] <eplus> is it me or hinting doesn't apply to firefox?
[22:32] <Sysi> ah, you want msttcorefontf
[22:32] <Sysi> !info msttcorefonts
[22:33] <Sysi> hum
[22:33] <eplus> i installed them
[22:33] <eplus> just curious if hinting applies to FF or not
[22:33] <Sysi> I think not, inside websites
[22:35] <Sysi> not sure though
[22:35] <eplus> yes you can
[22:35] <eplus> about:config
[22:35] <eplus> gfx.use_text_smoothing_setting
[22:36] <eplus> set to true
[22:36] <eplus> ;)
[22:36] <Sysi> cool, need to check that out on desktop machine
[22:36] <eplus> Sysi, can you tell me the default fonts in FF please
[22:37] <eplus> in "advanced"
[22:37] <Sysi> probably dejavu, or ms-ones
[22:37] <eplus> oh you don't have it open
[22:39] <Sysi> ah, they're just default defaults, serif/sans-serif/monospace
[22:39] <Sysi> picks whatever is default, I don't know how to set that though
[22:39] <Sysi> probably devavu or droid
[22:40] <eplus> firefox | edit | content | advanced
[22:41] <Sysi> yup, there
[22:51] <anagande> gedit won't open, i've been fiddling with the colour schemes and plugins. It eventually became too cluttered in those folders so I deleted everything in both the plugin and the style folder and now gedit won't open.
[22:51] <anagande> any pointers? :s
[22:51] <holstein> anagande: open from the terminal and note the errors
[22:53] <anagande> http://paste.ubuntu.com/769519/
[22:55] <holstein> looks like its looking for the restortabs plugin eh?
[22:57] <anagande> got it working, thanks
[22:57] <holstein> cool
[22:57] <Kurdistan> guys/girls I think the dock-like thing in xubuntu/xfce 4.8 does not look good
[22:57] <holstein> Kurdistan: you know how to remove it?
[22:57] <Kurdistan> why not go for docky/avant/cario-dock etc?
[22:57] <holstein> right click and remove it
[22:57] <Kurdistan> holstein yes
[22:58] <Sysi> they're not xfce
[22:58] <holstein> you can install cario if you want
[22:58] <holstein> you know how Kurdistan ?
[22:58] <holstein> you can search the package manager
[22:58] <holstein> its not a dock really, its just an XFCE panel
[22:58] <Sysi> xubuntu doesn't want to be even more bloated with random goop for "eyecandy"
[22:58] <holstein> i personally appreciate that
[22:58] <Kurdistan> holstein, yes I do. :)
[22:59] <holstein> there are *no* extra packages needed to provide this functionality
[22:59] <Kurdistan> Sysi, I understand.
[22:59] <Kurdistan> but is seems a bit out-dated
[22:59] <Sysi> also kind of feature-show
[22:59] <Kurdistan> otherwise new xfce and xubuntu looks great
[22:59] <holstein> Kurdistan: feel free to 'update' as you please
[22:59] <Sysi> out-dated :D it wasnt possible before 11.04
[23:00] <Kurdistan> sysi are you a part of xubuntu dev?
[23:00] <Sysi> check out upstream xfce, that's 90s
[23:00] <Sysi> not really, know some of them though
[23:00] <Kurdistan> :) anyway I changed to cario-dock, have synapse and jupiter. browsning and chatting without any problem.
[23:01] <Kurdistan> it is really responsive
[23:01] <Kurdistan> Sysi, is any of them only here?
[23:01] <Kurdistan> :) maybe I should ask this off-topic section
[23:02] <holstein> ask what?
[23:02] <holstein> that it be changed... i personally appreciate the lightness of *not* having cairo, docky, or awn
[23:04] <Sysi> I'd go for even more conservative default settings, but I wouldn't still use them myself