[00:50] <dscassel> Meeting in 10
[00:59] <dscassel> Hi all!
[01:00] <dscassel> DarwinSurvivor jaguar Kamondelious khoover MylesBraithwaite BluesKaj Drone4four Jeruvy KombuchaKip pangolin BobJonkman Kulag perilouspillow willwh bregma FiReSTaRT kavurt ryanakca zeroedout cyphermox jaguar kenjy mars sipherdee zul
[01:01] <dscassel> Meeting time!
[01:01] <bregma> hello!
[01:01] <Drone4four> hi
[01:01] <dscassel> Hi bregma, Drone4four :D
[01:01] <dscassel> Please introduce yourself. Who are you, where are you and what do you do on/with/for Ubuntu?
[01:02] <dscassel> I'm Darcy in Waterloo, ON, and I'm a LoCo contact for Ubuntu Canada. I'll be chairing this meeting.
[01:02] <dscassel> Agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-12-13
[01:03] <dscassel> Thanks Bob. :)
[01:03] <BobJonkman> Hi all:  Bob Jonkman, from Elmira, in Waterloo
[01:03] <bregma> I'm Stephen, from the back woods of Lanark County Ontario, I'm an inveterate hacker and Ubuntu and Debian contributor
[01:03] <txwikinger> Hi dscassel
[01:04] <dscassel> Hi txwikinger :)
[01:05]  * BobJonkman is having some trouble removing focus from a hidden window. Perhaps a Compiz #Fail
[01:06] <bregma> BobJonkman, what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[01:06] <bregma> that compiz bug happened alot in 10.04
[01:08] <dscassel> I'm getting a drink.  Settle in and introduce yourself if you haven't already.
[01:09] <BobJonkman> bregma: It's Ubuntu 11.10.  Just switched from Gnome3 to gnome-fallback-session
[01:09] <bregma> urgh
[01:09] <BobJonkman> I'm finally productive again, but there are still little things
[01:10] <dscassel> It's a short agenda.
[01:10] <dscassel> First up: Past Events.
[01:10] <dscassel> Bob, you had UDS on the list. I thought we talked about that last time...
[01:10] <BobJonkman> It was actually going on during the last meeting.
[01:10] <dscassel> I guess we were mid-UDS...
[01:11] <BobJonkman> I thought maybe someone had a summary
[01:11] <BobJonkman> Not me though.
[01:11]  * BobJonkman is a homebody
[01:11] <dscassel> I didn't sit on too many sessions after our meeting last time.
[01:11] <dscassel> bregma: were you there?
[01:11] <bregma> I was
[01:12] <dscassel> Anything awesome? :)
[01:12] <bregma> Mono was supposed to be removed from the CD, but that's not cast in stone
[01:12] <bregma> Canonical is looking at putting Ubuntu on TVs, tablets, and phones
[01:13] <bregma> and something about the server, juju, things like that I don't pat attention to
[01:13] <dscassel> The ISO will no longer fit on a CD...
[01:13] <bregma> yes, that's the problem
[01:14] <dscassel> The LoCo Council session about province teams was somewhat dissatisfying. I tried to make our case on IRC, but I don't think the room was paying attention to the channel.
[01:15] <BobJonkman> I saw your (dscassel) comments on Jono's update today
[01:15] <dscassel> According to this: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/13/loco-council-goings-on-in-12-04/ they've decided to give some recognition to city teams.
[01:15] <dscassel> Yeah. :)
[01:15] <dscassel> I had a blog post about city teams a month ago: http://www.flyingsquirrel.ca/index.php/2011/11/04/recognizing-city-teams/
[01:15] <BobJonkman> I got the idea from that they *weren't* going to give any love to City teams
[01:16] <BobJonkman> that == Jono's post
[01:16] <dscassel> From Jono's post: "as a compromize, a field on teams pages on the LoCo Teams Portal would be created to add a contact for a city."
[01:17] <dscassel> (Jono's getting going a little overboard with his Americanization)
[01:18] <BobJonkman> Well, as with the last meeting, I'd like to continue on just as we are.  There's Ubuntu-ca-kw and others too
[01:18] <dscassel> I just want to the LC to recognize that LoCos are composed of city teams (with a bit of administration and resources at the national/state level) even though they don't deal with cities directly.
[01:19] <dscassel> Yeah, pretty much. :)
[01:19] <dscassel> Right now, Ubuntu Canada is Waterloo, Toronto, and your town once you start it up. :D
[01:20] <bregma> nothing from the wet coast?
[01:21] <dscassel> The Vancouver LoCo is independent.
[01:21] <dscassel> And Quebec is its own LoCo.
[01:23] <BobJonkman> But the LoCo council won't prevent us from organizing City events, so it really makes no difference, does it?
[01:23] <cyphermox> right
[01:23] <dscassel> Not really.
[01:23] <willwh> hey guys - can't take part tonight, sorry, contracting - firefighting atm :)
[01:23] <willwh> g'luck
[01:24] <txwikinger> I wouidn't get ro worked up about the council
[01:24] <txwikinger> too
[01:24] <dscassel> I'm trying to get the LoCo Council to at least recognize that city teams exist within LoCos so that they can be more discoverable and people realize there's a role they can fill.
[01:25] <dscassel> Like I said in the blog post, though, most of that work we can do ourselves.
[01:25] <txwikinger> We should focus more about what we can do
[01:25] <dscassel> Yeah, true.
[01:25] <txwikinger> I think there might be some interest in Brantford
[01:25] <txwikinger> So I will further explore and develop that
[01:26] <cyphermox> dscassel: isn't that the purpose of city "contacts" within a loco?
[01:26] <txwikinger> And I think everybody can do similar things where they are locally
[01:26] <dscassel> cyphermox: Yeah. And I'm happy about that development. We'll see how it pans out.
[01:26] <cyphermox> yeah
[01:26] <BobJonkman> UCADay?
[01:27] <dscassel> Sure.
[01:27] <dscassel> Thanks for the shout out Bob. :)
[01:27] <BobJonkman> Hooray for dscassel and txwikinger
[01:27] <dscassel> I wanted to write a blog post, but I ended up getting swamped with work.
[01:27] <dscassel> I probably should do it anyway. 9_9
[01:28]  * txwikinger too
[01:28] <dscassel> Thanks for your help with the LoCo directory, Ubuntu Hour and meeting minutes, Bob. :D
[01:29] <dscassel> Every day should be UCADay. :)
[01:29] <BobJonkman> UCADay is one of those things that shouldn't need to exist.  Thanx should be spread around every day
[01:29] <BobJonkman> :)
[01:29] <BobJonkman> But now that it's here it can be another rallying point for an event
[01:30] <txwikinger> It is always easy to looik at some visible leaders
[01:30] <txwikinger> I think UCA is to appreciate the people who are not getting appreciation on a regular basis
[01:30] <txwikinger> Like the person that came to the last Ubuntu hour with a question
[01:31] <txwikinger> Or the person that recently decided to use Ubuntu
[01:32] <dscassel> I'm all for that.
[01:32] <dscassel> Next!
[01:32] <dscassel> Upcoming Events
[01:32] <dscassel> Christmas!
[01:32] <dscassel> Uh, kinda a slow month.
[01:32] <txwikinger> Hey.. I said that!
[01:33] <BobJonkman> Merry Chrishanukwandiwaleid!
[01:33] <dscassel> There's an Ubuntu Hour tomorrow in Waterloo.
[01:33]  * txwikinger is on podcasr duty
[01:33] <dscassel> There'll (probably) be one Jan 6 in Kitchener.
[01:34] <dscassel> There's one in your town as soon as you run it! :D
[01:34] <txwikinger> Are the three wise men coming?
[01:34] <BobJonkman> There were a couple of impromptu Ubuntu Minutes during NaNoWriMo.
[01:34] <dscassel> txwikinger: You, Charles and Bob?
[01:34] <BobJonkman> I gave away a bunch of Ubuntu disks
[01:34] <dscassel> BobJonkman: That's awesome.
[01:34] <txwikinger> stop picking onmy white beard
[01:35]  * dscassel and txwikinger are in the same room, btw.
[01:36] <BobJonkman> I was sitting at one NaNo write-in, rotating my Compiz cube, and overheard someone ask "What's That?"  and the reply, "Oh, htat's L:inux".
[01:36] <dscassel> You can see us here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kwartzlab (behind the guys talking about the laser cutter)
[01:36] <BobJonkman> So I gave them disks
[01:37] <BobJonkman> Linux seems to be fairly popular amongst the NaNoWriMo crowd
[01:38] <dscassel> Cool. :D
[01:38] <dscassel> We have a date for the Global Jam:
[01:38] <dscassel> March 2-4, 2012
[01:38] <BobJonkman> Anything happening for Ubuntu-ca ?
[01:38] <txwikinger> That is better than last time
[01:39] <dscassel> Start planning now!
[01:39] <dscassel> We'll be doing something at Kwartzlab in KW.
[01:39] <dscassel> (unconfirmed)
[01:39] <txwikinger> Well. I would say we should slowly start planning
[01:39] <BobJonkman> dscassel: That'll be a Saturday afternoon at Kwartzlab?
[01:39] <dscassel> I'll see if Sammy is up for doing anything in Toronto.
[01:40] <dscassel> BobJonkman: yup.
[01:40] <dscassel> If you're interested, let us know!
[01:41] <txwikinger> I will make sure we annouce it early enough in the region
[01:41] <txwikinger> I think the treehaus people are a good audience
[01:41] <dscassel> Yeah. I'd like to have a bit more of a plan this time.
[01:41] <dscassel> I think I said that last time too.
[01:43] <dscassel> We could ask around for formal talks/presentations on interesting Ubuntu development/QA things.
[01:45] <dscassel> Maybe I can talk to people at UW (eg, the CSC) about joining us.
[01:45] <txwikinger> Anybody in other cities willing to organise something?
[01:45] <txwikinger> If needed
[01:46] <bregma> what goes on in a global jam?
[01:46] <txwikinger> we can have the streaming running so there does not need to be a full organisation with presentation etc
[01:46] <dscassel> bregma: Depends on who's running it and what people want to do.
[01:46] <dscassel> Easiest thing is install testing for the beta.
[01:46] <dscassel> Try it out on hardware.
[01:47] <dscassel> Then there's bug triage.
[01:47] <dscassel> Or the group can take on a project.
[01:47] <dscassel> Florida will be running a LoCo Directory dev sprint.
[01:48] <dscassel> Vancouver did their Unity documentation during a global jam, I think.
[01:49] <dscassel> Pick a package and give it some love. Stuff like that.
[01:49] <txwikinger> The thing is to organise a place and time and invite people
[01:49] <txwikinger> To get some programme together should be not too difficult after that
[01:49] <txwikinger> And we can work toegther which is in my opinion anyway the idea of a "global" jam
[01:50] <dscassel> Yeah. If you know who's coming, you can work with their skills and interest.
[01:51] <BobJonkman> I still haven't seen txwikinger's presentation on bug triage
[01:51] <txwikinger> I can repeat it if people are aren't bored by it
[01:52] <dscassel> Never. :)
[01:52] <hakimsheriff> Hello Everybody
[01:52] <dscassel> Hi, hakimsheriff :)
[01:52] <BobJonkman> Hello hakimsheriff
[01:52] <hakimsheriff> Sorry I missed the meeting, is it still going on?
[01:53] <BobJonkman> Just talking about the Ubuntu Global Jam
[01:53] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: Yup, but winding down.
[01:53] <hakimsheriff> ahh okay,
[01:54] <dscassel> hakimsheriff: ever been to the Montreal jam?
[01:54] <dscassel> I guess it was at the Canonical office last time.
[01:55] <hakimsheriff> No, never,
[01:55] <BobJonkman> Do you think any of the local high-tech companies would be interested in hosting the Jam?
[01:55] <dscassel> BobJonkman: You mean in KW?
[01:56] <dscassel> Possibly, but we've got Kwartzlab which is easier to coordinate.
[01:56] <pangolin> dscassel: the last bug jam was at the Canonical Montreal offices.
[01:56] <BobJonkman> I know of some high tech companies in KW.  If we can get them interested, they might host in other location s too
[01:57] <dscassel> BobJonkman: I'm all for more events, but I can only organize one. :)
[01:58] <BobJonkman> I'm not sure if places like Google, RIM or OpenText would view an Ubuntu event as "The Competition"
[01:59] <dscassel> OpenText doesn't view Ubuntu as competition. (I happen to know...)
[01:59] <BobJonkman> Thought you might...
[01:59] <dscassel> And they'd be open to hosting/sponsoring.
[02:00] <BobJonkman> One of the women at NaNoWriMo worked at some local high tech firm (forget which one), and declicned my offer of a disk.  Said her company already usess Ubuntu.
[02:00] <BobJonkman> So there might be a mercenary interest...
[02:01] <dscassel> Bob, we'll talk tomorrow. :)
[02:02] <BobJonkman> Meet you at the Waterloo Ubuntu Hour :))
[02:03] <dscassel> That's the end of our planned agenda. Anyone have anything else?
[02:03] <mars> BobJonkman, what time is the Waterloo hour?
[02:03] <BobJonkman> The Waterloo Ubuntu Hour is at 8:00pm EST at Whole Lota Gelata
[02:04] <BobJonkman> They might be closing early (9:00pm) because it's cold and dark out
[02:04] <mars> cool, thanks
[02:05] <BobJonkman> Next meeting on the 10th or thet 17th of January?
[02:06] <BobJonkman> IRC meeting, that is
[02:06] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Either works for me.  10th?
[02:06] <BobJonkman> OK, I'll post it shortly.
[02:07] <dscassel> Thanks, all. :)
[02:07] <bregma> ta-taa
[02:08] <BobJonkman> Back to my 'focus-on-a-window-I-can't-find' problem.  I can type in this window, but the mouse is active somewhere else.  Can't find it.
[02:08] <BobJonkman> I'm considering the IT Crowd solution: Turn it off and on again.
[02:09] <BobJonkman> Any better ideas?
[02:09] <dscassel> BobJonkman: no idea.
[02:09] <bregma> try compiz --replace from a terminal window?
[02:09] <dscassel> I've had weird focus issues on my desktop lately.  Intermitent and inconsistent too.
[02:10] <BobJonkman> bregma: What does that do?
[02:11] <bregma> it restarts compiz, I think, unless X is really messed up
[02:11] <hakimsheriff> Okay everybody, Bye!
[02:11] <bregma> which it often is for me, but I'm special that way
[02:13] <BobJonkman> I don't think it's *really* messed up.  I can move the mouse pointer on the screen, but it appearst to be on something else
[02:22] <BobJonkman> OK, back to normal.  I think
[02:23] <BobJonkman> Switched to a text screen, killed the tty7 session.  Logged in again, but the left-mouse button was still unresponsive.  Turned the mouse off and on again, now everything is fine
[02:23] <BobJonkman> It's a Logitech bluetooth mouse,  a really fine beast most days
[02:24] <bregma> sometimes bluetooth can go a little wonky too
[02:24] <BobJonkman> Screwed up the Synaptics pad too, though, so I thought it was something else
[02:24] <bregma> yeah, that sounds like messed up xinput
[02:24] <BobJonkman> compiz --replace complained it couldn't find the display
[02:25] <BobJonkman> It doesn't look like $DISPLAY is set on my computer
[02:25] <bregma> oh, that, you have to set DISPLAY=:0 before you run it
[02:25] <bregma> if you;re doing it from a text console (not a text console window)
[02:25] <BobJonkman> Oh.  Thought some Xterm process would do that
[02:25] <bregma> it remonds me of that every time I do it
[02:26] <BobJonkman> Yup, I was using a text screen, not a window
[02:27] <BobJonkman> Setting DISPLAY, is that '=:' the operator, or is ':0' the display number?
[02:27] <bregma> :0 is the display number (or :0.0)
[02:27] <bregma> you can;t put any spaces arounf the equals sign because it;s a shell variable
[02:27] <BobJonkman> Odd.  Looks like I gots some reading to do
[02:28] <bregma> X adds 6000 to the left part of the display number to get the port number
[02:28] <bregma> so if you start a second X server on :11, for example, it reads on pot 6011
[02:28] <bregma> just, you know, in case you feel like running a second server or something
[02:29] <BobJonkman> Would a second server be running if I use ssh -X ?
[02:29] <bregma> no, that does port forwarding
[02:29] <BobJonkman> Always on port 6000 then?
[02:30] <bregma> by default, yes
[02:30] <BobJonkman> Man, I gots me some readingn to do...
[02:30] <bregma> if you run ssh -X, it opens port 6010 on the remote end and sets DISPLAY=:10, and connects that locally to port 6000
[02:32] <bregma> it's kind of like call forwarding
[02:36] <BobJonkman> Yes, ssh port forwarding (and reverse port forwarding) is awesome.
[02:36] <BobJonkman> I use that all the time, connect to work computers from clients, or provide support to clients from the office
[03:14] <khoover> it end?
[03:17] <zeroedout> Considering it started at 2 hours ago, I would think so
[03:20] <khoover> cheers.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:47] <bregma> ahhh, back in the saddle again....
[13:48] <bregma> ... by which I really mean comfortable office chair ...
[14:10] <bregma> ... yeee-hahhh ...
[15:05] <dscassel> Ride 'em, cowboy?
[17:38] <kenjy> hi guys, whats up? did some one call me?
[17:40] <DarwinSurvivor> kenjy: you were probably included in the channel-wide ping before the meeting yesterday
[17:40] <bregma> that was 16 hours ago
[17:40] <kenjy> ups, tnks DarwinSurvivor , Im always late on the meetings xD
[17:43] <kenjy> hahaha okay bregma =)
[17:43] <kenjy> sorry about my absence
[18:44] <BluesKaj> yeah , I didn't notice til this morning ....
[18:46] <BluesKaj> anyway , having fun with pulseaudio again , gawd I wissh alsa would connect directly to flash on web audio content