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czajkowskialoha07:29
AlanBellmorning07:57
DJonesMorning all08:01
TheOpenSourcererMorning and good day. Off to do some Ubuntu and vtiger upgrades08:02
popeyMorning all08:42
oimoncheck out the drummer in this vid...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ItZyaOlrb7E#!09:18
oimonfirst minute is a bit slow09:18
DJonesIf that band had had a Australian flag instead of a US one, I'd have thought that was my cousin09:20
oimonthat whole flag thing is so alien to us brits09:21
oimoni hear they even put them up in church too09:21
MartijnVdSoimon: Americans put everything in church09:23
matttthat video is funny :)09:24
popeyYo dawg! I hear you like churches..09:24
oimonin other news , super meat boy is part of the jumble bundle :)09:24
gordonjcp~.09:36
JamesTaitGood morning, everyone! :)09:38
MartijnVdSgordonjcp: your ssh session is still alive :)09:38
gordonjcpMartijnVdS: it hass d gone  bit broken09:39
gordonjcp*had09:39
gordonjcpwarrington, y u no have hsdpa coerage?09:40
DJonesgordonjcp: Its Warrington.. Enough said :)09:46
DJonesI live about 10-15 minutes away from there09:46
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andylockrananyone know much about snmp internals in HP Printers?10:07
andylockranI'm getting 'Toner Low ("Ready")' returned, but according to the Web GUI the toner is 79% full.10:08
dwatkinsPerhaps that's what it defines as 'low'.10:09
dwatkinsandylockran: does it have a http front-end?10:09
andylockranyeah, that's where I'm seeing the 79% full10:10
Myrttimorning (UTG)!10:10
andylockrandwatkins: same model of printer 4200 same snmp settings returns 'Printer Ready - OK'10:11
andylockranand that has 21% toner left10:11
awilkinsMy Samsung returns the low toner (specifically "Marker supply missing") error if any of the colour toners is low10:11
andylockranawilkins: this is a black printer10:11
andylockranwahey - 'clear maintenance message' :D10:12
dogmatic69how can i lsof for a particular user?10:13
awilkinsDo an lsof and grep on their username?10:16
andylockranlsof -uawilkins10:17
dogmatic69clearly my grep skills are lacking, would it just be lsof | grep foobar10:17
awilkinsWhat andylockran said also10:18
awilkinsBut yes, that's how you would do it with grep10:18
dogmatic69andylockran: thanks, that works10:18
awilkinscat grabflash10:18
awilkinsOoops10:18
awilkinsJust wondering how my "grab flash video" script does it10:18
awilkinsFlash player used to cache video in /tmp but it creates a file in temp, opens it, then deletes it now10:19
awilkinsYou can still copy it from it's kernel file handle10:19
selinuxiumErm... Anyone good at filing bugs about? Got one and I am not sure what to do with it..10:44
andylockranselinuxium: hit me10:44
selinuxiumTake a look at    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/787918/Screenshot%20at%202011-12-14%2010_40_33.png10:44
andylockranooh10:45
andylockranok10:45
popeyselinuxium: ubuntu-bug ubiquity10:45
selinuxiumLook at the top left... Install Ubuntu 11.10 yeah? Well now look at the installation types...10:45
dwatkinsso it's missing the text?10:46
selinuxiumNo it is saying to upgrade to 11.0410:46
selinuxiumnot 11.1010:46
selinuxiumConfused the hell out of me..10:46
dwatkinsIt says Upgrade to <nothing>10:46
popeyno it isnt10:46
selinuxiumDoh...10:46
popeyre-read it10:46
selinuxiumI read that entirely wrong..10:47
popeytill wrong though10:47
selinuxiumThe top one shouldn't be re-install..10:47
popeyno.. it says "Upgrade 11.04 to" it should say "Upgrade 11.04 to 11.10"10:48
selinuxiumI read it wrong as I already did this and the text was different.. I believe anyway..10:48
popey10:45:53 < popey> selinuxium: ubuntu-bug ubiquity10:48
selinuxiumpopey, yes, but I want to Erase Ubuntu and install 11.10... I will raise the bug...10:50
andylockranso it's the 11.10 disk in there?10:50
selinuxiumandylockran: yes that is why it says install Ubuntu 11.10 in the top left.10:51
popeyselinuxium: use 'something else' and manually pick the partition to install on then10:51
Laneybrrrrr10:53
Laneythe office is freezing this morning10:53
andylockranOffice always freezes for me :p10:57
andylockran</dodgygeekjoke>10:57
selinuxiumpopey, How could a 11.10 install disk reinstall 11.04... :)  I am sure that this reads differently normally...10:57
andylockranselinuxium: you definitely put an 11.10 disk in there??10:58
popeydude10:58
popeyre-read what you type10:58
popey10:50:22 < selinuxium> popey, yes, but I want to Erase Ubuntu and install 11.10... I will raise the bug...10:58
popey10:51:46 < popey> selinuxium: use 'something else' and manually pick the partition to install on then10:58
popey10:57:50 < selinuxium> popey, How could a 11.10 install disk reinstall 11.04... :)  I am sure that this reads differently normally...10:58
selinuxiumpopey, I am raising the bug  :)10:58
popeyyou said you wanted to install 11.1010:58
selinuxiumpopey: I do, the top selection says it will reinstall 11.04...10:59
popeyyes, a bug10:59
selinuxiumpopey, or it at least infers that10:59
davmor2morning all11:01
dogmatic69anyone know of free / cheap email service for sending / receiving11:03
davmor2dogmatic69: you're ISP's?11:05
* Laney shelters underneath andylockran 11:05
dogmatic69davmor2: dont think so11:05
selinuxiumSubmitted. #90419611:07
davmor2dogmatic69: why not you asked for free or cheap that is ;)11:08
davmor2dogmatic69: gmail, msn, yahoo?11:09
dogmatic69davmor2: got sky at home and its in the mrs name, so too much hassle11:09
dogmatic69ill look at google apps11:09
mistertim_Hi there all -would anyone be able to advise me on a slightly mysterious xorg problem I'm having? After running an apt-get upgrade yesterday, my machine's refused to load the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver. I'm using the xorg-edgers PPA, but removing this and downgrading hasn't helped either.11:10
DJonesGrr, When you ask your ISP to regrade your service & the issue a new annual invoice, why don't they send out the credit note to cover the overlap period at the same time11:11
AlanBellmistertim_: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-x11:14
mistertim_AlanBell: aah, thanks very much, will do!11:15
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andylockranLaney: ?11:19
Laneydon't mind me11:20
andylockrancan you get out from under me; I'm scared on treading on you11:20
brobostigongood morning everyone.11:22
* Laney clings to andylockran's legs11:22
Laneyon an unrelated note, can I alter the sharing settings of previous G+ posts?11:22
davmor2czajkowski: prod morning chuck11:23
MartijnVdSLaney: only by re-posting, or clicking "share" on the original one11:26
MartijnVdSLaney: figured that one out yesterday11:26
Laneyk11:27
MartijnVdSLaney: posted the Secret Santa thing incorrectly? :)11:27
Laneyno, I just wanted to add another circle to a post I made before11:27
* MartijnVdS adds Laney to a circle11:28
Laneystupid inverted sharing model11:28
MartijnVdSLaney: apply for job at google, fix bug, quit.11:29
Laneyi /did/ get recruiter spammed yesterday11:29
Laneybut it's more a design decision than a bug sadly11:29
MartijnVdSLaney: infiltrate design team, fix decision, quit?11:32
LaneyON IT!11:33
andylockran:p11:34
danfishoooh - lunchtime meeting. Good idea11:44
danfish(ubuntu-uk I mean)11:44
awilkinsWe have a lunchtime educational meeting. On Orang-utans.12:03
brobostigoninteresting,12:05
awilkinsHappily this is optional12:05
awilkinsI can summarize it in a few words, - orang-utans are cute, and awesome, and endangered, giz some cash?12:05
dwatkinsMake sure to look for the gorilla.12:05
awilkinsMeanwhile I struggle with the PAIN of Swing UI12:06
awilkinsSwing developers SUFFER every day, what would you contribute to alleviate their plight?12:06
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daubersAlanBell: Where you going to mention the twinning thing at the meeting?12:45
AlanBelldunno, no details yet12:48
daubersok12:49
daubersWeeeeee12:52
daubersNow got some tools in the workshop telling me when they're finished using MQTT and pynotify12:53
DJonesDifferent, the new google chrome stable release allows "multiple users"12:56
popeyfinally13:02
daubersSo..... if I want bzr to do something when a push is made to the central source, is there a way to deal with that centrally? Preferably from bzr (not mashing around with inotify)13:17
MartijnVdSdaubers: like commit/push hooks?13:18
MartijnVdSdaubers: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/hooks.html13:18
daubersah! There are server side hooks! Was reading some stuff which suggested there aren't13:18
MartijnVdSdaubers: I don't know if there are13:19
MartijnVdSI'm just googling the first thing that comes to mind :)13:19
daubersah, that needs a "smart server" and I have no idea what that is :)13:20
MartijnVdSdaubers: that's a bzr running on the server end13:20
MartijnVdSdaubers: not just sshd13:21
daubersyeah, we use sftp I think.....13:21
dauberswill have a look into it13:21
* AlanBell is excited about a new kernel in -proposed \o/15:39
brobostigonwhy?15:39
AlanBellfixes the VGA port on core i3 chipset laptops15:39
brobostigonah.15:39
DJonesAlanBell: There was a problem with the port ? That would probably explain why my wife couldn't get her laptop to work with a projector15:43
jutnux\o everybody15:44
BigRedSG'morning!15:47
gordhurrah, finally found the turn off priority inbox setting in gmail, that thing is annoying15:49
jutnux\o everybody15:51
DJones\o/ Extra bank holiday in 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8441972.stm 4 day weekend here we come :)16:06
bigcalmIt's been known about for a long time. Why are the BBC talking about it now?16:06
* davmor2 prods czajkowski who seems to be oddly quiet today16:06
jutnuxIs this the royal wedding thing?16:06
DJonesNot sure, I didn't know, but the article is dated June 201016:07
* jutnux looks at Article16:07
bigcalmNo, that has already happened16:07
Laneyit just got raised up the top articles16:07
jutnuxI know bigcalm, but I thought there was always goiung to be a bank holiday from that?16:07
DJonesQueens Daimond Jubilee celebration16:07
bigcalmNo, just a one off for the wedding16:07
jutnuxJust read it, woo.16:07
bigcalmAnd now a one off for the jubilee16:07
hamitronwho can not like the Royal Family, when we get days off? ;)16:08
gordbecause without them, we could pool all the days off into one glorious week off16:10
hamitronhmmm16:12
* hamitron likes long weekends16:12
hamitron:D16:12
hamitronwell, apart from all the traffic16:12
hamitronbecause of all the fools on the road16:12
hamitron:/16:12
gordlike you? ;)16:12
hamitronno16:12
hamitronI'd just ban cars16:13
hamitron;)16:13
hamitronnot biased in ANY way16:13
oimonwhat's the big idea with people on amazon charging £87 for books that are usually 7.99?16:13
hamitronprofit?16:14
hamitron:/16:14
oimonsurely nobody's gonna buy?16:14
gordoimon, auto matching? seen that happen before, books would rise to millions in a few hours because two competing companies had a price matching algorithm that ended up in competition16:14
davmor2oimon: you'll be surprised16:14
hamitronI've been tempted to pay over the odds for a few books16:15
hamitronbeen lucky, found a nice 2nd hand copy of one I wanted16:15
oimonthe 2nd hand copy is 0.0116:15
hamitronanother I just refuse to spend as much as it costs16:15
davmor2oimon: depends if it is a first edition etc too there are some mad ass collectors of books out there16:16
hamitronnew is nice though16:16
hamitron:)16:16
oimonit's just a regular book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marriage-Book-Nicky-Sila-Lee/dp/190407455316:16
hamitronmaybe if a couple used that version of the book, and they are very happy.... just want a copy for sentimental reasons? ;)16:17
hamitronafter having maybe lost their copy in a fire16:18
* hamitron shrugs16:18
oimona lot of the seller's prices seem to be sky high16:18
hamitrontbh, I swear people are getting more greedy when selling things16:19
hamitronthen expect better deals when they are buying16:20
DJonesSpeaking of books, I didn't know that e-books were charged vat at 20% while the paper copy of the same book would be at 0%16:20
oimonyep16:20
DJonesI only found out yesterday because there was something on the BBC website about a ministers answer in teh commons16:21
oimonthe govt could do something about it, but frankly the publishers are profiteering atm anyway16:21
hamitronI hope it stays that way tbh16:22
oimonif the govt removed vat then i bet the prices would float towards the current level16:22
hamitronI'd hate to see ebooks replace books16:22
oimoni've no more room for my books anymore16:22
hamitronthat is a problem, yeh :)16:22
hamitronand I agree ebooks are good16:23
oimonit's weird..some books i have in paper form but i don't read them. if i get them in ebook form  i read them16:23
hamitronbut.... not good if new books start to be available electronically only.... doesn't make them as available to all16:23
oimonstarting a book if off-putting in paper format..cos you can see much much left to read16:24
hamitronhaha, yeh16:24
hamitron:LD16:24
hamitron:D16:24
hamitronbut just think.... you can't slam a kindle around, to the same affect as a 1200 page book16:25
hamitron;)16:25
oimoni treat my books as if they were a kindle :)16:25
oimoni get upset when people turn over the corners16:25
hamitronsame16:25
hamitronbut just putting it on the desk, making it shake, can reduce the number of people "bugging" ya16:26
hamitron:)16:26
funkyHatLjL: impostor!16:26
DJoneshamitron: Unless your Geoff Capes, most people can't slamm a 1200 page book round anyway :)16:26
hamitronerm?16:26
hamitronoimon, I think ideally, ebooks could be provided for free, when you buy a hard copy.... then offer discount for electronic only?16:31
oimonyep16:31
hamitronbut just an idea.... are ebooks expensive atm, to subsidise the cheaper ebook readers?16:33
LjLfunkyHat: WUT16:34
oimonhamitron: apparently it's the publishers who are calling the prices16:34
hamitronah16:34
oimonand us mugs who are paying16:34
hamitrononly reason i can see, is so they don't lose sales of the ard copies16:34
hamitronhard*16:34
oimonmy mrs just bought some ebooks of paper books that she owns already :S16:34
hamitron:/16:35
funkyHatLjL: just because your English is better than most Brits doesn't mean you can... oh, wait... maybe it does.16:35
oimonshe is dyslexic and the kindle background makes reading easier (and the font size)16:35
hamitronI have downloaded a few PDF files of books I already own from torrent sites tbh16:35
hamitronbut I don't have a portible electronic device to read them, so rarely need such stuff16:36
oimoni could probably rationalise it, but it's still forbidden , presenting an ethical dilemma16:37
LjLfunkyHat: Sorry my dear chap, I'd be delighted to continue entertaining this lovely conversation with you, but Elizabeth is expecting me for the afternoon tea.16:37
funkyHat❡⢁D16:38
bigcalmThat is quite a funky hat16:40
davmor2bigcalm: bit too much of the xmas spirit though look at his eyes16:43
mgdmfunkyHat: what Unicode is the character for the eyes? :)16:43
bigcalmdavmor2: I did think they were a little squiffy16:43
bigcalmdavmor2: now that you're here, shall we set a date for Wolverhampton next month?16:43
davmor2gord: when you back from the sprint?16:44
gorddavmor2, 13th i think16:45
funkyHatmgdm: a sekrit!16:45
mgdm:(16:45
funkyHat(should I tell him that gucharmap has a search feature?)16:46
davmor2mgdm: to find out use python ;)  x=u'⢁'  and then x16:46
mgdm⢁D16:46
funkyHatTHEIF16:47
mgdmdavmor2: ah, gucharmap got there first16:47
bigcalmThat's making my eyes go squiffy16:47
davmor2gord, bigcalm: shall we say the 26th?  or is that too late in the month?16:47
gorddavmor2, sounds fine to me16:47
bigcalmdavmor2: doesn't matter when in the month for me :)16:48
bigcalmLet me see what my diary says16:48
bigcalmworks for me :)16:48
davmor2bigcalm, gord: okay pencil it in then and I'll let the others know at the lug tonight and then start hitting the Mailing lists16:50
monsterwizardis anyone here a system's programmer?16:55
mgdmwhy...?16:55
monsterwizardor someone who is involved in 'programming electronics'16:55
mgdmI fiddle with Arduinos a bit, does that count?16:55
monsterwizardI want to know how to get a job similar to them16:55
monsterwizarderm16:55
monsterwizardnot really16:55
monsterwizardbut I suppose it can in ways16:56
christelAlanBell: what's happening tonight? is it on? off? :)17:00
Myrttionoffonoffonoff17:04
Myrtti*clickclickclickclickclickclick*17:04
bigcalmAnybody here migrated a cakephp 1.1 project to cakephp 1.2?17:06
cliftontsI'm going slightly mad here! I've got an open university assignment due in tomorrow but libre office is determined I should fail! Does anyone know how to calculate mean, median and standard deviation using built in tools?17:28
cliftontsanyone?17:30
monsterwizardI'd go to #math if I were you17:31
gordcliftonts, http://easycalculation.com/statistics/standard-deviation.php ?17:31
cliftontsgord: thanks but the whole point of the question in the assignment is to make office to the calculation17:32
popeythere is a link at the bottom which tells you how to arrive at the answer17:34
popeyyou can plug that into libreoffice17:34
popeyhttp://easycalculation.com/statistics/learn-standard-deviation.php17:34
gordassuming you are using calc, it comes with functions to do also, STDEV for example http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Statistical_Functions_Part_Five#STDEVA17:34
cliftontsI'm not 100% sure they'll accept that. But it's got to be better than what I've got in there at the moment - 'I don't know!'17:35
cliftontsI tried reading those help files but they weren't making a great deal of sense. I'm sure I'll get there17:36
cliftontswill those functions also work in ms office?17:36
gordi've no idea about ms office17:37
popey*blank* *look*17:37
cliftontsthat could be interesting then. I have no idea what package the marker will be running17:37
cliftontsperhaps considering the nature of modern computing it's a rather poorly designed question17:37
gordinclude a link to libre office in your assignment, note that its free ;)17:38
cliftontslol that definately won't work17:38
DaraelJust add a note at the top:  "This spreadsheet was made in LibreOffice and works in that; I'm not sure about MS Office, sorry"?  Presumably won't get it marked correct if they can't make it work but will at least explain what's going on.17:38
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cliftontsanyway I've got less than 2 hours to crack this so I'd better get on. Thanks for your help17:39
directhexnote: recent versions of office can read .ods files17:44
directhexalthough absolute basics like STDEV should be fine in OOcalc's efforts to write a .xls file17:44
DaraelYes, but they don't read formulae - the standard doesn't specify how they're stored so the MS implementation is incompatible with everyone else's.  'Least, that's how it was last time I looked.17:44
directhexno promises on .xlsx - bit systems supporting xlsx should also support ods17:45
DaraelTook a bit of searching, but it appears the formula problem remains in Office 2010: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/office2010/thread/a51bfdec-82d8-4405-a29c-1cae686443d017:48
AlanBello/ gordonjcp18:02
mgdmello18:02
jutnuxo/18:07
AlanBellchristel: I am still up for it, waiting to hear from gordonjcp18:18
christelAlanBell: cool! let me know when you hear from him :)18:26
monsterwizardI need an IBM compuer18:31
monsterwizardcomputer*18:31
mgdmwhy?18:31
monsterwizardbecause they're cool :(18:31
MartijnVdSmonsterwizard: the old IBM PC original one?18:32
AlanBellO.o18:32
* mgdm is typing this on a Thinkpad18:32
mgdmdoes that count? :)18:32
popeyI still want a VT100 ☹18:32
monsterwizardnaaaahhhhhh that doesn't count18:32
monsterwizardI guess no one has one for sale18:35
MartijnVdSpopey: they don't do UTF-8 though18:38
popeyyeah, that's an issue ☺18:42
ali1234popey: you should get a SAA5050 and a AVR and build your own VT19:50
popeyheh19:51
popeyI really honestly specifically want a VT10019:51
ali1234why though19:51
popeyfond memories of college19:51
ali1234i didn't think you were that much older than me19:52
ali1234my college had pentiums19:52
popeyI am 3919:52
brobostigoneeek, popey is ten years older than him.19:53
popeyWhen I was at college we had a VAX and a Pr1me19:53
popeyVT100's and some proprietary Pr1me terminal19:53
ali1234hmm19:53
ali1234that's about right actually19:53
brobostigonme*19:53
ali1234if it just me or was the prgress made in computing between 1980 and 1990 a lot bigger than everything that has happened since?19:54
popeyfeels that way19:54
brobostigoneeek, popey is ten years older than me.19:54
brobostigoncorrection*19:54
popeyI really loved the coily keyboard lead on the VT10019:55
popeyand the smell when you turn it on19:55
brobostigoni like the keyboard on my thinkpad.19:55
ali1234who saw that femto-second article? that's the most amazing thing i've seen in the past few years i think19:58
ali1234femto-photography that is19:58
AlanBellyeah, very cool19:58
AlanBellnot convinced it is described well by the media19:58
popeyali1234: nope19:59
popeylink?19:59
ali1234http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/20:00
bigcalmpopey: how do you get the new version of spotify on linux? My client hasn't had any updates20:01
ali1234http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKu20y1f_RU&feature=g-like20:01
AlanBellwonder if they have done a double slit experiment with that going on20:03
bigcalmAnnoying20:05
gordi'm still not sure whats happening in that camera, how everyone else describes it (repeat the same light pulse, record a frame at different incriments) isn't how i understand it, namely that they have a kind of electron mirror, which they are able to change the angle of reflection of extreamly fast, letting them scan the image over a long series of sensors. the repeat imaging is only there to allow them to capture 2d images instead of 1d images20:09
ali1234nope20:09
ali1234it takes an hour to record one of the videos20:10
AlanBellwhat the media interpretations of it don't get is that the camera is not "looking at the photons travelling" the camera is getting the reflected light that has hit something (dust or an object) and bounced back to the camera lens20:11
ali1234the second link explains how the camera works (it's actually a standard piece of kit repurposed)20:12
gordwell then my idea is better, someone give me a grant20:12
ali1234well that's kind of how it works20:13
ali1234but the "electron mirror" is how they separate the photons over time20:13
ali1234so you get a 2d image, where one of the dimensions is time20:13
ali1234then you repeat it using a normal mirror to capture different scanlines of the scene20:14
ali1234repeating it lots of times is what takes an hour20:14
AlanBellreal world ray tracing20:15
gorda regular camera is "real world ray tracing" ;)20:16
ali1234yes20:16
MartijnVdSlot less CPU-intensive20:16
AlanBellit isn't ray tracing if it takes less than an hour :)20:16
bigcalmHaha20:16
ali1234one of the applications of this is in improving ray tracers, because you can actually analyse object's transparency/subsurface scattering rather than just guessing20:17
gordi've seen real time ray traces before, its nerd porn20:17
Daraelhttp://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKu20y1f_RU20:17
DaraelWhoops, my apologies.20:18
ali1234ray marching is cool20:18
DaraelThat's what I get when I forget what irssi window I'm in.20:18
ali1234it's amusing how it ends up looking like a CCD when there's not enough light20:18
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LcawteHmm, ubuntu server installed, grub launches on this machine, move it to its real machine (because it doesn't like live cds) and it doesn't work anymore... it was working before do-release-upgrade broke its grub (which is why I brought it up here to fix)21:03
LcawteAnyone have any idea whats going on, and how I can fix it?21:04
tonytigerI'm not sure what your set up is21:14
tonytigerYou have installed ubuntu server on some hardware but it's not booting?21:14
LcawteWell, it gets to BIOS then thats it, it just hangs... (boot from CD: is the last thing I see (bios boot priorities, floopy -> cd -> hard disk)21:15
xr1Can you sync google docs with Ubuntu one?21:21
AlanBellhmm, somthing very wrong with the internet? I have stuff on and off all over the place?21:27
jutnuxYES, Ubuntu mugs back in stock.21:28
jutnuxShame I'm waiting for PayPal to clear some money.21:28
* hamitron orders all the mugs21:29
hamitron;)21:29
jutnuxYou dare :-(21:30
safiyyahhi guys , my sound stopped working21:34
safiyyahcompletely!21:34
safiyyahworked fine for the last 3 months! no upgrade done... it was working at 7:30pm and now it is not.... I have rebooted and no luck21:34
safiyyahanyone please?21:42
Darael!patience | safiyyah21:42
lubotu3safiyyah: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/21:42
AlanBell!audio21:42
lubotu3If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.21:42
DaraelMay I also suggest asking in #ubuntu?  There's a lot more people in there and they may be able to offer a faster response.21:42
safiyyahthank you21:43
awilkinsBah, social obligations. I'm knackered.22:14
* gordonjcp is knackered too22:21
gordonjcpbusy day, lot of driving and a lot of humphing boxes about22:21
awilkinsUgh Christmas coming up too.22:22
jutnuxYou no likey Christmas?22:22
brobostigongood night everyone, sleep well.22:23
awilkinsPutting up with the inlaws and driving 500 miles in e days? not so much.22:23
jutnux\o brobostigon22:23
brobostigono/ jutnux22:23
jutnuxHaha, I just have the grandparents round.22:23
awilkinsWhat's worse is people jollying you along. "Oh, you *have* to enjoy yourself, it's CHRISTMAS"22:24
jutnuxI guess driving isn't so fun.22:24
DaraelOh, quite.  Utterly infuriating.22:24
jutnuxNeither is being round the inlaws.22:24
jutnuxWhat are your favourite "holidays" then?22:26
awilkinsI'm going to find a spa resort that has a ban on Christmas and pretend I've donated m Christmas week to Geeks Sans Frontiers or something.22:26
awilkins"Oh, darling, they NEED a new version control infrastructure for the CHILDREN."22:27
jutnuxTwitter, Y U BE DOWN22:27
awilkinsHolidays.... best holiday is when wifelet goes on holiday and leaves me at home22:28
bigcalmAwww22:30
jacobwwifelet?22:32
awilkinsSmall wife.22:33
jacobwlol, do you have many sizes of wife?22:34
jacobwor just 'small wife'22:34
awilkinsJust the one22:34
labcoattechhi22:59
labcoattechany known issues with running x64 version of ubuntu over x32, I have 4gb ram in my machine23:02
gordlabcoattech, what do you mean "over"?23:04
labcoattechis it better to23:04
labcoattechI am running win 7 with 4gb ram and want to dual boot with ubuntu, the ubuntu download page says 32-bit recommended23:06
DaraelOh, that.  That's just because it's marginally more widely-compatible (because there are still some machines around that aren't 64-bit capable).23:07
labcoattechok, thanks23:07
DaraelHistorically, Flash was less stable on x86-64 because it had to use a wrapper, but Adobe have since released 64-bit Flash Player for Linux, which I believe is what the flashplugin-installer uses on 64-bit now.23:09
Darael!64bit23:09
lubotu3AMD64 and Intel 64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. Consider using 64-bit if your memory ussage exceeds 4GB. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit23:09
popeylabcoattech: all my machines run 64-bit Ubuntu.23:10
popeynot all have lots of RAM, but I run 64-bit anyway on all of them23:10
DaraelTo quote the page linked, labcoattech: "Which Should I Choose?: Unless you have specific reasons to choose 32-bit, we recommend 64-bit to utilise the full capacity of your hardware. "23:10
labcoattechcool, thanks23:11
DaraelHmm, that page needs an update to reflect that MultiArch is enabled from Oneiric.23:11
labcoattechwhats the best way to install ubuntu as dual boot, boot from the .iso or run the installer from windows?23:22
popeythe former23:22
popeyfor some definition of 'best' ☺23:22
labcoattechbest = the one with the most chance of working lol23:22
popeyyeah, boot from ISO, resize down your windows partition, maybe 50/50 split or whatever and you're sorted23:23
popeypretty robust these days23:23
* popey goes to bed23:23
popeynn and have fun labcoattech23:23
labcoattechthanks23:23
popeyoo, he/she lives near MooDoo23:24

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