[07:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:57] <AlanBell> morning
[08:01] <DJones> Morning all
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning and good day. Off to do some Ubuntu and vtiger upgrades
[08:42] <popey> Morning all
[09:18] <oimon> check out the drummer in this vid...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ItZyaOlrb7E#!
[09:18] <oimon> first minute is a bit slow
[09:20] <DJones> If that band had had a Australian flag instead of a US one, I'd have thought that was my cousin
[09:21] <oimon> that whole flag thing is so alien to us brits
[09:21] <oimon> i hear they even put them up in church too
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Americans put everything in church
[09:24] <mattt> that video is funny :)
[09:24] <popey> Yo dawg! I hear you like churches..
[09:24] <oimon> in other news , super meat boy is part of the jumble bundle :)
[09:36] <gordonjcp> ~.
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning, everyone! :)
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: your ssh session is still alive :)
[09:39] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: it hass d gone  bit broken
[09:39] <gordonjcp> *had
[09:40] <gordonjcp> warrington, y u no have hsdpa coerage?
[09:46] <DJones> gordonjcp: Its Warrington.. Enough said :)
[09:46] <DJones> I live about 10-15 minutes away from there
[10:07] <andylockran> anyone know much about snmp internals in HP Printers?
[10:08] <andylockran> I'm getting 'Toner Low ("Ready")' returned, but according to the Web GUI the toner is 79% full.
[10:09] <dwatkins> Perhaps that's what it defines as 'low'.
[10:09] <dwatkins> andylockran: does it have a http front-end?
[10:10] <andylockran> yeah, that's where I'm seeing the 79% full
[10:10] <Myrtti> morning (UTG)!
[10:11] <andylockran> dwatkins: same model of printer 4200 same snmp settings returns 'Printer Ready - OK'
[10:11] <andylockran> and that has 21% toner left
[10:11] <awilkins> My Samsung returns the low toner (specifically "Marker supply missing") error if any of the colour toners is low
[10:11] <andylockran> awilkins: this is a black printer
[10:12] <andylockran> wahey - 'clear maintenance message' :D
[10:13] <dogmatic69> how can i lsof for a particular user?
[10:16] <awilkins> Do an lsof and grep on their username?
[10:17] <andylockran> lsof -uawilkins
[10:17] <dogmatic69> clearly my grep skills are lacking, would it just be lsof | grep foobar
[10:18] <awilkins> What andylockran said also
[10:18] <awilkins> But yes, that's how you would do it with grep
[10:18] <dogmatic69> andylockran: thanks, that works
[10:18] <awilkins> cat grabflash
[10:18] <awilkins> Ooops
[10:18] <awilkins> Just wondering how my "grab flash video" script does it
[10:19] <awilkins> Flash player used to cache video in /tmp but it creates a file in temp, opens it, then deletes it now
[10:19] <awilkins> You can still copy it from it's kernel file handle
[10:44] <selinuxium> Erm... Anyone good at filing bugs about? Got one and I am not sure what to do with it..
[10:44] <andylockran> selinuxium: hit me
[10:44] <selinuxium> Take a look at    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/787918/Screenshot%20at%202011-12-14%2010_40_33.png
[10:45] <andylockran> ooh
[10:45] <andylockran> ok
[10:45] <popey> selinuxium: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[10:45] <selinuxium> Look at the top left... Install Ubuntu 11.10 yeah? Well now look at the installation types...
[10:46] <dwatkins> so it's missing the text?
[10:46] <selinuxium> No it is saying to upgrade to 11.04
[10:46] <selinuxium> not 11.10
[10:46] <selinuxium> Confused the hell out of me..
[10:46] <dwatkins> It says Upgrade to <nothing>
[10:46] <popey> no it isnt
[10:46] <selinuxium> Doh...
[10:46] <popey> re-read it
[10:47] <selinuxium> I read that entirely wrong..
[10:47] <popey> till wrong though
[10:47] <selinuxium> The top one shouldn't be re-install..
[10:48] <popey> no.. it says "Upgrade 11.04 to" it should say "Upgrade 11.04 to 11.10"
[10:48] <selinuxium> I read it wrong as I already did this and the text was different.. I believe anyway..
[10:48] <popey> 10:45:53 < popey> selinuxium: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[10:50] <selinuxium> popey, yes, but I want to Erase Ubuntu and install 11.10... I will raise the bug...
[10:50] <andylockran> so it's the 11.10 disk in there?
[10:51] <selinuxium> andylockran: yes that is why it says install Ubuntu 11.10 in the top left.
[10:51] <popey> selinuxium: use 'something else' and manually pick the partition to install on then
[10:53] <Laney> brrrrr
[10:53] <Laney> the office is freezing this morning
[10:57] <andylockran> Office always freezes for me :p
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[10:57] <selinuxium> popey, How could a 11.10 install disk reinstall 11.04... :)  I am sure that this reads differently normally...
[10:58] <andylockran> selinuxium: you definitely put an 11.10 disk in there??
[10:58] <popey> dude
[10:58] <popey> re-read what you type
[10:58] <popey> 10:50:22 < selinuxium> popey, yes, but I want to Erase Ubuntu and install 11.10... I will raise the bug...
[10:58] <popey> 10:51:46 < popey> selinuxium: use 'something else' and manually pick the partition to install on then
[10:58] <popey> 10:57:50 < selinuxium> popey, How could a 11.10 install disk reinstall 11.04... :)  I am sure that this reads differently normally...
[10:58] <selinuxium> popey, I am raising the bug  :)
[10:58] <popey> you said you wanted to install 11.10
[10:59] <selinuxium> popey: I do, the top selection says it will reinstall 11.04...
[10:59] <popey> yes, a bug
[10:59] <selinuxium> popey, or it at least infers that
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <dogmatic69> anyone know of free / cheap email service for sending / receiving
[11:05] <davmor2> dogmatic69: you're ISP's?
[11:05]  * Laney shelters underneath andylockran 
[11:05] <dogmatic69> davmor2: dont think so
[11:07] <selinuxium> Submitted. #904196
[11:08] <davmor2> dogmatic69: why not you asked for free or cheap that is ;)
[11:09] <davmor2> dogmatic69: gmail, msn, yahoo?
[11:09] <dogmatic69> davmor2: got sky at home and its in the mrs name, so too much hassle
[11:09] <dogmatic69> ill look at google apps
[11:10] <mistertim_> Hi there all -would anyone be able to advise me on a slightly mysterious xorg problem I'm having? After running an apt-get upgrade yesterday, my machine's refused to load the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver. I'm using the xorg-edgers PPA, but removing this and downgrading hasn't helped either.
[11:11] <DJones> Grr, When you ask your ISP to regrade your service & the issue a new annual invoice, why don't they send out the credit note to cover the overlap period at the same time
[11:14] <AlanBell> mistertim_: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-x
[11:15] <mistertim_> AlanBell: aah, thanks very much, will do!
[11:19] <andylockran> Laney: ?
[11:20] <Laney> don't mind me
[11:20] <andylockran> can you get out from under me; I'm scared on treading on you
[11:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:22]  * Laney clings to andylockran's legs
[11:22] <Laney> on an unrelated note, can I alter the sharing settings of previous G+ posts?
[11:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod morning chuck
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> Laney: only by re-posting, or clicking "share" on the original one
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> Laney: figured that one out yesterday
[11:27] <Laney> k
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> Laney: posted the Secret Santa thing incorrectly? :)
[11:27] <Laney> no, I just wanted to add another circle to a post I made before
[11:28]  * MartijnVdS adds Laney to a circle
[11:28] <Laney> stupid inverted sharing model
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> Laney: apply for job at google, fix bug, quit.
[11:29] <Laney> i /did/ get recruiter spammed yesterday
[11:29] <Laney> but it's more a design decision than a bug sadly
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> Laney: infiltrate design team, fix decision, quit?
[11:33] <Laney> ON IT!
[11:34] <andylockran> :p
[11:44] <danfish> oooh - lunchtime meeting. Good idea
[11:44] <danfish> (ubuntu-uk I mean)
[12:03] <awilkins> We have a lunchtime educational meeting. On Orang-utans.
[12:05] <brobostigon> interesting,
[12:05] <awilkins> Happily this is optional
[12:05] <awilkins> I can summarize it in a few words, - orang-utans are cute, and awesome, and endangered, giz some cash?
[12:05] <dwatkins> Make sure to look for the gorilla.
[12:06] <awilkins> Meanwhile I struggle with the PAIN of Swing UI
[12:06] <awilkins> Swing developers SUFFER every day, what would you contribute to alleviate their plight?
[12:45] <daubers> AlanBell: Where you going to mention the twinning thing at the meeting?
[12:48] <AlanBell> dunno, no details yet
[12:49] <daubers> ok
[12:52] <daubers> Weeeeee
[12:53] <daubers> Now got some tools in the workshop telling me when they're finished using MQTT and pynotify
[12:56] <DJones> Different, the new google chrome stable release allows "multiple users"
[13:02] <popey> finally
[13:17] <daubers> So..... if I want bzr to do something when a push is made to the central source, is there a way to deal with that centrally? Preferably from bzr (not mashing around with inotify)
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> daubers: like commit/push hooks?
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> daubers: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/hooks.html
[13:18] <daubers> ah! There are server side hooks! Was reading some stuff which suggested there aren't
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I don't know if there are
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> I'm just googling the first thing that comes to mind :)
[13:20] <daubers> ah, that needs a "smart server" and I have no idea what that is :)
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> daubers: that's a bzr running on the server end
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> daubers: not just sshd
[13:21] <daubers> yeah, we use sftp I think.....
[13:21] <daubers> will have a look into it
[15:39]  * AlanBell is excited about a new kernel in -proposed \o/
[15:39] <brobostigon> why?
[15:39] <AlanBell> fixes the VGA port on core i3 chipset laptops
[15:39] <brobostigon> ah.
[15:43] <DJones> AlanBell: There was a problem with the port ? That would probably explain why my wife couldn't get her laptop to work with a projector
[15:44] <jutnux> \o everybody
[15:47] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[15:49] <gord> hurrah, finally found the turn off priority inbox setting in gmail, that thing is annoying
[15:51] <jutnux> \o everybody
[16:06] <DJones> \o/ Extra bank holiday in 2012 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8441972.stm 4 day weekend here we come :)
[16:06] <bigcalm> It's been known about for a long time. Why are the BBC talking about it now?
[16:06]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski who seems to be oddly quiet today
[16:06] <jutnux> Is this the royal wedding thing?
[16:07] <DJones> Not sure, I didn't know, but the article is dated June 2010
[16:07]  * jutnux looks at Article
[16:07] <bigcalm> No, that has already happened
[16:07] <Laney> it just got raised up the top articles
[16:07] <jutnux> I know bigcalm, but I thought there was always goiung to be a bank holiday from that?
[16:07] <DJones> Queens Daimond Jubilee celebration
[16:07] <bigcalm> No, just a one off for the wedding
[16:07] <jutnux> Just read it, woo.
[16:07] <bigcalm> And now a one off for the jubilee
[16:08] <hamitron> who can not like the Royal Family, when we get days off? ;)
[16:10] <gord> because without them, we could pool all the days off into one glorious week off
[16:12] <hamitron> hmmm
[16:12]  * hamitron likes long weekends
[16:12] <hamitron> :D
[16:12] <hamitron> well, apart from all the traffic
[16:12] <hamitron> because of all the fools on the road
[16:12] <hamitron> :/
[16:12] <gord> like you? ;)
[16:12] <hamitron> no
[16:13] <hamitron> I'd just ban cars
[16:13] <hamitron> ;)
[16:13] <hamitron> not biased in ANY way
[16:13] <oimon> what's the big idea with people on amazon charging £87 for books that are usually 7.99?
[16:14] <hamitron> profit?
[16:14] <hamitron> :/
[16:14] <oimon> surely nobody's gonna buy?
[16:14] <gord> oimon, auto matching? seen that happen before, books would rise to millions in a few hours because two competing companies had a price matching algorithm that ended up in competition
[16:14] <davmor2> oimon: you'll be surprised
[16:15] <hamitron> I've been tempted to pay over the odds for a few books
[16:15] <hamitron> been lucky, found a nice 2nd hand copy of one I wanted
[16:15] <oimon> the 2nd hand copy is 0.01
[16:15] <hamitron> another I just refuse to spend as much as it costs
[16:16] <davmor2> oimon: depends if it is a first edition etc too there are some mad ass collectors of books out there
[16:16] <hamitron> new is nice though
[16:16] <hamitron> :)
[16:16] <oimon> it's just a regular book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marriage-Book-Nicky-Sila-Lee/dp/1904074553
[16:17] <hamitron> maybe if a couple used that version of the book, and they are very happy.... just want a copy for sentimental reasons? ;)
[16:18] <hamitron> after having maybe lost their copy in a fire
[16:18]  * hamitron shrugs
[16:18] <oimon> a lot of the seller's prices seem to be sky high
[16:19] <hamitron> tbh, I swear people are getting more greedy when selling things
[16:20] <hamitron> then expect better deals when they are buying
[16:20] <DJones> Speaking of books, I didn't know that e-books were charged vat at 20% while the paper copy of the same book would be at 0%
[16:20] <oimon> yep
[16:21] <DJones> I only found out yesterday because there was something on the BBC website about a ministers answer in teh commons
[16:21] <oimon> the govt could do something about it, but frankly the publishers are profiteering atm anyway
[16:22] <hamitron> I hope it stays that way tbh
[16:22] <oimon> if the govt removed vat then i bet the prices would float towards the current level
[16:22] <hamitron> I'd hate to see ebooks replace books
[16:22] <oimon> i've no more room for my books anymore
[16:22] <hamitron> that is a problem, yeh :)
[16:23] <hamitron> and I agree ebooks are good
[16:23] <oimon> it's weird..some books i have in paper form but i don't read them. if i get them in ebook form  i read them
[16:23] <hamitron> but.... not good if new books start to be available electronically only.... doesn't make them as available to all
[16:24] <oimon> starting a book if off-putting in paper format..cos you can see much much left to read
[16:24] <hamitron> haha, yeh
[16:24] <hamitron> :LD
[16:24] <hamitron> :D
[16:25] <hamitron> but just think.... you can't slam a kindle around, to the same affect as a 1200 page book
[16:25] <hamitron> ;)
[16:25] <oimon> i treat my books as if they were a kindle :)
[16:25] <oimon> i get upset when people turn over the corners
[16:25] <hamitron> same
[16:26] <hamitron> but just putting it on the desk, making it shake, can reduce the number of people "bugging" ya
[16:26] <hamitron> :)
[16:26] <funkyHat> LjL: impostor!
[16:26] <DJones> hamitron: Unless your Geoff Capes, most people can't slamm a 1200 page book round anyway :)
[16:26] <hamitron> erm?
[16:31] <hamitron> oimon, I think ideally, ebooks could be provided for free, when you buy a hard copy.... then offer discount for electronic only?
[16:31] <oimon> yep
[16:33] <hamitron> but just an idea.... are ebooks expensive atm, to subsidise the cheaper ebook readers?
[16:34] <LjL> funkyHat: WUT
[16:34] <oimon> hamitron: apparently it's the publishers who are calling the prices
[16:34] <hamitron> ah
[16:34] <oimon> and us mugs who are paying
[16:34] <hamitron> only reason i can see, is so they don't lose sales of the ard copies
[16:34] <hamitron> hard*
[16:34] <oimon> my mrs just bought some ebooks of paper books that she owns already :S
[16:35] <hamitron> :/
[16:35] <funkyHat> LjL: just because your English is better than most Brits doesn't mean you can... oh, wait... maybe it does.
[16:35] <oimon> she is dyslexic and the kindle background makes reading easier (and the font size)
[16:35] <hamitron> I have downloaded a few PDF files of books I already own from torrent sites tbh
[16:36] <hamitron> but I don't have a portible electronic device to read them, so rarely need such stuff
[16:37] <oimon> i could probably rationalise it, but it's still forbidden , presenting an ethical dilemma
[16:37] <LjL> funkyHat: Sorry my dear chap, I'd be delighted to continue entertaining this lovely conversation with you, but Elizabeth is expecting me for the afternoon tea.
[16:38] <funkyHat> ❡⢁D
[16:40] <bigcalm> That is quite a funky hat
[16:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: bit too much of the xmas spirit though look at his eyes
[16:43] <mgdm> funkyHat: what Unicode is the character for the eyes? :)
[16:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: I did think they were a little squiffy
[16:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: now that you're here, shall we set a date for Wolverhampton next month?
[16:44] <davmor2> gord: when you back from the sprint?
[16:45] <gord> davmor2, 13th i think
[16:45] <funkyHat> mgdm: a sekrit!
[16:45] <mgdm> :(
[16:46] <funkyHat> (should I tell him that gucharmap has a search feature?)
[16:46] <davmor2> mgdm: to find out use python ;)  x=u'⢁'  and then x
[16:46] <mgdm> ⢁D
[16:47] <funkyHat> THEIF
[16:47] <mgdm> davmor2: ah, gucharmap got there first
[16:47] <bigcalm> That's making my eyes go squiffy
[16:47] <davmor2> gord, bigcalm: shall we say the 26th?  or is that too late in the month?
[16:47] <gord> davmor2, sounds fine to me
[16:48] <bigcalm> davmor2: doesn't matter when in the month for me :)
[16:48] <bigcalm> Let me see what my diary says
[16:48] <bigcalm> works for me :)
[16:50] <davmor2> bigcalm, gord: okay pencil it in then and I'll let the others know at the lug tonight and then start hitting the Mailing lists
[16:55] <monsterwizard> is anyone here a system's programmer?
[16:55] <mgdm> why...?
[16:55] <monsterwizard> or someone who is involved in 'programming electronics'
[16:55] <mgdm> I fiddle with Arduinos a bit, does that count?
[16:55] <monsterwizard> I want to know how to get a job similar to them
[16:55] <monsterwizard> erm
[16:55] <monsterwizard> not really
[16:56] <monsterwizard> but I suppose it can in ways
[17:00] <christel> AlanBell: what's happening tonight? is it on? off? :)
[17:04] <Myrtti> onoffonoffonoff
[17:04] <Myrtti> *clickclickclickclickclickclick*
[17:06] <bigcalm> Anybody here migrated a cakephp 1.1 project to cakephp 1.2?
[17:28] <cliftonts> I'm going slightly mad here! I've got an open university assignment due in tomorrow but libre office is determined I should fail! Does anyone know how to calculate mean, median and standard deviation using built in tools?
[17:30] <cliftonts> anyone?
[17:31] <monsterwizard> I'd go to #math if I were you
[17:31] <gord> cliftonts, http://easycalculation.com/statistics/standard-deviation.php ?
[17:32] <cliftonts> gord: thanks but the whole point of the question in the assignment is to make office to the calculation
[17:34] <popey> there is a link at the bottom which tells you how to arrive at the answer
[17:34] <popey> you can plug that into libreoffice
[17:34] <popey> http://easycalculation.com/statistics/learn-standard-deviation.php
[17:34] <gord> assuming you are using calc, it comes with functions to do also, STDEV for example http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Statistical_Functions_Part_Five#STDEVA
[17:35] <cliftonts> I'm not 100% sure they'll accept that. But it's got to be better than what I've got in there at the moment - 'I don't know!'
[17:36] <cliftonts> I tried reading those help files but they weren't making a great deal of sense. I'm sure I'll get there
[17:36] <cliftonts> will those functions also work in ms office?
[17:37] <gord> i've no idea about ms office
[17:37] <popey> *blank* *look*
[17:37] <cliftonts> that could be interesting then. I have no idea what package the marker will be running
[17:37] <cliftonts> perhaps considering the nature of modern computing it's a rather poorly designed question
[17:38] <gord> include a link to libre office in your assignment, note that its free ;)
[17:38] <cliftonts> lol that definately won't work
[17:38] <Darael> Just add a note at the top:  "This spreadsheet was made in LibreOffice and works in that; I'm not sure about MS Office, sorry"?  Presumably won't get it marked correct if they can't make it work but will at least explain what's going on.
[17:39] <cliftonts> anyway I've got less than 2 hours to crack this so I'd better get on. Thanks for your help
[17:44] <directhex> note: recent versions of office can read .ods files
[17:44] <directhex> although absolute basics like STDEV should be fine in OOcalc's efforts to write a .xls file
[17:44] <Darael> Yes, but they don't read formulae - the standard doesn't specify how they're stored so the MS implementation is incompatible with everyone else's.  'Least, that's how it was last time I looked.
[17:45] <directhex> no promises on .xlsx - bit systems supporting xlsx should also support ods
[17:48] <Darael> Took a bit of searching, but it appears the formula problem remains in Office 2010: http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/office2010/thread/a51bfdec-82d8-4405-a29c-1cae686443d0
[18:02] <AlanBell> o/ gordonjcp
[18:02] <mgdm> ello
[18:07] <jutnux> o/
[18:18] <AlanBell> christel: I am still up for it, waiting to hear from gordonjcp
[18:26] <christel> AlanBell: cool! let me know when you hear from him :)
[18:31] <monsterwizard> I need an IBM compuer
[18:31] <monsterwizard> computer*
[18:31] <mgdm> why?
[18:31] <monsterwizard> because they're cool :(
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> monsterwizard: the old IBM PC original one?
[18:32] <AlanBell> O.o
[18:32]  * mgdm is typing this on a Thinkpad
[18:32] <mgdm> does that count? :)
[18:32] <popey> I still want a VT100 ☹
[18:32] <monsterwizard> naaaahhhhhh that doesn't count
[18:35] <monsterwizard> I guess no one has one for sale
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: they don't do UTF-8 though
[18:42] <popey> yeah, that's an issue ☺
[19:50] <ali1234> popey: you should get a SAA5050 and a AVR and build your own VT
[19:51] <popey> heh
[19:51] <popey> I really honestly specifically want a VT100
[19:51] <ali1234> why though
[19:51] <popey> fond memories of college
[19:52] <ali1234> i didn't think you were that much older than me
[19:52] <ali1234> my college had pentiums
[19:52] <popey> I am 39
[19:53] <brobostigon> eeek, popey is ten years older than him.
[19:53] <popey> When I was at college we had a VAX and a Pr1me
[19:53] <popey> VT100's and some proprietary Pr1me terminal
[19:53] <ali1234> hmm
[19:53] <ali1234> that's about right actually
[19:53] <brobostigon> me*
[19:54] <ali1234> if it just me or was the prgress made in computing between 1980 and 1990 a lot bigger than everything that has happened since?
[19:54] <popey> feels that way
[19:54] <brobostigon> eeek, popey is ten years older than me.
[19:54] <brobostigon> correction*
[19:55] <popey> I really loved the coily keyboard lead on the VT100
[19:55] <popey> and the smell when you turn it on
[19:55] <brobostigon> i like the keyboard on my thinkpad.
[19:58] <ali1234> who saw that femto-second article? that's the most amazing thing i've seen in the past few years i think
[19:58] <ali1234> femto-photography that is
[19:58] <AlanBell> yeah, very cool
[19:58] <AlanBell> not convinced it is described well by the media
[19:59] <popey> ali1234: nope
[19:59] <popey> link?
[20:00] <ali1234> http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/
[20:01] <bigcalm> popey: how do you get the new version of spotify on linux? My client hasn't had any updates
[20:01] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKu20y1f_RU&feature=g-like
[20:03] <AlanBell> wonder if they have done a double slit experiment with that going on
[20:05] <bigcalm> Annoying
[20:09] <gord> i'm still not sure whats happening in that camera, how everyone else describes it (repeat the same light pulse, record a frame at different incriments) isn't how i understand it, namely that they have a kind of electron mirror, which they are able to change the angle of reflection of extreamly fast, letting them scan the image over a long series of sensors. the repeat imaging is only there to allow them to capture 2d images instead of 1d images
[20:09] <ali1234> nope
[20:10] <ali1234> it takes an hour to record one of the videos
[20:11] <AlanBell> what the media interpretations of it don't get is that the camera is not "looking at the photons travelling" the camera is getting the reflected light that has hit something (dust or an object) and bounced back to the camera lens
[20:12] <ali1234> the second link explains how the camera works (it's actually a standard piece of kit repurposed)
[20:12] <gord> well then my idea is better, someone give me a grant
[20:13] <ali1234> well that's kind of how it works
[20:13] <ali1234> but the "electron mirror" is how they separate the photons over time
[20:13] <ali1234> so you get a 2d image, where one of the dimensions is time
[20:14] <ali1234> then you repeat it using a normal mirror to capture different scanlines of the scene
[20:14] <ali1234> repeating it lots of times is what takes an hour
[20:15] <AlanBell> real world ray tracing
[20:16] <gord> a regular camera is "real world ray tracing" ;)
[20:16] <ali1234> yes
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> lot less CPU-intensive
[20:16] <AlanBell> it isn't ray tracing if it takes less than an hour :)
[20:16] <bigcalm> Haha
[20:17] <ali1234> one of the applications of this is in improving ray tracers, because you can actually analyse object's transparency/subsurface scattering rather than just guessing
[20:17] <gord> i've seen real time ray traces before, its nerd porn
[20:17] <Darael> http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKu20y1f_RU
[20:18] <Darael> Whoops, my apologies.
[20:18] <ali1234> ray marching is cool
[20:18] <Darael> That's what I get when I forget what irssi window I'm in.
[20:18] <ali1234> it's amusing how it ends up looking like a CCD when there's not enough light
[21:03] <Lcawte> Hmm, ubuntu server installed, grub launches on this machine, move it to its real machine (because it doesn't like live cds) and it doesn't work anymore... it was working before do-release-upgrade broke its grub (which is why I brought it up here to fix)
[21:04] <Lcawte> Anyone have any idea whats going on, and how I can fix it?
[21:14] <tonytiger> I'm not sure what your set up is
[21:14] <tonytiger> You have installed ubuntu server on some hardware but it's not booting?
[21:15] <Lcawte> Well, it gets to BIOS then thats it, it just hangs... (boot from CD: is the last thing I see (bios boot priorities, floopy -> cd -> hard disk)
[21:21] <xr1> Can you sync google docs with Ubuntu one?
[21:27] <AlanBell> hmm, somthing very wrong with the internet? I have stuff on and off all over the place?
[21:28] <jutnux> YES, Ubuntu mugs back in stock.
[21:28] <jutnux> Shame I'm waiting for PayPal to clear some money.
[21:29]  * hamitron orders all the mugs
[21:29] <hamitron> ;)
[21:30] <jutnux> You dare :-(
[21:34] <safiyyah> hi guys , my sound stopped working
[21:34] <safiyyah> completely!
[21:34] <safiyyah> worked fine for the last 3 months! no upgrade done... it was working at 7:30pm and now it is not.... I have rebooted and no luck
[21:42] <safiyyah> anyone please?
[21:42] <Darael> !patience | safiyyah
[21:42] <AlanBell> !audio
[21:42] <Darael> May I also suggest asking in #ubuntu?  There's a lot more people in there and they may be able to offer a faster response.
[21:43] <safiyyah> thank you
[22:14] <awilkins> Bah, social obligations. I'm knackered.
[22:21]  * gordonjcp is knackered too
[22:21] <gordonjcp> busy day, lot of driving and a lot of humphing boxes about
[22:22] <awilkins> Ugh Christmas coming up too.
[22:22] <jutnux> You no likey Christmas?
[22:23] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:23] <awilkins> Putting up with the inlaws and driving 500 miles in e days? not so much.
[22:23] <jutnux> \o brobostigon
[22:23] <brobostigon> o/ jutnux
[22:23] <jutnux> Haha, I just have the grandparents round.
[22:24] <awilkins> What's worse is people jollying you along. "Oh, you *have* to enjoy yourself, it's CHRISTMAS"
[22:24] <jutnux> I guess driving isn't so fun.
[22:24] <Darael> Oh, quite.  Utterly infuriating.
[22:24] <jutnux> Neither is being round the inlaws.
[22:26] <jutnux> What are your favourite "holidays" then?
[22:26] <awilkins> I'm going to find a spa resort that has a ban on Christmas and pretend I've donated m Christmas week to Geeks Sans Frontiers or something.
[22:27] <awilkins> "Oh, darling, they NEED a new version control infrastructure for the CHILDREN."
[22:27] <jutnux> Twitter, Y U BE DOWN
[22:28] <awilkins> Holidays.... best holiday is when wifelet goes on holiday and leaves me at home
[22:30] <bigcalm> Awww
[22:32] <jacobw> wifelet?
[22:33] <awilkins> Small wife.
[22:34] <jacobw> lol, do you have many sizes of wife?
[22:34] <jacobw> or just 'small wife'
[22:34] <awilkins> Just the one
[22:59] <labcoattech> hi
[23:02] <labcoattech> any known issues with running x64 version of ubuntu over x32, I have 4gb ram in my machine
[23:04] <gord> labcoattech, what do you mean "over"?
[23:04] <labcoattech> is it better to
[23:06] <labcoattech> I am running win 7 with 4gb ram and want to dual boot with ubuntu, the ubuntu download page says 32-bit recommended
[23:07] <Darael> Oh, that.  That's just because it's marginally more widely-compatible (because there are still some machines around that aren't 64-bit capable).
[23:07] <labcoattech> ok, thanks
[23:09] <Darael> Historically, Flash was less stable on x86-64 because it had to use a wrapper, but Adobe have since released 64-bit Flash Player for Linux, which I believe is what the flashplugin-installer uses on 64-bit now.
[23:09] <Darael> !64bit
[23:10] <popey> labcoattech: all my machines run 64-bit Ubuntu.
[23:10] <popey> not all have lots of RAM, but I run 64-bit anyway on all of them
[23:10] <Darael> To quote the page linked, labcoattech: "Which Should I Choose?: Unless you have specific reasons to choose 32-bit, we recommend 64-bit to utilise the full capacity of your hardware. "
[23:11] <labcoattech> cool, thanks
[23:11] <Darael> Hmm, that page needs an update to reflect that MultiArch is enabled from Oneiric.
[23:22] <labcoattech> whats the best way to install ubuntu as dual boot, boot from the .iso or run the installer from windows?
[23:22] <popey> the former
[23:22] <popey> for some definition of 'best' ☺
[23:22] <labcoattech> best = the one with the most chance of working lol
[23:23] <popey> yeah, boot from ISO, resize down your windows partition, maybe 50/50 split or whatever and you're sorted
[23:23] <popey> pretty robust these days
[23:23]  * popey goes to bed
[23:23] <popey> nn and have fun labcoattech
[23:23] <labcoattech> thanks
[23:24] <popey> oo, he/she lives near MooDoo