| snap-l | Hah | 00:28 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h__ | how we doing? | 01:12 |
| Blazeix | it was a little rough during the iwconfig talk, but doing fine now :) | 01:13 |
| rick_h__ | bah, ok...maybe now I can stay in irc again | 01:13 |
| greg-g | typing on IRC with Rowan in my lap, two handed typing even on an old KeyTronic loudy clickity keyboard, he likes it, of course :) | 01:15 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: hah, good stuff | 01:17 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: you guys home already? | 01:17 |
| greg-g | rick_h__: yep, we were only in the hospital for about 26ish hours | 01:29 |
| greg-g | long story short: Carrie was kind of in labor on Friday, but it stopped. Then saturday she felt kind of crampy, no big deal, still went grocery shopping and picked up her mom/sis from airport. Went to be that night, then... | 01:30 |
| rick_h__ | greg-g: wow, good stuff | 01:30 |
| greg-g | around 2am I realize she's in real labor when she says "don't touch me" :) | 01:30 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 01:30 |
| greg-g | she goes into the bathroom, hot bathtub, space heater, dark and all that. I join her for a while but she really just wanted to be alone. | 01:31 |
| greg-g | We couldn't time the time between contractions, we were going to head to the hospital at 4 minutes apart, but, that didn't happen | 01:32 |
| greg-g | we tried to get her to get in the car to go around 7am, but she was having none of the idea, too painful | 01:32 |
| greg-g | then at 8:14 we called 911, 8:16 Rowan was birthed into my hands in the tub, 8:16:30 emts arrived to help with the aftermath :) | 01:33 |
| greg-g | hosital to get checked out and all that, then monday around noon we headed home | 01:34 |
| _stink_ | oh wow | 01:53 |
| _stink_ | greg-g: quite a story to tell for the rest of your life :) | 01:53 |
| _stink_ | i think there's a certificate you get for delivering your own kid | 01:54 |
| greg-g | :) | 01:55 |
| greg-g | yeah, bill from the ambulance ride to the hospital ;) | 01:55 |
| _stink_ | frame it! | 01:59 |
| jjesse | evening | 02:02 |
| jrwren | bookie 502 error make me cry | 03:28 |
| jrwren | greg-g: awe! you got to catch! that is so awesome! | 03:29 |
| jrwren | i wish I would have asked to catch. | 03:29 |
| jrwren | greg-g: congrats! | 03:29 |
| jjesse | wow i didn't want to catch | 03:29 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Bookie is down ATM because of server problems. | 03:45 |
| snap-l | see scrollback. | 03:45 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That sounds so perfectly greg-g. :) | 03:45 |
| snap-l | Seriously | 03:46 |
| rick_h__ | jrwren: working on it, hopefully have stuff back up CHC tomorrow, but might not be until friday | 04:05 |
| rick_h__ | disk goes boom and ec2 instances are getting setup | 04:05 |
| snap-l | Anything we can do to help out? | 04:06 |
| rick_h__ | jrwren: there are twice daily backups so everything should be good stuff | 04:06 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: no, just time and with no vacation days and the boys birthday party this weekend time is a bit light | 04:06 |
| rick_h__ | I'm out for the night, party on | 04:07 |
| snap-l | Laterness | 04:07 |
| rick_h__ | morning party people | 12:43 |
| brousch | well that's good to see. the party is back! | 12:49 |
| brousch | ooooh, you have a google tech group over there now: "Looking for speakers on Google App Engine or other Google Cloud technologies interested in presenting to the newly formed Detroit GTUG." | 12:52 |
| rick_h__ | heh, hadn't heard of it | 12:53 |
| brousch | came in vie the @detroitcloud twitter account | 12:58 |
| Wolfger | morning | 13:27 |
| Wolfger | GTUG? Google Tech Users Group? | 13:28 |
| Wolfger | Greater Toledo Users Group? | 13:28 |
| Wolfger | Good Thing Unicorns Gallop? | 13:29 |
| brousch | I'm coming around to this viewpoint http://goo.gl/5aijh | 13:36 |
| snap-l | brousch: Perhaps, but KDE makes me need to think more about my desktop environment than GNOME | 13:41 |
| snap-l | and by think, I mean fiddle | 13:42 |
| brousch | i haven't really fiddled with it since i set it up last week | 13:42 |
| brousch | now things are where i want them and the colors don't hurt my eyes | 13:43 |
| rick_h__ | heh | 13:50 |
| rick_h__ | though in this case i'd say go get shutter and forget about it | 13:50 |
| brousch | hadn't heard of shutter | 13:52 |
| rick_h__ | awesome screenshot tool ftw | 13:52 |
| brousch | but a featureful screenshot program is one thing i missed from osx | 13:52 |
| brousch | ksnapshot looks good | 13:52 |
| rick_h__ | except for that k up front :P | 13:53 |
| jjesse | i've used ksnapsthot | 13:53 |
| jjesse | its great | 13:53 |
| brousch | odd, i already had shutter installed | 13:54 |
| rick_h__ | heh, guess you've heard of it then | 13:54 |
| rick_h__ | it's not a default ootb | 13:54 |
| brousch | it has perl plugins. this can't be good | 13:55 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 13:57 |
| Wolfger | perl plugins? Woot! | 13:58 |
| Wolfger | ROFL @brousch's link: "Even Debian SID has an ancient version of KDE4 - 4.6.x - this is missing over 12000 bugfixes that made it into KDE 4.7.x" | 14:00 |
| Wolfger | I did not realize "one version ago" == "ancient" | 14:00 |
| brousch | yeah, but 12,000 bugfixes is a lot | 14:04 |
| Wolfger | I am not surprised there were that many to be fixed, but I am surprised they fixed that many. | 14:05 |
| Wolfger | maybe it's finally as good as 3.x was? | 14:05 |
| Wolfger | If my Ocelot would boot, I could find out... :-P | 14:06 |
| brousch | i haven't run into any problems | 14:06 |
| brousch | i'm still fuzzy about this nepomuk thing | 14:07 |
| snap-l | I have NFC what a nepomuk is | 14:08 |
| snap-l | Is that what the kids are playing with over webkins? | 14:08 |
| brousch | like beagle i think | 14:08 |
| brousch | indexer | 14:08 |
| snap-l | Oh, so it's a "why is my computer so fucking slow" inducer | 14:08 |
| brousch | it seems well-behaved | 14:09 |
| brousch | i can adjust how much ram it can use | 14:09 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 14:12 |
| rick_h__ | poor beagle, good idea but wonder whatever happened to it | 14:12 |
| brousch | there is some other one out now but i can't remember the name | 14:12 |
| snap-l | Tracker | 14:14 |
| snap-l | ? | 14:14 |
| snap-l | NFC, I try to turn that off as quickly as possible. | 14:15 |
| snap-l | Don't need my machine thrashing about trying to poorly index files on keywords I don't use. | 14:15 |
| brousch | i figured i'd give it a try | 14:16 |
| rick_h__ | smoser: https://gist.github.com/1356355 is kind of what I was talking about | 14:20 |
| rick_h__ | smoser: looks like no pull request feature, but the comments/change history and ability to fork it seem like what they were using | 14:21 |
| rick_h__ | smoser: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2011/11/28/yui-open-hours-thurs-dec-1st/ for the post they put up with the links to the discussions | 14:21 |
| Wolfger | brousch: snap-l: Nepomuk is "semantic computing" Whatever-TF that means... | 14:28 |
| Wolfger | the gist of it that I've been able to suss out is that it allows you to search your computer for things better. | 14:29 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_computing | 14:30 |
| brousch | how do i search? | 14:31 |
| Wolfger | Like say you have an MP3 file of a Metallica song, a picture of cover art from the album, a picture of you and your wife at a Metallica concert, and a HTML file of you blogging about the group.... and Nepomuk magically finds all these very different things when you search "Metallica". | 14:31 |
| brousch | but how do i search? | 14:31 |
| Wolfger | From my perspective, though, "semantic computing" means "resource hog" and I shut the damned thing off | 14:32 |
| Wolfger | so I can't answer the "how do I search?" question :-) | 14:32 |
| brousch | where's jjesse? he wrote the book on this thing | 14:33 |
| brousch | http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main1/Nepomuk-Eclipse | 14:34 |
| smoser | rick_h__, cool. i use gists a *lot* for storing things that are just above garbage | 14:36 |
| smoser | https://gist.github.com/smoser | 14:37 |
| smoser | ok. maybe not a *lot* but as a good place to get something off my local system. | 14:37 |
| brousch | ah, found it | 14:42 |
| brousch | ah-ha, alt+f2 brings up krunner which uses nepomuk | 14:59 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I've never used nepomuk. is that the file search thing? | 15:04 |
| ColonelPanic001 | never had use for those things. I just put docs in ~/docs, music in ~/music, code in ~/proj, etc | 15:04 |
| ColonelPanic001 | amazingly, if I want to look for a document, it's probably in ~/docs | 15:04 |
| rick_h__ | this is great, and I hate cats http://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/sets/72157628409467125/with/6508102407/ | 15:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | you... what? | 15:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | There must have been a typo somewhere | 15:10 |
| rick_h__ | I believe cats are only for real dogs to have handy snacks available | 15:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I used to think you were an okay guy, rick. | 15:11 |
| _stink_ | i love the 417 one. | 15:11 |
| rick_h__ | that's ok, it's good to shake things up once in a while | 15:11 |
| snap-l | "Ultra-Fast Booting Blu-ray Disc Player" Apparently Ubuntu is in Blu-ray players. ;) | 15:18 |
| snap-l | Caribou has $2 drinks today. | 15:19 |
| rick_h__ | ooh, knew I wanted to head up today | 15:20 |
| snap-l | You need a coupon | 15:20 |
| rick_h__ | doh | 15:22 |
| snap-l | Check PM | 15:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Rick deserves no coffee. He hates cats. | 15:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | UNFORGIVABLE. | 15:29 |
| rick_h__ | I like cats...as long as they get to be dog food | 15:29 |
| brousch | dogs > cats | 15:29 |
| rick_h__ | sometimes people forget to feed them lunch | 15:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I love dogs, too. | 15:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm going to train my cat to attack a picture of rick. | 15:30 |
| brousch | get a pair of his undies and teach it to attach the groin | 15:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | perfect | 15:32 |
| jjesse | cats suck | 15:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | you're in charge of stealing his shorts | 15:32 |
| Wolfger | dogs > cats, cats > rick_h__ | 15:32 |
| brousch | again? | 15:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | again. | 15:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | always. | 15:33 |
| Wolfger | woot. The Euro is quickly becoming as worthless as the US Dollar again. :-) That will make my next trip to Germany more pleasant. | 15:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | toll | 15:37 |
| snap-l | If they can devalue the Canadian dollar, maybe we can get our economy back with all of the Canadians buying smokes. ;) | 15:38 |
| snap-l | I <3 this company | 15:44 |
| snap-l | boss just asked me of there was a local area where I can drop off my PCs. | 15:45 |
| snap-l | Um, unless there's somewhere in the area that I'm not aware of (which isn't out of the realm of possibility, mind you), uh, no. | 15:45 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: huh? a "local area"? | 15:46 |
| rick_h__ | like a A/L office building? | 15:46 |
| snap-l | Yeah. | 15:46 |
| snap-l | Marked difference between the exit from A/L and Geeknet | 15:48 |
| rick_h__ | yea | 15:49 |
| snap-l | Geeknet, i could have dropped off in Dexter, but they sent me a UPS box to fill up | 15:49 |
| brousch | snap-l: we have comprenew | 15:56 |
| snap-l | We're with HP for IT support. | 15:57 |
| Wolfger | ye gods.... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/492/how-important-is-the-ability-to-touch-type | 17:12 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 17:13 |
| snap-l | Navelgazers R us | 17:14 |
| snap-l | personally, I don't "touch type", as much as non-looking hunt and peck. ;) | 17:14 |
| snap-l | If I ever had a typing instructor, they'd be horrified at how I keyboard. :) | 17:15 |
| Wolfger | I am/was one of the best two-finger typists I ever saw, and I'm probably a below-average touch-typist, and touch-typing definitely increases my productivity. | 17:16 |
| snap-l | Yah, but again, this is one of those questions that seems productive on the surface, but overall doesn't mean a stack of beans | 17:19 |
| Blazeix | arg, http://androidandme.com/2011/12/devices/verizon-on-galaxy-nexus-still-on-track-to-launch-this-year/ | 17:19 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: This question seems productive? I thought it seemed absurd. | 17:22 |
| Wolfger | Blazeix: lies | 17:22 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Well, it's under the guise of "I really want to know if there's some productive benefit" | 17:31 |
| snap-l | when it's essentially the same as asking if different forms of whitespace can be more productive for a compiler to parse. | 17:32 |
| snap-l | They're insignificant and noodly questions when brought up against the bigger picture. | 17:33 |
| snap-l | i.e.: Boy, he can type like a motherfucker, but he doesn't know shit about XYZ" | 17:33 |
| snap-l | vs. "This guy practically wrote XYZ, but he types like seal" | 17:34 |
| snap-l | Which is more productive? | 17:34 |
| snap-l | If your business is generating electricity via computer keyboards, then hire the typing motherfucker | 17:34 |
| snap-l | but if your business is in shipping code, then hire the XYZ expert, and expense a copy of Mavid Beacon if he/she asks for it. | 17:35 |
| snap-l | and we're done. :) | 17:35 |
| Wolfger | :-) | 17:36 |
| Wolfger | yes, but the question isn't so apples-to-oranges | 17:37 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Explain it to me, then. :) | 17:37 |
| Wolfger | It's not "should I hire a guy who knows what he's doing and can't type, or a typist who's and idiot?" | 17:37 |
| Wolfger | It's "should I be worried about learning to be a better programmer" | 17:38 |
| Wolfger | and I think the only answer to that is "duh" | 17:38 |
| Wolfger | since all programming is done via keyboard, that's a bit of a no-brainer | 17:38 |
| snap-l | Well, not exactly | 17:38 |
| snap-l | Yes, learning how to effectively use the interface is key (no pun intended) | 17:39 |
| snap-l | but that's only one piece of the puzzle | 17:39 |
| snap-l | I don't think you can point to typing and say "that's so vital to coding" | 17:39 |
| snap-l | it's vital to coding quickly. | 17:40 |
| snap-l | But remember the ALS patient who got his commit accepted into GNOME a while back | 17:40 |
| snap-l | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/04/10/1219215/als-sufferer-used-legs-to-contribute-last-patch | 17:41 |
| Wolfger | Sure. It's not impossible to code, or even be a good coder, without the ability to type efficiently. | 17:45 |
| Wolfger | But all things being equal, the ability to type efficiently is a big plus if this is what you do for a living. | 17:45 |
| Wolfger | Hell, it was a huge boost to me doing PLC logic on Allen-Bradley devices after I learned that every symbol had a mnmonic equivalency. The other guys couldn't understand how I was banging out code so quickly as they programmed via mouse :-) | 17:47 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Well, that's different indeed | 17:49 |
| snap-l | it's called learning the tool. ;) | 17:49 |
| snap-l | I'd submit that's even more important that typing speed. | 17:50 |
| Wolfger | well, I don't think it's fair to say that people who program PLC's via mouse clicks don't know the tool... That's standard for the industry. | 17:51 |
| snap-l | I would. | 17:51 |
| Wolfger | but granted, typing vs mouse is a different animal than typing vs. pecking | 17:52 |
| Wolfger | Now I have to wonder, though, is mousing better than pecking? | 17:54 |
| rick_h__ | it's all an indicator | 17:55 |
| snap-l | Post it up on p.se | 17:55 |
| rick_h__ | not cause/effect | 17:55 |
| Wolfger | Oh, look, a navel! :-) | 17:55 |
| snap-l | meanwhile, I have better things to do with my life... | 17:55 |
| snap-l | like watch the Daily Show. | 17:55 |
| snap-l | <- illusions of productivity revealed. | 17:55 |
| brousch | i type with about 4 fingers | 17:55 |
| Wolfger | Heh. I was about to say "prove it", but the Daily Show is clearly better | 17:55 |
| rick_h__ | lol OH in #launchpad-dev http://paste.mitechie.com/show/472/ | 17:57 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: you know, whenever I post a link to p.se and you snark about it, I get flashback to that 80's anti-drug commercial... "I learned it from watching you!" | 17:57 |
| Wolfger | rick_h__: lol | 17:58 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Hopefully you're learning good behaviour. ;) | 18:00 |
| brousch | snap-l: how did you mobile unix museum talk go? | 18:01 |
| snap-l | brousch: I think it went pretty well | 18:01 |
| snap-l | though the show and tell was essentially tacked-on | 18:01 |
| snap-l | That 3B2/400 is god-awful heavy. | 18:02 |
| snap-l | Back when servers were made of steel and iron, and cases drew blood for sacrifice. | 18:02 |
| snap-l | The overall mood in the room seemed pretty positive. | 18:03 |
| snap-l | but for the most part it was me talking out my butt about things that happened before I was born / toddling. ;) | 18:03 |
| Wolfger | Heheheh | 18:04 |
| Wolfger | Well you look old enough to know what you're talking about. | 18:05 |
| Wolfger | ;-) | 18:05 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Wanna play catch with the 3B2? I'll throw. | 18:06 |
| Wolfger | I'll pass. | 18:06 |
| Wolfger | <ba-dum-bum!) | 18:06 |
| Wolfger | s/)/>/ | 18:06 |
| Wolfger | I wonder why I so often mismatch my closures... <) or [} or some such | 18:11 |
| Wolfger | at least square and curly could be explained as a typo, but < and ) are on opposite ends of the keyboard... | 18:12 |
| brousch | for those of you potty training soon Most awesome potty training book evar!http://laughingsquid.com/monster-poop-a-childrens-potty-training-book/ | 18:39 |
| snap-l | Also, ffmeg is awesome. Converted a 15MB file to 500k by resizing it | 18:40 |
| snap-l | was a video of me shredding my AmEx corporate card. :) | 18:40 |
| brousch | ffmpeg is the bizomb | 18:41 |
| brousch | avidemus is also the bizomb | 18:42 |
| brousch | avidemux | 18:42 |
| Wolfger | avidemux is pure unadulterated awesome | 18:47 |
| Wolfger | if awesome was pepper spray, avidemux is the cop hosing everybody down | 18:48 |
| rick_h__ | love the intro: http://24ways.org/2011/your-jquery-now-with-less-suck | 19:03 |
| rick_h__ | man I love 4g | 19:11 |
| Wolfger | but... but... what if we *like* the suck? | 19:16 |
| brousch | Wolfger++ | 19:17 |
| Blazeix | man, caching++ on that 24ways link. The amount of times I see people just retyping $("foo") all over the place... | 19:17 |
| rick_h__ | Blazeix: yea, and loved that I got support for $(id).find() | 19:18 |
| Wolfger | Hey, that author has good taste in hats and beer. What he says must have value. :-) | 19:18 |
| rick_h__ | I've gotten some wtf on the find stuff before | 19:18 |
| Blazeix | yeah, the reverse order evaluation is tricky | 19:19 |
| rick_h__ | burning some bits the last 24hrs. uploaded over 1gb on 4g | 19:19 |
| Blazeix | I still find myself getting caught up in it. | 19:19 |
| brousch | rick_h__: don't you have a5GB monthly cap? | 19:20 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: yes I do, going to get close this month | 19:20 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Ouch, is that the LP commit log? | 19:20 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: no, uploading backup stuff to ec2 boxes replacing colo ox | 19:20 |
| rick_h__ | /ox/box | 19:20 |
| snap-l | Ah, saw the magic 1gb number, and thought it might be related. | 19:20 |
| rick_h__ | but when I can get 1MB/s transfer rates uploading almost rather do it on 4g vs home conneciton | 19:21 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: heh, no | 19:21 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Yeah, that makes sense. | 19:21 |
| snap-l | http://magnatune.com/artists/ilic <- Listening to the Vitality and Virtuosity album | 19:21 |
| brousch | listeing to http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/49570 | 19:22 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's fucked up | 19:23 |
| snap-l | Downloading. | 19:24 |
| brousch | i like their first album better | 19:24 |
| snap-l | Oh, this should be good. Got a survey from Tracfone | 19:24 |
| brousch | http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/4722 | 19:24 |
| brousch | snap-l: O M G http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/interactive/ebb1/?cpg=181P | 19:43 |
| snap-l | The drum machine? | 19:43 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's awesome. | 19:44 |
| brousch | aw man, too bad it needs that hip thing | 19:49 |
| snap-l | That's the power supply / brains | 19:49 |
| snap-l | Same as the Electronic Guitar shirt | 19:50 |
| brousch | bah, that will never survive a 4 year old | 19:50 |
| snap-l | (funny enough, I saw a guitar shirt for sale at the Salvation Army) | 19:50 |
| snap-l | brousch: Oh hell no | 19:50 |
| snap-l | Not unless they're extremely careful | 19:51 |
| brousch | my 4 year old is about as careful as they come, and there's no way it would survive | 19:52 |
| brousch | ahahah, more torture for rick_h__ http://support.verizonwireless.com/simulator/Samsung/galaxy_nexus/#/GROUP_APPS | 19:55 |
| snap-l | Simulator my ass | 19:59 |
| brousch | no thank you | 20:02 |
| snap-l | God, returning this stuff is going to be fun | 20:59 |
| snap-l | One box gets sent one place | 20:59 |
| snap-l | and another box gets sent somewhere else | 20:59 |
| snap-l | and lord knows what happens to the VPN token | 20:59 |
| snap-l | Also, couldn't convince them to let me keep the Thinkpad. :( | 21:01 |
| snap-l | I mean, they're just going to send it back to the PC graveyard. I could give it a nice warm home | 21:01 |
| brousch | did you offer $$$ | 21:01 |
| snap-l | brousch: No, because I'm a cheapskate. | 21:01 |
| snap-l | And it has this ugly-ass asset tag | 21:02 |
| brousch | whew, just updated my todo list for work. i have so much crap in the queue | 21:02 |
| greg-g | you think brousch has a lot of crap in his queue, just imagine what mine looks like now :) 2 days away is a pretty long time for CC employees (we're workaholics, I'm beginng to discover, definitely not your "typical non-profit") | 22:35 |
| snap-l | Well, and you keep screwing with the licenses. :) | 22:36 |
| snap-l | All that make work. ;) | 22:36 |
| greg-g | snap-l: hehe, yeah | 22:38 |
| greg-g | Luckily, Mike Linksvayer is awesome and is leading most of the community discussion of that | 22:51 |
| greg-g | by leading I mean responding on the mailing list :) | 22:52 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but I'm getting a very uneas feeling | 22:52 |
| greg-g | why's that? | 22:52 |
| snap-l | I'm getting the sense that NC is essentially going to get thrown under the bus | 22:52 |
| snap-l | and all the folks that adopted CC as a way for folks to distribute things freely without having to ask will have no quarter | 22:53 |
| greg-g | I don't think it will ever go away, it just might be rebranded and clarified as "not really open" (obviously only scare quotes, not an actual quote) | 22:53 |
| snap-l | It just seems from the noise on the list that there are those who think that BY-SA is the only way for CC to work. | 22:54 |
| snap-l | Frankly, I wish more actual artists participated in the conversation | 22:57 |
| greg-g | snap-l: well, remember, most of those people are hard core Freetards :) | 22:57 |
| greg-g | on the mailing list, that is | 22:57 |
| snap-l | not just the usual suspects, I mean folks that picked it because it was available. | 22:57 |
| greg-g | other channels for this conversation will have a different mix | 22:57 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Oh, I've recognized a few identi.ca names. | 22:57 |
| greg-g | :) | 22:57 |
| snap-l | I've regarded the CC much the same way that I regard the EFF: the cooler-heads prevail organization | 22:58 |
| snap-l | I've talked with several bands about releasing their stuff under CC-licenses. Generally speaking either they're way into it, or they feel that just saying "go ahead and play it" is enough | 23:02 |
| snap-l | and my biggest concern is that CC -NC will be the straw that makes them not even consider it. | 23:03 |
| greg-g | I hear ya | 23:18 |
| greg-g | snap-l: if you want, I'd highly encourage you to blog out it and send it to the cc-licenses mailing list, or at least to @mlinksva on identi.ca | 23:19 |
| greg-g | I think your viewpoint is entirely valid and valuable, given your experiences. Hell, do a special OMC about it ;) | 23:19 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, I know. | 23:19 |
| snap-l | I'm having a hard time putting it into words, though | 23:19 |
| snap-l | because my inner-freetard would love to see NC go away | 23:20 |
| snap-l | but I'm worried that CC will be the bastion of shitty filk and noisecore | 23:20 |
| snap-l | and no serious artist will take it seriously. | 23:20 |
| Blazeix | rick_h__: galaxy nexus officially announced for tomorrow! | 23:24 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yeah, which is, I think, you're opener :) | 23:28 |
| greg-g | s/you're/your/ | 23:29 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7woCKQcHKDA <- Brief History of Unix presentation | 23:41 |
| snap-l | MUG presentation | 23:41 |
| brousch | omg greg-g is here! | 23:42 |
| brousch | congrats! | 23:42 |
| greg-g | brousch: :) thanks man | 23:58 |
| brousch | you have the boy hugging trees yet? | 23:59 |
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