[00:28] Hah [01:12] how we doing? [01:13] it was a little rough during the iwconfig talk, but doing fine now :) [01:13] bah, ok...maybe now I can stay in irc again [01:15] typing on IRC with Rowan in my lap, two handed typing even on an old KeyTronic loudy clickity keyboard, he likes it, of course :) [01:17] greg-g: hah, good stuff [01:17] greg-g: you guys home already? [01:29] rick_h__: yep, we were only in the hospital for about 26ish hours [01:30] long story short: Carrie was kind of in labor on Friday, but it stopped. Then saturday she felt kind of crampy, no big deal, still went grocery shopping and picked up her mom/sis from airport. Went to be that night, then... [01:30] greg-g: wow, good stuff [01:30] around 2am I realize she's in real labor when she says "don't touch me" :) [01:30] lol [01:31] she goes into the bathroom, hot bathtub, space heater, dark and all that. I join her for a while but she really just wanted to be alone. [01:32] We couldn't time the time between contractions, we were going to head to the hospital at 4 minutes apart, but, that didn't happen [01:32] we tried to get her to get in the car to go around 7am, but she was having none of the idea, too painful [01:33] then at 8:14 we called 911, 8:16 Rowan was birthed into my hands in the tub, 8:16:30 emts arrived to help with the aftermath :) [01:34] hosital to get checked out and all that, then monday around noon we headed home [01:53] <_stink_> oh wow [01:53] <_stink_> greg-g: quite a story to tell for the rest of your life :) [01:54] <_stink_> i think there's a certificate you get for delivering your own kid [01:55] :) [01:55] yeah, bill from the ambulance ride to the hospital ;) [01:59] <_stink_> frame it! [02:02] evening [03:28] bookie 502 error make me cry [03:29] greg-g: awe! you got to catch! that is so awesome! [03:29] i wish I would have asked to catch. [03:29] greg-g: congrats! [03:29] wow i didn't want to catch [03:45] jrwren: Bookie is down ATM because of server problems. [03:45] see scrollback. [03:45] greg-g: That sounds so perfectly greg-g. :) [03:46] Seriously [04:05] jrwren: working on it, hopefully have stuff back up CHC tomorrow, but might not be until friday [04:05] disk goes boom and ec2 instances are getting setup [04:06] Anything we can do to help out? [04:06] jrwren: there are twice daily backups so everything should be good stuff [04:06] snap-l: no, just time and with no vacation days and the boys birthday party this weekend time is a bit light [04:07] I'm out for the night, party on [04:07] Laterness [12:43] morning party people [12:49] well that's good to see. the party is back! [12:52] ooooh, you have a google tech group over there now: "Looking for speakers on Google App Engine or other Google Cloud technologies interested in presenting to the newly formed Detroit GTUG." [12:53] heh, hadn't heard of it [12:58] came in vie the @detroitcloud twitter account [13:27] morning [13:28] GTUG? Google Tech Users Group? [13:28] Greater Toledo Users Group? [13:29] Good Thing Unicorns Gallop? [13:36] I'm coming around to this viewpoint http://goo.gl/5aijh [13:41] brousch: Perhaps, but KDE makes me need to think more about my desktop environment than GNOME [13:42] and by think, I mean fiddle [13:42] i haven't really fiddled with it since i set it up last week [13:43] now things are where i want them and the colors don't hurt my eyes [13:50] heh [13:50] though in this case i'd say go get shutter and forget about it [13:52] hadn't heard of shutter [13:52] awesome screenshot tool ftw [13:52] but a featureful screenshot program is one thing i missed from osx [13:52] ksnapshot looks good [13:53] except for that k up front :P [13:53] i've used ksnapsthot [13:53] its great [13:54] odd, i already had shutter installed [13:54] heh, guess you've heard of it then [13:54] it's not a default ootb [13:55] it has perl plugins. this can't be good [13:57] lol [13:58] perl plugins? Woot! [14:00] ROFL @brousch's link: "Even Debian SID has an ancient version of KDE4 - 4.6.x - this is missing over 12000 bugfixes that made it into KDE 4.7.x" [14:00] I did not realize "one version ago" == "ancient" [14:04] yeah, but 12,000 bugfixes is a lot [14:05] I am not surprised there were that many to be fixed, but I am surprised they fixed that many. [14:05] maybe it's finally as good as 3.x was? [14:06] If my Ocelot would boot, I could find out... :-P [14:06] i haven't run into any problems [14:07] i'm still fuzzy about this nepomuk thing [14:08] I have NFC what a nepomuk is [14:08] Is that what the kids are playing with over webkins? [14:08] like beagle i think [14:08] indexer [14:08] Oh, so it's a "why is my computer so fucking slow" inducer [14:09] it seems well-behaved [14:09] i can adjust how much ram it can use [14:12] lol [14:12] poor beagle, good idea but wonder whatever happened to it [14:12] there is some other one out now but i can't remember the name [14:14] Tracker [14:14] ? [14:15] NFC, I try to turn that off as quickly as possible. [14:15] Don't need my machine thrashing about trying to poorly index files on keywords I don't use. [14:16] i figured i'd give it a try [14:20] smoser: https://gist.github.com/1356355 is kind of what I was talking about [14:21] smoser: looks like no pull request feature, but the comments/change history and ability to fork it seem like what they were using [14:21] smoser: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2011/11/28/yui-open-hours-thurs-dec-1st/ for the post they put up with the links to the discussions [14:28] brousch: snap-l: Nepomuk is "semantic computing" Whatever-TF that means... [14:29] the gist of it that I've been able to suss out is that it allows you to search your computer for things better. [14:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_computing [14:31] how do i search? [14:31] Like say you have an MP3 file of a Metallica song, a picture of cover art from the album, a picture of you and your wife at a Metallica concert, and a HTML file of you blogging about the group.... and Nepomuk magically finds all these very different things when you search "Metallica". [14:31] but how do i search? [14:32] From my perspective, though, "semantic computing" means "resource hog" and I shut the damned thing off [14:32] so I can't answer the "how do I search?" question :-) [14:33] where's jjesse? he wrote the book on this thing [14:34] http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main1/Nepomuk-Eclipse [14:36] rick_h__, cool. i use gists a *lot* for storing things that are just above garbage [14:37] https://gist.github.com/smoser [14:37] ok. maybe not a *lot* but as a good place to get something off my local system. [14:42] ah, found it [14:59] ah-ha, alt+f2 brings up krunner which uses nepomuk [15:04] I've never used nepomuk. is that the file search thing? [15:04] never had use for those things. I just put docs in ~/docs, music in ~/music, code in ~/proj, etc [15:04] amazingly, if I want to look for a document, it's probably in ~/docs [15:09] this is great, and I hate cats http://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/sets/72157628409467125/with/6508102407/ [15:09] you... what? [15:10] There must have been a typo somewhere [15:10] I believe cats are only for real dogs to have handy snacks available [15:11] I used to think you were an okay guy, rick. [15:11] <_stink_> i love the 417 one. [15:11] that's ok, it's good to shake things up once in a while [15:18] "Ultra-Fast Booting Blu-ray Disc Player" Apparently Ubuntu is in Blu-ray players. ;) [15:19] Caribou has $2 drinks today. [15:20] ooh, knew I wanted to head up today [15:20] You need a coupon [15:22] doh [15:23] Check PM [15:29] Rick deserves no coffee. He hates cats. [15:29] UNFORGIVABLE. [15:29] I like cats...as long as they get to be dog food [15:29] dogs > cats [15:30] sometimes people forget to feed them lunch [15:30] I love dogs, too. [15:30] I'm going to train my cat to attack a picture of rick. [15:31] get a pair of his undies and teach it to attach the groin [15:32] perfect [15:32] cats suck [15:32] you're in charge of stealing his shorts [15:32] dogs > cats, cats > rick_h__ [15:32] again? [15:33] again. [15:33] always. [15:37] woot. The Euro is quickly becoming as worthless as the US Dollar again. :-) That will make my next trip to Germany more pleasant. [15:37] toll [15:38] If they can devalue the Canadian dollar, maybe we can get our economy back with all of the Canadians buying smokes. ;) [15:44] I <3 this company [15:45] boss just asked me of there was a local area where I can drop off my PCs. [15:45] Um, unless there's somewhere in the area that I'm not aware of (which isn't out of the realm of possibility, mind you), uh, no. [15:46] snap-l: huh? a "local area"? [15:46] like a A/L office building? [15:46] Yeah. [15:48] Marked difference between the exit from A/L and Geeknet [15:49] yea [15:49] Geeknet, i could have dropped off in Dexter, but they sent me a UPS box to fill up [15:56] snap-l: we have comprenew [15:57] We're with HP for IT support. [17:12] ye gods.... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/492/how-important-is-the-ability-to-touch-type [17:13] lol [17:14] Navelgazers R us [17:14] personally, I don't "touch type", as much as non-looking hunt and peck. ;) [17:15] If I ever had a typing instructor, they'd be horrified at how I keyboard. :) [17:16] I am/was one of the best two-finger typists I ever saw, and I'm probably a below-average touch-typist, and touch-typing definitely increases my productivity. [17:19] Yah, but again, this is one of those questions that seems productive on the surface, but overall doesn't mean a stack of beans [17:19] arg, http://androidandme.com/2011/12/devices/verizon-on-galaxy-nexus-still-on-track-to-launch-this-year/ [17:22] snap-l: This question seems productive? I thought it seemed absurd. [17:22] Blazeix: lies [17:31] Wolfger: Well, it's under the guise of "I really want to know if there's some productive benefit" [17:32] when it's essentially the same as asking if different forms of whitespace can be more productive for a compiler to parse. [17:33] They're insignificant and noodly questions when brought up against the bigger picture. [17:33] i.e.: Boy, he can type like a motherfucker, but he doesn't know shit about XYZ" [17:34] vs. "This guy practically wrote XYZ, but he types like seal" [17:34] Which is more productive? [17:34] If your business is generating electricity via computer keyboards, then hire the typing motherfucker [17:35] but if your business is in shipping code, then hire the XYZ expert, and expense a copy of Mavid Beacon if he/she asks for it. [17:35] and we're done. :) [17:36] :-) [17:37] yes, but the question isn't so apples-to-oranges [17:37] Wolfger: Explain it to me, then. :) [17:37] It's not "should I hire a guy who knows what he's doing and can't type, or a typist who's and idiot?" [17:38] It's "should I be worried about learning to be a better programmer" [17:38] and I think the only answer to that is "duh" [17:38] since all programming is done via keyboard, that's a bit of a no-brainer [17:38] Well, not exactly [17:39] Yes, learning how to effectively use the interface is key (no pun intended) [17:39] but that's only one piece of the puzzle [17:39] I don't think you can point to typing and say "that's so vital to coding" [17:40] it's vital to coding quickly. [17:40] But remember the ALS patient who got his commit accepted into GNOME a while back [17:41] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/04/10/1219215/als-sufferer-used-legs-to-contribute-last-patch [17:45] Sure. It's not impossible to code, or even be a good coder, without the ability to type efficiently. [17:45] But all things being equal, the ability to type efficiently is a big plus if this is what you do for a living. [17:47] Hell, it was a huge boost to me doing PLC logic on Allen-Bradley devices after I learned that every symbol had a mnmonic equivalency. The other guys couldn't understand how I was banging out code so quickly as they programmed via mouse :-) [17:49] Wolfger: Well, that's different indeed [17:49] it's called learning the tool. ;) [17:50] I'd submit that's even more important that typing speed. [17:51] well, I don't think it's fair to say that people who program PLC's via mouse clicks don't know the tool... That's standard for the industry. [17:51] I would. [17:52] but granted, typing vs mouse is a different animal than typing vs. pecking [17:54] Now I have to wonder, though, is mousing better than pecking? [17:55] it's all an indicator [17:55] Post it up on p.se [17:55] not cause/effect [17:55] Oh, look, a navel! :-) [17:55] meanwhile, I have better things to do with my life... [17:55] like watch the Daily Show. [17:55] <- illusions of productivity revealed. [17:55] i type with about 4 fingers [17:55] Heh. I was about to say "prove it", but the Daily Show is clearly better [17:57] lol OH in #launchpad-dev http://paste.mitechie.com/show/472/ [17:57] snap-l: you know, whenever I post a link to p.se and you snark about it, I get flashback to that 80's anti-drug commercial... "I learned it from watching you!" [17:58] rick_h__: lol [18:00] Wolfger: Hopefully you're learning good behaviour. ;) [18:01] snap-l: how did you mobile unix museum talk go? [18:01] brousch: I think it went pretty well [18:01] though the show and tell was essentially tacked-on [18:02] That 3B2/400 is god-awful heavy. [18:02] Back when servers were made of steel and iron, and cases drew blood for sacrifice. [18:03] The overall mood in the room seemed pretty positive. [18:03] but for the most part it was me talking out my butt about things that happened before I was born / toddling. ;) [18:04] Heheheh [18:05] Well you look old enough to know what you're talking about. [18:05] ;-) [18:06] Wolfger: Wanna play catch with the 3B2? I'll throw. [18:06] I'll pass. [18:06]

s/)/>/ [18:11] I wonder why I so often mismatch my closures... <) or [} or some such [18:12] at least square and curly could be explained as a typo, but < and ) are on opposite ends of the keyboard... [18:39] for those of you potty training soon Most awesome potty training book evar!http://laughingsquid.com/monster-poop-a-childrens-potty-training-book/ [18:40] Also, ffmeg is awesome. Converted a 15MB file to 500k by resizing it [18:40] was a video of me shredding my AmEx corporate card. :) [18:41] ffmpeg is the bizomb [18:42] avidemus is also the bizomb [18:42] avidemux [18:47] avidemux is pure unadulterated awesome [18:48] if awesome was pepper spray, avidemux is the cop hosing everybody down [19:03] love the intro: http://24ways.org/2011/your-jquery-now-with-less-suck [19:11] man I love 4g [19:16] but... but... what if we *like* the suck? [19:17] Wolfger++ [19:17] man, caching++ on that 24ways link. The amount of times I see people just retyping $("foo") all over the place... [19:18] Blazeix: yea, and loved that I got support for $(id).find() [19:18] Hey, that author has good taste in hats and beer. What he says must have value. :-) [19:18] I've gotten some wtf on the find stuff before [19:19] yeah, the reverse order evaluation is tricky [19:19] burning some bits the last 24hrs. uploaded over 1gb on 4g [19:19] I still find myself getting caught up in it. [19:20] rick_h__: don't you have a5GB monthly cap? [19:20] brousch: yes I do, going to get close this month [19:20] rick_h__: Ouch, is that the LP commit log? [19:20] snap-l: no, uploading backup stuff to ec2 boxes replacing colo ox [19:20] /ox/box [19:20] Ah, saw the magic 1gb number, and thought it might be related. [19:21] but when I can get 1MB/s transfer rates uploading almost rather do it on 4g vs home conneciton [19:21] snap-l: heh, no [19:21] rick_h__: Yeah, that makes sense. [19:21] http://magnatune.com/artists/ilic <- Listening to the Vitality and Virtuosity album [19:22] listeing to http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/49570 [19:23] brousch: That's fucked up [19:24] Downloading. [19:24] i like their first album better [19:24] Oh, this should be good. Got a survey from Tracfone [19:24] http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/4722 [19:43] snap-l: O M G http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/interactive/ebb1/?cpg=181P [19:43] The drum machine? [19:44] Yeah, that's awesome. [19:49] aw man, too bad it needs that hip thing [19:49] That's the power supply / brains [19:50] Same as the Electronic Guitar shirt [19:50] bah, that will never survive a 4 year old [19:50] (funny enough, I saw a guitar shirt for sale at the Salvation Army) [19:50] brousch: Oh hell no [19:51] Not unless they're extremely careful [19:52] my 4 year old is about as careful as they come, and there's no way it would survive [19:55] ahahah, more torture for rick_h__ http://support.verizonwireless.com/simulator/Samsung/galaxy_nexus/#/GROUP_APPS [19:59] Simulator my ass [20:02] no thank you [20:59] God, returning this stuff is going to be fun [20:59] One box gets sent one place [20:59] and another box gets sent somewhere else [20:59] and lord knows what happens to the VPN token [21:01] Also, couldn't convince them to let me keep the Thinkpad. :( [21:01] I mean, they're just going to send it back to the PC graveyard. I could give it a nice warm home [21:01] did you offer $$$ [21:01] brousch: No, because I'm a cheapskate. [21:02] And it has this ugly-ass asset tag [21:02] whew, just updated my todo list for work. i have so much crap in the queue [22:35] you think brousch has a lot of crap in his queue, just imagine what mine looks like now :) 2 days away is a pretty long time for CC employees (we're workaholics, I'm beginng to discover, definitely not your "typical non-profit") [22:36] Well, and you keep screwing with the licenses. :) [22:36] All that make work. ;) [22:38] snap-l: hehe, yeah [22:51] Luckily, Mike Linksvayer is awesome and is leading most of the community discussion of that [22:52] by leading I mean responding on the mailing list :) [22:52] Yeah, but I'm getting a very uneas feeling [22:52] why's that? [22:52] I'm getting the sense that NC is essentially going to get thrown under the bus [22:53] and all the folks that adopted CC as a way for folks to distribute things freely without having to ask will have no quarter [22:53] I don't think it will ever go away, it just might be rebranded and clarified as "not really open" (obviously only scare quotes, not an actual quote) [22:54] It just seems from the noise on the list that there are those who think that BY-SA is the only way for CC to work. [22:57] Frankly, I wish more actual artists participated in the conversation [22:57] snap-l: well, remember, most of those people are hard core Freetards :) [22:57] on the mailing list, that is [22:57] not just the usual suspects, I mean folks that picked it because it was available. [22:57] other channels for this conversation will have a different mix [22:57] greg-g: Oh, I've recognized a few identi.ca names. [22:57] :) [22:58] I've regarded the CC much the same way that I regard the EFF: the cooler-heads prevail organization [23:02] I've talked with several bands about releasing their stuff under CC-licenses. Generally speaking either they're way into it, or they feel that just saying "go ahead and play it" is enough [23:03] and my biggest concern is that CC -NC will be the straw that makes them not even consider it. [23:18] I hear ya [23:19] snap-l: if you want, I'd highly encourage you to blog out it and send it to the cc-licenses mailing list, or at least to @mlinksva on identi.ca [23:19] I think your viewpoint is entirely valid and valuable, given your experiences. Hell, do a special OMC about it ;) [23:19] greg-g: Yeah, I know. [23:19] I'm having a hard time putting it into words, though [23:20] because my inner-freetard would love to see NC go away [23:20] but I'm worried that CC will be the bastion of shitty filk and noisecore [23:20] and no serious artist will take it seriously. [23:24] rick_h__: galaxy nexus officially announced for tomorrow! [23:28] snap-l: yeah, which is, I think, you're opener :) [23:29] s/you're/your/ [23:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7woCKQcHKDA <- Brief History of Unix presentation [23:41] MUG presentation [23:42] omg greg-g is here! [23:42] congrats! [23:58] brousch: :) thanks man [23:59] you have the boy hugging trees yet?