[00:28] <snap-l> Hah
[01:12] <rick_h__> how we doing?
[01:13] <Blazeix> it was a little rough during the iwconfig talk, but doing fine now :)
[01:13] <rick_h__> bah, ok...maybe now I can stay in irc again
[01:15] <greg-g> typing on IRC with Rowan in my lap, two handed typing even on an old KeyTronic loudy clickity keyboard, he likes it, of course :)
[01:17] <rick_h__> greg-g: hah, good stuff
[01:17] <rick_h__> greg-g: you guys home already?
[01:29] <greg-g> rick_h__: yep, we were only in the hospital for about 26ish hours
[01:30] <greg-g> long story short: Carrie was kind of in labor on Friday, but it stopped. Then saturday she felt kind of crampy, no big deal, still went grocery shopping and picked up her mom/sis from airport. Went to be that night, then...
[01:30] <rick_h__> greg-g: wow, good stuff
[01:30] <greg-g> around 2am I realize she's in real labor when she says "don't touch me" :)
[01:30] <rick_h__> lol
[01:31] <greg-g> she goes into the bathroom, hot bathtub, space heater, dark and all that. I join her for a while but she really just wanted to be alone.
[01:32] <greg-g> We couldn't time the time between contractions, we were going to head to the hospital at 4 minutes apart, but, that didn't happen
[01:32] <greg-g> we tried to get her to get in the car to go around 7am, but she was having none of the idea, too painful
[01:33] <greg-g> then at 8:14 we called 911, 8:16 Rowan was birthed into my hands in the tub, 8:16:30 emts arrived to help with the aftermath :)
[01:34] <greg-g> hosital to get checked out and all that, then monday around noon we headed home
[01:53] <_stink_> oh wow
[01:53] <_stink_> greg-g: quite a story to tell for the rest of your life :)
[01:54] <_stink_> i think there's a certificate you get for delivering your own kid
[01:55] <greg-g> :)
[01:55] <greg-g> yeah, bill from the ambulance ride to the hospital ;)
[01:59] <_stink_> frame it!
[02:02] <jjesse> evening
[03:28] <jrwren> bookie 502 error make me cry
[03:29] <jrwren> greg-g: awe! you got to catch! that is so awesome!
[03:29] <jrwren> i wish I would have asked to catch.
[03:29] <jrwren> greg-g: congrats!
[03:29] <jjesse> wow i didn't want to catch
[03:45] <snap-l> jrwren: Bookie is down ATM because of server problems.
[03:45] <snap-l> see scrollback.
[03:45] <snap-l> greg-g: That sounds so perfectly greg-g. :)
[03:46] <snap-l> Seriously
[04:05] <rick_h__> jrwren: working on it, hopefully have stuff back up CHC tomorrow, but might not be until friday
[04:05] <rick_h__> disk goes boom and ec2 instances are getting setup
[04:06] <snap-l> Anything we can do to help out?
[04:06] <rick_h__> jrwren: there are twice daily backups so everything should be good stuff
[04:06] <rick_h__> snap-l: no, just time and with no vacation days and the boys birthday party this weekend time is a bit light
[04:07] <rick_h__> I'm out for the night, party on
[04:07] <snap-l> Laterness
[12:43] <rick_h__> morning party people
[12:49] <brousch> well that's good to see. the party is back!
[12:52] <brousch> ooooh, you have a google tech group over there now: "Looking for speakers on Google App Engine or other Google Cloud technologies interested in presenting to the newly formed Detroit GTUG."
[12:53] <rick_h__> heh, hadn't heard of it
[12:58] <brousch> came in vie the @detroitcloud twitter account
[13:27] <Wolfger> morning
[13:28] <Wolfger> GTUG? Google Tech Users Group?
[13:28] <Wolfger> Greater Toledo Users Group?
[13:29] <Wolfger> Good Thing Unicorns Gallop?
[13:36] <brousch> I'm coming around to this viewpoint http://goo.gl/5aijh
[13:41] <snap-l> brousch: Perhaps, but KDE makes me need to think more about my desktop environment than GNOME
[13:42] <snap-l> and by think, I mean fiddle
[13:42] <brousch> i haven't really fiddled with it since i set it up last week
[13:43] <brousch> now things are where i want them and the colors don't hurt my eyes
[13:50] <rick_h__> heh
[13:50] <rick_h__> though in this case i'd say go get shutter and forget about it
[13:52] <brousch> hadn't heard of shutter
[13:52] <rick_h__> awesome screenshot tool ftw
[13:52] <brousch> but a featureful screenshot program is one thing i missed from osx
[13:52] <brousch> ksnapshot looks good
[13:53] <rick_h__> except for that k up front :P
[13:53] <jjesse> i've used ksnapsthot
[13:53] <jjesse> its great
[13:54] <brousch> odd, i already had shutter installed
[13:54] <rick_h__> heh, guess you've heard of it then
[13:54] <rick_h__> it's not a default ootb
[13:55] <brousch> it has perl plugins. this can't be good
[13:57] <rick_h__> lol
[13:58] <Wolfger> perl plugins? Woot!
[14:00] <Wolfger> ROFL @brousch's link: "Even Debian SID has an ancient version of KDE4 - 4.6.x - this is missing over 12000 bugfixes that made it into KDE 4.7.x"
[14:00] <Wolfger> I did not realize "one version ago" == "ancient"
[14:04] <brousch> yeah, but 12,000 bugfixes is a lot
[14:05] <Wolfger> I am not surprised there were that many to be fixed, but I am surprised they fixed that many.
[14:05] <Wolfger> maybe it's finally as good as 3.x was?
[14:06] <Wolfger> If my Ocelot would boot, I could find out... :-P
[14:06] <brousch> i haven't run into any problems
[14:07] <brousch> i'm still fuzzy about this nepomuk thing
[14:08] <snap-l> I have NFC what a nepomuk is
[14:08] <snap-l> Is that what the kids are playing with over webkins?
[14:08] <brousch> like beagle i think
[14:08] <brousch> indexer
[14:08] <snap-l> Oh, so it's a "why is my computer so fucking slow" inducer
[14:09] <brousch> it seems well-behaved
[14:09] <brousch> i can adjust how much ram it can use
[14:12] <rick_h__> lol
[14:12] <rick_h__> poor beagle, good idea but wonder whatever happened to it
[14:12] <brousch> there is some other one out now but i can't remember the name
[14:14] <snap-l> Tracker
[14:14] <snap-l> ?
[14:15] <snap-l> NFC, I try to turn that off as quickly as possible.
[14:15] <snap-l> Don't need my machine thrashing about trying to poorly index files on keywords I don't use.
[14:16] <brousch> i figured i'd give it a try
[14:20] <rick_h__> smoser: https://gist.github.com/1356355 is kind of what I was talking about
[14:21] <rick_h__> smoser: looks like no pull request feature, but the comments/change history and ability to fork it seem like what they were using
[14:21] <rick_h__> smoser: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2011/11/28/yui-open-hours-thurs-dec-1st/ for the post they put up with the links to the discussions
[14:28] <Wolfger> brousch: snap-l: Nepomuk is "semantic computing" Whatever-TF that means...
[14:29] <Wolfger> the gist of it that I've been able to suss out is that it allows you to search your computer for things better.
[14:30] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_computing
[14:31] <brousch> how do i search?
[14:31] <Wolfger> Like say you have an MP3 file of a Metallica song, a picture of cover art from the album, a picture of you and your wife at a Metallica concert, and a HTML file of you blogging about the group.... and Nepomuk magically finds all these very different things when you search "Metallica".
[14:31] <brousch> but how do i search?
[14:32] <Wolfger> From my perspective, though, "semantic computing" means "resource hog" and I shut the damned thing off
[14:32] <Wolfger> so I can't answer the "how do I search?" question :-)
[14:33] <brousch> where's jjesse? he wrote the book on this thing
[14:34] <brousch> http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main1/Nepomuk-Eclipse
[14:36] <smoser> rick_h__, cool. i use gists a *lot* for storing things that are just above garbage
[14:37] <smoser> https://gist.github.com/smoser
[14:37] <smoser> ok. maybe not a *lot* but as a good place to get something off my local system.
[14:42] <brousch> ah, found it
[14:59] <brousch> ah-ha, alt+f2 brings up krunner which uses nepomuk
[15:04] <ColonelPanic001> I've never used nepomuk. is that the file search thing?
[15:04] <ColonelPanic001> never had use for those things. I just put docs in ~/docs, music in ~/music, code in ~/proj, etc
[15:04] <ColonelPanic001> amazingly, if I want to look for a document, it's probably in ~/docs
[15:09] <rick_h__> this is great, and I hate cats http://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/sets/72157628409467125/with/6508102407/
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> you... what?
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> There must have been a typo somewhere
[15:10] <rick_h__> I believe cats are only for real dogs to have handy snacks available
[15:11] <ColonelPanic001> I used to think you were an okay guy, rick.
[15:11] <_stink_> i love the 417 one.
[15:11] <rick_h__> that's ok, it's good to shake things up once in a while
[15:18] <snap-l> "Ultra-Fast Booting Blu-ray Disc Player" Apparently Ubuntu is in Blu-ray players. ;)
[15:19] <snap-l> Caribou has $2 drinks today.
[15:20] <rick_h__> ooh, knew I wanted to head up today
[15:20] <snap-l> You need a coupon
[15:22] <rick_h__> doh
[15:23] <snap-l> Check PM
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> Rick deserves no coffee. He hates cats.
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> UNFORGIVABLE.
[15:29] <rick_h__> I like cats...as long as they get to be dog food
[15:29] <brousch> dogs > cats
[15:30] <rick_h__> sometimes people forget to feed them lunch
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> I love dogs, too.
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> I'm going to train my cat to attack a picture of rick.
[15:31] <brousch> get a pair of his undies and teach it to attach the groin
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> perfect
[15:32] <jjesse> cats suck
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> you're in charge of stealing his shorts
[15:32] <Wolfger> dogs > cats, cats > rick_h__
[15:32] <brousch> again?
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> again.
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> always.
[15:37] <Wolfger> woot. The Euro is quickly becoming as worthless as the US Dollar again. :-) That will make my next trip to Germany more pleasant.
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> toll
[15:38] <snap-l> If they can devalue the Canadian dollar, maybe we can get our economy back with all of the Canadians buying smokes. ;)
[15:44] <snap-l> I <3 this company
[15:45] <snap-l> boss just asked me of there was a local area where I can drop off my PCs.
[15:45] <snap-l> Um, unless there's somewhere in the area that I'm not aware of (which isn't out of the realm of possibility, mind you), uh, no.
[15:46] <rick_h__> snap-l: huh? a "local area"?
[15:46] <rick_h__> like a A/L office building?
[15:46] <snap-l> Yeah.
[15:48] <snap-l> Marked difference between the exit from A/L and Geeknet
[15:49] <rick_h__> yea
[15:49] <snap-l> Geeknet, i could have dropped off in Dexter, but they sent me a UPS box to fill up
[15:56] <brousch> snap-l: we have comprenew
[15:57] <snap-l> We're with HP for IT support.
[17:12] <Wolfger> ye gods.... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/492/how-important-is-the-ability-to-touch-type
[17:13] <rick_h__> lol
[17:14] <snap-l> Navelgazers R us
[17:14] <snap-l> personally, I don't "touch type", as much as non-looking hunt and peck. ;)
[17:15] <snap-l> If I ever had a typing instructor, they'd be horrified at how I keyboard. :)
[17:16] <Wolfger> I am/was one of the best two-finger typists I ever saw, and I'm probably a below-average touch-typist, and touch-typing definitely increases my productivity.
[17:19] <snap-l> Yah, but again, this is one of those questions that seems productive on the surface, but overall doesn't mean a stack of beans
[17:19] <Blazeix> arg, http://androidandme.com/2011/12/devices/verizon-on-galaxy-nexus-still-on-track-to-launch-this-year/
[17:22] <Wolfger> snap-l: This question seems productive? I thought it seemed absurd.
[17:22] <Wolfger> Blazeix: lies
[17:31] <snap-l> Wolfger: Well, it's under the guise of "I really want to know if there's some productive benefit"
[17:32] <snap-l> when it's essentially the same as asking if different forms of whitespace can be more productive for a compiler to parse.
[17:33] <snap-l> They're insignificant and noodly questions when brought up against the bigger picture.
[17:33] <snap-l> i.e.: Boy, he can type like a motherfucker, but he doesn't know shit about XYZ"
[17:34] <snap-l> vs. "This guy practically wrote XYZ, but he types like seal"
[17:34] <snap-l> Which is more productive?
[17:34] <snap-l> If your business is generating electricity via computer keyboards, then hire the typing motherfucker
[17:35] <snap-l> but if your business is in shipping code, then hire the XYZ expert, and expense a copy of Mavid Beacon if he/she asks for it.
[17:35] <snap-l> and we're done. :)
[17:36] <Wolfger> :-)
[17:37] <Wolfger> yes, but the question isn't so apples-to-oranges
[17:37] <snap-l> Wolfger: Explain it to me, then. :)
[17:37] <Wolfger> It's not "should I hire a guy who knows what he's doing and can't type, or a typist who's and idiot?"
[17:38] <Wolfger> It's "should I be worried about learning to be a better programmer"
[17:38] <Wolfger> and I think the only answer to that is "duh"
[17:38] <Wolfger> since all programming is done via keyboard, that's a bit of a no-brainer
[17:38] <snap-l> Well, not exactly
[17:39] <snap-l> Yes, learning how to effectively use the interface is key (no pun intended)
[17:39] <snap-l> but that's only one piece of the puzzle
[17:39] <snap-l> I don't think you can point to typing and say "that's so vital to coding"
[17:40] <snap-l> it's vital to coding quickly.
[17:40] <snap-l> But remember the ALS patient who got his commit accepted into GNOME a while back
[17:41] <snap-l> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/04/10/1219215/als-sufferer-used-legs-to-contribute-last-patch
[17:45] <Wolfger> Sure. It's not impossible to code, or even be a good coder, without the ability to type efficiently.
[17:45] <Wolfger> But all things being equal, the ability to type efficiently is a big plus if this is what you do for a living.
[17:47] <Wolfger> Hell, it was a huge boost to me doing PLC logic on Allen-Bradley devices after I learned that every symbol had a mnmonic equivalency. The other guys couldn't understand how I was banging out code so quickly as they programmed via mouse :-)
[17:49] <snap-l> Wolfger: Well, that's different indeed
[17:49] <snap-l> it's called learning the tool. ;)
[17:50] <snap-l> I'd submit that's even more important that typing speed.
[17:51] <Wolfger> well, I don't think it's fair to say that people who program PLC's via mouse clicks don't know the tool... That's standard for the industry.
[17:51] <snap-l> I would.
[17:52] <Wolfger> but granted, typing vs mouse is a different animal than typing vs. pecking
[17:54] <Wolfger> Now I have to wonder, though, is mousing better than pecking?
[17:55] <rick_h__> it's all an indicator
[17:55] <snap-l> Post it up on p.se
[17:55] <rick_h__> not cause/effect
[17:55] <Wolfger> Oh, look, a navel! :-)
[17:55] <snap-l> meanwhile, I have better things to do with my life...
[17:55] <snap-l> like watch the Daily Show.
[17:55] <snap-l> <- illusions of productivity revealed.
[17:55] <brousch> i type with about 4 fingers
[17:55] <Wolfger> Heh. I was about to say "prove it", but the Daily Show is clearly better
[17:57] <rick_h__> lol OH in #launchpad-dev http://paste.mitechie.com/show/472/
[17:57] <Wolfger> snap-l: you know, whenever I post a link to p.se and you snark about it, I get flashback to that 80's anti-drug commercial... "I learned it from watching you!"
[17:58] <Wolfger> rick_h__: lol
[18:00] <snap-l> Wolfger: Hopefully you're learning good behaviour. ;)
[18:01] <brousch> snap-l: how did you mobile unix museum talk go?
[18:01] <snap-l> brousch: I think it went pretty well
[18:01] <snap-l> though the show and tell was essentially tacked-on
[18:02] <snap-l> That 3B2/400 is god-awful heavy.
[18:02] <snap-l> Back when servers were made of steel and iron, and cases drew blood for sacrifice.
[18:03] <snap-l> The overall mood in the room seemed pretty positive.
[18:03] <snap-l> but for the most part it was me talking out my butt about things that happened before I was born / toddling. ;)
[18:04] <Wolfger> Heheheh
[18:05] <Wolfger> Well you look old enough to know what you're talking about.
[18:05] <Wolfger> ;-)
[18:06] <snap-l> Wolfger: Wanna play catch with the 3B2? I'll throw.
[18:06] <Wolfger> I'll pass.
[18:06] <Wolfger> <ba-dum-bum!)
[18:06] <Wolfger> s/)/>/
[18:11] <Wolfger> I wonder why I so often mismatch my closures... <) or [} or some such
[18:12] <Wolfger> at least square and curly could be explained as a typo, but < and ) are on opposite ends of the keyboard...
[18:39] <brousch> for those of you potty training soon Most awesome potty training book evar!http://laughingsquid.com/monster-poop-a-childrens-potty-training-book/
[18:40] <snap-l> Also, ffmeg is awesome. Converted a 15MB file to 500k by resizing it
[18:40] <snap-l> was a video of me shredding my AmEx corporate card. :)
[18:41] <brousch> ffmpeg is the bizomb
[18:42] <brousch> avidemus is also the bizomb
[18:42] <brousch> avidemux
[18:47] <Wolfger> avidemux is pure unadulterated awesome
[18:48] <Wolfger> if awesome was pepper spray, avidemux is the cop hosing everybody down
[19:03] <rick_h__> love the intro: http://24ways.org/2011/your-jquery-now-with-less-suck
[19:11] <rick_h__> man I love 4g
[19:16] <Wolfger> but... but... what if we *like* the suck?
[19:17] <brousch> Wolfger++
[19:17] <Blazeix> man, caching++ on that 24ways link. The amount of times I see people just retyping $("foo") all over the place...
[19:18] <rick_h__> Blazeix: yea, and loved that I got support for $(id).find()
[19:18] <Wolfger> Hey, that author has good taste in hats and beer. What he says must have value. :-)
[19:18] <rick_h__> I've gotten some wtf on the find stuff before
[19:19] <Blazeix> yeah, the reverse order evaluation is tricky
[19:19] <rick_h__> burning some bits the last 24hrs. uploaded over 1gb on 4g
[19:19] <Blazeix> I still find myself getting caught up in it.
[19:20] <brousch> rick_h__: don't you have a5GB monthly cap?
[19:20] <rick_h__> brousch: yes I do, going to get close this month
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h__: Ouch, is that the LP commit log?
[19:20] <rick_h__> snap-l: no, uploading backup stuff to ec2 boxes replacing colo ox
[19:20] <rick_h__> /ox/box
[19:20] <snap-l> Ah, saw the magic 1gb number, and thought it might be related.
[19:21] <rick_h__> but when I can get 1MB/s transfer rates uploading almost rather do it on 4g vs home conneciton
[19:21] <rick_h__> snap-l: heh, no
[19:21] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, that makes sense.
[19:21] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/ilic <- Listening to the Vitality and Virtuosity album
[19:22] <brousch> listeing to http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/49570
[19:23] <snap-l> brousch: That's fucked up
[19:24] <snap-l> Downloading.
[19:24] <brousch> i like their first album better
[19:24] <snap-l> Oh, this should be good. Got a survey from Tracfone
[19:24] <brousch> http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/4722
[19:43] <brousch> snap-l: O M G http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/interactive/ebb1/?cpg=181P
[19:43] <snap-l> The drum machine?
[19:44] <snap-l> Yeah, that's awesome.
[19:49] <brousch> aw man, too bad it needs that hip thing
[19:49] <snap-l> That's the power supply / brains
[19:50] <snap-l> Same as the Electronic Guitar shirt
[19:50] <brousch> bah, that will never survive a 4 year old
[19:50] <snap-l> (funny enough, I saw a guitar shirt for sale at the Salvation Army)
[19:50] <snap-l> brousch: Oh hell no
[19:51] <snap-l> Not unless they're extremely careful
[19:52] <brousch> my 4 year old is about as careful as they come, and there's no way it would survive
[19:55] <brousch> ahahah, more torture for rick_h__ http://support.verizonwireless.com/simulator/Samsung/galaxy_nexus/#/GROUP_APPS
[19:59] <snap-l> Simulator my ass
[20:02] <brousch> no thank you
[20:59] <snap-l> God, returning this stuff is going to be fun
[20:59] <snap-l> One box gets sent one place
[20:59] <snap-l> and another box gets sent somewhere else
[20:59] <snap-l> and lord knows what happens to the VPN token
[21:01] <snap-l> Also, couldn't convince them to let me keep the Thinkpad. :(
[21:01] <snap-l> I mean, they're just going to send it back to the PC graveyard. I could give it a nice warm home
[21:01] <brousch> did you offer $$$
[21:01] <snap-l> brousch: No, because I'm a cheapskate.
[21:02] <snap-l> And it has this ugly-ass asset tag
[21:02] <brousch> whew, just updated my todo list for work. i have so much crap in the queue
[22:35] <greg-g> you think brousch has a lot of crap in his queue, just imagine what mine looks like now :) 2 days away is a pretty long time for CC employees (we're workaholics, I'm beginng to discover, definitely not your "typical non-profit")
[22:36] <snap-l> Well, and you keep screwing with the licenses. :)
[22:36] <snap-l> All that make work. ;)
[22:38] <greg-g> snap-l: hehe, yeah
[22:51] <greg-g> Luckily, Mike Linksvayer is awesome and is leading most of the community discussion of that
[22:52] <greg-g> by leading I mean responding on the mailing list :)
[22:52] <snap-l> Yeah, but I'm getting a very uneas feeling
[22:52] <greg-g> why's that?
[22:52] <snap-l> I'm getting the sense that NC is essentially going to get thrown under the bus
[22:53] <snap-l> and all the folks that adopted CC as a way for folks to distribute things freely without having to ask will have no quarter
[22:53] <greg-g> I don't think it will ever go away, it just might be rebranded and clarified as "not really open" (obviously only scare quotes, not an actual quote)
[22:54] <snap-l> It just seems from the noise on the list that there are those who think that BY-SA is the only way for CC to work.
[22:57] <snap-l> Frankly, I wish more actual artists participated in the conversation
[22:57] <greg-g> snap-l: well, remember, most of those people are hard core Freetards :)
[22:57] <greg-g> on the mailing list, that is
[22:57] <snap-l> not just the usual suspects, I mean folks that picked it because it was available.
[22:57] <greg-g> other channels for this conversation will have a different mix
[22:57] <snap-l> greg-g: Oh, I've recognized a few identi.ca names.
[22:57] <greg-g> :)
[22:58] <snap-l> I've regarded the CC much the same way that I regard the EFF: the cooler-heads prevail organization
[23:02] <snap-l> I've talked with several bands about releasing their stuff under CC-licenses. Generally speaking either they're way into it, or they feel that just saying "go ahead and play it" is enough
[23:03] <snap-l> and my biggest concern is that CC -NC will be the straw that makes them not even consider it.
[23:18] <greg-g> I hear ya
[23:19] <greg-g> snap-l: if you want, I'd highly encourage you to blog out it and send it to the cc-licenses mailing list, or at least to @mlinksva on identi.ca
[23:19] <greg-g> I think your viewpoint is entirely valid and valuable, given your experiences. Hell, do a special OMC about it ;)
[23:19] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, I know.
[23:19] <snap-l> I'm having a hard time putting it into words, though
[23:20] <snap-l> because my inner-freetard would love to see NC go away
[23:20] <snap-l> but I'm worried that CC will be the bastion of shitty filk and noisecore
[23:20] <snap-l> and no serious artist will take it seriously.
[23:24] <Blazeix> rick_h__: galaxy nexus officially announced for tomorrow!
[23:28] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, which is, I think, you're opener :)
[23:29] <greg-g> s/you're/your/
[23:41] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7woCKQcHKDA <- Brief History of Unix presentation
[23:41] <snap-l> MUG presentation
[23:42] <brousch> omg greg-g is here!
[23:42] <brousch> congrats!
[23:58] <greg-g> brousch: :) thanks man
[23:59] <brousch> you have the boy hugging trees yet?