| mhall119 | highvoltage: now you'll have to put up with all my political ramblings on Facebook | 13:41 |
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| * mhall119 evil laughs | 13:41 | |
| highvoltage | mhall119: that's ok, I am capable of getting along with conservatives :) | 13:48 |
| mhall119 | :) | 13:50 |
| TheProf | Hello. For some reason traffic seems slow here so I'll post my question from a few days ago again. Could someone help me with installing xexit? | 15:23 |
| TheProf | It's an application written by Scott Balneave that kills processes left behind when someone logs out. I have followed the instructions here: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/killing-user-processes-with-xexit-on-ltsp-servers | 15:23 |
| TheProf | for adding the ppa, etc. several times but it won't work for me. I think the issue is that I am using version 11.04 and the instructions are for a previous version. Could someone help please? | 15:23 |
| stgraber | TheProf: I don't remember ever using that one so can't help much. But I wrote something very similar in ltsp-cluster-accountmanager a while ago, just installing that package should work | 15:35 |
| TheProf | stgraber, hello. Does ltsp-cluster-accountmanager make any other changes to the server? | 15:39 |
| stgraber | TheProf: it runs a daemon that monitors consolekit killing accounts and it also listens on the network to let LTSP create guest sessions but doesn't change anything on the system itself | 15:40 |
| TheProf | stgraber, OK. Does it require any configuration once installed? | 15:43 |
| stgraber | TheProf: nope, the only useful configuration it has is for the guest account part, as you won't use that, no configuration should be required | 15:44 |
| stgraber | just check that it's running (sometimes the upstart job is failing for some unknown reason) | 15:44 |
| TheProf | stgraber, great. I will try that now. Thank you | 15:45 |
| stgraber | np | 15:45 |
| TheProf | stgraber, installed successfully. So I'll wait to see once teachers log out that the processes are finally gone and all will be well! | 15:48 |
| stgraber | TheProf: it should be logging in /var/log/syslog so you can check there that it's not killing things it shouldn't | 15:52 |
| TheProf | stgraber, thank you for the help! | 15:52 |
| stgraber | np | 15:53 |
| TheProf | tailing syslog now -- so far it's killed off 4 users :) | 15:53 |
| stgraber | alkisg: hey there | 16:22 |
| alkisg | Hi stgraber, what's up? | 16:22 |
| stgraber | alkisg: looking at the Edubuntu seed quickly this morning. I have a few questions regarding epoptes | 16:22 |
| alkisg | Shoot | 16:22 |
| stgraber | alkisg: 1) should we ship it with edubuntu-kde too? 2) does it work with notify-osd? | 16:22 |
| alkisg | 1) It's been tested in KDE/oneiric, so if it doesn't work in Precise it's a bug that we should fix | 16:23 |
| alkisg | 2) It works best with notify-osd. We're not sure if we should enable notifications if notify-osd is not there, and another daemon is used, | 16:24 |
| alkisg | because those other daemons don't support adding text to an existing notification, | 16:24 |
| alkisg | and it gets annoying to have 10 notifications because 10 students logged in | 16:24 |
| stgraber | well, regarding 2) your Depends: is notification-daemon | xfce4-notifyd | 16:24 |
| stgraber | so currently epoptes brings the old notification daemon to Edubuntu, making everything look ugly :) | 16:24 |
| alkisg | $ apt-cache show notify-osd | grep ^Provides | 16:25 |
| alkisg | Provides: notification-daemon | 16:25 |
| alkisg | That's in 10.04 | 16:25 |
| alkisg | Not sure if that's the case in 12.04 too. | 16:25 |
| stgraber | the provides is there but has notification-daemon is co-installable with notify-osd, it's still being brought by epoptes | 16:26 |
| stgraber | just checking that's indeed epoptes bringing it though | 16:27 |
| alkisg | It shouldn't, it doesn't do that in previous versions | 16:27 |
| alkisg | I wonder if there's a difference in "seeds" as opposed to `apt-get install epoptes` | 16:27 |
| stgraber | yeah, there's, seeds aren't parsed by apt-get directly but by a tool called germinate | 16:28 |
| alkisg | Normally, if notify-osd is installed, the dependency is satisfied | 16:28 |
| alkisg | So no other daemon is brought in | 16:28 |
| alkisg | But if it causes a problems in seeds, we can reduce that to Suggests or whatever | 16:29 |
| stgraber | oh, actually epoptes isn't the reason why we end up with notification-daemon | 16:30 |
| stgraber | it's a bit trickier than that :) | 16:30 |
| stgraber | libvirt-bin in ubuntu-desktop seed => edubuntu-desktop seed => libvirt-bin (main) depends on libnotify4 (main) => libnotify4 (main) recommends notification-daemon (universe) | 16:31 |
| alkisg | Ouch, long chain there | 16:31 |
| stgraber | and as Edubuntu is based on Ubuntu but has universe enable, we get notification-daemon and Ubuntu doesn't ... | 16:31 |
| alkisg | But shouldn't that still be satisfied with notify-osd? | 16:31 |
| alkisg | Is it possible that that gets "parsed" before notify-osd is brought in by other packages? | 16:32 |
| stgraber | yeah, that's the problem, libnotify-bin (not libvirt-bin, that was me multi-tasking a bit too much) is being resolved before notify-osd | 16:32 |
| stgraber | I'll workaround that by adding notification-daemon to our seed blacklist, that should do the trick | 16:32 |
| highvoltage | well there's a myth busted for me. I thought ubuntu had universe enabled by default these days. | 17:08 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: we do, in the livefs and target install | 17:24 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: d-i still only has main and restricted | 17:24 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: and germinate for the flavours that don't depend on universe will only use main and restricted | 17:24 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: so nothing from universe and multiverse can get on the medias | 17:24 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ok | 18:55 |
| alkisg | highvoltage: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Precise/20221518_XQsjKJ#1598159176_TvBwpKk-A-LB | 21:13 |
| alkisg | I wonder why there wasn't any announcement at all about the photos... | 21:13 |
| stgraber | alkisg: there was but not a huge one | 21:17 |
| stgraber | alkisg: they got released 2-3 weeks after UDS | 21:17 |
| alkisg | stgraber: we've been talking about it with highvoltage about 1 month after UDS, we didn't know where to look... | 21:17 |
| alkisg | I've been monitoring uds.ubuntu.com, nothing there either | 21:17 |
| alkisg | Anyway, now I can at last blog about UDS :) | 21:18 |
| alkisg | (I wanted to have the photo with all the people with it ) | 21:18 |
| bkerensa | mhall119: Would love to ask you some questions about Edubuntu and what the team is working on ;) | 22:36 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: I'm the wrong guy to ask, I haven't been able to do anything for them in a year | 22:59 |
| mhall119 | bkerensa: ask stgraber or highvoltage | 23:00 |
| bkerensa | ok thanks :D | 23:14 |
| bkerensa | highvoltage: ^ | 23:14 |
| bkerensa | :D | 23:14 |
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