[13:41] <mhall119> highvoltage: now you'll have to put up with all my political ramblings on Facebook
[13:41]  * mhall119 evil laughs
[13:48] <highvoltage> mhall119: that's ok, I am capable of getting along with conservatives :)
[13:50] <mhall119> :)
[15:23] <TheProf> Hello.  For some reason traffic seems slow here so I'll post my question from a few days ago again.  Could someone help me with installing xexit?
[15:23] <TheProf> It's an application written by Scott Balneave that kills processes left behind when someone logs out.  I have followed the instructions here: http://www.opinsys.fi/en/killing-user-processes-with-xexit-on-ltsp-servers
[15:23] <TheProf> for adding the ppa, etc. several times but it won't work for me.  I think the issue is that I am using version 11.04 and the instructions are for a previous version.  Could someone help please?
[15:35] <stgraber> TheProf: I don't remember ever using that one so can't help much. But I wrote something very similar in ltsp-cluster-accountmanager a while ago, just installing that package should work
[15:39] <TheProf> stgraber, hello.  Does ltsp-cluster-accountmanager make any other changes to the server?
[15:40] <stgraber> TheProf: it runs a daemon that monitors consolekit killing accounts and it also listens on the network to let LTSP create guest sessions but doesn't change anything on the system itself
[15:43] <TheProf> stgraber, OK.  Does it require any configuration once installed?
[15:44] <stgraber> TheProf: nope, the only useful configuration it has is for the guest account part, as you won't use that, no configuration should be required
[15:44] <stgraber> just check that it's running (sometimes the upstart job is failing for some unknown reason)
[15:45] <TheProf> stgraber, great. I will try that now. Thank you
[15:45] <stgraber> np
[15:48] <TheProf> stgraber, installed successfully. So I'll wait to see once teachers log out that the processes are finally gone and all will be well!
[15:52] <stgraber> TheProf: it should be logging in /var/log/syslog so you can check there that it's not killing things it shouldn't
[15:52] <TheProf> stgraber, thank you for the help!
[15:53] <stgraber> np
[15:53] <TheProf> tailing syslog now -- so far it's killed off 4 users :)
[16:22] <stgraber> alkisg: hey there
[16:22] <alkisg> Hi stgraber, what's up?
[16:22] <stgraber> alkisg: looking at the Edubuntu seed quickly this morning. I have a few questions regarding epoptes
[16:22] <alkisg> Shoot
[16:22] <stgraber> alkisg: 1) should we ship it with edubuntu-kde too? 2) does it work with notify-osd?
[16:23] <alkisg> 1) It's been tested in KDE/oneiric, so if it doesn't work in Precise it's a bug that we should fix
[16:24] <alkisg> 2) It works best with notify-osd. We're not sure if we should enable notifications if notify-osd is not there, and another daemon is used,
[16:24] <alkisg> because those other daemons don't support adding text to an existing notification,
[16:24] <alkisg> and it gets annoying to have 10 notifications because 10 students logged in
[16:24] <stgraber> well, regarding 2) your Depends: is notification-daemon | xfce4-notifyd
[16:24] <stgraber> so currently epoptes brings the old notification daemon to Edubuntu, making everything look ugly :)
[16:25] <alkisg> $ apt-cache show notify-osd | grep ^Provides
[16:25] <alkisg> Provides: notification-daemon
[16:25] <alkisg> That's in 10.04
[16:25] <alkisg> Not sure if that's the case in 12.04 too.
[16:26] <stgraber> the provides is there but has notification-daemon is co-installable with notify-osd, it's still being brought by epoptes
[16:27] <stgraber> just checking that's indeed epoptes bringing it though
[16:27] <alkisg> It shouldn't, it doesn't do that in previous versions
[16:27] <alkisg> I wonder if there's a difference in "seeds" as opposed to `apt-get install epoptes`
[16:28] <stgraber> yeah, there's, seeds aren't parsed by apt-get directly but by a tool called germinate
[16:28] <alkisg> Normally, if notify-osd is installed, the dependency is satisfied
[16:28] <alkisg> So no other daemon is brought in
[16:29] <alkisg> But if it causes a problems in seeds, we can reduce that to Suggests or whatever
[16:30] <stgraber> oh, actually epoptes isn't the reason why we end up with notification-daemon
[16:30] <stgraber> it's a bit trickier than that :)
[16:31] <stgraber> libvirt-bin in ubuntu-desktop seed => edubuntu-desktop seed => libvirt-bin (main) depends on libnotify4 (main) => libnotify4 (main) recommends notification-daemon (universe)
[16:31] <alkisg> Ouch, long chain there
[16:31] <stgraber> and as Edubuntu is based on Ubuntu but has universe enable, we get notification-daemon and Ubuntu doesn't ...
[16:31] <alkisg> But shouldn't that still be satisfied with notify-osd?
[16:32] <alkisg> Is it possible that that gets "parsed" before notify-osd is brought in by other packages?
[16:32] <stgraber> yeah, that's the problem, libnotify-bin (not libvirt-bin, that was me multi-tasking a bit too much) is being resolved before notify-osd
[16:32] <stgraber> I'll workaround that by adding notification-daemon to our seed blacklist, that should do the trick
[17:08] <highvoltage> well there's a myth busted for me. I thought ubuntu had universe enabled by default these days.
[17:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: we do, in the livefs and target install
[17:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: d-i still only has main and restricted
[17:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: and germinate for the flavours that don't depend on universe will only use main and restricted
[17:24] <stgraber> highvoltage: so nothing from universe and multiverse can get on the medias
[18:55] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok
[21:13] <alkisg> highvoltage: http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Precise/20221518_XQsjKJ#1598159176_TvBwpKk-A-LB
[21:13] <alkisg> I wonder why there wasn't any announcement at all about the photos...
[21:17] <stgraber> alkisg: there was but not a huge one
[21:17] <stgraber> alkisg: they got released 2-3 weeks after UDS
[21:17] <alkisg> stgraber: we've been talking about it with highvoltage about 1 month after UDS, we didn't know where to look...
[21:17] <alkisg> I've been monitoring uds.ubuntu.com, nothing there either
[21:18] <alkisg> Anyway, now I can at last blog about UDS :)
[21:18] <alkisg> (I wanted to have the photo with all the people with it )
[22:36] <bkerensa> mhall119: Would love to ask you some questions about Edubuntu and what the team is working on ;)
[22:59] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'm the wrong guy to ask, I haven't been able to do anything for them in a year
[23:00] <mhall119> bkerensa: ask stgraber or highvoltage
[23:14] <bkerensa> ok thanks :D
[23:14] <bkerensa> highvoltage: ^
[23:14] <bkerensa> :D