[00:25] <SudoKing> how do you report a spam comment? :)
[00:27] <StevenK> File a question
[00:27] <StevenK> Or link the bug here, and we'll hide the comment
[00:29] <SudoKing> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/526303/comments/9
[00:31] <StevenK> SudoKing: I've hidden that comment. Thanks for telling us!
[00:31] <SudoKing> :)
[08:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:07] <mrevell> Hey
[09:32] <aviksil> Is there any workaround for this vcsimport failure: https://code.launchpad.net/~x3lectric/xbmc/xbmc_git_dev
[10:04] <czajkowski> bacon sandwich is the food of gods first thing in the morning
[10:15] <bigjools> czajkowski: s/first thing in the morning//
[10:16] <czajkowski> bigjools: any time of the day :)
[10:16] <czajkowski> bigjools: however I'm lacking milk to make a cuppa tea :(
[10:16] <bigjools> there you go :)
[10:18] <caribou> morning
[10:19] <caribou> quick question : how long does it takes for files to be deleted from the PPA area once they've been deleted on the web I/F ?
[10:19] <caribou> I made a mistake in my PPA so I deleted the package. Now it refuses to accept a new upload claiming that the files are there already
[10:19] <caribou> even though I deleted them
[10:21] <bigjools> caribou: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/990
[10:22] <caribou> bigjools: thanks. I should have known better & RTFM :)
[10:22] <bigjools> it's a common question :)
[10:23] <caribou> bigjools: Normal, I'm a noobie at building packages & PPA
[12:13] <ajf_> would anyone have any idea what this dependency problem is caused by? It builds fine on natty/precise/oneric/maverick. It says pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy is "BROKEN" and has an unmet dependency on dh-autoreconf
[12:13] <ajf_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/87494954/buildlog.txt.gz
[12:14] <ajf_> this is a lynx build
[12:18] <ajf_> I am using dh-autoreconf in my rules file and put it in the control file... is the problem that dh-autoreconf is only in backports and the pbuilder on launchpad won't use backports?
[12:20] <czajkowski> ajf_: morning
[12:22] <ajf_> oh, hello, you've caught me using ubuntu :oD
[12:45] <odony> gmb: hello, do you think bug 904683 could be a consequence of the build delays due to HW failure?
[12:46] <odony> gmb: not sure if this is what you mean by "build delays"... and if it is, how can we fix such a 'dead' branch?
[12:46] <gmb> odony, No, I don't think so; I think it's part of a separate bug (bug 808930, for reference) which I'm currently working on debugging.
[12:47] <gmb> odony, If you've got a stuck branch it might be worth adding a new commit (even if nothing changes; `bzr ci --unchanged` should work for you) and pushing again.
[12:48] <gmb> odony, I'll make a note on 904683 that it could be linked to 808930
[12:50] <czajkowski> ajf_: get your issue resolved?
[12:51]  * gmb notes that he wasn't official help contact today; apologies for the confusion.
[12:53] <geser> how does LP sort comments in a bug? by comment number or by creation time of the comment?
[12:56] <czajkowski> gmb: wait there is an offical day help person like canonical-is?
[13:07] <czajkowski> bigjools: you about?
[13:20] <gmb> czajkowski, Yes, though things are a bit confused this week due to vacations and sprints.
[13:21] <ajf_> Just wondering how/if I can use backports for build time dependencies in a lynx PPA build. Though, I wonder if there was some other alternative to dh-autoreconf that was supposed to be used in lynx if it's not in the main repositories.
[13:23] <gmb> geser, By creation time; the numbers are added afterwards.
[13:23] <geser> ajf_: you can let your PPA (build-)depend on other PPAs (not sure if backports work too) or you can copy the needed packages into your PPA
[13:25] <geser> gmb: ah that explains the ordering in bug #904179. what is used for comments sent my mail? the time when they got processed or when they got sent? (compare the timestamp for comment #2 with the timestamps in the activity log)
[13:26] <gmb> geser, Without digging into the mail processing code I'd guess it's the time that they're processed that's used.
[13:27] <czajkowski> gmb: ahh didn't know that was just looking for someone to help wiht ajf_ comment from 12:13
[13:28] <gmb> czajkowski, Then I'm the wrong person to ask in many, many ways :). bigjools, StevenK or wgrant would be my first stops for that one.
[13:28] <czajkowski> aye bigjools was my next ping
[13:28] <czajkowski> :)
[13:30] <geser> gmb: I found it irritating in that bug to read the comment about nothing to upload when the comment before it had a debdiff attached (until I looked at the activity log and then the comments numbers)
[13:31] <ajf_> gmb: hmm ok thanks. I may do that then. I thought dh-autoreconf had been the preferred way to do this for a while, so I'm surprised it seems to be backports for lynx, but I could be wrong there.~
[13:31] <geser> the activity log shows that they got added after that comment, yet sort before it
[13:31] <lifeless> the sort is by date
[13:31] <lifeless> we trust the send date on received email
[13:32] <lifeless> the comment numbers are allocated sequentially and represent the order received
[13:37] <gmb> One of these days I'm going to write a bzr plugin for grepping lifeless's memory.
[13:38] <bigjools> mine just needs more space
[13:38] <czajkowski> bigjools: due an upgrade eh
[13:38] <bigjools> how can he help ye czajkowski?
[13:38] <bigjools> errm "I" help
[13:38] <czajkowski> bigjools: ajf_ had a comment at 12:12
[13:39] <bigjools> I have a vague recollection of debhelper being in backports
[13:40] <bigjools> you need to go into the "edit dependencies" on the PPA page
[13:40] <bigjools> you can change where it pulls deps from Ubuntu
[13:40] <bigjools> it's normally only -updates and -security
[13:41] <bigjools> or you can copy the relevant package into the PPA if you don't want crackports
[13:42] <lifeless> gmb: this one I know due to causing the situation
[13:42] <gmb> Ah.
[13:42] <lifeless> gmb: when I fixed 'comment numbers are unstable when mails dated in the past are received'
[13:42] <lifeless> gmb: -and-
[13:43] <lifeless> gmb: when I fixed 'to render comment 1450 on bug 1, we load and lazy evaluate all 1500 comments'
[13:43] <lifeless> gmb: to avoid having to evaluate them all I stored the comment number in the db, which trivially fixed the unstable nature by storing it forever :)
[13:44] <gmb> lifeless, Right, I'm with you. Fair enough. When people say they "caused the situation" in bugs, I think back to some of the truly weird XXXs that I've removed over the years, most of which carried the name of one of two developers.
[13:44] <lifeless> gmb: then of course, I found the horror of the grouping code.
[13:44] <gmb> Heh.
[13:44] <gmb> Yes, well.
[13:44] <gmb> The least said, the better...
[13:44] <lifeless> It would be nice to shove that into the db as a directly queryable collection too
[13:44] <gmb> Agreed.
[13:44] <lifeless> which rmeinds me
[13:45] <lifeless> gmb: did you see the two bugs with jaxa comment loading?
[13:45] <gmb> Hmm. No, not that I recall.
[13:51] <ajf_> bigjools: thank you :) I'll try copying dh-autoreconf, adding a dependency on backports to the PPA seems a bit overkill for one little build time dependency.
[13:51] <lifeless> gmb: ~2 weeks back, am looking
[13:51] <ajf_> czajkowski: thanks
[13:52] <czajkowski> ajf_: np
[13:53] <gmb> lifeless, Ah, then I may well have seen them and forgotten.
[13:54] <jonnor_work> Hi. I am interested in integrating my build-bot with Launchpad. I want to trigger builds in LP from my buildbot, and get the status of the builds on completion/failure. Is there API for this?
[13:57] <jonnor_work> I found https://help.launchpad.net/API, but is it available on the launchpad.net instance?
[13:57] <lifeless> gmb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/893375
[13:57] <lifeless> jonnor_work: yes, it is
[13:58] <lifeless> gmb: bah, its a dupe. Follow the chain. Note the assignee: )
[13:58] <lifeless> gmb: also bug 818456
[13:59] <lifeless> gmb: we ave an lp-upstream-tools project ?!
[13:59] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lp-upstream-tools/+bug/334456
[14:02] <gmb> lifeless, Ahah. I've unassigned myself - not something I'm working on at the moment, sadly.
[14:04] <gmb> lifeless, Note the date on that lovely upstream-tools bug, too
[14:04] <gmb> You'd have to ask jcastro, but I don't think that that's used any more, somehow...
[14:10] <dobey> how does one unsubscribe a team from receiving bug mail on a source package with the new bugs UI? i only see a way to stop myself getting e-mails, rather than unsubscribing the team now :-/
[14:27] <mthaddon> yofel: howdy - are you doing a bunch of connections to LP codehosting at the moment?
[14:28] <mthaddon> (like some scripts or such)
[14:28] <yofel> likely
[14:28] <mthaddon> yofel: we're seeing a lot of connections as your username - can you check if it's more than usual?
[14:30] <mthaddon> and of course, now I say that I'm not seeing as much any more
[14:31] <mthaddon> or maybe I am...
[14:31] <yofel> still?
[14:31] <mthaddon> not *right now*
[14:32] <yofel> ok, then I know the source - I have a script that runs a few bzr updates regulary.
[14:32] <yofel> Seems I set it to like every 10 minutes once and never turned that back down
[14:32] <mthaddon> ah, gotcha
[14:32] <mthaddon> if you could scale it back a bit that'd be appreciated
[14:32] <yofel> sure, no problem
[14:32] <mthaddon> thx
[15:28] <odony> gmb: btw thanks for your answers, couldn't reply earlier :-)
[15:29] <gmb> odony: Np.
[15:45] <mpt> danhg, hi, are you still looking for status/importance testers?
[15:47] <odony> gmb: it definitely looks like a duplicate of bug  808930 indeed... so you're saying a new scan will be initiated for any new commit, and there's a chance the scan will not timeout next time?
[15:48] <gmb> odony, Yes, that's correct. Although I don't know how _great_ the chance of the scan not timing out actually is.
[15:50] <odony> gmb, the bug seems to data back to july, but we're only starting to experience it this week AFAICT. Branch history size would be a determining factor here? Or is it too contingent to other unpredictable load during scanner job execution to tell?
[15:51] <gmb> odony, We think it's history size that's the problem, but we're not 100% certain yet. It's definitely a death-by-SQL issue, though.
[15:51] <gmb> odony, AIUI, Launchpad still does something that bzr stopped doing years ago, which is storing the entire history rather than storing tip and walking the graph to get previous revisions.
[15:53] <odony> gmb: aww, that sounds like a tricky thing to fix :-/
[15:53] <gmb> Somewhat, yeah.
[15:53] <brendand> anything up with launchpad? i keep getting:
[15:53] <brendand> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[15:53] <brendand> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[15:53] <gmb> odony,  Luckily, I know some smart people... :)
[15:53] <brendand> connectivity and permissions are fine
[15:54] <gmb> brendand, This may be to do with an ongoing issue we're having with codehosting. I'll check.
[15:54] <brendand> gmb - thanks
[15:54] <odony> gmb: we'll probably start to experience it quite often if we've reached some critical size with some of our branches... I don't suppose you have any ETA yet?  (I hate when people ask me that question;-))
[15:55] <brendand> gmb - all better. for now
[15:56] <odony> brendand: don't have any issue pushing/pulling here, usually when that happens you just wait 5 secs and try again, hoping it was just a temporary thing
[15:56] <karni> Hi guys, I'm having ssh issues http://paste.ubuntu.com/771245/
[15:56] <brendand> odony - i tried several times
[15:56] <karni> brendand: oh, it's working now
[15:56] <karni> It failed to push for few minutes, 4 maybe
[15:56] <brendand> odony - it was there for about 5 mins
[15:56] <czajkowski> hmm topic seems to be a bit long and is getting cut off
[15:57] <odony> brendand, karni, yes apparently they have intermittent problms with codehosting, so you just wait a bit more and retry ...
[15:57] <odony> woo, I can read the topic
[15:57] <karni> odony: yup, worked this time. thanks
[15:57] <karni> cheers o/
[15:58]  * gmb wanted to make it /topic THE SKY IS FALLING | Launchpad is open source
[15:58] <odony> gmb: :-D
[15:58] <odony> gmb: regarding smart people, I'm subscribed to the lp-dev ML, perhaps I know some of them too ;-)
[15:59] <gmb> :)
[16:05] <czajkowski> gmb: glad to see you still have a sense of humour!
[16:06] <gmb> czajkowski, I very nearly left "Codehosting is erratic" but for the fact that a) that's unfair and b) ex-and-current-codehosting devs would come and kill me in my sleep.
[16:06] <czajkowski> gmb: well into the christmas spirit I see :)
[16:08] <gmb> That's me, always ready to hit a peasant with his walking cane at yuletide...
[16:08] <gmb> s/his/my
[16:08] <gmb> Personal pronouns are hard.
[16:09] <czajkowski> less than a week and I shall be back home in ireland for xmas! this time with no snow interrupting my travels! Looking forward to it
[16:10] <gmb> Fingers crossed the snow stays away for you.
[16:11] <czajkowski> hopefully, short trip as well, only home for 6 days, which'll keep the mothership off my back . then back to London
[16:14] <bigjools> czajkowski: it's going to snow 3" tonight, if you believe the met office
[16:16] <czajkowski> bigjools: nothing can be as bad as last year. hopefully...
[16:17] <bigjools> that was fun
[16:18] <czajkowski> I used other words, a lot more colourful and definately not CoC friendly to describe last years travels.
[16:18] <czajkowski> Sayting that my mum just emailed saying that had a slight snow fall last night, hoping it now melts
[16:23] <bigjools> czajkowski: I love working at home :)
[16:26] <czajkowski> bigjools: I'm sure it is handy, right now my view is of Millbank, London eye and Shell building.  Looks lovely at this hour of the evening
[16:27] <bigjools> I can see black
[16:32] <djbobbydrake> seems like launchpad is going berserk this morning
[16:36] <om26er_> "Codehosting connectivity is erratic" >> does that have any relation with extremely slow download for bzr branch ??
[18:36] <lifeless> gmb: (unused) heh, yeah.
[21:45] <dobey> ok, wtf is up with this ~osfs team?
[21:47] <dobey> spamming ~registry wasn't very bright was it
[21:48] <Ampelbein> dobey: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/181648
[21:48] <dobey> ah yeah, i see that now
[21:49] <sinzui> And I was just contemplating a change to addMember to only send users invitations as is done with teams
[21:50] <dobey> i was just pondering clicking delete ;)
[21:50] <sinzui> I would have too to end this specific issue
[21:50] <dobey> but i see gary's handling it
[21:51]  * sinzui does not hesitate to stomp on any team that adds him without asking
[21:54] <czajkowski> ah that team is still doing it, thought it was a hoax yesterday
[21:56] <dobey> well, not any more
[21:56] <czajkowski> dobey: indeed, thanks
[21:56] <dobey> thank gary_poster, not me :)
[21:57] <gary_poster> :-)
[22:52] <jterrace> do source builds have access to the network? i'm getting an error that it can't resolve a hostname
[22:53] <dobey> i don't think so
[22:53] <jterrace> so my source build downloads things
[22:53] <jterrace> i cant do that?
[22:53] <dobey> i don't think so
[22:54] <dobey> why would a source build download things?
[22:54] <jterrace> there are a ton of dependencies
[22:54] <jterrace> and our build is scripted to download dependencies when building
[22:56] <lifeless> if you need dependencies when building a .deb package, you need them either included in the source (e.g. source v3 multi-tarball) or listed as build-dependencies (with packages available for them)
[22:57] <dobey> why aren't they packaged?
[22:57] <lifeless> this is for auditability
[22:57] <lifeless> and reproducability
[22:57] <jterrace> yeah
[22:57] <jterrace> well we have patches we have to apply to some of the dependencies
[22:57] <dobey> package them as well in your ppa, and add them to Build-Depends
[22:58] <jterrace> ok
[22:58] <jterrace> will just require a lot of refactoring of our build system
[22:58] <dobey> jterrace: we (ubuntuone) do that as well; https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies has lots of things we've backported, for example. and some have patches that are also in ubuntu already