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pittiGood morning06:16
pittiRAOF, bryceh: do you know anyone, or could you do it yourself, to verify bug 885204? it's blocking another fix06:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 885204 in jockey "Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88520406:33
broderpitti: you need a tester on oneiric?06:34
pittibroder: yes, but on a system with a hybrid intel/nvidia card06:34
broderlike the system i'm using right now? :)06:35
broderone sec...06:35
RAOFI can test that on ati/intel, too.06:35
RAOFpitti: Actually, the fglrx in oneiric should (but doesn't, as far as I can tell) work in ati/intel hybrid systems.  So the SRU isn't wrong, but might be if fglrx/intel works later :)06:39
pittiRAOF: I think we only fixed the nvidia/intel combination, didn't we?06:40
broderpitti: uh, jockey 0.9.4-0ubuntu10 isn't trying to get me to install nvidia06:40
pittibut maybe we also disallow that one because it doesn't work06:40
broderand this is definitely a hybrid system06:40
RAOFpitti: That was my memory of the diff, yes, but people are talking about ati on the bug, so I'm confused :)06:40
RAOFAlso, the changelog for the precise jockey suggests that it applies to both nvidia and fglrx.06:41
pittibroder: hm; I did see it offer the nvidia driver on the test machine that RAOF gave me at DUS06:41
pittiUDS06:41
broderhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/770855/ from jockey.log looks suspicious to me06:41
pittiRAOF: ok, then I guess we did discuss it and you wanted me to apply it to both06:41
RAOFI'd test on that machine, but it currently fails to POST :(06:41
pittibroder: that's harmless; it's fixed in precise06:41
pittibroder: but that's just the abstract base class for the various versions of the nivida driver, it's meant to not be instantiable06:42
broderis it because i have libgl-blah-experimental installed?06:42
pittibroder: I thought that was gone in oneiric06:42
broderit still has llvmpipe and a couple other things06:43
RAOFnouveau's still in there, I think.06:44
RAOFOh, no.  I tell a lie.06:44
RAOFYeah, llvmpipe is the only interesting one.06:44
broderweird..."jockey-text --hardware-ids | grep v000010de" doesn't turn up anything06:44
broderbut the card is definitely there - it's in lspci06:45
broder...oh, that's because it's v000010DE, not 10de06:46
smspillazrandom question: what do people think about patching gnome-screensaver to emit a signal when it attempts to lock the screen so that unity can release any screen grabs when that happens ?06:50
smspillazrandom question 2: can we do that in an SRU ?06:50
RAOFsmspillaz: That's just a *little* bit crackful :)06:53
broderpitti: so i can't figure out why oneiric-release jockey won't prompt me to install nvidia-current06:53
broderhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/770861/ is jockey.log06:53
smspillazindeed, but the alternative of your $private showing when you use expo or scale and then walk away is probably worse06:53
broderpitti: my nvidia card is 10de:1057, which is listed in apt-cache show nvidia-current06:53
pittibroder: thanks, I'll have a look later on; I need to leave for a bit for breakfast and a haircut06:54
RAOFsmspillaz: It doesn't solve the whole problem, either - having a menu up will do the same thing.06:54
RAOFIt doesn't sound *totally* insane for an SRU, given that we plan to fix this properly in 12.04.06:55
smspillazRAOF: oh ?06:55
smspillazRAOF: what is the proper fix for it ?06:56
RAOFVT switch to lightdm :)06:56
smspillazRAOF: (I also know that it doesn't solve the whole problem)06:56
smspillazRAOF: oh, right06:56
smspillazRAOF: I think we just hate nvidia users06:57
RAOFnvidia handles VT switching.  Or does on the systems I've tried, at least.06:57
smspillazRAOF: it "handles" it06:57
RAOFWe'd need to see the actual patches, and some sort of argument that this problem gets triggered often enough to make a half-arsed solution appropriate.06:57
smspillazbug 88383606:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 883836 in unity "Password screen does not appear if WorkSpace switcher is clicked before the screen turns off" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88383606:58
smspillaz:)06:58
smspillazRAOF: I have the code working in unity side06:58
smspillazjust need to patch gnome-session or gnome-screensaver or whatever06:58
RAOFOh, you're concerned about the flicker.  Eh :P06:58
smspillazRAOF: no, as in06:59
smspillazVT switching on nvidia is known to have harmful effects in some cases iirc06:59
RAOFIt probably gets it to drop textures, doesn't it.06:59
RAOFSomething annoying like that.06:59
smspillazRAOF: yeah06:59
smspillazRAOF: it drops FBOs and stuff07:00
RAOFBut, hey!  That'll fix the unity-corruption-on-resume, right :)07:00
RAOFYou see, we're doing you a favour :P07:00
smspillazmaybe we should just force nouveau07:00
smspillazI think gpu lockups from time to time are better than what I have to deal with on nvidia07:01
broderpitti: looks like jockey isn't finding the right modaliases for nvidia-current or something: http://paste.ubuntu.com/770863/07:01
RAOFsmspillaz: You'd have to deal with all manner of other GL problems, though.  Surely?07:01
smspillazworksfinehere07:01
RAOFLikewise (when it's supported)07:02
broderpitti: wait...nvidia-current dropped my GPU? it's not showing up in apt-cache show nvidia-current anymore07:02
smspillazI mean, I have to live with the fact that maybe I'm contributing a little more to global warming than I should be, but then again all of my travel probably far outweighs the 100C degree machine I'm running on now ;-)07:02
smspillazRAOF: you can boil water with it!07:02
RAOFNot on any of the hardware I have; it starts in low-power mode here :P07:03
toabctli have a problem with a simple C-glib-hello world prog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/770862/07:03
smspillazhigh power here07:03
brodertoabctl: put the `pkg-config blah` at the end of the cmd line07:03
brodertoabctl: http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking07:04
toabctlbroder, thanks!07:04
smspillazRAOF: I am Jelly07:07
broderpitti: yeah, natty's nvidia-current claimed to support my GPU; oneiric's does not and none of the other nvidia-* drivers claim to either, so i guess i can't help after all07:10
smspillazRAOF: you know what scares me ?07:14
smspillazRAOF: its possible to watch keystrokes without a grab on xi207:14
smspillazRAOF: GPU LOCKUP!!!one07:53
pittibroder: ah, so that explains it then08:00
pittidpm: FYI, disabling langpack cronjobs for my preparation of the lucid/maverick -base refresh (for firefox updates)08:17
dpmthanks for the heads up, pitti08:18
pittidpm: we'll need to copy all packs to -updates this time (at least those which previously had firefox translations), so I'll keep the same 20110618 snapshot that we already have in maverick-proposed/-updats08:19
dpmpitti, ack. Now that we're doing more frequent FF updates that require all langpacks to be moved to -updates to prevent regressions (i.e. untranslated Firefoxes), we should perhaps start a discussion on how we test updates. On the one hand we've got regular updates for which we require a signoff and FF-related updates, which we do regardless of signoff. I'll start a thread in the translators list, but do you have any ideas on how to have a unified way08:24
dpm of testing/updating langpacks in the meantime?08:24
pittidpm: this is an one-time change for langpacks08:25
pittidpm: they move the firefox translations out of the langpacks themselves, in favour of separate firefox-l10-XX packages08:25
pittidpm: we alrady have that in natty/oneiric/precise, but lucid/maverick get the same change now because we upgrade their firefox from 3.6 to 8 (or whichever version)08:26
pittidpm: that's why I don't want to couple them with actual new LP translation data, just rebuild08:26
dpmpitti, ah, gotcha, I had forgotten we did the change from natty onwards08:26
dpmpitti, when is the update to FF 8 for maverick and lucid planned?08:28
pittidpm: should hit -proposed for the weekend08:28
pitti(both firefox and langpacks)08:28
micahgdpm: FF9, i'll fwd you the e-mail I sent earlier08:28
pittidpm: and to -updates Jan 1008:28
dpmthanks micahg and pitti08:29
rodrigo_morning08:40
pittihey rodrigo_, how are you?08:45
glatzormorning pitti mvo and rodrigo_08:50
pittihey glatzor, wie gehts?08:50
glatzorpitti, fine :) and yourself?08:51
pittigut, danke!08:51
mvohey glatzor!08:53
mvoglatzor: time for a new aptdaemon upload? what do you think?08:53
glatzormvo, would be nice08:54
glatzorchr1sccoulson, hello, have you managed to test aptdaemon trunk?08:55
Sweetsharkmoin!09:16
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pittihey Sweetshark09:21
ricotzchrisccoulson, seb128, hey, looks like glib tests are building fine now :)09:26
ricotzdesrt, ^09:27
seb128hey ricotz, pitti09:27
seb128ricotz, great!09:27
pittibonjour seb12809:27
pittihey rickspencer309:27
seb128salut rickspencer309:27
rickspencer3bonjour seb12809:27
ricotzseb128, no lock ups with the last builds https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages?field.name_filter=glib2.0&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=09:27
seb128ricotz, you dropped your workarounds?09:28
ricotzyes09:28
rickspencer3pitti, a lot of green: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20ISO%20Testing%20Dashboard/view/Daily/?09:28
pittiooh, it's back?09:28
pittiindeed09:29
pittiprecise-server-i386_dns-server regressed09:29
* pitti pokes jamespage09:29
rickspencer3pitti, but looks like bad news for your upgrade test :/09:29
pittirickspencer3: why? it didn't run, or at least finish yet09:31
rickspencer3oh?09:31
pittirickspencer3: also, I don't expect it to fully work yet, but it should get further to the next problem :)09:31
pittirickspencer3: last run was 2 days 3 hours ago09:31
rickspencer3oops, I read the last duration column as last failure :/09:31
pittirickspencer3: precise-server-i386_dns-server is fine again, too09:40
rickspencer3beauty09:40
pittirickspencer3: precise-server-ec2-daily failure caught a real problem, james is looking into it09:40
rickspencer3nice09:41
glatzorthank mvo for the upload09:51
mvothanks glatzor for all the work you put into it in the first place \o/09:52
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone10:06
bil21algud morning10:07
bil21alhave a nice day10:07
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?10:07
pittihey chrisccoulson10:08
chrisccoulsonhi seb128, i'm good thanks. start of vacation today :)10:08
chrisccoulsonhow are you?10:08
chrisccoulsonhi pitti10:08
seb128oh right10:08
seb128I'm good thanks10:08
seb128chrisccoulson, you are already on vac?10:08
seb128tonight for me ;-)10:08
chrisccoulsonseb128, yep :)10:08
seb128chrisccoulson, when you say "vacation" I read "fixing firefox testsuit and adding overlay scrollbars" :p10:08
chrisccoulsonyeah, that sounds about right10:09
seb128lol10:09
seb128joke aside to try to have some days not doing any work, it's good every now and then ;-)10:09
chrisccoulsonexcellent - no test hangs for me - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/3011452 \o/10:09
seb128do they still plan a firefox release next week?10:09
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, dec 2010:10
seb128:-(10:10
chrisccoulsonseb128, you should see the schedule for next year10:11
chrisccoulsonthere's a release on new years day!10:11
seb128lol10:11
chrisccoulsonwhich i'm sure will never actually happen ;)10:11
seb128it's automatically generated?10:11
seb128or did actually somebody put a new version on that day?10:11
chrisccoulsonseb128, it requires manual work, but it's a side effect of the 6 week release schedule ;)10:13
seb128right, it's harder to shift a week in a 6 weeks cycle than in a 6 months cycle I guess10:14
seb128but still they could shift a few days ;-)10:14
chrisccoulsonseb128, these were the release options that were discussed for the december 20th release btw - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_9/Ship_options10:33
chrisccoulsonit's a shame that we don't have that much flexibility for our packages ;)10:33
seb128chrisccoulson, do you know if other people complain as well about how much tb sucks in formatting replies to emails or handling the quoting?11:11
seb128I keep deleting the color lines and the quoting formatting which trying to get ride of useless whitespace tb puts before and after the text11:12
pittibryceh, RAOF: since two or three days ago I now get one or two display/graphics freezes a day, only SysRQ helps there (no apport report); did you hear similar reports?11:34
pittibryceh, RAOF: it's not unlikely that it coincided with the -intel 2:2.15.901-1ubuntu4 upload from last Friday11:35
pittior the 3.2.0-4.10 kernel, of course11:35
Laneyseb128: re your mail - I updated libproxy but got shot down by joss so haven't bothered to do any more on it. See the debian upgrade bug for the information.11:46
brycehpitti, we haven't been receiving bug reports about that so far11:46
brycehpitti, although on IRC I've noticed a couple people mentioning non-apport-reportable freezes11:47
seb128Laney, we discussed it yesterday, we need to do it Josselin agreed, the current version is incompatible with GNOME311:48
Laneyyeah?11:48
pittibryceh: so right now I don't know how to reproduce; ten mins ago it just happened while typing a mail vim11:48
brycehpitti, either -intel or kernel could be suspect.  Is it reproducible?  Regardless, please file a bug report manually so we can track it.11:48
seb128Laney, if you want to finish please do it that would be very welcome11:48
pittibryceh: ok, will do; I'll play around a bit for reproducing it faster11:48
seb128Laney, see bug #89303111:48
Laneyhe seemed to prefer to do nothing in the hope that people would instead turn to some other proxy solution using glib-networking11:48
brycehpitti, can you ssh in with it frozen and collect the i915 data?11:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 893031 in libproxy "Empathy is not working behind the proxy servers in Ubuntu 11.10" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89303111:48
pittibryceh: is your stress test script still anywhere?11:49
pittibryceh: ah, good idea; apport-bug x-x-v-intel will do that?11:49
* pitti -> lunch break, taking my wife to the train station; back in 1.5 h or so11:49
seb128Laney,11:49
seb128<seb128>cassidy, hey, just for info Ubuntu's libproxy is coming from debian and Np237 was reluctant to update to the new serie because it has issues apparently11:49
seb128<Np237>Well obviously since it has problems with GIO we’ll have to update it, but we’ll have an even crappier custom HTTP code11:50
seb128...11:50
seb128<Np237>seb128: but until this is done it might be worth packaging the newer libproxy11:50
seb128 11:50
seb128Laney, that's from #gnome-hackers yesterday11:50
Laneyoh nice11:50
LaneyI still had some actual questions though in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604934#1211:51
ubot2Debian bug 604934 in libproxy "Upgrade to 0.4 series" [Wishlist,Open]11:51
brycehpitti, there should be some workloads being installed in /usr/<mumble>/xdiagnose/workloads/ you could try.  They repro freezes pretty easily for me.11:51
seb128Laney, well maybe better to move from there on #debian-gnome ;-)11:51
brycehpitti, no unfortunately the generic apport hook doesn't collect the registers (perhaps it should...)  You have to collect manually in this case.11:51
Laneyone that is relevant for here is - should the gnome3 module be seeded or how do users get it?11:51
brycehpitti, /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_error_state11:52
brycehpitti, once you can reliably reproduce, downgrading first -intel and then the kernel to narrow down what is causing the lockups would be the next step.11:53
rickspencer3help!12:02
rickspencer3I just got an empathy notification that someone wants to see when I am online12:02
rickspencer3but I have no idea where to respond to it :(12:02
rickspencer3seb128, thoughts? ^12:03
seb128rickspencer3, no clue sorry12:03
rickspencer3nice12:03
seb128it's one for kenvandine12:03
rickspencer3that's what i thought12:03
rickspencer3probably not work waking him up about12:03
bil21alrickspencer3: contact with cissady in gimp.org   telepathy channel or  ask there12:12
rickspencer3hi bil21al12:13
bil21alrickspencer3:hi12:13
rickspencer3I strongly suspect that the problem is due to Ubuntu specific changes that we made, so, I'll leave cassidy out of it for now ;)12:13
bil21alok12:13
bil21alu remember me?12:13
rickspencer3thanks any way though12:13
bil21alrickspencer3:fb  bilal khan .......12:14
rickspencer3hi bil21al sure I remember you12:14
bil21alok have a nice day12:15
ricotzseb128, do you like to sponsor gnome-terminal?12:33
seb128ricotz, not now but later if nobody beats me to it, better to just ask on the channel with the url so anyone can be grabbing it12:34
ricotzseb128, alright12:35
seb128you might have a better chance with pitti or cyphermox or kenvandine today, I'm trying to finish stuff before the end of year break12:35
ricotzsomeone feel free to sponsor lp:~ricotz/gnome-terminal/ubuntu12:35
ricotzhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ricotz/gnome-terminal/ubuntu/+merge/8585012:37
pittibryceh: ok, thanks; will od that!13:07
pittirickspencer3: right, I got the same; after two weeks or so of constantly notifying me I finally got an actual entry in empathy's contact list13:07
* kenvandine waves13:20
* kenvandine heads afk for a couple hours, bbl13:20
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GunnarHjpitti: Hi Martin! Any time soon to spend on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/precise/accountsservice/lang-fix/+merge/82505 (and the related l-s MP)? I think (hope) they are in uploadable shapes now.13:24
* mdeslaur hugs seb128 for fixing annoying unity enter bug13:34
seb128mdeslaur, yw ;-) does the fix work for you? (it works for me=13:35
mdeslaurseb128: it seem to, yes. I'm commenting in the bug now.13:35
tjaaltonthe screen locks in precise even though I've told in the prefs not to do that. is it a known regression, or if not, where to submit a bug?13:35
seb128mdeslaur, thanks ;-)13:36
seb128tjaalton, when?13:37
tjaaltonseb128: after the screen turns "off"13:37
seb128tjaalton, it was doing the same in oneiric? mdeslaur made suspend, switch user etc force lock and not respect the option13:37
tjaaltonoh13:37
tjaaltonnot sure anymore13:37
mdeslaurtjaalton: do you mean when you suspend?13:37
tjaaltonwonder how to disable it then, needed for testing13:37
tjaaltonmdeslaur: no, when I leave it for a few min13:38
mdeslaurtjaalton: ah, no, that's supposed to work13:38
seb128right, that's supposed to13:38
tjaaltonyeah I figured13:38
seb128GNOME didn't change in precise13:38
seb128so it's a bit weird13:38
mdeslaurtjaalton: System setting/Screen/Lock is Off?13:38
tjaaltonmdeslaur: yes13:38
mdeslaurtjaalton: bug.13:39
tjaaltonright, which component is it then? :)13:39
mdeslaurtjaalton: file it under gnome-screensaver for now13:39
tjaaltonok, i'll try with a clean user account first13:40
ograhmpf ... i have about 80 subfolders in my imap inbox, is there any global way to recieve mails for them apart from selecting each of them individually and checking "always check this folder" in the single folder properties ?13:42
ograin thunderbird that is13:42
seb128ogra: email client?13:42
seb128"known bug"13:42
seb128don't do server side filtering13:42
ograTB, evo always did that automatically13:42
ograhmm, not really userfriendly ... but i'm only testing it anyway, TB is way to heavyweight13:43
ogradoing client side filtering on an arm machine with 512M of ram isnt an option if you have above half a mio. mails in your account :)13:44
tjaaltonmdeslaur: meh, works with a clean user13:45
mdeslaurtjaalton: :(13:45
Sweetsharkpitti: LibreOffice merge/MIR galore, brace for impact.13:49
pittiGunnarHj: hello! I saw your MP updates indeed13:51
pittiricotz: I'll have a look ASAP, thanks for the merge!13:51
ricotzpitti, thanks (something easy before doing libreoffice ;))13:52
pittiSweetshark: xulrunner-dev is a definitive no-go; you probably want to build against firefox-dev13:53
Sweetsharkpitti: I am currently missing:  libgraphite2-dev (>= 0.9.3) libexttextcat-dev (>= 3.1.1) libbase-java libsac-java libxml-java (>= 1.1.6) libflute-java (>= 1.1.6) libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java (>= 0.9.4) liblayout-java (>= 0.2.10) libloader-java (>= 1.1.6) libformula-java (>= 1.1.7) librepository-java (>= 1.1.6) libfonts-java (>= 1.1.6) libserializer-java (>= 1.1.6) xulrunner-dev libsampleicc-dev libicc-utils2 liblucene2-java (>=2.3.13:54
pittiSweetshark: weird that libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java comes up again; we last shipped it in hardy, then it got removed entirely13:54
pittibut it seems it's in sid again13:54
Sweetsharkyes, that firefox-dev is already fixed.13:54
Sweetsharkpitti: a lot of that stuff seems to be coming from reportdesigner, maybe we disabled it inbetween?13:55
pittiSweetshark: perhaps as a first step, yes13:56
* Sweetshark could try that for now to get a beta build.13:56
pittiso that we don't get blocked by all the MIRs, syncs, etc.13:56
pittiSweetshark: you can chheck with "rmadison" which of these libraries were in main before; those which were are trivial to put back13:56
tjaaltonmdeslaur: go figure, resetting the values with dconf-editor and flicking the switch back to "off" seems to have helped..13:58
mdeslaurtjaalton: that's odd...any chance you dumped the values before doing that?13:58
mdeslaurwas there a broken value in there?13:58
tjaaltonmdeslaur: of course not :) I'll see if modifying the lock time breaks it again13:59
mdeslaurtjaalton: :)13:59
pitticyphermox: FYI, bug 893420, libpst is in oneiric-proposed main now, so you can go ahead14:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 893420 in evolution "PST import no longer available after update to Oneiric" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89342014:00
cyphermoxpitti: ah, thanks!14:00
chrisccoulsonis code hosting broken for anyone else?14:01
chrisccoulsoni can't push my branches14:01
pittiConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying14:01
pittichrisccoulson: I just got that on checkout; but a second try worked14:02
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's what i keep getting when i try to push14:02
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pittiright, seems push is broken14:08
pittichrisccoulson: did you already poke #launchpad?14:08
chrisccoulsonpitti, not yet, just doing that now14:08
pittiricotz: waiting with the upload until bzr works again14:09
ricotzpitti, ok14:10
pittiricotz: ok, pushed14:12
pittiricotz: thanks!14:13
ricotzpitti, thanks14:14
chrisccoulsonhmmm, zeitgeist-daemon keeps chewing my CPU in precise by spamming the session bus :(14:16
tjaaltonmdeslaur: nope, no change even after playing with the values14:16
mdeslaurtjaalton: oh well14:17
tjaaltonmaybe I'll just wait for it to happen again. i recall having the same during oneiric at some point, on another laptop14:17
seb128chrisccoulson, do you have an audio CD in the cd drive or something?14:21
seb128chrisccoulson, somebody had a bug like that before14:22
seb128that was spamming zg with gvfs events for some reason14:22
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah14:22
ricotz(seb128, transitioning to wayland will be harder than 3.4 ;) )14:22
seb128ricotz, indeed ;-)14:22
seb128chrisccoulson, that was it?14:23
seb128mhr3, ^14:23
chrisccoulsonseb128, i haven't tried yet, 1 second14:23
chrisccoulson(i killed zeitgeist-daemon in the meantime though)14:23
jincreatorpitti: Hi, could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jincreator/language-selector/korean_settings/+merge/72897 if you can? I think it's ready. Also, sorry about my mistake at testing with fonts-nanum...14:28
mhr3chrisccoulson, audio cd?14:31
chrisccoulsonmhr3, yeah14:32
chrisccoulsongnome-system-monitor does the same thing when i have an audio cd inserted too14:32
mhr3see, it's not zg's fault :)14:33
pittijincreator: queueing14:33
chrisccoulsonmhr3, no, it's compiz's fault14:33
chrisccoulsonit's always compiz :)14:33
mhr3oh right, yea :)14:34
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm glad we have compiz, it used to be gtk's fault and people were looking at me by then :p14:37
chrisccoulsonlol14:37
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kenvandineLaney, i heard you wanted to do the libproxy update, that would be awesome!15:56
Laneymore than that, I /did/ do it15:56
Laneyit isn't entirely complete though, and I want people to review it because I'm not convinced about the approach15:57
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Laneyplease see the debian bug for the repo link and tell me what you think15:57
Laney:-)15:57
kenvandineLaney, awesome, will do!15:57
kenvandineLaney, lots of negative comments on that bug... urg!16:02
Laneyapparently joss has come around16:02
Laneyaccording to seb12816:02
Laneybut yeah, it was pretty demotivating which is why I never bothered to follow it through16:03
seb128he still doesn't like libproxy and want to kill it be it agree we can as well upgrade until that happens16:03
kenvandineit can't be more broken than we are16:03
Laneyindeed16:03
seb128be it -> but he16:03
Laneyit's not as if it will be hard to de-libproxify apps when the 'real solution' gets created16:03
Laneythe api is so simple16:03
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kenvandineLaney, i don't see a debian branch for 0.4.7, just the upstream branch16:14
Laneyhttp://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/laney/libproxy.git;a=tree;f=debian;h=6768fe5403b7be2adc32a1199721e6277633fff2;hb=HEAD ?16:14
kenvandineoh... the changelog still says 0.316:15
Laneyoh, yeah, sorry16:15
LaneyI use git-dch for that; git-dch --auto --snapshot16:15
Laneyor just make a fake entry16:15
kenvandinewill do16:15
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: I am failing to build LO because of a missing npapi.h header although I have firefox-dev installed. Any ideas?16:28
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: I somehow feel this is a deja vu ....16:28
Sweetsharkhmmm, firefox-dev seems to install npapi.h, but does not install either libxul or npapi-sdk entries for pkg-config. Does any have a good suggestion on how to solve this? I could have around the ./configure check, but that is not what I would consider a "good solution" ....17:06
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: strange, on oneiric "dpkg-query -S /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxul.pc" returns "firefox-dev", however in my precise pbuilder the *.pc file is missing.17:11
chrisccoulsonSweetshark, oh, it's using the libxul pkgconfig file?17:11
chrisccoulsoni got rid of that :)17:11
Sweetsharkevil you!17:11
chrisccoulsonthe last thing that should have been using it stopped using it now ;)17:11
chrisccoulsonSweetshark, it's building a plugin isn't it?17:12
Sweetsharkyes17:12
chrisccoulsonif that's the case, then mozilla-plugin.pc is more appropriate :)17:12
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: and it looks for either npapi-sdk or libxul.17:12
chrisccoulsonah, that will be why it doesn't work then :)17:13
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: sure17:13
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: if you steal libxul from me in pkgconfig, is npapi-sdk somewhere around in main?17:14
rickspencer3seb128, you are famous: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-desktop-team-suggest-ubuntu-spin-using-gnome-shell-by-default/17:15
Sweetsharkchrisccoulson: or some other pkgconfig pkg i could use (and fix into upstream)?17:15
seb128rickspencer3, lol17:15
chrisccoulsonSweetshark, mozilla-plugin *should* work for what you want17:15
seb128rickspencer3, well I'm glad they picked up the call for contributors and listed some of the other stuff :p17:16
chrisccoulsonseb128, so, we're switching to gnome-shell by default?17:21
chrisccoulsonthat's how i read it! ;)17:21
chrisccoulsonheh17:21
Sweetsharkrickspencer3: now thats a trollbait.17:21
Sweetsharkseb128: if thats the case I would sleep a lot better wrt libreoffice-unity-integration17:22
seb128chrisccoulson, that makes you happy? ;-)17:24
chrisccoulsoni tried shell again a couple of days ago17:25
korbenhello17:25
chrisccoulsonhaving extensions.gnome.org and being able to install extensions through my browser is really neat :)17:25
chrisccoulsoni still like unity though ;)17:25
seb128chrisccoulson, it's neat yeah, I'm not sure why I need that to be able to shut down my computer though: p17:26
seb128chrisccoulson, i.e that doesn't replace a good default experience17:26
chrisccoulsonyeah, that bit definitely sucks17:26
bjsniderthe shut down button is available if you hit the alt key17:27
chrisccoulsonthat doesn't make it any better17:27
seb128chrisccoulson, now I wonder how they will handle all the bug reports coming from people using random third party code17:29
bjsniderof course everybody installs the extension which suggests there's a problem17:29
seb128it must be fun to figure what comes from the base code or from modifications17:29
seb128it will also make documentation "fun" :p17:29
bjsniderit's easy17:29
chrisccoulsonseb128, they'll have to introduce a blocklist system like mozilla ;)17:29
bjsniderlooking glass tells you if an extension is causing problems17:29
seb128chrisccoulson, mozilla is still tracking stuff making the browser leak17:30
seb128bjsnider, in some measure, it's hard to tell what is i.e leaking17:30
seb128or taking cpu cycles17:30
seb128"or that code is doing nn wakups and eating my battery"17:30
bjsnideryes, i thought you meant crashes17:30
seb128no, any sort of issue17:31
seb128slowness, wakeup, weird behaviour17:31
seb128cpu use17:31
bjsniderwell, at least extensions can be easily enabled and disabled in tweak-tool17:31
bjsniderso by process of elimination problems could be found17:31
seb128right17:33
seb128well ask the mozilla guys, third party code in your product does create issues17:34
seb128it does bring good stuff as well ;-)17:34
bjsniderthey control the extensions site so if thre's a problem one can be taken down17:34
seb128I'm just not convinced that it's required for a desktop shell17:34
bjsnideri dunno, people are complaining that they can't customize things anymore17:35
seb128yeah, some people do I'm sure17:36
bjsnideryou used to be able to take gnome and make it look like osx or something even more extreme and with unity/gnome-shell that's not possible anymore17:37
dobeywell now it just looks like osx by default17:38
dobeyso you don't need to make it look like osx ;)17:38
seb128bjsnider, right, well how many user do that and how many just use whatever is installed without even looking to the ui or knowing they can change anything17:39
seb128bjsnider, most people I know never tweak anything on their windows, they use it as it came17:39
seb128they just start programs17:39
bjsnideron windows?17:40
seb128yes17:40
bjsnideror linux?17:40
bjsnideroh, you can't really customize windows like that17:40
seb128on windows, I don't know enough non geek linux users :p17:40
dobeyyes you can17:40
bjsniderthem themes are all basically alike17:40
dobeyyou can customize windows to look like osx if you want17:40
seb128bjsnider, well it means out of technical current linux users people might not care that much about customization17:40
seb128bjsnider, so yes it's maybe an issue with part of the technical community17:41
seb128but it's not an issue for most of the world17:41
dobeypeople who want customization are going to customize it anyway17:41
bjsniderdobey, are you talking about with "windoblinds" or whatever that app is called?17:41
dobeythat's one app that does stuff on windows, yes17:42
seb128well I for one don't care much about customization, I use applications, I don't spent my day looking at the panels ;-)17:42
dobeythere are thousands of others as well17:42
dobeyfor instance, on my windows xp install, i am using tango style icons for everything17:42
bjsniderall those things do is draw icons and stuff on top of the win9x look, but that old look is still there17:42
dobeybjsnider: not true17:42
dobeybjsnider: some do, but not all of them17:42
seb128it's also interesting that GNOME cares enough about their UI that they didn't want distro to change the wallpaper or users to change the theme17:43
seb128but that they let you change the shell now through a website ;-)17:43
bjsniderif you turn the "themes" service off you'll have win9x17:43
dobeybjsnider: many replace explorer.exe as the shell; so no different than running blackbox instead of unity, on ubuntu, really17:43
bjsnideryou actually need a service running to get a modern look in windows17:43
dobeyyou just need to use windows 7 to get a modern look in windows17:43
dobeyif by "modern" you mean "shiny useless crap" anyway17:44
bjsniderwell, newer than windows 9517:44
dobeywindows really isn't all that different from linux, in regards to how all that works17:44
bjsnideryou need a themes service running in linux?17:45
dobeyyes17:45
dobeyin so much as you think you need one in windows, anyway17:45
dobeybecause you don't17:46
dobeymove gnome-settings-daemon out of the way, and see what your system looks like after you restart :)17:46
bjsniderno, i meant that if you turn that service off in xp/vista you get a windows9x/2000 look. they need a service specifically to draw the newer look overtop of the older one17:52
dobeyturn of gnome-settings-daemon. your system will look like windows 9517:53
dobeybut i don't see your point either17:53
dobeyhaving a service running or not is irrelevant to the argument that unity/gnome-shell is not customizable17:53
dobeyi don't like unity or gnome-shell either, but customizable is very low on my list of arguments against them17:55
bjsnideri've seen it used here and there17:56
dobeythe customization argument? yes, but not by me17:56
bjsnidermy original point was the extensions might be a way for the gnome devs to appease expert users on the customization issue17:57
dobeynot entirely, but yes. though not particularly relevant for ubuntu i guess. they will be usable for sure, but since ubuntu isn't using gnome as the shell, it's not particularly relevant is it? unless you're arguing that we should drop unity and replace it with gnome-shell because of that17:59
dobeyand if you are, good luck with that :)17:59
dobeyi think it's been made abundantly clear that ubuntu isn't going to switch away from unity17:59
bjsnideri'm not arguing anything. it was just a point made in a discussion where someone asked why the gnome devs though extensions were a good idea18:01
seb128oh we didn't argue on "why" they do do it18:02
seb128what I was pointing is that it has a good side but a less good one as well18:02
dobeyalso, an ironic side ;)18:03
seb128especially where they tell you can't change your theme because it's would look how it was designed :p18:05
seb128wouldn't18:05
kenvandineLaney, well libproxy at least works now :)18:05
kenvandineso much better than before, for sure18:05
gusionshello to everybody18:13
gusionsi would contribute to Gnobuntell18:13
dobeykenvandine: ooh, do we have a new version now?18:14
pittigood night everyone!18:17
kenvandinedobey, not yet18:18
kenvandinewe're working on it :)18:18
dobeykenvandine: awesome! :)18:19
kenvandineit still causes python segfaults with multi cpu18:19
chrisccoulsonGnobuntell?18:21
dobeygnobuntu i think18:22
dobeyit's all jorge's fault ;)18:23
gusionsok18:23
gusionshow can i hel you ? :D18:24
gusionshelp*18:25
gusionswould be so nice :D18:25
gusionsi only use gnome 3.218:25
gusionson ubuntu oneiric18:25
jonasPlattehey guys :) i'd also like to participate in Gnobuntell / gnobuntu / gubuntu / however :D18:27
gusionsahah +1 jonas18:27
jonasPlatteme also i'm using gnome 3.2 ;) did you already check out https://extensions.gnome.org/ ?18:29
gusionsfor sure18:33
jonasPlattei really like it the only thing that is not that good are extensions that have no "development page" with a download (like the binary clock)18:34
jonasPlattedo you know if there is any way to get these extensions installed in ubuntu?18:35
gusionsyou should search it on your desktop18:35
gusionshave already installed one?18:35
dobeyjonasPlatte: if you are in gnome-shell, just click on them inside firefox or epiphany, afaik, and they will install18:37
jonasPlatteyeah extended-places-menu, alternative-status-menu and user-theme from the webupd8-ppa and the capslock-thing + music integration from the website18:37
gusionsyou need to find it?18:38
jonasPlattedobey: thanks, used opera before, will test now :)18:38
gusionsops ok nice18:38
jonasPlatteopera is really not the best supported browser in ubuntu :/ but i just can't live without it :P18:39
Laneykenvandine: nice18:39
Laneyif you want to make fixes you can push a git repo somewhere and i'll merge it18:40
kenvandineLaney, i had to add a patch to make it use mozjs18518:40
kenvandineLaney, sure, i need to finish some other stuff this afternoon, but hopefully i can work on it more in the morning18:40
Laneyclearly at least -DWITH_GNOME3 needs to change18:41
Laneycool18:41
kenvandineLaney, thx for doing the hard part!  i'll get you a branch or a patch when i can :)18:41
gusionsthis project have a lp page?18:41
Laneymaybe we could preemptively multiarch it too18:43
jonasPlattethe website just works partitially for me. it lets me turn on and off my installed extensions but i can't install new ones :S18:43
gusionsops my connection was in down18:45
seb128hey gusions, jonasPlatte18:45
seb128is there anything in particular you would like to work on?18:45
seb128did you do packaging before? or do you want to do testing, bug triage ...?18:46
gusionsi'm able to package18:46
jonasPlattethe only thing i'm sure i can do is testing18:46
gusionsi'm so good to translate in italian, write guides18:46
gusionstutorials18:46
jonasPlattei am also able to write a little program but i think i can't handle any program with more than 500 lines of code yet ^^18:47
gusionspromotion in italian word18:47
jonasPlatteyeah and i could translate some wiki-pages into german18:47
gusionsworld*18:47
seb128gusions, is there any source in GNOME you would like to look after, or update or bug triage?18:47
jonasPlattebtw, website now works, i just had to wait a little bit until the extension was downloaded (just very slow connection)18:48
gusionsseb128 not in particular18:49
seb128jonasPlatte, testing is useful, there is no a lot of work yet on a gnome-shell variant to test but I guess you could start by testing the archive version and report bugs about it18:49
jonasPlatteseb128: yeah i would do gladly, where do i find that archive version (and how big is it)?18:50
seb128jonasPlatte, do you use Ubuntu? what I mean by archive version is "install the gnome-shell packages, restart in a gnome-shell session" and see what works or not18:51
seb128jonasPlatte, you can by example see if you confirm or not issues reported on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs18:51
gusionsseb128 in past i collaborated with elementary team18:52
gusionsas bug reporter18:52
gusionswriters18:52
jonasPlatteyeah i use ubuntu, i also have gnome-shell installed, and i'm using it right now ;) could be my non-perfect understanding of english ^^18:52
gusionsetc etc.18:52
seb128gusions, well, I would recommend you pick a source which is not uptodate and try to update it and submit a merge request to start18:53
seb128jonasPlatte, ok, that's a good start, so maybe you can do some bug triage, like look at some of the bugs in the url I gave and see if you can confirm the issue they describe or not and comment on the bugs?18:53
gusionscould you suggest me a source?18:53
gusionslike rhythmbox?18:54
jonasPlatteokay thanks i'll see what i can do :)18:54
seb128jonasPlatte, thanks18:56
seb128gusions, rhythmbox is uptodate18:56
seb128gusions, you can check on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html18:56
seb128everything which is red or orange could be update18:56
seb128you can click on the + next to the package column to get extra sources18:56
seb128gusions, you could pick i.e gnome-applets18:57
seb128or gnome-panel for example18:57
gusionsok18:57
gusionswhat exactly i do ?18:57
gusionsi have to go19:02
gusionsse  u later19:02
RAOFpitti: Ah!  Someone else!  I think you're likely to be seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/903654 which is, I think, 3.2.0-4 related.21:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 903654 in linux "[i915] x200s locks up hard about once an hour" [Medium,Confirmed]21:11
stgraberRAOF: I can definitely +1, x201s21:14
RAOFstgraber: I haven't tried the newest kernel, but 3.2.0-2 works.21:14
stgraberI booted an older kernel (3.2.0-3) so I can work :)21:14
RAOFAha.  So, that's where I get to start my bisect.21:15
stgraberyeah, I've been running Precise since the week before UDS, only -4 caused that issue21:15
stgraberit happened somewhere between 3.2.0-3.9 and 3.2.0-4.1021:16
mterry_sprintingpitti, do you need to approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-unity-greeter before it shows up in the status tracker?22:07
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dobeymterry_sprinting: hey; where are you sprinting at, btw?22:18
mterry_sprintingdobey, Lexington!  Woo!22:19
dobeyheh22:19
dobeyis it snowy there?22:19
mterry_sprintingdobey, no.  cold, but no snow, thankfully22:25
dobeyheh22:26
brycehsmspillaz, heya bug #843958 was set to fix committed beginning of november, but I've repro'd the issue on today's unity in precise; is the fix still pending for an upcoming unity roll out, or should that be bug be set back to triaged?22:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 843958 in ayatana-design "multimonitor , window management - Multi-Monitor Maximized Difficulty" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84395822:32
brycehlooks like it's targeted to unity 5.0 but I'm on 4.24, so presumably this is pending on unity 5.0?22:34
Sarvattstgraber, RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/903654/comments/422:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 903654 in linux "[i915] x200s locks up hard about once an hour" [Medium,Confirmed]22:53
brycehpitti, retracer did not handle bug 904940 properly; I am concerned that a combination of a few oddities may be preventing compiz crashes from getting auto-reported23:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 904940 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGABRT while changing external monitor configuration" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90494023:11

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