[06:16] <pitti> Good morning
[06:33] <pitti> RAOF, bryceh: do you know anyone, or could you do it yourself, to verify bug 885204? it's blocking another fix
[06:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885204 in jockey "Recommending proprietary driver on hybrid systems can break 3D" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885204
[06:34] <broder> pitti: you need a tester on oneiric?
[06:34] <pitti> broder: yes, but on a system with a hybrid intel/nvidia card
[06:35] <broder> like the system i'm using right now? :)
[06:35] <broder> one sec...
[06:35] <RAOF> I can test that on ati/intel, too.
[06:39] <RAOF> pitti: Actually, the fglrx in oneiric should (but doesn't, as far as I can tell) work in ati/intel hybrid systems.  So the SRU isn't wrong, but might be if fglrx/intel works later :)
[06:40] <pitti> RAOF: I think we only fixed the nvidia/intel combination, didn't we?
[06:40] <broder> pitti: uh, jockey 0.9.4-0ubuntu10 isn't trying to get me to install nvidia
[06:40] <pitti> but maybe we also disallow that one because it doesn't work
[06:40] <broder> and this is definitely a hybrid system
[06:40] <RAOF> pitti: That was my memory of the diff, yes, but people are talking about ati on the bug, so I'm confused :)
[06:41] <RAOF> Also, the changelog for the precise jockey suggests that it applies to both nvidia and fglrx.
[06:41] <pitti> broder: hm; I did see it offer the nvidia driver on the test machine that RAOF gave me at DUS
[06:41] <pitti> UDS
[06:41] <broder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/770855/ from jockey.log looks suspicious to me
[06:41] <pitti> RAOF: ok, then I guess we did discuss it and you wanted me to apply it to both
[06:41] <RAOF> I'd test on that machine, but it currently fails to POST :(
[06:41] <pitti> broder: that's harmless; it's fixed in precise
[06:42] <pitti> broder: but that's just the abstract base class for the various versions of the nivida driver, it's meant to not be instantiable
[06:42] <broder> is it because i have libgl-blah-experimental installed?
[06:42] <pitti> broder: I thought that was gone in oneiric
[06:43] <broder> it still has llvmpipe and a couple other things
[06:44] <RAOF> nouveau's still in there, I think.
[06:44] <RAOF> Oh, no.  I tell a lie.
[06:44] <RAOF> Yeah, llvmpipe is the only interesting one.
[06:44] <broder> weird..."jockey-text --hardware-ids | grep v000010de" doesn't turn up anything
[06:45] <broder> but the card is definitely there - it's in lspci
[06:46] <broder> ...oh, that's because it's v000010DE, not 10de
[06:50] <smspillaz> random question: what do people think about patching gnome-screensaver to emit a signal when it attempts to lock the screen so that unity can release any screen grabs when that happens ?
[06:50] <smspillaz> random question 2: can we do that in an SRU ?
[06:53] <RAOF> smspillaz: That's just a *little* bit crackful :)
[06:53] <broder> pitti: so i can't figure out why oneiric-release jockey won't prompt me to install nvidia-current
[06:53] <broder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/770861/ is jockey.log
[06:53] <smspillaz> indeed, but the alternative of your $private showing when you use expo or scale and then walk away is probably worse
[06:53] <broder> pitti: my nvidia card is 10de:1057, which is listed in apt-cache show nvidia-current
[06:54] <pitti> broder: thanks, I'll have a look later on; I need to leave for a bit for breakfast and a haircut
[06:54] <RAOF> smspillaz: It doesn't solve the whole problem, either - having a menu up will do the same thing.
[06:55] <RAOF> It doesn't sound *totally* insane for an SRU, given that we plan to fix this properly in 12.04.
[06:55] <smspillaz> RAOF: oh ?
[06:56] <smspillaz> RAOF: what is the proper fix for it ?
[06:56] <RAOF> VT switch to lightdm :)
[06:56] <smspillaz> RAOF: (I also know that it doesn't solve the whole problem)
[06:56] <smspillaz> RAOF: oh, right
[06:57] <smspillaz> RAOF: I think we just hate nvidia users
[06:57] <RAOF> nvidia handles VT switching.  Or does on the systems I've tried, at least.
[06:57] <smspillaz> RAOF: it "handles" it
[06:57] <RAOF> We'd need to see the actual patches, and some sort of argument that this problem gets triggered often enough to make a half-arsed solution appropriate.
[06:58] <smspillaz> bug 883836
[06:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 883836 in unity "Password screen does not appear if WorkSpace switcher is clicked before the screen turns off" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883836
[06:58] <smspillaz> :)
[06:58] <smspillaz> RAOF: I have the code working in unity side
[06:58] <smspillaz> just need to patch gnome-session or gnome-screensaver or whatever
[06:58] <RAOF> Oh, you're concerned about the flicker.  Eh :P
[06:59] <smspillaz> RAOF: no, as in
[06:59] <smspillaz> VT switching on nvidia is known to have harmful effects in some cases iirc
[06:59] <RAOF> It probably gets it to drop textures, doesn't it.
[06:59] <RAOF> Something annoying like that.
[06:59] <smspillaz> RAOF: yeah
[07:00] <smspillaz> RAOF: it drops FBOs and stuff
[07:00] <RAOF> But, hey!  That'll fix the unity-corruption-on-resume, right :)
[07:00] <RAOF> You see, we're doing you a favour :P
[07:00] <smspillaz> maybe we should just force nouveau
[07:01] <smspillaz> I think gpu lockups from time to time are better than what I have to deal with on nvidia
[07:01] <broder> pitti: looks like jockey isn't finding the right modaliases for nvidia-current or something: http://paste.ubuntu.com/770863/
[07:01] <RAOF> smspillaz: You'd have to deal with all manner of other GL problems, though.  Surely?
[07:01] <smspillaz> worksfinehere
[07:02] <RAOF> Likewise (when it's supported)
[07:02] <broder> pitti: wait...nvidia-current dropped my GPU? it's not showing up in apt-cache show nvidia-current anymore
[07:02] <smspillaz> I mean, I have to live with the fact that maybe I'm contributing a little more to global warming than I should be, but then again all of my travel probably far outweighs the 100C degree machine I'm running on now ;-)
[07:02] <smspillaz> RAOF: you can boil water with it!
[07:03] <RAOF> Not on any of the hardware I have; it starts in low-power mode here :P
[07:03] <toabctl> i have a problem with a simple C-glib-hello world prog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/770862/
[07:03] <smspillaz> high power here
[07:03] <broder> toabctl: put the `pkg-config blah` at the end of the cmd line
[07:04] <broder> toabctl: http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking
[07:04] <toabctl> broder, thanks!
[07:07] <smspillaz> RAOF: I am Jelly
[07:10] <broder> pitti: yeah, natty's nvidia-current claimed to support my GPU; oneiric's does not and none of the other nvidia-* drivers claim to either, so i guess i can't help after all
[07:14] <smspillaz> RAOF: you know what scares me ?
[07:14] <smspillaz> RAOF: its possible to watch keystrokes without a grab on xi2
[07:53] <smspillaz> RAOF: GPU LOCKUP!!!one
[08:00] <pitti> broder: ah, so that explains it then
[08:17] <pitti> dpm: FYI, disabling langpack cronjobs for my preparation of the lucid/maverick -base refresh (for firefox updates)
[08:18] <dpm> thanks for the heads up, pitti
[08:19] <pitti> dpm: we'll need to copy all packs to -updates this time (at least those which previously had firefox translations), so I'll keep the same 20110618 snapshot that we already have in maverick-proposed/-updats
[08:24] <dpm> pitti, ack. Now that we're doing more frequent FF updates that require all langpacks to be moved to -updates to prevent regressions (i.e. untranslated Firefoxes), we should perhaps start a discussion on how we test updates. On the one hand we've got regular updates for which we require a signoff and FF-related updates, which we do regardless of signoff. I'll start a thread in the translators list, but do you have any ideas on how to have a unified way
[08:24] <dpm>  of testing/updating langpacks in the meantime?
[08:25] <pitti> dpm: this is an one-time change for langpacks
[08:25] <pitti> dpm: they move the firefox translations out of the langpacks themselves, in favour of separate firefox-l10-XX packages
[08:26] <pitti> dpm: we alrady have that in natty/oneiric/precise, but lucid/maverick get the same change now because we upgrade their firefox from 3.6 to 8 (or whichever version)
[08:26] <pitti> dpm: that's why I don't want to couple them with actual new LP translation data, just rebuild
[08:26] <dpm> pitti, ah, gotcha, I had forgotten we did the change from natty onwards
[08:28] <dpm> pitti, when is the update to FF 8 for maverick and lucid planned?
[08:28] <pitti> dpm: should hit -proposed for the weekend
[08:28] <pitti> (both firefox and langpacks)
[08:28] <micahg> dpm: FF9, i'll fwd you the e-mail I sent earlier
[08:28] <pitti> dpm: and to -updates Jan 10
[08:29] <dpm> thanks micahg and pitti
[08:40] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:45] <pitti> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[08:50] <glatzor> morning pitti mvo and rodrigo_
[08:50] <pitti> hey glatzor, wie gehts?
[08:51] <glatzor> pitti, fine :) and yourself?
[08:51] <pitti> gut, danke!
[08:53] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[08:53] <mvo> glatzor: time for a new aptdaemon upload? what do you think?
[08:54] <glatzor> mvo, would be nice
[08:55] <glatzor> chr1sccoulson, hello, have you managed to test aptdaemon trunk?
[09:16] <Sweetshark> moin!
[09:21] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[09:26] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, seb128, hey, looks like glib tests are building fine now :)
[09:27] <ricotz> desrt, ^
[09:27] <seb128> hey ricotz, pitti
[09:27] <seb128> ricotz, great!
[09:27] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:27] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[09:27] <seb128> salut rickspencer3
[09:27] <rickspencer3> bonjour seb128
[09:27] <ricotz> seb128, no lock ups with the last builds https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages?field.name_filter=glib2.0&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[09:28] <seb128> ricotz, you dropped your workarounds?
[09:28] <ricotz> yes
[09:28] <rickspencer3> pitti, a lot of green: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20ISO%20Testing%20Dashboard/view/Daily/?
[09:28] <pitti> ooh, it's back?
[09:29] <pitti> indeed
[09:29] <pitti> precise-server-i386_dns-server regressed
[09:29]  * pitti pokes jamespage
[09:29] <rickspencer3> pitti, but looks like bad news for your upgrade test :/
[09:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: why? it didn't run, or at least finish yet
[09:31] <rickspencer3> oh?
[09:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: also, I don't expect it to fully work yet, but it should get further to the next problem :)
[09:31] <pitti> rickspencer3: last run was 2 days 3 hours ago
[09:31] <rickspencer3> oops, I read the last duration column as last failure :/
[09:40] <pitti> rickspencer3: precise-server-i386_dns-server is fine again, too
[09:40] <rickspencer3> beauty
[09:40] <pitti> rickspencer3: precise-server-ec2-daily failure caught a real problem, james is looking into it
[09:41] <rickspencer3> nice
[09:51] <glatzor> thank mvo for the upload
[09:52] <mvo> thanks glatzor for all the work you put into it in the first place \o/
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:07] <bil21al> gud morning
[10:07] <bil21al> have a nice day
[10:07] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[10:08] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm good thanks. start of vacation today :)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[10:08] <seb128> oh right
[10:08] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[10:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are already on vac?
[10:08] <seb128> tonight for me ;-)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yep :)
[10:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, when you say "vacation" I read "fixing firefox testsuit and adding overlay scrollbars" :p
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds about right
[10:09] <seb128> lol
[10:09] <seb128> joke aside to try to have some days not doing any work, it's good every now and then ;-)
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> excellent - no test hangs for me - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/3011452 \o/
[10:09] <seb128> do they still plan a firefox release next week?
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, dec 20
[10:10] <seb128> :-(
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you should see the schedule for next year
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> there's a release on new years day!
[10:11] <seb128> lol
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> which i'm sure will never actually happen ;)
[10:11] <seb128> it's automatically generated?
[10:11] <seb128> or did actually somebody put a new version on that day?
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it requires manual work, but it's a side effect of the 6 week release schedule ;)
[10:14] <seb128> right, it's harder to shift a week in a 6 weeks cycle than in a 6 months cycle I guess
[10:14] <seb128> but still they could shift a few days ;-)
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, these were the release options that were discussed for the december 20th release btw - https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_9/Ship_options
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> it's a shame that we don't have that much flexibility for our packages ;)
[11:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you know if other people complain as well about how much tb sucks in formatting replies to emails or handling the quoting?
[11:12] <seb128> I keep deleting the color lines and the quoting formatting which trying to get ride of useless whitespace tb puts before and after the text
[11:34] <pitti> bryceh, RAOF: since two or three days ago I now get one or two display/graphics freezes a day, only SysRQ helps there (no apport report); did you hear similar reports?
[11:35] <pitti> bryceh, RAOF: it's not unlikely that it coincided with the -intel 2:2.15.901-1ubuntu4 upload from last Friday
[11:35] <pitti> or the 3.2.0-4.10 kernel, of course
[11:46] <Laney> seb128: re your mail - I updated libproxy but got shot down by joss so haven't bothered to do any more on it. See the debian upgrade bug for the information.
[11:46] <bryceh> pitti, we haven't been receiving bug reports about that so far
[11:47] <bryceh> pitti, although on IRC I've noticed a couple people mentioning non-apport-reportable freezes
[11:48] <seb128> Laney, we discussed it yesterday, we need to do it Josselin agreed, the current version is incompatible with GNOME3
[11:48] <Laney> yeah?
[11:48] <pitti> bryceh: so right now I don't know how to reproduce; ten mins ago it just happened while typing a mail vim
[11:48] <bryceh> pitti, either -intel or kernel could be suspect.  Is it reproducible?  Regardless, please file a bug report manually so we can track it.
[11:48] <seb128> Laney, if you want to finish please do it that would be very welcome
[11:48] <pitti> bryceh: ok, will do; I'll play around a bit for reproducing it faster
[11:48] <seb128> Laney, see bug #893031
[11:48] <Laney> he seemed to prefer to do nothing in the hope that people would instead turn to some other proxy solution using glib-networking
[11:48] <bryceh> pitti, can you ssh in with it frozen and collect the i915 data?
[11:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893031 in libproxy "Empathy is not working behind the proxy servers in Ubuntu 11.10" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893031
[11:49] <pitti> bryceh: is your stress test script still anywhere?
[11:49] <pitti> bryceh: ah, good idea; apport-bug x-x-v-intel will do that?
[11:49]  * pitti -> lunch break, taking my wife to the train station; back in 1.5 h or so
[11:49] <seb128> Laney,
	cassidy, hey, just for info Ubuntu's libproxy is coming from debian and Np237 was reluctant to update to the new serie because it has issues apparently
	Well obviously since it has problems with GIO we’ll have to update it, but we’ll have an even crappier custom HTTP code
[11:50] <seb128> ...
	seb128: but until this is done it might be worth packaging the newer libproxy
[11:50] <seb128>  
[11:50] <seb128> Laney, that's from #gnome-hackers yesterday
[11:50] <Laney> oh nice
[11:51] <Laney> I still had some actual questions though in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=604934#12
[11:51] <ubot2> Debian bug 604934 in libproxy "Upgrade to 0.4 series" [Wishlist,Open]
[11:51] <bryceh> pitti, there should be some workloads being installed in /usr/<mumble>/xdiagnose/workloads/ you could try.  They repro freezes pretty easily for me.
[11:51] <seb128> Laney, well maybe better to move from there on #debian-gnome ;-)
[11:51] <bryceh> pitti, no unfortunately the generic apport hook doesn't collect the registers (perhaps it should...)  You have to collect manually in this case.
[11:51] <Laney> one that is relevant for here is - should the gnome3 module be seeded or how do users get it?
[11:52] <bryceh> pitti, /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_error_state
[11:53] <bryceh> pitti, once you can reliably reproduce, downgrading first -intel and then the kernel to narrow down what is causing the lockups would be the next step.
[12:02] <rickspencer3> help!
[12:02] <rickspencer3> I just got an empathy notification that someone wants to see when I am online
[12:02] <rickspencer3> but I have no idea where to respond to it :(
[12:03] <rickspencer3> seb128, thoughts? ^
[12:03] <seb128> rickspencer3, no clue sorry
[12:03] <rickspencer3> nice
[12:03] <seb128> it's one for kenvandine
[12:03] <rickspencer3> that's what i thought
[12:03] <rickspencer3> probably not work waking him up about
[12:12] <bil21al> rickspencer3: contact with cissady in gimp.org   telepathy channel or  ask there
[12:13] <rickspencer3> hi bil21al
[12:13] <bil21al> rickspencer3:hi
[12:13] <rickspencer3> I strongly suspect that the problem is due to Ubuntu specific changes that we made, so, I'll leave cassidy out of it for now ;)
[12:13] <bil21al> ok
[12:13] <bil21al> u remember me?
[12:13] <rickspencer3> thanks any way though
[12:14] <bil21al> rickspencer3:fb  bilal khan .......
[12:14] <rickspencer3> hi bil21al sure I remember you
[12:15] <bil21al> ok have a nice day
[12:33] <ricotz> seb128, do you like to sponsor gnome-terminal?
[12:34] <seb128> ricotz, not now but later if nobody beats me to it, better to just ask on the channel with the url so anyone can be grabbing it
[12:35] <ricotz> seb128, alright
[12:35] <seb128> you might have a better chance with pitti or cyphermox or kenvandine today, I'm trying to finish stuff before the end of year break
[12:35] <ricotz> someone feel free to sponsor lp:~ricotz/gnome-terminal/ubuntu
[12:37] <ricotz> https://code.launchpad.net/~ricotz/gnome-terminal/ubuntu/+merge/85850
[13:07] <pitti> bryceh: ok, thanks; will od that!
[13:07] <pitti> rickspencer3: right, I got the same; after two weeks or so of constantly notifying me I finally got an actual entry in empathy's contact list
[13:20]  * kenvandine waves
[13:20]  * kenvandine heads afk for a couple hours, bbl
[13:24] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin! Any time soon to spend on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/precise/accountsservice/lang-fix/+merge/82505 (and the related l-s MP)? I think (hope) they are in uploadable shapes now.
[13:34]  * mdeslaur hugs seb128 for fixing annoying unity enter bug
[13:35] <seb128> mdeslaur, yw ;-) does the fix work for you? (it works for me=
[13:35] <mdeslaur> seb128: it seem to, yes. I'm commenting in the bug now.
[13:35] <tjaalton> the screen locks in precise even though I've told in the prefs not to do that. is it a known regression, or if not, where to submit a bug?
[13:36] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks ;-)
[13:37] <seb128> tjaalton, when?
[13:37] <tjaalton> seb128: after the screen turns "off"
[13:37] <seb128> tjaalton, it was doing the same in oneiric? mdeslaur made suspend, switch user etc force lock and not respect the option
[13:37] <tjaalton> oh
[13:37] <tjaalton> not sure anymore
[13:37] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: do you mean when you suspend?
[13:37] <tjaalton> wonder how to disable it then, needed for testing
[13:38] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: no, when I leave it for a few min
[13:38] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: ah, no, that's supposed to work
[13:38] <seb128> right, that's supposed to
[13:38] <tjaalton> yeah I figured
[13:38] <seb128> GNOME didn't change in precise
[13:38] <seb128> so it's a bit weird
[13:38] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: System setting/Screen/Lock is Off?
[13:38] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: yes
[13:39] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: bug.
[13:39] <tjaalton> right, which component is it then? :)
[13:39] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: file it under gnome-screensaver for now
[13:40] <tjaalton> ok, i'll try with a clean user account first
[13:42] <ogra> hmpf ... i have about 80 subfolders in my imap inbox, is there any global way to recieve mails for them apart from selecting each of them individually and checking "always check this folder" in the single folder properties ?
[13:42] <ogra> in thunderbird that is
[13:42] <seb128> ogra: email client?
[13:42] <seb128> "known bug"
[13:42] <seb128> don't do server side filtering
[13:42] <ogra> TB, evo always did that automatically
[13:43] <ogra> hmm, not really userfriendly ... but i'm only testing it anyway, TB is way to heavyweight
[13:44] <ogra> doing client side filtering on an arm machine with 512M of ram isnt an option if you have above half a mio. mails in your account :)
[13:45] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: meh, works with a clean user
[13:45] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: :(
[13:49] <Sweetshark> pitti: LibreOffice merge/MIR galore, brace for impact.
[13:51] <pitti> GunnarHj: hello! I saw your MP updates indeed
[13:51] <pitti> ricotz: I'll have a look ASAP, thanks for the merge!
[13:52] <ricotz> pitti, thanks (something easy before doing libreoffice ;))
[13:53] <pitti> Sweetshark: xulrunner-dev is a definitive no-go; you probably want to build against firefox-dev
[13:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: I am currently missing:  libgraphite2-dev (>= 0.9.3) libexttextcat-dev (>= 3.1.1) libbase-java libsac-java libxml-java (>= 1.1.6) libflute-java (>= 1.1.6) libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java (>= 0.9.4) liblayout-java (>= 0.2.10) libloader-java (>= 1.1.6) libformula-java (>= 1.1.7) librepository-java (>= 1.1.6) libfonts-java (>= 1.1.6) libserializer-java (>= 1.1.6) xulrunner-dev libsampleicc-dev libicc-utils2 liblucene2-java (>=2.3.
[13:54] <pitti> Sweetshark: weird that libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java comes up again; we last shipped it in hardy, then it got removed entirely
[13:54] <pitti> but it seems it's in sid again
[13:54] <Sweetshark> yes, that firefox-dev is already fixed.
[13:55] <Sweetshark> pitti: a lot of that stuff seems to be coming from reportdesigner, maybe we disabled it inbetween?
[13:56] <pitti> Sweetshark: perhaps as a first step, yes
[13:56]  * Sweetshark could try that for now to get a beta build.
[13:56] <pitti> so that we don't get blocked by all the MIRs, syncs, etc.
[13:56] <pitti> Sweetshark: you can chheck with "rmadison" which of these libraries were in main before; those which were are trivial to put back
[13:58] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: go figure, resetting the values with dconf-editor and flicking the switch back to "off" seems to have helped..
[13:58] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: that's odd...any chance you dumped the values before doing that?
[13:58] <mdeslaur> was there a broken value in there?
[13:59] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: of course not :) I'll see if modifying the lock time breaks it again
[13:59] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: :)
[14:00] <pitti> cyphermox: FYI, bug 893420, libpst is in oneiric-proposed main now, so you can go ahead
[14:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893420 in evolution "PST import no longer available after update to Oneiric" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893420
[14:00] <cyphermox> pitti: ah, thanks!
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> is code hosting broken for anyone else?
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> i can't push my branches
[14:01] <pitti> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[14:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I just got that on checkout; but a second try worked
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's what i keep getting when i try to push
[14:08] <pitti> right, seems push is broken
[14:08] <pitti> chrisccoulson: did you already poke #launchpad?
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> pitti, not yet, just doing that now
[14:09] <pitti> ricotz: waiting with the upload until bzr works again
[14:10] <ricotz> pitti, ok
[14:12] <pitti> ricotz: ok, pushed
[14:13] <pitti> ricotz: thanks!
[14:14] <ricotz> pitti, thanks
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, zeitgeist-daemon keeps chewing my CPU in precise by spamming the session bus :(
[14:16] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: nope, no change even after playing with the values
[14:17] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: oh well
[14:17] <tjaalton> maybe I'll just wait for it to happen again. i recall having the same during oneiric at some point, on another laptop
[14:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you have an audio CD in the cd drive or something?
[14:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, somebody had a bug like that before
[14:22] <seb128> that was spamming zg with gvfs events for some reason
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah
[14:22] <ricotz> (seb128, transitioning to wayland will be harder than 3.4 ;) )
[14:22] <seb128> ricotz, indeed ;-)
[14:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that was it?
[14:23] <seb128> mhr3, ^
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i haven't tried yet, 1 second
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> (i killed zeitgeist-daemon in the meantime though)
[14:28] <jincreator> pitti: Hi, could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jincreator/language-selector/korean_settings/+merge/72897 if you can? I think it's ready. Also, sorry about my mistake at testing with fonts-nanum...
[14:31] <mhr3> chrisccoulson, audio cd?
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> mhr3, yeah
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> gnome-system-monitor does the same thing when i have an audio cd inserted too
[14:33] <mhr3> see, it's not zg's fault :)
[14:33] <pitti> jincreator: queueing
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> mhr3, no, it's compiz's fault
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> it's always compiz :)
[14:34] <mhr3> oh right, yea :)
[14:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm glad we have compiz, it used to be gtk's fault and people were looking at me by then :p
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> lol
[15:56] <kenvandine> Laney, i heard you wanted to do the libproxy update, that would be awesome!
[15:56] <Laney> more than that, I /did/ do it
[15:57] <Laney> it isn't entirely complete though, and I want people to review it because I'm not convinced about the approach
[15:57] <Laney> please see the debian bug for the repo link and tell me what you think
[15:57] <Laney> :-)
[15:57] <kenvandine> Laney, awesome, will do!
[16:02] <kenvandine> Laney, lots of negative comments on that bug... urg!
[16:02] <Laney> apparently joss has come around
[16:02] <Laney> according to seb128
[16:03] <Laney> but yeah, it was pretty demotivating which is why I never bothered to follow it through
[16:03] <seb128> he still doesn't like libproxy and want to kill it be it agree we can as well upgrade until that happens
[16:03] <kenvandine> it can't be more broken than we are
[16:03] <Laney> indeed
[16:03] <seb128> be it -> but he
[16:03] <Laney> it's not as if it will be hard to de-libproxify apps when the 'real solution' gets created
[16:03] <Laney> the api is so simple
[16:14] <kenvandine> Laney, i don't see a debian branch for 0.4.7, just the upstream branch
[16:14] <Laney> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/laney/libproxy.git;a=tree;f=debian;h=6768fe5403b7be2adc32a1199721e6277633fff2;hb=HEAD ?
[16:15] <kenvandine> oh... the changelog still says 0.3
[16:15] <Laney> oh, yeah, sorry
[16:15] <Laney> I use git-dch for that; git-dch --auto --snapshot
[16:15] <Laney> or just make a fake entry
[16:15] <kenvandine> will do
[16:28] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: I am failing to build LO because of a missing npapi.h header although I have firefox-dev installed. Any ideas?
[16:28] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: I somehow feel this is a deja vu ....
[17:06] <Sweetshark> hmmm, firefox-dev seems to install npapi.h, but does not install either libxul or npapi-sdk entries for pkg-config. Does any have a good suggestion on how to solve this? I could have around the ./configure check, but that is not what I would consider a "good solution" ....
[17:11] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: strange, on oneiric "dpkg-query -S /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxul.pc" returns "firefox-dev", however in my precise pbuilder the *.pc file is missing.
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, oh, it's using the libxul pkgconfig file?
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> i got rid of that :)
[17:11] <Sweetshark> evil you!
[17:11] <chrisccoulson> the last thing that should have been using it stopped using it now ;)
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, it's building a plugin isn't it?
[17:12] <Sweetshark> yes
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> if that's the case, then mozilla-plugin.pc is more appropriate :)
[17:12] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: and it looks for either npapi-sdk or libxul.
[17:13] <chrisccoulson> ah, that will be why it doesn't work then :)
[17:13] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: sure
[17:14] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: if you steal libxul from me in pkgconfig, is npapi-sdk somewhere around in main?
[17:15] <rickspencer3> seb128, you are famous: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-desktop-team-suggest-ubuntu-spin-using-gnome-shell-by-default/
[17:15] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: or some other pkgconfig pkg i could use (and fix into upstream)?
[17:15] <seb128> rickspencer3, lol
[17:15] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, mozilla-plugin *should* work for what you want
[17:16] <seb128> rickspencer3, well I'm glad they picked up the call for contributors and listed some of the other stuff :p
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128, so, we're switching to gnome-shell by default?
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> that's how i read it! ;)
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:21] <Sweetshark> rickspencer3: now thats a trollbait.
[17:22] <Sweetshark> seb128: if thats the case I would sleep a lot better wrt libreoffice-unity-integration
[17:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that makes you happy? ;-)
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> i tried shell again a couple of days ago
[17:25] <korben> hello
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> having extensions.gnome.org and being able to install extensions through my browser is really neat :)
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> i still like unity though ;)
[17:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's neat yeah, I'm not sure why I need that to be able to shut down my computer though: p
[17:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, i.e that doesn't replace a good default experience
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that bit definitely sucks
[17:27] <bjsnider> the shut down button is available if you hit the alt key
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> that doesn't make it any better
[17:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, now I wonder how they will handle all the bug reports coming from people using random third party code
[17:29] <bjsnider> of course everybody installs the extension which suggests there's a problem
[17:29] <seb128> it must be fun to figure what comes from the base code or from modifications
[17:29] <seb128> it will also make documentation "fun" :p
[17:29] <bjsnider> it's easy
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, they'll have to introduce a blocklist system like mozilla ;)
[17:29] <bjsnider> looking glass tells you if an extension is causing problems
[17:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, mozilla is still tracking stuff making the browser leak
[17:30] <seb128> bjsnider, in some measure, it's hard to tell what is i.e leaking
[17:30] <seb128> or taking cpu cycles
[17:30] <seb128> "or that code is doing nn wakups and eating my battery"
[17:30] <bjsnider> yes, i thought you meant crashes
[17:31] <seb128> no, any sort of issue
[17:31] <seb128> slowness, wakeup, weird behaviour
[17:31] <seb128> cpu use
[17:31] <bjsnider> well, at least extensions can be easily enabled and disabled in tweak-tool
[17:31] <bjsnider> so by process of elimination problems could be found
[17:33] <seb128> right
[17:34] <seb128> well ask the mozilla guys, third party code in your product does create issues
[17:34] <seb128> it does bring good stuff as well ;-)
[17:34] <bjsnider> they control the extensions site so if thre's a problem one can be taken down
[17:34] <seb128> I'm just not convinced that it's required for a desktop shell
[17:35] <bjsnider> i dunno, people are complaining that they can't customize things anymore
[17:36] <seb128> yeah, some people do I'm sure
[17:37] <bjsnider> you used to be able to take gnome and make it look like osx or something even more extreme and with unity/gnome-shell that's not possible anymore
[17:38] <dobey> well now it just looks like osx by default
[17:38] <dobey> so you don't need to make it look like osx ;)
[17:39] <seb128> bjsnider, right, well how many user do that and how many just use whatever is installed without even looking to the ui or knowing they can change anything
[17:39] <seb128> bjsnider, most people I know never tweak anything on their windows, they use it as it came
[17:39] <seb128> they just start programs
[17:40] <bjsnider> on windows?
[17:40] <seb128> yes
[17:40] <bjsnider> or linux?
[17:40] <bjsnider> oh, you can't really customize windows like that
[17:40] <seb128> on windows, I don't know enough non geek linux users :p
[17:40] <dobey> yes you can
[17:40] <bjsnider> them themes are all basically alike
[17:40] <dobey> you can customize windows to look like osx if you want
[17:40] <seb128> bjsnider, well it means out of technical current linux users people might not care that much about customization
[17:41] <seb128> bjsnider, so yes it's maybe an issue with part of the technical community
[17:41] <seb128> but it's not an issue for most of the world
[17:41] <dobey> people who want customization are going to customize it anyway
[17:41] <bjsnider> dobey, are you talking about with "windoblinds" or whatever that app is called?
[17:42] <dobey> that's one app that does stuff on windows, yes
[17:42] <seb128> well I for one don't care much about customization, I use applications, I don't spent my day looking at the panels ;-)
[17:42] <dobey> there are thousands of others as well
[17:42] <dobey> for instance, on my windows xp install, i am using tango style icons for everything
[17:42] <bjsnider> all those things do is draw icons and stuff on top of the win9x look, but that old look is still there
[17:42] <dobey> bjsnider: not true
[17:42] <dobey> bjsnider: some do, but not all of them
[17:43] <seb128> it's also interesting that GNOME cares enough about their UI that they didn't want distro to change the wallpaper or users to change the theme
[17:43] <seb128> but that they let you change the shell now through a website ;-)
[17:43] <bjsnider> if you turn the "themes" service off you'll have win9x
[17:43] <dobey> bjsnider: many replace explorer.exe as the shell; so no different than running blackbox instead of unity, on ubuntu, really
[17:43] <bjsnider> you actually need a service running to get a modern look in windows
[17:43] <dobey> you just need to use windows 7 to get a modern look in windows
[17:44] <dobey> if by "modern" you mean "shiny useless crap" anyway
[17:44] <bjsnider> well, newer than windows 95
[17:44] <dobey> windows really isn't all that different from linux, in regards to how all that works
[17:45] <bjsnider> you need a themes service running in linux?
[17:45] <dobey> yes
[17:45] <dobey> in so much as you think you need one in windows, anyway
[17:46] <dobey> because you don't
[17:46] <dobey> move gnome-settings-daemon out of the way, and see what your system looks like after you restart :)
[17:52] <bjsnider> no, i meant that if you turn that service off in xp/vista you get a windows9x/2000 look. they need a service specifically to draw the newer look overtop of the older one
[17:53] <dobey> turn of gnome-settings-daemon. your system will look like windows 95
[17:53] <dobey> but i don't see your point either
[17:53] <dobey> having a service running or not is irrelevant to the argument that unity/gnome-shell is not customizable
[17:55] <dobey> i don't like unity or gnome-shell either, but customizable is very low on my list of arguments against them
[17:56] <bjsnider> i've seen it used here and there
[17:56] <dobey> the customization argument? yes, but not by me
[17:57] <bjsnider> my original point was the extensions might be a way for the gnome devs to appease expert users on the customization issue
[17:59] <dobey> not entirely, but yes. though not particularly relevant for ubuntu i guess. they will be usable for sure, but since ubuntu isn't using gnome as the shell, it's not particularly relevant is it? unless you're arguing that we should drop unity and replace it with gnome-shell because of that
[17:59] <dobey> and if you are, good luck with that :)
[17:59] <dobey> i think it's been made abundantly clear that ubuntu isn't going to switch away from unity
[18:01] <bjsnider> i'm not arguing anything. it was just a point made in a discussion where someone asked why the gnome devs though extensions were a good idea
[18:02] <seb128> oh we didn't argue on "why" they do do it
[18:02] <seb128> what I was pointing is that it has a good side but a less good one as well
[18:03] <dobey> also, an ironic side ;)
[18:05] <seb128> especially where they tell you can't change your theme because it's would look how it was designed :p
[18:05] <seb128> wouldn't
[18:05] <kenvandine> Laney, well libproxy at least works now :)
[18:05] <kenvandine> so much better than before, for sure
[18:13] <gusions> hello to everybody
[18:13] <gusions> i would contribute to Gnobuntell
[18:14] <dobey> kenvandine: ooh, do we have a new version now?
[18:17] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:18] <kenvandine> dobey, not yet
[18:18] <kenvandine> we're working on it :)
[18:19] <dobey> kenvandine: awesome! :)
[18:19] <kenvandine> it still causes python segfaults with multi cpu
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> Gnobuntell?
[18:22] <dobey> gnobuntu i think
[18:23] <dobey> it's all jorge's fault ;)
[18:23] <gusions> ok
[18:24] <gusions> how can i hel you ? :D
[18:25] <gusions> help*
[18:25] <gusions> would be so nice :D
[18:25] <gusions> i only use gnome 3.2
[18:25] <gusions> on ubuntu oneiric
[18:27] <jonasPlatte> hey guys :) i'd also like to participate in Gnobuntell / gnobuntu / gubuntu / however :D
[18:27] <gusions> ahah +1 jonas
[18:29] <jonasPlatte> me also i'm using gnome 3.2 ;) did you already check out https://extensions.gnome.org/ ?
[18:33] <gusions> for sure
[18:34] <jonasPlatte> i really like it the only thing that is not that good are extensions that have no "development page" with a download (like the binary clock)
[18:35] <jonasPlatte> do you know if there is any way to get these extensions installed in ubuntu?
[18:35] <gusions> you should search it on your desktop
[18:35] <gusions> have already installed one?
[18:37] <dobey> jonasPlatte: if you are in gnome-shell, just click on them inside firefox or epiphany, afaik, and they will install
[18:37] <jonasPlatte> yeah extended-places-menu, alternative-status-menu and user-theme from the webupd8-ppa and the capslock-thing + music integration from the website
[18:38] <gusions> you need to find it?
[18:38] <jonasPlatte> dobey: thanks, used opera before, will test now :)
[18:38] <gusions> ops ok nice
[18:39] <jonasPlatte> opera is really not the best supported browser in ubuntu :/ but i just can't live without it :P
[18:39] <Laney> kenvandine: nice
[18:40] <Laney> if you want to make fixes you can push a git repo somewhere and i'll merge it
[18:40] <kenvandine> Laney, i had to add a patch to make it use mozjs185
[18:40] <kenvandine> Laney, sure, i need to finish some other stuff this afternoon, but hopefully i can work on it more in the morning
[18:41] <Laney> clearly at least -DWITH_GNOME3 needs to change
[18:41] <Laney> cool
[18:41] <kenvandine> Laney, thx for doing the hard part!  i'll get you a branch or a patch when i can :)
[18:41] <gusions> this project have a lp page?
[18:43] <Laney> maybe we could preemptively multiarch it too
[18:43] <jonasPlatte> the website just works partitially for me. it lets me turn on and off my installed extensions but i can't install new ones :S
[18:45] <gusions> ops my connection was in down
[18:45] <seb128> hey gusions, jonasPlatte
[18:45] <seb128> is there anything in particular you would like to work on?
[18:46] <seb128> did you do packaging before? or do you want to do testing, bug triage ...?
[18:46] <gusions> i'm able to package
[18:46] <jonasPlatte> the only thing i'm sure i can do is testing
[18:46] <gusions> i'm so good to translate in italian, write guides
[18:46] <gusions> tutorials
[18:47] <jonasPlatte> i am also able to write a little program but i think i can't handle any program with more than 500 lines of code yet ^^
[18:47] <gusions> promotion in italian word
[18:47] <jonasPlatte> yeah and i could translate some wiki-pages into german
[18:47] <gusions> world*
[18:47] <seb128> gusions, is there any source in GNOME you would like to look after, or update or bug triage?
[18:48] <jonasPlatte> btw, website now works, i just had to wait a little bit until the extension was downloaded (just very slow connection)
[18:49] <gusions> seb128 not in particular
[18:49] <seb128> jonasPlatte, testing is useful, there is no a lot of work yet on a gnome-shell variant to test but I guess you could start by testing the archive version and report bugs about it
[18:50] <jonasPlatte> seb128: yeah i would do gladly, where do i find that archive version (and how big is it)?
[18:51] <seb128> jonasPlatte, do you use Ubuntu? what I mean by archive version is "install the gnome-shell packages, restart in a gnome-shell session" and see what works or not
[18:51] <seb128> jonasPlatte, you can by example see if you confirm or not issues reported on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs
[18:52] <gusions> seb128 in past i collaborated with elementary team
[18:52] <gusions> as bug reporter
[18:52] <gusions> writers
[18:52] <jonasPlatte> yeah i use ubuntu, i also have gnome-shell installed, and i'm using it right now ;) could be my non-perfect understanding of english ^^
[18:52] <gusions> etc etc.
[18:53] <seb128> gusions, well, I would recommend you pick a source which is not uptodate and try to update it and submit a merge request to start
[18:53] <seb128> jonasPlatte, ok, that's a good start, so maybe you can do some bug triage, like look at some of the bugs in the url I gave and see if you can confirm the issue they describe or not and comment on the bugs?
[18:53] <gusions> could you suggest me a source?
[18:54] <gusions> like rhythmbox?
[18:54] <jonasPlatte> okay thanks i'll see what i can do :)
[18:56] <seb128> jonasPlatte, thanks
[18:56] <seb128> gusions, rhythmbox is uptodate
[18:56] <seb128> gusions, you can check on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html
[18:56] <seb128> everything which is red or orange could be update
[18:56] <seb128> you can click on the + next to the package column to get extra sources
[18:57] <seb128> gusions, you could pick i.e gnome-applets
[18:57] <seb128> or gnome-panel for example
[18:57] <gusions> ok
[18:57] <gusions> what exactly i do ?
[19:02] <gusions> i have to go
[19:02] <gusions> se  u later
[21:11] <RAOF> pitti: Ah!  Someone else!  I think you're likely to be seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/903654 which is, I think, 3.2.0-4 related.
[21:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 903654 in linux "[i915] x200s locks up hard about once an hour" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:14] <stgraber> RAOF: I can definitely +1, x201s
[21:14] <RAOF> stgraber: I haven't tried the newest kernel, but 3.2.0-2 works.
[21:14] <stgraber> I booted an older kernel (3.2.0-3) so I can work :)
[21:15] <RAOF> Aha.  So, that's where I get to start my bisect.
[21:15] <stgraber> yeah, I've been running Precise since the week before UDS, only -4 caused that issue
[21:16] <stgraber> it happened somewhere between 3.2.0-3.9 and 3.2.0-4.10
[22:07] <mterry_sprinting> pitti, do you need to approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-unity-greeter before it shows up in the status tracker?
[22:18] <dobey> mterry_sprinting: hey; where are you sprinting at, btw?
[22:19] <mterry_sprinting> dobey, Lexington!  Woo!
[22:19] <dobey> heh
[22:19] <dobey> is it snowy there?
[22:25] <mterry_sprinting> dobey, no.  cold, but no snow, thankfully
[22:26] <dobey> heh
[22:32] <bryceh> smspillaz, heya bug #843958 was set to fix committed beginning of november, but I've repro'd the issue on today's unity in precise; is the fix still pending for an upcoming unity roll out, or should that be bug be set back to triaged?
[22:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 843958 in ayatana-design "multimonitor , window management - Multi-Monitor Maximized Difficulty" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/843958
[22:34] <bryceh> looks like it's targeted to unity 5.0 but I'm on 4.24, so presumably this is pending on unity 5.0?
[22:53] <Sarvatt> stgraber, RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/903654/comments/4
[22:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 903654 in linux "[i915] x200s locks up hard about once an hour" [Medium,Confirmed]
[23:11] <bryceh> pitti, retracer did not handle bug 904940 properly; I am concerned that a combination of a few oddities may be preventing compiz crashes from getting auto-reported
[23:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 904940 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGABRT while changing external monitor configuration" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904940