[00:06] <hads> Meh, a week after shifting to IMAP+ on Evolution things have gone downhill. All of a sudden it can't remember my IMAP passwords anymore which is relatively annoying.
[00:08] <ibeardslee> just the problem with passwords or IMAP+ has gone bad?
[00:09] <ibeardslee> My problem I had when I tried IMAP+ was forgetting to change the port :(
[00:10] <hads> Just the passwords problem, and it magically marks messages as unread when moving folders occasionally. Both problems have appeared on two different boxes.
[00:11] <hads> Having a password dialog popup every few minutes is a little tedius though.
[00:31] <ibeardslee> yeah that would be quite suck .. so the solution is to remember or change your passwords?
[00:50]  * G hands hads a muttrc file :P
[04:35] <hads> I do have a muttrc, I've just never got into CLI mail for some reason.
[04:43] <mwhudson> i've never really got other the "wtf is going on" point with mutt
[04:47] <ojwb> it's a pretty standard email UI
[05:10] <G> I only got used to mutt after I had used irssi for a good few years, plus running mutt against local maildir is so much better than remote imap :)
[07:12] <hads> I've used irssi for years, mutt not enough yet to make it stick
[18:33] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:40] <chilts> morning
[19:27] <ajmitch> morning
[19:37] <chilts> I didn't realise that Oracle had 'retired' the license for distributors to distribute Java
[19:37] <chilts> I don't use or need it, but it's pretty sad
[19:38] <chilts> though I guess that'll mean the openjdk will get better as people fix things (I hope)
[19:39] <lifeless> hmm, whatnow?
[19:46] <chilts> lifeless: just got this one sent out to Security Announce - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[19:47] <lifeless> wow
[19:47] <lifeless> oracle stuuupid
[19:48] <ajmitch> they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot like that, since they know they'll rake in money from other places
[19:49] <ibeardslee> yeap .. add that to this .. http://www.techworld.com.au/article/410298/university_accuses_oracle_extortion_lies_rigged_demo_lawsuit
[19:50] <ajmitch> there's no shortage of examples of oracle being bad
[19:51] <chilts> indeed
[19:56] <lifeless> http://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the
[20:09] <chilts> well, that's certainly a more interesting article
[20:14] <ajmitch> the clarifications also state that for something to be marked compatible, it'll have to be derived from openjdk
[20:19] <ibeardslee> which seems to imply that ubuntu announcement is not all that bad after all
[20:21] <ajmitch> assuming that stuff works equally well on the oracle JDK & openjdk
[20:21] <ibeardslee> this is true
[20:22] <ajmitch> that oracle blog post implied that the java plugin isn't part of openjdk
[20:22] <ajmitch> or at least not part of the standard
[20:31] <mwhudson> not containing the browser plugin definitely sounds like a useful feature
[20:32] <thumper> morning
[21:23] <ojwb> morning
[21:25] <ojwb> i get the strong impression that use of the java plugin has declined greatly
[21:25] <ojwb> i don't have one installed, and I can't recall the last time I noticed, whereas sites nag me several times a day about not having flash
[21:47] <chilts> I think Java in the browser died in around 1998 for me
[21:48] <chilts> ok, maybe 1999