[00:06] Meh, a week after shifting to IMAP+ on Evolution things have gone downhill. All of a sudden it can't remember my IMAP passwords anymore which is relatively annoying. [00:08] just the problem with passwords or IMAP+ has gone bad? [00:09] My problem I had when I tried IMAP+ was forgetting to change the port :( [00:10] Just the passwords problem, and it magically marks messages as unread when moving folders occasionally. Both problems have appeared on two different boxes. [00:11] Having a password dialog popup every few minutes is a little tedius though. [00:31] yeah that would be quite suck .. so the solution is to remember or change your passwords? [00:50] * G hands hads a muttrc file :P [04:35] I do have a muttrc, I've just never got into CLI mail for some reason. [04:43] i've never really got other the "wtf is going on" point with mutt [04:47] it's a pretty standard email UI [05:10] I only got used to mutt after I had used irssi for a good few years, plus running mutt against local maildir is so much better than remote imap :) [07:12] I've used irssi for years, mutt not enough yet to make it stick [18:33] morning [18:40] morning [19:27] morning [19:37] I didn't realise that Oracle had 'retired' the license for distributors to distribute Java [19:37] I don't use or need it, but it's pretty sad [19:38] though I guess that'll mean the openjdk will get better as people fix things (I hope) [19:39] hmm, whatnow? [19:46] lifeless: just got this one sent out to Security Announce - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html [19:47] wow [19:47] oracle stuuupid [19:48] they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot like that, since they know they'll rake in money from other places [19:49] yeap .. add that to this .. http://www.techworld.com.au/article/410298/university_accuses_oracle_extortion_lies_rigged_demo_lawsuit [19:50] there's no shortage of examples of oracle being bad [19:51] indeed [19:56] http://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the [20:09] well, that's certainly a more interesting article [20:14] the clarifications also state that for something to be marked compatible, it'll have to be derived from openjdk [20:19] which seems to imply that ubuntu announcement is not all that bad after all [20:21] assuming that stuff works equally well on the oracle JDK & openjdk [20:21] this is true [20:22] that oracle blog post implied that the java plugin isn't part of openjdk [20:22] or at least not part of the standard [20:31] not containing the browser plugin definitely sounds like a useful feature [20:32] morning [21:23] morning [21:25] i get the strong impression that use of the java plugin has declined greatly [21:25] i don't have one installed, and I can't recall the last time I noticed, whereas sites nag me several times a day about not having flash [21:47] I think Java in the browser died in around 1998 for me [21:48] ok, maybe 1999