| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:08 |
|---|---|---|
| AlanBell | morning | 08:23 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: hows you | 08:23 |
| AlanBell | kids left for school, silence achieved | 08:32 |
| christel | good morning | 08:33 |
| AlanBell | morning, we will have to reschedule the farnham pub crawl | 08:34 |
| christel | we will! | 08:37 |
| christel | how long is gordon down for? and will he be popping by before heading back to scotland? | 08:37 |
| AlanBell | think he is going back today, he wasn't sure if he could escape from London | 08:41 |
| knightwise | hey guys | 08:54 |
| knightwise | how are you today | 08:54 |
| popey | morning | 08:55 |
| knightwise | hey popey :) | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | hay all | 08:57 |
| christel | AlanBell: aha! | 08:57 |
| christel | well, i am still up for pubcrawling sometime | 08:57 |
| christel | maybe we can drag some other people over here if we plan it slightly further in advance | 08:57 |
| christel | how about sometime between christmas and new years, when we're all sick of spending time with family ;) | 08:58 |
| MooDoo | sick of family? at christmas? Are you mad christel ? ;) lol | 09:01 |
| christel | :P | 09:01 |
| christel | we're spending christmas proper with the in-laws, who are lovely, but they're also very .. er, uhm.. they're very Prim and Proper | 09:02 |
| AlanBell | 25th? | 09:02 |
| christel | AlanBell: haha <3 | 09:02 |
| * czajkowski hugs christel | 09:03 | |
| * AlanBell wonders when czajkowski returns from the emerald city? | 09:03 | |
| czajkowski | 27th | 09:04 |
| czajkowski | then am heading down south on the 30-31st | 09:04 |
| christel | czajkowski: well then how do you feel about a farnham pubcrawl on the 28th then? you may have your old room if you fancy staying over | 09:05 |
| MooDoo | wow how come the uk meeting is so early? | 09:06 |
| AlanBell | MooDoo: to inject a little variety into your life | 09:06 |
| christel | MooDoo: to confuse you! nah, i think the idea is to see if we can attract more people in the middle of the day as few people are able to make the evening ones | 09:06 |
| czajkowski | christel: oh maybe. Not sure what the plans are given house move beore xmas and coming back to boxes. | 09:06 |
| MooDoo | spicey | 09:06 |
| DJones | Morning | 09:09 |
| christel | morning DJones :) | 09:09 |
| DJones | Hi christel | 09:09 |
| christel | MooDoo: where in the world are you? are you Too Far Away to join us for Christmas tomfoolery? | 09:09 |
| AlanBell | so where is the next point on the happy hour tour? | 09:12 |
| AlanBell | Southampton? Newcastle? somewhere else? | 09:12 |
| MooDoo | christel: i'm in nottingham, but i have a 3 months old, wifey would string me up if i came down between christmas and new year :D | 09:13 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 09:13 |
| AlanBell | Wolverhampton? | 09:13 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: if you're coming up, sounds like a good idea :) | 09:16 |
| AlanBell | me? north of Watford Gap? | 09:17 |
| bigcalm | Is that the mark of a true southener? | 09:18 |
| bigcalm | It still throws me when a friend in Brighton calls me a northener | 09:20 |
| bigcalm | It's one or the other eh? No midlandser? | 09:20 |
| AlanBell | sounds fair :) | 09:21 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, do you want to pick a day in January and a pub and we can add wolves to the list of places? | 09:21 |
| bigcalm | I know nothing of Wolves. davmor2, mrevell, aquarius are the people to ask :) | 09:23 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is going to Stourbridge tomorrow. ~250m round trip. | 09:27 | |
| MartijnVdS | only 250 meters? I'd walk ;) | 09:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I wish MartijnVdS | 09:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Likely to be ~3hrs each way | 09:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Or more likely 2 hrs there and 4hrs back (friday evening) :-( | 09:36 |
| MartijnVdS | ugh.. >2 hours of driving on a single day makes me all weird | 09:37 |
| MartijnVdS | sort of sleepy/exhausted but with the alertness of adrenalin in the mix. | 09:37 |
| bigcalm | Helps to stop now and then | 09:38 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: note that I'm ~1.5 hours away from either Germany or Belgium -- it's hard to drive >2 hours and not end up in another country | 09:39 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 09:41 |
| bigcalm | Tricky | 09:41 |
| MartijnVdS | FOSDEM will be a 2 hour drive | 09:42 |
| mattt | i gave up complaining about driving, my colleagues in texas can drive 4-6 hours and still be in texas :) | 09:43 |
| MartijnVdS | Aww | 09:44 |
| MartijnVdS | imagine driving for 6 hours and STILL being in Texas | 09:44 |
| AlanBell | I used to have a car like that | 09:45 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 09:45 |
| gord | back in dallas, i remember we drove for about two hours to a friends house, we were *still* in dallas | 09:46 |
| oimon | in london i can drive for 2 hours and be 8 miles down the road | 09:47 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: Speed devil! | 09:47 |
| oimon | 84 sets of traffic lights later... | 09:47 |
| JamesTait | Oh, um, good morning all. :) | 09:49 |
| mattt | gord: shoulda flied! | 09:49 |
| monsterwizard | Asm86 D: | 09:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 4mth web dev contract position up for grabs if anyone interested: http://www.paramountdigitalmarketing.com/job-opportunity.html | 10:14 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:16 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: PROD!!!!! well I'm getting in the Christmas spirit of giving :D | 10:16 |
| bigcalm | Hi davmor2 | 10:18 |
| MooDoo | morning davmor2 | 10:19 |
| bigcalm | What else can you give? | 10:19 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm, gord: confirmation of the 26th of jan for the next workspace day :) | 10:21 |
| gord | whoop | 10:21 |
| bigcalm | Ta | 10:21 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: see I just give and give and give until it hurts ;) | 10:24 |
| bigcalm | o.O | 10:25 |
| gord | maybe you shouldn't give that much then | 10:26 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:42 |
| popey | hi | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | o/ | 10:45 |
| brobostigon | hi popey and dogmatic69 | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | gord: to be honest it only hurts my finger from prodding czajkowski | 10:47 |
| andylockran | popey: my spotify is dead :( | 10:56 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: Good morning | 10:58 |
| * popey points andylockran at #spotify | 10:59 | |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: davmor2 morning sir, ma'am :) | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: Morning how's life down souff | 11:00 |
| czajkowski | MooDoo: well hello there | 11:00 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: Fantastic | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Morning me owld Mucka how's life up and right a bit? | 11:00 |
| andylockran | popey: ta :D | 11:01 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: i've a grin on my face that's a mile wide | 11:02 |
| Gargoyle | Morning all! | 11:10 |
| Gargoyle | Can anyone confirm the correct way to get apache to create files (uploaded via site / cache files created by php, etc) to have -rw-rw--- and not -rw------- ? I have tried setting umask 0002 in /etc/apache/envvars | 11:11 |
| dogmatic69 | Gargoyle: -rw------ should work fine | 11:17 |
| Gargoyle | dogmatic69: Not if I want the group to read and write the files! | 11:18 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Put czajkowski down you don't know where she's been | 11:18 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: i should be so lucky ;) | 11:22 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: So let me guess you're on holiday or you got a new job ;) | 11:23 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: nope, parents are getting me a new camera for christmas | 11:25 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: Man I thought it was something life changing ;) | 11:26 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: it is, believe me :) | 11:27 |
| dogmatic69 | Gargoyle: its its chowned to apache who else needs to read it? | 11:27 |
| Gargoyle | dogmatic69: The user that is running cron / backup tasks | 11:28 |
| dogmatic69 | !tell Gargoyle about php chmod | 11:29 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: hence the smiley wink :D /me waits for the joker in the family to wrap one of those throw away cameras in the camera box with a note saying it did so much we thought you'd prefer this instead | 11:29 |
| dogmatic69 | wrong channel for tells :/ | 11:30 |
| dogmatic69 | d | 11:30 |
| dogmatic69 | <davmor2> MooDoo: | 11:30 |
| dogmatic69 | http://php.net/manual/en/function.chmod.php | 11:30 |
| dogmatic69 | Gargoyle: ^ | 11:30 |
| Gargoyle | dogmatic69: I am aware of chmod, I want this to be the default for apache and not going round changing every bit of PHP code that writes files | 11:31 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: yeah :D lol | 11:31 |
| dogmatic69 | Gargoyle: you should really only have one bit of code writing files, DRY | 11:31 |
| Gargoyle | dogmatic69: You're under some illusion that I only have 1 application? | 11:32 |
| dogmatic69 | i am under the impression that your code is not DRY | 11:32 |
| Gargoyle | dogmatic69: I didn't ask about coding standards! and most of it is not my code framework this and framework that! | 11:33 |
| monsterwizard | anyone know assembly? | 11:36 |
| monsterwizard | I can't figure out why mov esi, 0 is used in this program | 11:37 |
| oimon | anyone how how to boot a mac mini from usb stick? | 12:07 |
| andylockran | oimon: hold down cmd+alt during boot I think | 12:09 |
| andylockran | or cmd+c | 12:09 |
| andylockran | something like that | 12:09 |
| popey | i didnt think macs booted off usb | 12:09 |
| andylockran | then you get a choice of which disks to boot from | 12:09 |
| popey | unless the usb contained osx or other efi compliant thing | 12:09 |
| popey | andylockran: its alt | 12:09 |
| oimon | how do i install lion ? i have to boot to OSX? | 12:09 |
| popey | yeah, hold down alt | 12:09 |
| andylockran | oimon: it's just an 'app' from the app store | 12:09 |
| oimon | agh only 2 usb slots | 12:09 |
| oimon | i have it on usb | 12:09 |
| popey | andylockran: you can make a recovery image too on usb | 12:10 |
| andylockran | popey: ah, I did a boot from usb for time machine I think.. | 12:10 |
| oimon | "youn cannot install lion because it is not supported on this system" | 12:11 |
| oimon | no reason why | 12:11 |
| oimon | discovered this machine is a powerpc :( | 12:13 |
| oimon | had it in my room 3years, never switched it on | 12:13 |
| directhex | pretty old mac, then | 12:15 |
| oimon | i guess | 12:15 |
| directhex | intel ones landed in 2006 | 12:16 |
| * brobostigon would grab a debian powerpc cd. | 12:16 | |
| oimon | guess i'll turn it off again | 12:16 |
| directhex | lion also needs 2GB RAM | 12:16 |
| directhex | had to do a ram upgrade on a mac mini yesterday for lion. yikes | 12:16 |
| oimon | i only needed to try some software out :( | 12:16 |
| oimon | everyone's complaining aabout lion being really buggy | 12:19 |
| popey | "everyone" | 12:19 |
| andylockran | I quite like it | 12:20 |
| popey | is that the same "everyone" who no longer use Ubuntu? | 12:20 |
| andylockran | not had any issues | 12:20 |
| deej1976 | Has the 12pm ubuntu-uk-meeting been cancelled ? | 12:21 |
| oimon | everyone in my building who has lion | 12:21 |
| oimon | in the context of my job, that's everyone | 12:21 |
| oimon | wifi issues, printing fail, and networking issues | 12:21 |
| andylockran | the only issue I've had, is that I sometimes get wifi timeouts | 12:22 |
| andylockran | but that's sporadically, and a reboot (~20 seconds) sorts that out | 12:23 |
| andylockran | SSD FTW | 12:23 |
| oimon | can't connect to certain wifi SSID, cannot even see another one, while under the AP | 12:23 |
| oimon | other people having disconnect issues, and also one guy claims it takes 30 mins to connect | 12:23 |
| deej1976 | Anyone seen AlanBell this morning? | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | I saw him somewhere | 13:07 |
| brobostigon | lol | 13:07 |
| deej1976 | AlanBell: Not in ubuntu-uk-meeting though | 13:07 |
| bigcalm | :) | 13:08 |
| AlanBell | ooooh crap | 13:08 |
| davmor2 | deej1976: I'm pretty sure I've seen his nick around today | 13:08 |
| bigcalm | AlanBell: I forgot as well | 13:08 |
| deej1976 | !language | AlanBell | 13:08 |
| lubotu3 | AlanBell: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. | 13:08 |
| deej1976 | :D | 13:08 |
| * Mez sighs | 13:08 | |
| AlanBell | ok, lets do the meeting | 13:09 |
| Mez | have to create a backport to intrepid/jaunty | 13:09 |
| AlanBell | in #ubuntu-uk-meeting right nowish | 13:09 |
| gord | wish humble bundle just ran their own ppa | 13:11 |
| gord | or something | 13:11 |
| gord | geez, even the deb files bundle their own libraries, had to remove the sdl library they bundle because it doesn't work with pulseaudio... | 13:14 |
| AlanBell | dutchie: when do you return to the dreaming spires? | 13:17 |
| BigRedS | If I've an md array rebuilding, is there a way to ask it which device is being readded? | 13:31 |
| === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 12th January 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | ☃ | ||
| bigcalm | Everybody is going unicode crazy | 13:33 |
| danfish | my receptionists have Michael Buble Xmas album blaring out | 14:12 |
| * danfish tasers receptionists | 14:13 | |
| MooDoo | danfish: bought it for the misses the other day :S | 14:13 |
| danfish | MooDoo: get earplugs or a vomit bag | 14:13 |
| MooDoo | both | 14:14 |
| brobostigon | atleast wizzard, is decent, that one dont bother me too much. | 14:14 |
| MooDoo | hammer fall :D | 14:16 |
| oimon | http://images.businessweek.com/cms/2011-11-30/etc_correlation50__01__960.jpg | 14:23 |
| oimon | :D | 14:23 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 14:43 |
| dutchie | AlanBell: 8th of Jan | 14:48 |
| dutchie | AlanBell: why> | 14:48 |
| dutchie | ? | 14:48 |
| AlanBell | possible oxford happy hour | 14:49 |
| dutchie | ah cool | 14:53 |
| andylockran | :D | 14:57 |
| danfish | IT'S CHRISTMAS! | 15:48 |
| danfish | sorry - Noddy Holder took over my nick for a minute | 15:48 |
| davmor2 | danfish: liar | 15:51 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if he's living off of the royalties | 15:53 |
| danfish | davmor2: he's from your neck of the woods isn't he? | 15:53 |
| moreati | I believe his $appendage imprint is on the Broadstreet walk of fame | 15:54 |
| jutnux | \o everybody | 15:54 |
| davmor2 | danfish: No he ai't He's from duggley | 15:58 |
| === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 | ||
| danfish | davmor2: The black coutreeeyyyy | 16:14 |
| BigRedS | I'm after an explanation of the Gnome3/gnome-session/unity architecture, anyone know of one? It's as a citation for "Gnome3 isn't broken by Untiy" | 17:25 |
| BigRedS | where, apparently "just install gnome-session" doesn't count | 17:25 |
| ali1234 | nobody ever said it was | 17:26 |
| BigRedS | No, I'm arguing that Unity is basically an alternative to gnome-session, sat atop gnome3. Which is how I was lead to believe it worked. | 17:28 |
| BigRedS | In fact, is that how it works? | 17:28 |
| ali1234 | it is in oneiric | 17:28 |
| BigRedS | yeah, that's the one I meant | 17:29 |
| ali1234 | see, part of the gigantic mess that was the unity release was that in natty, unity ran on top of gnome 2 | 17:29 |
| ali1234 | and so installing gnome 3 on natty broke unity | 17:29 |
| ali1234 | under oneiric, it is the other way around | 17:29 |
| ali1234 | so installing gnome 2 on oneiric is problematic | 17:29 |
| BigRedS | Oh. no, I'm ignorning gnome2 | 17:30 |
| ali1234 | another side effect of this is that you can't install the unity from oneiric onto natty | 17:30 |
| ali1234 | and the development model of unity makes backporting patches extremely difficult | 17:30 |
| BigRedS | Just that what's normally termed 'Gnome3' is actually Gnome3 running gnome-session, and Unity is Gnome 3 running Unity | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | so the end result is that natty doesn't get unity fixes | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | unity is unity running on whatever version of gtk the distro uses | 17:31 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: So gnome is made up of gdm, gnome shell, and the gnome apps. Ubuntu is made up of lightdm, unity and the gnome apps there are a few changes but on the whole that is it. | 17:32 |
| BigRedS | yeah, that's my understanding. I'm just trying to convince someone else, but he's got bored of the argument now. It's more the precise definition of 'gnome3' that we're arguing over I think | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | it's a pointless argument anyway, as they both suck | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | it's like saying "well if you don't like brussel sprout flavour ice cream you can just have cabbage flavour ice cream instead" | 17:35 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: so my description is about as basic as you can get but there are a load of other things that make up gnome 3 | 17:36 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: We use most of them apart from gnome shell and gdm by all accounts | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | gnome-shell is multiple different things | 17:37 |
| ali1234 | the whole "but you can just install gnome-shell on ubuntu" is the argument people usually use when someone says they are dumping ubuntu because of unity | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | and it's a stupid one | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | here's why | 17:39 |
| BigRedS | no, it's not at all about dumping unity or gnome3 | 17:39 |
| BigRedS | just how the thing works | 17:39 |
| ali1234 | in a nutshell, you get a better experience if you use the same shell as the people developing the distro | 17:39 |
| ali1234 | it's always been like that too | 17:40 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it's always the case that the distro is designed for its default | 17:40 |
| BigRedS | it'd be daft to not do that | 17:40 |
| popey | mmmm brussel sprout ice cream | 17:43 |
| popey | http://drool.popey.com/ | 17:43 |
| Darael | How many of those d'you /have/ at the moment, anyway, popey? | 17:44 |
| danfish | popey: egg and bacon icecream yes, snail porridge yes, but brussel sprout ice cream...just think of the kids | 17:46 |
| MartijnVdS | Marmite ice cream? | 17:46 |
| * brobostigon requests whisky sorbet. | 17:47 | |
| Darael | I know they make garlic ice cream. | 17:47 |
| danfish | oooh, nice http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/raspberry-pi-announces-the-gertboard-expansion-board-20111215/ | 17:51 |
| locodir-user | hello | 18:08 |
| locodir-user | I have a problem installing ubuntu | 18:08 |
| locodir-user | it says "no root fie system is defined" | 18:09 |
| locodir-user | how can I install it? | 18:09 |
| daubers | evenng | 19:08 |
| mgdm | Hi daubers | 19:09 |
| bigcalm | Yo ho ho | 19:11 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: marvel at my painful code :) https://github.com/bigcalm/Twitter-IRC-Gateway | 19:11 |
| mgdm | Hmmm, I can spot some probable E_NOTICEs... | 19:13 |
| mattt | bigcalm: TYPO!@ | 19:15 |
| mattt | "leave <#channe>" | 19:15 |
| bigcalm | :O | 19:15 |
| MH0 | bigcalm: A typo? Not as bad as some code i have written :3, Some code I write has the most ugliest code, long-way rounds and everything. Ugly coding ftw! | 19:19 |
| davmor2 | Yeah but MH0 bigcalm is a wannabe perfectionist, it's like a crime to him :D | 19:21 |
| MH0 | Well, then I suppose so :) | 19:22 |
| davmor2 | comedy gold http://twitpic.com/7tm701 | 19:24 |
| MartijnVdS | heh | 19:25 |
| * daubers sticks on generations | 19:52 | |
| Laney | right | 20:06 |
| czajkowski | evening folks | 20:06 |
| Laney | present inspiration... | 20:06 |
| daubers | Laney: You can get me a kindle, that'll be fine :) | 20:06 |
| Laney | SOLD! | 20:07 |
| daubers | \o/ | 20:17 |
| BigRedS | What's the current favourite for a really easy mailing list tool to plug in to postfix? Mailman? I'd like it running in about 20mins :) | 22:01 |
| gordonjcp | mailman *is* pretty easy | 22:04 |
| gordonjcp | horrible, but easy | 22:04 |
| jacobw | phplist | 22:06 |
| jacobw | oh | 22:08 |
| jacobw | for actual mailing lists? | 22:08 |
| jacobw | mailman :p | 22:08 |
| BigRedS | ah, whoops, got distracted | 22:44 |
| BigRedS | but mailman it is | 22:44 |
| BigRedS | That was my initial choice, then I realised I didn't know any others | 22:44 |
| mattt | the only thing is | 22:46 |
| mattt | mailman only takes about 2 mins to get going | 22:46 |
| mattt | at least, it does on RHEL | 22:46 |
| BigRedS | Ah yeah, iffy bit here might be my bodged virtual domain 'system' | 22:50 |
| BigRedS | Oh. That *was* easy | 22:52 |
| BigRedS | just stick the domain on the end of mydestination and it ignores the virtuals | 22:52 |
| mattt | yay | 22:56 |
| popey | yay, amy and rory are leaving dr who | 23:02 |
| czajkowski | whooooo best news today popey | 23:06 |
| * czajkowski hugs popey | 23:06 | |
| popey | hmm? | 23:06 |
| labcoattech | hi all | 23:07 |
| popey | hello | 23:09 |
| labcoattech | can the grub bootloader be replaced with a gui | 23:10 |
| popey | no idea | 23:11 |
| BigRedS | I've seen someone demo a gui bootloader. where gui=clicky with a mouse | 23:20 |
| BigRedS | I'd argue that grub already is a gui | 23:20 |
| BigRedS | (when it's working) | 23:20 |
| labcoattech | tried to edit grub using Startup-Manager to make Windows 7 the default os but it didn't work | 23:23 |
| AlanBell | labcoattech: you might want to expand on what you did, and/or ask in #ubuntu, it is probably a bit late for the UK | 23:30 |
| directhex | labcoattech: i'm not aware of any modern mouse-enabled bootloaders | 23:34 |
| shauno | I've got a modern, mouse-enabled bootloader ;) | 23:45 |
| bigcalm | Boot camp? | 23:46 |
| shauno | yeah | 23:46 |
| bigcalm | Lucky guess | 23:46 |
| bigcalm | Sleep! | 23:46 |
| shauno | it's a little too modern in places. like deciding that usb is "legacy". but it's pointy/clicky/droolproof | 23:46 |
| directhex | i've never used boot camp - just refit | 23:48 |
| shauno | they're pretty much the same thing. just different applications loaded on top of the same efi | 23:49 |
| shauno | just refit has a config file, whereas the stock has "my way or the highway" | 23:49 |
| shauno | but it doesn't actually add capability, because actual features depend on the efi itself. so trying to boot mbr off usb is still near-on impossible :( | 23:50 |
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