| robin0800 | Firefishe: in kubuntu the setting is in system settings/sessions | 00:01 |
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| Firefishe | robin0800, OerHeks: Well, I just logged in and out of every desktop I'm using on this box, namely gnome-shell and unity. I didn't bother with fluxbox or enlightenment, as they're not affected. However, I did find that the nautilus window only opens on kde now, not the others. | 00:06 |
| Firefishe | Umm...I need to log in and out again...forgot to see what folder opens up, duh. | 00:07 |
| Firefishe | robin0800, OerHeks: The folder that opens is my user's home folder. | 00:08 |
| OerHeks | Firefishe, oke, did you check ~ System -> System Settings -> Advanced -> Autostart ? | 00:11 |
| Firefishe | checking now | 00:11 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: kde or gnome system settings? | 00:12 |
| OerHeks | in KDE ofcourse | 00:12 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: For me, I believe that would be the equivalent of: K > System Settings > Startup and Shutdown > Autostart -- That sound right? | 00:14 |
| OerHeks | yes :-) | 00:14 |
| OerHeks | ( i am on a dutch version, but this sounds good) | 00:15 |
| eydaimon | anyone? | 00:15 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: Yeah, the interface is the same, depending on what menu one is using. | 00:16 |
| === EvilResistance is now known as Resistance | ||
| Firefishe | OerHeks: I do have something, apparently a shell script. In Autostart, there is a Pre-KDE startup occurrence listed, and what is starting is named: gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh | 00:17 |
| fk6 | amason/robin0800/0erHeks: CD is installing fine, so the current 32bit alternate image somehow cannot be burned on a USB stick, even when following the instructions on the kubuntu webpage to the letter...wonderful... | 00:19 |
| OerHeks | maybe that is the thing what opens nautilus, i am not sure. | 00:19 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: It says gtk2... Don't the newer gnomes, both gnome-shell, and unity, both use gtk3? | 00:20 |
| amason | fk6: i guess..i dunno it works for me | 00:20 |
| fk6 | thx for suggestions... | 00:21 |
| OerHeks | eydaimon, i wouldn't recommend a wubi installation to upgrade, save your data, uninstall and do a fresh wubi installation, note that wubi is just a test, not for real production. | 00:22 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: I just did a locate on the CLI. That script is in three places. More than likely, the main one is in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh and the others listed for each user (me and my wife) are probably symlinks. | 00:23 |
| Firefishe | so it's kubuntu/kde-centric, and probably is used to assign the default themes for gtk2 apps when run in kde. I don't think that's it. It could be, but I do not see how at this stage. | 00:24 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: Meaning, I do not see how it could open the nautilus window at login./ | 00:25 |
| Firefishe | I appreciate your help. robin0800: you too :). I'll continue my troubleshooting. | 00:26 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: you tried logging in with another/new user? | 00:27 |
| OerHeks | Firefishe, me 2 .. i just did locate myself, and i have that file too, but i did not have gnome installed. | 00:27 |
| robin0800 | Firefishe: in kubuntu if you had one open at session end it would save and then reopen unless you told it to start with a clean session | 00:27 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: That would seem to suggest my hypothesis is true. | 00:27 |
| fk6 | I have has such issues. then did a grep in my home dir on the command that started the program, in this case nautilus, this helped me find the culprit config/script | 00:27 |
| Firefishe | fk6: What am I looking for? | 00:28 |
| fk6 | have you tried logging in with another "fresh" user? | 00:28 |
| Firefishe | robin0800: So how do I set it to open a clean session? I prefer that anyway. | 00:28 |
| fk6 | if it happens with that one too, then it is a default config file | 00:28 |
| robin0800 | Firefishe: in kubuntu the setting is in system settings/sessions | 00:28 |
| Firefishe | fk6: You mean with a newly created user? | 00:29 |
| fk6 | if it only happens with your user it is one of your config files, if so grep in your home dir for the command to start nautilus, it should not be noted anywhere, afaik, if you find it, make backup of that file and comment that line out, or delete the file | 00:29 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: yes that's what i mean | 00:29 |
| Firefishe | fk6: Well, it does happen with my wife's user, as well. | 00:30 |
| Firefishe | I need to run a parallel session of kde to this one...let me see if I can do that and if the folder opens up again. | 00:30 |
| fk6 | have not read the whole thread, struggling with my own prob, may i ask why you have nautilus installed on a kde system? | 00:31 |
| fk6 | two fixes, if you don't require it, rename the nautilus executable, or uninstall it. | 00:32 |
| Firefishe | fk6: I also have gnome installed. | 00:32 |
| fk6 | ah ok | 00:32 |
| fk6 | that's a tad messy then. | 00:32 |
| Firefishe | I use a lot of gui's, switch when I get bored, etc. | 00:32 |
| eydaimon | how do you tell what version you have? /etc/debian_version says sid/wheezy which doesn't seem right | 00:33 |
| Firefishe | fk6: Well, it became messy when unity and gtk3 came alone. | 00:33 |
| Firefishe | along | 00:33 |
| amason | Firefishe: you can tell kde not to load your old session | 00:33 |
| amason | settings->startup and shutdown -> session management | 00:33 |
| Firefishe | amason: Thank you, let me try that. | 00:34 |
| amason | select start with empty settings | 00:34 |
| amason | session rather | 00:34 |
| amason | also check in autostart | 00:34 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: make a backup of your etc. grep in your etc for the nautilus command, and eliminate it bit by it from the config files. | 00:34 |
| amason | and the service manager | 00:34 |
| amason | fk6: gnome uses their gconf so it may not be greppable | 00:34 |
| fk6 | amason: they don't have human readable configs? gah | 00:35 |
| amason | i'm not sure.....could be serialized | 00:35 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: and if your wife has had a user for longer on the system, try a new user account, a fresh one, with no config files in it. | 00:35 |
| Firefishe | fk6, amason: I've gone ahead and set it to log in with a fresh user. Simple things first. Also, deleting anything in the /etc/ directory without knowing exactly what I'm looking for is dangerous,. | 00:36 |
| Firefishe | I'm going to log in and out again...be right back. Again, thanks for all the help. I'll probably have to log in to my wife's account and manually adjust that, too. | 00:37 |
| amason | i didn't recommend deleting anythign in /etc | 00:37 |
| amason | i actually didn't say to delete anything at all | 00:37 |
| Firefishe | amason: I know, that was for fk6. | 00:37 |
| Firefishe | brb | 00:38 |
| Firefishe | amason: That did the trick! Thank you! :) | 00:45 |
| amason | yw | 00:46 |
| OerHeks | amason +1 | 00:46 |
| Firefishe | fk6, OerHeks, robin0800: Also thank you for your suggestions. :) | 00:46 |
| OerHeks | Firefishe, have fun | 00:46 |
| Firefishe | OerHeks: oh heck yes! ;) hee. I'd have more fun if I could write software in at least one language. | 00:47 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: gratz :) | 00:48 |
| Firefishe | fk6: thanks :). Anyone here need any help with anything? | 00:49 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: well, your married, so no thank you ;) | 00:50 |
| Firefishe | fk6: heh | 00:51 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: not in the way that you are not qualified, but in the way that you are already "occupied" ;) | 00:51 |
| Firefishe | fk6: ya, I get it. | 00:52 |
| Firefishe | ;) | 00:52 |
| OerHeks | i know, kubuntu users are very attractive :-D | 00:52 |
| Firefishe | fk6: might want to move this to #kubuntu-offtopic | 00:53 |
| fk6 | 0erHeks: famous, indeed.... | 00:53 |
| fk6 | Firefishe: nah, it's all part of the Kubuntu service level agreement ;) | 00:54 |
| Firefishe | fk6: oh, we can chit chat in here a bit? | 00:54 |
| Firefishe | I know they get really edgy in #ubuntu, and the #ubuntu-offtopic chan is pretty active. | 00:54 |
| Firefishe | no mattah | 00:55 |
| fk6 | Well #ubuntu has way more business than #kubuntu...in like 2h 4ppl....and what's the worst that will happen ;) I will slap them with the usbcreator screwup ;) nvm i am off, pleasure meeting you guys....gn | 00:56 |
| AuroraIsland | hello | 01:18 |
| Resistance | hi' | 01:21 |
| === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy | ||
| === waky is now known as sleepy | ||
| === sleepy is now known as Guest35091 | ||
| === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy | ||
| === apple is now known as Guest98972 | ||
| === Guest98972 is now known as toocool10 | ||
| === root is now known as Guest95108 | ||
| === Guest95108 is now known as DemonWitch | ||
| N00bish | is this the right room for help q's? | 04:43 |
| N00bish | anyone around? | 04:46 |
| frogonwheels | N00bish: ask. don't ask to ask. | 04:53 |
| frogonwheels | N00bish: you _may_ have to wait depending on the time and the question :) ask and stick around for an hour or so | 04:54 |
| N00bish | is this the right room for help tho | 04:54 |
| N00bish | i was told to goto kde help | 04:54 |
| N00bish | but there isn't one lol | 04:54 |
| N00bish | just you guys...? | 04:54 |
| KingSphinx | I'm not sure whether or not this goes into this channel or for Wine, but ever since I removed my "Program Files" menu entry a while back, nothing I install with Wine will appear in Kickoff. Anyone know how to get my stuff to start appearing again? | 04:55 |
| frogonwheels | N00bish: you on kubuntu? | 04:56 |
| frogonwheels | N00bish: or ubuntu and using kde? | 04:56 |
| N00bish | i have a freshly installed Ubuntu Desktop 10.04 LTS + x2go | 04:56 |
| N00bish | so nothing yet, but i would like kubuntu | 04:57 |
| N00bish | i used debian and gnome previously on the same hardware | 04:57 |
| amason | N00bish: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 04:57 |
| N00bish | but i tried to install the above desktop but ran into problems with the intel graphics card | 04:57 |
| frogonwheels | N00bish: well kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde as the default environment really. | 04:58 |
| N00bish | vnc server ran fine and i could connect to it, but kubuntu wouldnt start "startx" just reported intel n10 graphics card problems | 04:58 |
| amason | what is your graphics card ? | 04:58 |
| frogonwheels | N00bish: so it won't make a difference to the xserver - so you'll need to work that out. | 04:58 |
| amason | specifically | 04:58 |
| N00bish | i tried a few google fixes, got nowhere and figured id made such a mess paying around with the config that i should do a fresh install | 04:59 |
| N00bish | it just says intel n10 chipset? | 04:59 |
| N00bish | google results finds a lot of known bugs :/ | 04:59 |
| KingSphinx | Wait, found something about having to fiddle a bit with my .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu file. | 05:00 |
| N00bish | the remote desktop worked but i only got the grey screen so it was like kubuntu didnt install correctly | 05:00 |
| N00bish | but i got no error messages on the install :/ | 05:00 |
| === ubuntu is now known as DemonWitch | ||
| N00bish | am doing apt-get install update on it now but i dont know if installing kubuntu is the best choice? | 05:02 |
| christopher_ | N00bish: installing KDE is always the best choice | 05:02 |
| N00bish | lol no bias on here huh? ;) | 05:03 |
| christopher_ | NEVER second gues KDE ;) | 05:03 |
| N00bish | so kde is the first thing to install before the vnc4server? | 05:03 |
| N00bish | i keep thinking im making some fundamental flaw in it | 05:03 |
| N00bish | same hardware but debian, gnome and xrdp worked fine | 05:04 |
| christopher_ | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/vnc4server-on-ubuntu-458240/ | 05:04 |
| christopher_ | idk I use VNC without issue | 05:04 |
| christopher_ | I would use Ubuntu server, but Kubuntu works fine as a server | 05:04 |
| N00bish | cheers christopher, ill go read, yeah the vnc server and viewer worked fine - but the kde wouldnt start :/ | 05:05 |
| N00bish | no gui to see, just the grey background | 05:05 |
| christopher_ | its nice to have the overhead GUI when working with it and I hardly if ever see any issues with my server bogged down, but then again I am running 4 xeons and 128gig of ram | 05:05 |
| N00bish | :o thats quite a set up! | 05:06 |
| christopher_ | I like it | 05:06 |
| christopher_ | its older DDR2, my work was just gunna throw it out | 05:06 |
| N00bish | at the risk of being flamed... windows server 2008 rc2 also worked fine on this hardware | 05:06 |
| christopher_ | im like "I want the blade!" | 05:06 |
| N00bish | but i dont want windoze or debian :( | 05:06 |
| christopher_ | I like win server | 05:06 |
| christopher_ | I use it at work | 05:07 |
| christopher_ | it is actually quite nice | 05:07 |
| N00bish | it takes more resources though | 05:07 |
| christopher_ | meh | 05:07 |
| N00bish | ive only got a single core and 2gb ram | 05:07 |
| N00bish | i need all i can get out of them :) | 05:07 |
| amason | we use x2go at work, it works pretty well. | 05:07 |
| christopher_ | on servers running 512+gb of ram and 16 processors per blade... resources are a misnomer | 05:07 |
| christopher_ | its a hospital | 05:07 |
| === Nex4 is now known as Xen4 | ||
| amason | N00bish: i think you will find that it's just driver issues. from the looks of it your intel card isn't able to use the 'proper' intel drivers | 05:08 |
| christopher_ | guthrie clinic and emergency medical center | 05:08 |
| N00bish | amason: yeah the forums for my server recommended x2go in fact the reinstall script includes it on the server | 05:08 |
| christopher_ | I didnt get any hard drives with the blade because of redords and crap but I got the hardware I run Kubuntu on it, its beautiful | 05:08 |
| N00bish | amason: that is why im here. im too noobish to be able to work out what to do re: a working driver | 05:09 |
| christopher_ | records* | 05:09 |
| christopher_ | if only it had a pci express slot, it would be my gaming rig lmao | 05:09 |
| N00bish | do i solve my driver issues (or try to) before installing kde or after? | 05:09 |
| === Xen4 is now known as Nex4 | ||
| amason | N00bish: well you don't have much option really with that version of ubuntu | 05:11 |
| christopher_ | Kubuntu is pretty much Ubuntu with all of GTK removed and KDE superglued on top | 05:11 |
| amason | i don't know if the situation would improve either since iirc that chipset is just not well supported | 05:11 |
| N00bish | ;'( | 05:12 |
| N00bish | break it to me gently why dont you lol | 05:12 |
| amason | intel write drivers for their chipsets and they are very good...however i don't think intel actually made your chipset | 05:12 |
| christopher_ | what chipset | 05:12 |
| amason | it's just branded as such | 05:12 |
| amason | N10 | 05:12 |
| N00bish | im installing kde atm | 05:13 |
| christopher_ | the g41? | 05:13 |
| N00bish | ill see if i can get a version number or something | 05:13 |
| N00bish | anything better than lspci? | 05:13 |
| christopher_ | if it is the wifi it is a stupid uhhh cant remember who made the chipset but it isnt Intel | 05:13 |
| N00bish | for a more specific answer? | 05:13 |
| christopher_ | broadcom | 05:13 |
| N00bish | really? | 05:13 |
| N00bish | broadcom?! | 05:14 |
| christopher_ | I do believe so | 05:14 |
| N00bish | my face right now! :o | 05:14 |
| DarkriftX | ouch | 05:14 |
| DarkriftX | broadcom = shit | 05:14 |
| amason | christopher_: graphics ? | 05:14 |
| christopher_ | me? | 05:14 |
| amason | i didn't know broadcom made graphics drivers ? | 05:14 |
| N00bish | i think my nokai 3310 would have better graphics :/ | 05:14 |
| DarkriftX | never gotten their crap to work right in linux without hassle | 05:14 |
| christopher_ | I use an nvidia gtx 550 TI OC to 950mhz | 05:14 |
| christopher_ | oh is he having graphics issues? | 05:14 |
| christopher_ | with an Intel driver? | 05:15 |
| amason | yeh :) | 05:15 |
| amason | yeh but i don't think it can use the intel driver | 05:15 |
| christopher_ | http://www.h-node.com/videocards/view/en/111/Intel-Corporation-N10-Family-Integrated-Graphics-Controller | 05:15 |
| christopher_ | well supported graphics set | 05:15 |
| christopher_ | I thought it was a wifi issue | 05:15 |
| amason | hmm ok | 05:16 |
| christopher_ | maybe you have a bad graphics chip | 05:16 |
| christopher_ | or bad ram | 05:16 |
| amason | if that's the case if you can use i915 you might have other issues | 05:16 |
| N00bish | my previous server i toasted the cpu on it | 05:16 |
| N00bish | #whoops | 05:16 |
| amason | since i915 is what i use and it's pretty rock solid | 05:16 |
| N00bish | they're gonna stop selling me them soon! | 05:16 |
| christopher_ | I know :( | 05:16 |
| christopher_ | but their new chipset is already FLOSS friendly so im good | 05:17 |
| christopher_ | entering the gaming market and making an actual gaming chip for their graphics | 05:17 |
| amason | christopher_: i have a sandy bridge at work which is super smooth | 05:17 |
| christopher_ | sandybridge imho sucks | 05:17 |
| N00bish | ill see if maybe i can update the lspci and get some more details on the n10 junk | 05:17 |
| christopher_ | I use old 1366 stuff and it still out performs sandybridge | 05:17 |
| === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy | ||
| christopher_ | but im also on a 980 | 05:17 |
| christopher_ | 6 gigs of tri channel 1600mhz ram | 05:18 |
| christopher_ | when Intel comes out with their new chipset (their answer to AMD's 24 core processor) then I will upgrade | 05:19 |
| N00bish | from the looks of it it's onboard graphics | 05:19 |
| N00bish | oh god | 05:19 |
| christopher_ | until then, sandybridge was an interim build to make up for what 1366 offered that their other line lacked | 05:19 |
| N00bish | from lspci: "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller" | 05:20 |
| christopher_ | QPI, there is nothing that compares to it | 05:20 |
| christopher_ | run ramcheck86 or whatever the hell its called | 05:20 |
| christopher_ | memtest86 | 05:20 |
| christopher_ | let it run twice | 05:20 |
| christopher_ | if it passes twice, reinstall the OS | 05:21 |
| christopher_ | from a new iso, new burn | 05:21 |
| christopher_ | redownload the iso, reburn it | 05:21 |
| N00bish | its a remote server so it was installed from a script | 05:21 |
| N00bish | but i will run the memtest now | 05:21 |
| christopher_ | ive seen Kubuntu do some screwey things from a disk that didnt burn properly | 05:21 |
| christopher_ | or a bad file that got corrupted during download | 05:22 |
| christopher_ | md5 is good but its not perfect | 05:22 |
| christopher_ | md5 works great for large isos | 05:22 |
| christopher_ | for smaller files it is give or take | 05:22 |
| christopher_ | omg im running the new plasma desktop on my android 3.5" phone | 05:24 |
| christopher_ | it is so nice | 05:24 |
| christopher_ | you plug it into a KDE machine and you can drag a file off to a "drop box" plasmoid and it drops it on the device | 05:24 |
| christopher_ | you can even drop other plasmoids into the plasmoid and it installs it on the device without any real input | 05:25 |
| N00bish | is memtest something i need to run at boot? | 05:25 |
| christopher_ | thats hot | 05:25 |
| christopher_ | yes | 05:25 |
| N00bish | like do a reboot and do it | 05:25 |
| N00bish | ah ok | 05:25 |
| christopher_ | run it from the live cd | 05:25 |
| christopher_ | or make a live usb stick | 05:26 |
| christopher_ | and boot off of that | 05:26 |
| N00bish | its a remote server | 05:26 |
| christopher_ | where | 05:26 |
| N00bish | i think there may be something in my server manager for it | 05:26 |
| N00bish | ovh fance | 05:26 |
| N00bish | france* even | 05:26 |
| christopher_ | oi | 05:26 |
| christopher_ | that sucks | 05:26 |
| N00bish | im starting to realise that too :( | 05:27 |
| christopher_ | you can install memtest | 05:27 |
| christopher_ | sudo apt-get install memtest-86 | 05:27 |
| christopher_ | when you run it, it will ask you to reboot I believe | 05:27 |
| N00bish | im just looking at the management console to see if perhaps they already have a memory test? | 05:28 |
| christopher_ | sounds like screwey hardware if you installed from script | 05:28 |
| N00bish | it was their script so i presumed it would work | 05:28 |
| christopher_ | right | 05:28 |
| N00bish | but maybe they expect all to run headless servers | 05:28 |
| N00bish | :( | 05:28 |
| christopher_ | I never run servers headless | 05:29 |
| christopher_ | I am a hands on kinda guy | 05:29 |
| christopher_ | even if I have to carry a 7" portable USB display | 05:29 |
| christopher_ | and keyboard and mouse with me | 05:29 |
| N00bish | i do that between my phone and windows desktop machine | 05:30 |
| N00bish | ;) | 05:30 |
| christopher_ | one thing I noticed with headless servers, they still have graphics chips in them, even if no VGA port is available, you can still run a USB display | 05:30 |
| christopher_ | I don't trust other technicians network cable work all the time lol | 05:31 |
| N00bish | the server manager just reports one 2gb stick of ram | 05:31 |
| N00bish | im going to install the memtest and reboot :) | 05:31 |
| christopher_ | people are lazy, its a rule of life to live by, if you overcompensate always you can never be totally wrong | 05:32 |
| christopher_ | just dont be an ass about it | 05:32 |
| N00bish | i may end up going down that usb display route - dont go anywhere christopher_ ;) | 05:32 |
| christopher_ | http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-14-inch-Ultra-portable-Mobile-Monitor/dp/tech-data/B005F0IKHA | 05:33 |
| === Nex4 is now known as ExAway | ||
| christopher_ | I might actually get that to replace my 7" | 05:33 |
| christopher_ | I like the price | 05:34 |
| christopher_ | really handy to have for well basically anything | 05:34 |
| christopher_ | broken laptop display, server work... | 05:35 |
| christopher_ | sometimes, the well trodden path of physically working on something is the best way | 05:35 |
| christopher_ | this way you know it is right | 05:35 |
| N00bish | ok. memtest installed... whats the command to run do i need to do a run and reboot command? | 05:39 |
| N00bish | its memtest86+ btw | 05:39 |
| christopher_ | you select it from the grub menu | 05:40 |
| christopher_ | it should have automatically loaded it | 05:40 |
| christopher_ | as a boot option | 05:40 |
| christopher_ | honestly, I think it should be a part of every linux install | 05:40 |
| christopher_ | sometimes it is a pain in the ass to make a live USB stick or a live cd | 05:41 |
| christopher_ | just to find out its a bad update that broke something | 05:41 |
| N00bish | excuse my ignorance but how do i get into grub (its grub2 iirc on this machine) | 05:42 |
| christopher_ | just reboot | 05:42 |
| christopher_ | it should show up with a new boot option added giving you like 2-3 seconds to press down | 05:43 |
| N00bish | im using putty to access the server though | 05:43 |
| N00bish | no way to run it without a restart? | 05:43 |
| christopher_ | no | 05:43 |
| amason | you need a serial console | 05:44 |
| christopher_ | memtest requires that no other processes be loaded in ram | 05:44 |
| amason | or ip vnc console or something like that | 05:44 |
| N00bish | im really in the sh!t arent i?! lol | 05:44 |
| * christopher_ uses ip vnc | 05:44 | |
| christopher_ | I love my little vnc box | 05:44 |
| amason | i like serial console :) it's quicker in most cases although with ubuntu you do need to set up grub to use the serial console first | 05:45 |
| christopher_ | really great like tonight when I dont wanna drive in the bad weather to work, just to run system tests and backups and do reports | 05:45 |
| christopher_ | ew comcast... | 05:45 |
| christopher_ | I think I would shoot myself | 05:45 |
| amason | what is the comcast in reference to ? | 05:46 |
| christopher_ | there | 05:46 |
| christopher_ | I feel for you kirk... | 05:46 |
| amason | ah comcast are evil i take it ? | 05:46 |
| christopher_ | just a pain to deal with | 05:46 |
| christopher_ | they actually have hard line limits on the amount you can download | 05:47 |
| christopher_ | and charge you more if you go over a certain amount | 05:47 |
| amason | we have bandwidth limits in Australia too | 05:47 |
| christopher_ | plus they throttle your network | 05:47 |
| amason | shaped beyond a certain point | 05:47 |
| christopher_ | well austrailia I can understand | 05:47 |
| christopher_ | you are an island thousands of miles from anywhere else in the world | 05:47 |
| christopher_ | the amount of cable just to get you connected to the rest of the world is phenominal | 05:48 |
| amason | well we are pretty close to some parts of the world :) just not the US | 05:48 |
| amason | indonesia and south east asia is only a few hours from the north coast | 05:48 |
| christopher_ | but here in the US, bandwidth limits are undeard of except comcast and wireless | 05:48 |
| christopher_ | right but thats 3rd world countries, you probably get your line off of china | 05:49 |
| amason | no we have 12 undersea cables | 05:49 |
| christopher_ | wow | 05:49 |
| amason | might be more now | 05:50 |
| christopher_ | but still the amount of money it takes for something of that nature | 05:50 |
| christopher_ | bandwidth limits are a must for the time being | 05:50 |
| christopher_ | gotta pay for the work somehow | 05:50 |
| amason | well most of the traffic stays in australia | 05:50 |
| amason | i work at an isp | 05:50 |
| christopher_ | right | 05:50 |
| amason | small one but still | 05:50 |
| christopher_ | then thats BS | 05:50 |
| christopher_ | unless it is routing out of the country, it should be unlimited | 05:51 |
| amason | so what happens when we fill our ACG ? just keep buying more and pass on the cost to the customers ? | 05:51 |
| christopher_ | verizon is cool like that, if I use US servers, my downloads are always surcharged for 0bytes | 05:51 |
| christopher_ | acg? | 05:52 |
| amason | the pipe from the exchange | 05:52 |
| amason | to the concentrator | 05:52 |
| christopher_ | why does it have to be regulated if it is all within the confides of the country? | 05:53 |
| christopher_ | its all local data | 05:53 |
| amason | yeh but it doesn't mean your not filling your pipes | 05:54 |
| amason | if i have 20mb backhaul from the exchange | 05:54 |
| christopher_ | right | 05:54 |
| amason | and 12 users all leeching at the same time it's going to fill that easily | 05:54 |
| amason | so without limiting it in someway i have 2 choices | 05:54 |
| amason | i can reduce everyones download speed | 05:54 |
| christopher_ | get better hardware, or reduce dl speed | 05:55 |
| christopher_ | I get ya | 05:55 |
| amason | not hardware, physical cables | 05:55 |
| christopher_ | right | 05:55 |
| amason | so no one likes slow internet | 05:55 |
| amason | so my only choice is to provide some limit so the pipe isn't always full | 05:55 |
| amason | or i buy bigger pipes | 05:55 |
| amason | and pass that on to the customers | 05:55 |
| christopher_ | right what are you on? cat5? | 05:56 |
| amason | whic people don't like either | 05:56 |
| christopher_ | right | 05:56 |
| amason | backhaul is fiber | 05:56 |
| amason | copper to the node | 05:56 |
| amason | but that's not an issue really | 05:56 |
| christopher_ | I have a fiber optic to my house through verizon | 05:56 |
| christopher_ | and I never fill my pipe | 05:56 |
| amason | ok but thats just _your_ pipe | 05:57 |
| amason | there is an aggregation point | 05:57 |
| christopher_ | I work for a hospital and am always uploading and downloading data to my home servers for extra backup even though im not suppose to, but nobody is getting past my pitbull and shotgun | 05:57 |
| amason | and at the aggregation point you are paying for a certain portion of the fiber channel | 05:58 |
| christopher_ | it has saved me hours of work because some numpty dumps a file without first asking me | 05:58 |
| christopher_ | aha | 05:58 |
| christopher_ | well $60 USD a month | 05:58 |
| christopher_ | not too shabby | 05:58 |
| christopher_ | but I had to buy all the equipment up to the pole | 05:58 |
| amason | but that still doesn't get you to your ISP's data center | 05:59 |
| christopher_ | that explains a lot | 05:59 |
| christopher_ | they just bypass it on to me | 05:59 |
| christopher_ | then again I never abuse it | 05:59 |
| amason | so i guess what i'm saying is while you have unlimited data, your probably not allowed to download at the maximum speed your connection can provide...at least not at peak hour | 06:00 |
| christopher_ | which is why I do all this at night | 06:00 |
| amason | ok, where as in australia we get the full speed 100% of the time | 06:00 |
| amason | but you have a download limit | 06:00 |
| christopher_ | night time speeds 50+Mb/S, daytime its like 1.5~3 | 06:01 |
| amason | so it's horses for courses | 06:01 |
| amason | but it means that you can for example run really reliable voip over regular dsl etc.. | 06:01 |
| christopher_ | I have a dl limit if I use an out of country server to download from or visit a foreign page | 06:01 |
| christopher_ | yeah I have beautiful voip service | 06:02 |
| christopher_ | never an issue | 06:02 |
| christopher_ | even though its slow during the day, my voip doesnt cut out | 06:02 |
| christopher_ | I love it when time warner cable comes knocking on my door offering "the fastest internet service in the area" and I tell them that I have a nice 50Mb/s fiber optic, please move along | 06:03 |
| christopher_ | ive been with verizon for quite some time im not about to switch for a "cheaper service" anyway, its called customer satisfaction | 06:04 |
| christopher_ | I like my uptime | 06:04 |
| christopher_ | ok lunchtime ill be back sometime tomorrow, I need to head in to drop off a chart of printed automated BS documents | 06:08 |
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| N00bish | well ive reinstalled the os - 11.4 vs 10.4 so maybe that will help with the intel drivers | 06:44 |
| N00bish | it did help. the quality is v v bad though | 07:07 |
| N00bish | but i have a gui at least! | 07:07 |
| N00bish | any advice on how to crank down the colour and display quality on kde please? | 07:09 |
| N00bish | ive done it on my rdp viewer but it's still a mess on screen | 07:09 |
| bodoh | hallo all .. what's the trigger for installing jre? | 07:30 |
| bodoh | apt-get install jre? | 07:31 |
| N00bish | can anyone give me some command line instructions to reduce colour quality on kde? its so bad with the intel chipset that i cant navigate the menus properly :/ | 07:38 |
| N00bish | can anyone give me some command line instructions to reduce colour quality on kde? its so bad with the intel chipset that i cant navigate the menus properly :/ | 07:52 |
| sfears | N00bish: look into f.lux | 08:14 |
| N00bish | hey sfears | 08:14 |
| N00bish | ive updated to 11.4 but my crappy intel integrated graphics is all kinds of wrong | 08:15 |
| N00bish | the display text is almost unreadable | 08:15 |
| sfears | adjust your resolution frequency and see if that helps | 08:15 |
| N00bish | im not familiar with the menus on kde to know where that is with no text :( | 08:16 |
| N00bish | my graphics card is labelled as "unknown" so i think thats my fundamental prob | 08:16 |
| sfears | not necessarliy | 08:16 |
| sfears | can you set your resolution to 800x600? | 08:18 |
| N00bish | no because its so bad i cant read the sceen | 08:18 |
| N00bish | everything is composed of black dots | 08:18 |
| N00bish | the K menu on the bottom left is completely blank except for the icons | 08:18 |
| N00bish | think f.lux will help? | 08:19 |
| sfears | no, i misunderstood your issue | 08:20 |
| N00bish | sorry its like i have no display driver :( | 08:20 |
| N00bish | its a crappy onboard intel n10 | 08:20 |
| sfears | you asked about reducing quality. i don't think that's what you need to do | 08:20 |
| sfears | yeah, your having driver issues | 08:20 |
| N00bish | ive come from debian and i dont have enough command line knowledge to know how to identify and update my drivers | 08:21 |
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| N00bish | lspci tells me it's an n10 though | 08:22 |
| N00bish | from lspci: "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller" | 08:22 |
| sfears | try finding a generic xorg.conf file and placing it in your /etc/X11 directory | 08:22 |
| N00bish | ok thanks for the suggestion :) | 08:22 |
| sfears | from there you can get a limited display so that you can navigate to the additional drivers installation | 08:23 |
| N00bish | where abouts should i be looking for that in the menu's? | 08:23 |
| sfears | no, on google | 08:24 |
| N00bish | oh ok :) | 08:24 |
| sfears | bodoh: have you figured out java installation? | 08:25 |
| LINKSWORD2 | Hey guys, I've got an interesting problem. | 09:04 |
| LINKSWORD2 | For some reason, my system works fine when running a live CD, but hangs during loading with an installed Kubuntu OS. | 09:05 |
| bodoh | eh .. this gnome-shell is really not bad at all | 09:06 |
| bodoh | I think it simply wants to copy Mac's look | 09:06 |
| bodoh | that I dont really like | 09:06 |
| LINKSWORD2 | Linux is designed to be customizable, nearly down to every byte that the system processes. | 09:07 |
| simion314 | hi, is Ctrl+Alt+Numpad -/+ some shortcuts in KDE/Kwin? or X11 I can't find them, i want to disable them | 09:28 |
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| Guest7690 | ok | 10:29 |
| aLeSD_ | hi all | 11:00 |
| aLeSD_ | someone knows how to use mtp for my icecream ? | 11:00 |
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| === ubuntu is now known as DemonWitch | ||
| === ubuntu is now known as DemonWitch | ||
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| === root is now known as Thijsje | ||
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:59 |
| DemonWitch | /lib/modules/3.0.6-gentoo/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/test_nx.ko | 14:19 |
| DemonWitch | /lib/modules/3.0.6-gentoo/kernel/net/netfilter/xt_mark.ko | 14:19 |
| DemonWitch | /lib/modules/3.0.6-gentoo/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko | 14:19 |
| === af_ is now known as Guest32197 | ||
| Rosha | hey guys ! when I want install digikam/virtualbox/vlc/kaffeine or something like these i have too many packages for installing ! but in debian these pkgs installed with maximmum 20 mb .... | 14:35 |
| === cdg is now known as Guest79365 | ||
| vohe | hi. I got kubuntu installed. Everything works fine. Now i want merge my Thunderbird with the windows partition, that i can access under /media/data. But Thunderbird reports an error (file not found) so i have to mount first. | 15:28 |
| vohe | how can i get access to the /media/data partition right after boot? I found this: "UUID=48E3-A3AF /media/daten vfat " in /etc/fstab. But that doesn't work. | 15:29 |
| DemonWitch | i try to run wicd-curses and i get this error: http://dpaste.com/674277/ . how to fix it?' | 16:09 |
| === elisheva is now known as temp | ||
| === temp is now known as temp2 | ||
| vohe | does someone here uses tellico? | 17:14 |
| OrdosTrinitus | can anyone reccomend a good global occupy server and channel | 17:34 |
| e_t_ | Twitter? | 17:36 |
| BarkingFish | OrdosTrinitus: Ask in #defocus - we provide tech support here :) | 17:36 |
| BarkingFish | you might also want to /msg alis list *occupy* which will also help | 17:37 |
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| nico_ | hi | 17:54 |
| Antikiller | помогите kubuntu настроить, плиз! | 18:42 |
| BluesKaj | !bcm43 | 18:44 |
| BluesKaj | !bcm | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 18:44 |
| BluesKaj | !bcm43XX | 18:45 |
| ubottu | Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx | 18:45 |
| BluesKaj | !ralink | 18:47 |
| ubottu | Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 18:47 |
| BluesKaj | !rt2870 | 18:48 |
| BluesKaj | hmm | 18:48 |
| BluesKaj | !intelhda | 19:12 |
| ubottu | For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto | 19:12 |
| littlegirl | Hey there, I use Kubuntu Lucid Lynx, and for a few weeks now I haven't been getting notifications of updates in my tray like I used to. I haven't changed anything. The package manager settings are such that I should be notified, and I haven't deleted any widgets. Is there something I can do to fix this? | 19:15 |
| littlegirl | Also, when I right-click the tray and look in System Tray Settings, everything is checked, so it's not like it's disabled there, either. | 19:16 |
| Vaino | hi ! | 19:18 |
| BluesKaj | littlegirl, as an alternative , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , in the terminal | 19:19 |
| littlegirl | BluesKaj: Thanks, but I knew that already. I'd like something to pop up like it used to. (: | 19:19 |
| * BluesKaj shrugs ..maybe there aren't any updates if the notifier isn't notifying :) | 19:20 | |
| littlegirl | There are currently updates. (: | 19:20 |
| littlegirl | This has been happening for a while now, and I've tried checking my settings, checking if there's a widget that somehow got removed that I could put back, and checking if maybe there are no updates. But there have been updates many times recently and no notification. I'm hoping someone here will know what I could check. | 19:21 |
| BluesKaj | littlegirl, then it's not problem , if there's an alternative ...maybe the update in the terminal will fix the notification problem | 19:21 |
| littlegirl | BluesKaj: That's what I thought the last few times there were updates. But thanks. (: | 19:22 |
| littlegirl | BluesKaj: Do you know who the developer of the notification interface is? | 19:23 |
| littlegirl | Maybe if I write to him or her directly I could find out what needs to be fixed. (: | 19:23 |
| Vaino | hi, i have a little problem with the 2 last updates, naybody can help me? | 19:28 |
| k0s | 1 | 19:28 |
| Vaino | the updates stop at 66% of the instalation... that's quite strange... | 19:29 |
| max_ | Anyone could please answer me about dolphin ? | 19:47 |
| BluesKaj | max_, more details pls | 19:55 |
| max_ | since KDE 7.4.4 dolphin doesn't display personal icon on my remote folder (nfs mounted system) | 20:04 |
| max_ | First, I think it's a problem with KIO wich don't read the .directory file when it's a remote file system | 20:05 |
| max_ | But, the display mode ( recorder from this file too) is save corectly | 20:06 |
| === Guest78567 is now known as zkriesse | ||
| ROmeyro | hello guys, is it better to install kubuntu or ubuntu 32bits into a 64bits system or its better to to get a 64bits for a 64 bits? | 21:14 |
| ArchangelSe7en | ROmeyro, question | 21:16 |
| ArchangelSe7en | how much ram do you have ? | 21:16 |
| ROmeyro | 4gb ram | 21:17 |
| badboyyyyyy | лол | 21:20 |
| badboyyyyyy | lol | 21:20 |
| badboyyyyyy | hello all | 21:20 |
| === Guest64304 is now known as Aranel | ||
| messerting | Hi, I just installed kubuntu x86_64, chose to encrypt my home folder, but after installation, I was not able to log in - incorrect password. Known issue? | 22:07 |
| messerting | I did boot in rescue mode, reset the password, "passwd <user>", but still, I couldn't login | 22:09 |
| * messerting re-installing now | 22:09 | |
| messerting | Nevermind - worked after re-installation it seems :P | 22:16 |
| messerting | On first login, kubuntu 11.10, I get "Local folders: Maildir '' for collection '' is invalid.". Okay... | 22:18 |
| === mike is now known as Guest26079 | ||
| Guest26079 | Hello, I need some help changing my DPI on a fresh kubuntu 11.10 install with updates | 22:29 |
| Guest26079 | Can anyone tell me where to find the "Force Font DPI" setting on the new KDE? | 22:34 |
| mike_ | I figured it out (DPI) | 22:37 |
| === gaurav_ is now known as Guest14052 | ||
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