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Arizona_Bayhey guys what is the best messenger to receive and send custom emoticons? I should include from different messenger clients01:13
Arizona_Bay?01:16
zkriesseHmmm01:17
zkriesseProbably pidgin I would think01:17
zkriesseBu that depends upon what clients you intend to receive from01:17
Arizona_Bayno its not working ; __ :01:18
Arizona_Baypeople who use msn live i cant see their smileys and they cantt see mine01:18
Arizona_Baymsn live mostly01:18
zkriesseHmmm01:19
zkriesseI would have no idea the01:19
zkriesse"then"01:19
deper29hey guys, I'm wondering if someone can help me get my sound working on my TV. I'm trying to use this guide, but it isn't working http://www.geoffke.be/nieuws/5/04:47
holsteindeper29: HDMI out not working?04:52
deper29video is, but not the audio. I gave up on that quest :(04:52
bioterrorI have same problem04:52
holsteinyup, it happens04:52
bioterrorworks fine with radeon card, but what comes to nvidia04:52
deper29I figured I would just run audio cables through my sound card and all would be good04:52
holsteindeper29: i have only helped setup the audiophile with JACK04:53
deper29bioterror: with HDMI sound?04:53
holsteinyou should be able to install pavucontrol and select it for pulse though04:53
holsteinsudo apt-get install pavucontrol04:53
deper29hmm04:53
deper29seems I already have that installed04:53
holsteingive it a look... its something like pulse mixer... or pulse audio settings.. im not sure where you find it in unit04:54
holsteiny04:54
deper29ran pavucontrol04:55
holsteinyou might need to undo this http://www.geoffke.be/nieuws/5/04:55
bioterrordeper29, yes, with hdmi audio out04:55
deper29ICE1712 is my selected playback04:55
holsteini would probably just try a live 11.10 CD and install pavucontrol... and go from there04:55
holsteinit *should* work in 10.04 though04:55
deper29how do I undo that?04:56
holsteinthat card has support04:56
deper29I was silly and didn't make a backup of that file :/04:56
deper29bioterror: were you able to get yours going?04:56
bioterrorno, not with the nvidia ion04:56
bioterrorlast time I recommend nvidia to someone :D04:56
deper29darn04:57
holsteinhttp://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ice171204:57
holsteini wouldnt lose sleep over playing audio out of that card... i mean, it'll be better, but not *that* much better04:57
deper29it'd be nice to have some sort of audio that can go to my TV though04:58
holsteinuse the internal card04:58
deper29it's either that or tackle that stupid HDMI thing04:58
holsteinor some $4 USB thingy04:58
bioterroryeah, I threw my stereos to recycling bin. would be nice to have audio from hdmi to tv04:58
holsteinanyways.. i gotta crash.. feel free and ask in #opensourcemusicians deper29 ... but i dont know anyone using that *without* JACK04:59
deper29thanks holstein04:59
holsteinthat = the audiofile 249604:59
deper29I mean, I can boot into windows and watch my tv shows and movies, but I really shouldn't have to :P05:00
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truepurpleI am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system08:03
truepurpleCan anyone help?08:03
truepurpleLike it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%08:06
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allenyki've got a question here. does lubuntu have any wubi support?11:10
SnicksieI'll take alook for you allenyk :)11:17
allenykthanks11:17
Snicksieit seems it supports wubi install allenyk :)11:19
Snicksieaccording to this message: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03783.html11:20
Snicksieah, wait...11:20
Snicksieseems like it doesnt :(11:20
allenykbut lubuntu iso i downloaded only has the "ubuntu wubi install" option11:21
geirhaKeep in mind that Lubuntu IS Ubuntu. The only difference is that they have a different set of packages installed by default.11:23
geirhaIf you install Ubuntu, you can convert it to Lubuntu by removing and installing the right set of packages, and vice versa.11:24
Snicksiegeirha, of course its easier not having to fix packages to have lubuntu ;)11:24
geirhaAye, but if the Lubuntu offers a "Ubuntu Wubi install", I'm sure it'll install Lubuntu.11:25
Snicksieon the lubuntu iso there are only the lubuntu packages usually... So you should be able to install lubuntu via wubi11:25
geirha*the Lubuntu iso11:25
allenykah thanks snicksie & geirha11:26
allenyk since i am a beginer, i don't konw which packages should be removed and installed11:27
allenyk any details about the difference between the packages of ubuntu and lubuntu?11:28
geirhaYou don't have to worry about that. You have the Lubuntu CD, so it will install Lubuntu.11:29
geirhaThe main difference is the desktop environment.11:29
allenyk  but after i choose "ubuntu wubi install ", there is no sign that i am installing lubuntu11:30
allenykand someone on line says it's a bug of the lubuntu iso11:31
geirhaThat it says Ubuntu instead of Lubuntu?11:31
allenyk  yeah11:32
geirhahttps://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/17507411:35
geirhaAh ok, that more or less answers it. wubi install is not officially supported for lubuntu.11:35
geirhaAny reason why you don't want to do a standard install of Lubuntu instead?11:35
allenykfor some work i have to do rely on the softwares in windows environment11:37
allenykmaybe in future i can totally replace windows with linux11:37
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allenyk  maybe there are other ways that lubuntu can be compatible with winddows. but i am familiar with them yet11:39
geirhaallenyk: You can install it along side windows11:40
geirhaYou don't need wubi for that.11:40
geirhaYou boot from the CD, and choose install. The installer will give you the option of wiping the disk and install lubuntu on the entire disk, or to shrink your windows and install lubuntu next to it.11:42
allenykoh yeah i've seen the option"install linux alongside windows" in virtual box. but i am afraid it will ruin my windows partrition since it doesn't tell me where to install it11:42
geirhadoesn't tell you where to install it? what do you mean?11:45
allenykin windows i divide the whole disk into C,D,E,F volumes and windows is installed in C. i am afraid the installation of lubuntu will wipe the C volume11:46
geirhaIt won't11:49
geirhaHowever, there's a third option11:49
geirhaif you resize one or more of your partitions, leaving it as unallocated space, you can tell the installer to use the unallocated space.11:50
allenykoh i got it. i can choose the third option to decide where to install it11:51
geirhaThough the unallocated space should be contigous11:51
allenyk  thanks a lot, geirha11:51
geirhaYes, by manually doing the resizing yourself.11:51
geirhaSince you've already divided your harddrive into multiple partitions, you probably know how to do that. :)11:51
allenyk   yeah, i know what to do now. sorry to bother you with my silly questions. thanks again11:52
geirhaNo bother. Keep asking whenever you have a question. It's what this channel is for.11:53
allenykit's my first time to be here, and it's really a nice experience to ask questions here. i think it's a pretty good start for my linux learning11:55
truepurpleI am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%12:13
Mad_Bearhey there!12:27
Mad_BearI have some problem with watching video on my Ubuntu 11.1012:27
Mad_Bearthere is a strong screen tearing12:27
Mad_BearI tried to use both smplayer and vlc12:28
Mad_Bearbut none of them helped12:28
Mad_Bearcan anybody help me with this?12:28
Snicksietruepurple, if its all right you should be able to view all processes instead of just your processes in system monitor. does that show you what process it is?12:33
SnicksieMad_Bear, do you have the correct graphical drivers installed? maybe thats causing problems :)12:33
Mad_BearI've installed proprietary drivers12:34
truepurpleSnicksie, I am not sure what you mean12:34
truepurpleMad_Bear, what video card?12:35
Mad_BearGTX460 768mb12:35
Snicksietruepurple, are you using system monitor to check what processes are taking up so much cpu and memory usage? :)12:35
truepurpleyes12:35
Snicksiein that case you should be able to show all processes in view -> all processes12:35
truepurple But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process12:36
Mad_Bear truepurple: GTX46012:36
truepurpleIt says i am using much more ram and CPU then listed processes say they are using12:36
truepurpleMad_Bear, I can't help you much, I wrestle with having a AMD radeon 6850 and its driver issues myself. But it is likely to be a driver problem anyway, though getting more codex might help you too, got the forbidden content thing or what ever its called?12:38
truepurplesettings in the video card driver might also help12:38
Mad_Bear truepurple: I've enabled all vsync options that I could12:39
Mad_Bearin Nvidea driver and in CCSM12:39
Mad_Bearnothing has helped12:39
truepurpleWell there are other settings that can address such things sometimes, but if you can't find any settings that help, look to the other two things I mentioned12:40
Mad_Bearbut there was some moment when I switched to Gnome classic12:40
Mad_Bearand everything was all right12:40
Mad_Bearthere was no tearing12:40
truepurple and then after awhile it came back?12:41
truepurpleSnicksie,  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process12:42
Mad_Bearwhen I've returned to Unity it has come back, yes12:42
truepurpleMad_Bear, when its in classic mode, no matter how long, its not there?12:42
Mad_Bearyup12:42
truepurpleUm, simple solution then12:42
truepurpleI think you can figure it out12:43
Mad_Bearmaybe it's because there are no Compiz there?12:43
Mad_Bearbut I like Compiz12:43
truepurpleBut if you really like unity (bleh) then try unity 2d12:43
truepurpleI can't even get unity 3d to work for me12:43
Mad_BearI still think there is some option that can handle with that12:43
truepurpleAs I said, try unity 2d, it must have most all the same features12:44
Mad_BearI tried 2d - it didn't help12:44
truepurpleIt could be a driver issue then12:44
truepurpleMaybe unity version is using a different driver? I don't know much about linux myself12:45
truepurpleJust started using it earlier this year12:45
truepurpleSnicksie, you still there?12:46
Snicksieyep :)12:46
truepurpleSnicksie,  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process12:47
SnicksieI dont know how to fix it then :(12:47
Snicksiemaybe there are other people here or in the #ubuntu channel who do12:47
truepurpleSnicksie, could it be someones hijacked my system somehow? Or got one of those programs on that use my computation power for other things? Or are there more simple explanations you can think of?12:48
SnicksieI dont know, sorry :(12:49
Snicksiemaybe its just something in the kernel that takes too much cpu and/or a memory leak...12:50
Mad_Bearmaybe you guys can tell me how to change the visual style then?)12:50
Mad_BearI tried to install ambiance blue12:51
Mad_Bearfollowed all the instrustions provided12:51
Mad_Bearbut Ubuntu is still orange12:51
truepurpleI can't help you with that in any way but trying to reason through it with you12:52
truepurpleSnicksie, and if it was in the kernal, it wouldn't list in processes?12:56
SnicksieI dont know :)12:56
s-foxHello.13:14
truepurplehi13:25
truepurplehelper or helpE fox?13:26
s-foxtruepurple,  IRC works best when you ping a correct ID ;)13:27
s-foxIn this came I am here to help.13:27
truepurpleI actually meant not to ping you then13:28
truepurples-fox, I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%13:28
s-foxI am not sure truepurple .13:33
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truepurpleyofel,  I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%13:43
Unit193truepurple: It's not nice to randomly directly ask a person that changes his name a question that he can just scrollup to see.13:46
truepurpleDidn't know it was mean13:47
truepurpleI will try to keep that in mind13:47
s-foxThank you.13:47
head_victimtruepurple: regarding your ram - http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ regarding your CPU - I'd run top in a terminal and watch it. When the CPU Core spikes it will show what process is using it. If nothing shows up as using it then report it as a bug13:48
truepurplehead_victim, How do I run top in terminal? It seems there is always 1 core at max, and it just randomly changes which one is at max.13:50
head_victimtruepurple: open a terminal and type in "top"13:50
truepurplehead_victim, there is a entry in top always at 100%  435 root      16  -4 1373m 1.3g  356 R  100 16.9 679:37.40 udevd13:53
head_victimWhat version of Ubuntu do you run?13:54
truepurple11.0413:55
head_victimThat implies it's constantly trying to find your hardware.13:56
truepurpleWhat hardware?13:56
truepurpleI mean which hardware?13:57
head_victimAt least now you know what the issue is I'd start googling around something like "ubuntu 11.04 udevd using cpu"13:57
head_victimNo idea without poking around in logs13:57
head_victimIf you run the command "dmesg | tail" it might give you some idea13:57
head_victimActually, apparently if you run the "udevadm monitor" command it wil give you the output of udev13:58
truepurplehead_victim, do you think it has anything to do with the very long load time for my PC, and the fact that it hangs with different screen stuff sometimes when shutting down?13:58
head_victimThey're likely related.13:58
truepurpleAnd is there a way to get a screen shot or log of a stuck log off screen?13:58
head_victimtruepurple: no idea, I'd try the udevadm monitor and see what that says first.13:59
head_victimFix that and see if the other problems are fixed with it13:59
truepurpleOk I put in udevadm monitor, its giving me a continuous long stream of stuff going by too fast to read, interrupt it or let it run for awhile?14:00
truepurpleWell some of it is too fast to read, the rest never changes so is easy to read14:00
head_victimI'd hit control+C which will stop it14:00
head_victimTHen you should be able to scroll up in the terminal and read some of it. Pastebin it if you like14:01
truepurpleOk, the stuff here doesn't make any sense to me14:01
truepurpleI will give you a line, most all of its the same14:01
truepurpleUDEV  [1324044055.637473] change   /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.4/2-1.4:1.0/host10/target10:0:0/10:0:0:1/block/sr1 (block)14:01
head_victimAh, let me guess, you have set up an ntfs drive to automount?14:02
truepurpleLine after line of that, with a few of the numbers changing14:02
truepurpleNot sure, I know I added a partition, I think I made it ntfs14:02
truepurpleI plan to eventually set up dual boot14:02
head_victimWell there is an issue there that you'll need to either remove the entry to stop it constantly trying to mount it or find out what's wrong with it and fix it.14:03
truepurpleI found this thread, but I can't make much of the information it gives14:03
truepurplehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=938931914:03
truepurplehead_victim, how do I remove the entry?14:04
truepurpleand find out what is wrong with that?14:04
truepurpleI mean what?14:04
head_victimThat thread isn't related to your issue, that thread was about a bug. Yours is doing what it's meant to be doing but there is an error in what you've set it up to do.14:04
truepurpleI think this was doing this long before I added that partition though14:05
truepurplehead_victim, sorry to be so clueless, but I am a bit lost, please provide more detail14:06
head_victimOk so with that UDEV line you pasted, the long number is the timestamp of the event, the change is signifying that udev has tried to make a change, the devices bit is basically telling you that sr1 is causing the issues.14:06
head_victimOH I missed it, it might be a usb drive or device you have plugged in?14:06
geirhasr1, that sounds like a cd or dvd drive or something14:07
truepurplewell, I do have a bad motherboard (pretty sure anyway), something causes my system to lose the USB flash drive sometimes anyway14:07
head_victimgeirha: yeah, sounding like a usb dvd drive14:07
truepurplenot seriously bad, but it causes some issues, need to exchange it with warranty one of these days14:08
truepurpleThe USB flash drive isn't lost now though14:08
truepurplehead_victim, I don't have a usb DVD drive14:09
truepurpleI have a internal one14:09
head_victimgeirha: I'm not really sure what I'm looking at without poking around more, any ideas?14:09
truepurpleWell give me instructions to poke around and I will14:10
head_victimtruepurple: I'd just be looking up lspci -vv and lsusb -vv and trying to match a device with the line of udev you just gave14:11
truepurplewant me to pastebin the output of them?14:11
geirhaDo you have any cd/dvd drives currently connected via usb?14:11
truepurpleno I said14:11
geirhaAh, sorry, missed that.14:12
truepurpleI got a flash drive and a mouse connected via usb14:12
truepurpleand that is it14:12
head_victimtruepurple & geirha I have to head off for a while, if geirha isn't sure I'd just run the commands I listed above and just pore over the output to see if any of the lines match with some part of the UDEV output you had before. If you can match it to one device theny ou know exactly which piece of hardware is either faulty or not correctly installed.14:14
geirhaI'd see if those UDEV lines kept coming if you disconnect the flash drive14:16
truepurplegeirha, just dismount and try udevadm monitor again?14:17
geirhaunmount and physically disconnect it14:18
truepurplethen the udevadm monitor command again?14:19
geirhaYes14:19
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truepurplegeirha, when I try to safely remove the usb flash drive it says "Could not display "computer:///"." and "Error: location already mounted. Please select another viewer and try again"14:26
geirhaHum, weird14:27
truepurpleand now when i try to click on it and use it, it says "Error mounting: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist"14:27
truepurpleEven though it was working fine before I tried to dismount it14:28
truepurpleabove that, "unable to mount flash drive"14:28
Snicksietruepurple, the problem with location already mounted could be because you try to unmount it multiple times... I've got that sometimes too :)14:32
truepurpleSnicksie, no, I have not tried to dismount it more then once this session14:33
Snicksiedid you take your usb flash device out of the computer? :)14:33
Snicksieokay, maybe its just doubleclicked or so... but thats not important for now :)14:33
truepurpleSnicksie, no, since it got all buggy and I dont even know if it is safe to remove or not14:35
Snicksieif you unmounted it, it should be fine to take it out of your computer14:35
Snicksieunless your computer is writing to or reading from your usb device, it is no problem to take it out :)14:36
truepurplewell I dont know if it is unmounted, but ok14:38
truepurplegeirha, now run  udevadm monitor despite errors?14:39
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Snicksietruepurple, have you runned udevadm monitor yet? :)14:47
Snicksieif your usb is disconnected, you should do that and see if there are still errors ;)14:47
jp_HraniceI can not run Ubuntu Precise in low-graphic mode to allow nvidia graphic driver. Nobody answer on #ubuntu-testing.14:53
Unit193That's because you need to join #ubuntu+1 :)14:54
jp_Hraniceheh  ???14:54
Unit193jp_Hranice: The support channel for Precise is #ubuntu+1 not #ubuntu-testing14:55
jp_HraniceUnit193:  Thank you14:55
Unit193You're welcome14:56
truepurpleSnicksie, geirha  ran udevadm monitor after removing flash drive, same result14:56
Snicksieokay, in that case it might be another device that's troubling...14:57
Snicksieyou have other usb devices except for your mouse? :)14:59
Snicksie<head_victim> truepurple: I'd just be looking up lspci -vv and lsusb -vv and trying to match a device with the line of udev you just gave14:59
Snicksiejust pastebin your output and we'll see if we can find a device that matches your udev output :)15:00
truepurpleweird, I ran lspci -vv and there is a line "00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express R" and stuff under it, repeated 4 times, the only difference is the number after the c counts up from015:00
truepurpleI remember somewhere else there being a absurd amount of entries for a few things, but I can't recall where15:01
truepurpleI mean in another program15:01
truepurpleSorry, I mean more then 4 times, not sure how many times that bit repeats15:02
Snicksiecan you pastebin your output? :)15:04
truepurplehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/772283/15:05
truepurpleSnicksie,15:05
truepurplefor the first command15:05
truepurpleSnicksie, the second command gives output too long to display it all, is there a way to increase terminals buffer limit?15:06
truepurpleor should I just copy/paste what could fit?15:06
Snicksieif im correct, there's a way to pastebin it directly from your commandline. have a sec :)15:07
Unit193You should be able to pastebinit15:07
Snicksieyep, thats what I meant :)15:07
Unit193lsusb -vv | pastebinit15:07
truepurpleSnicksie, http://paste.ubuntu.com/772287/15:08
truepurpleI made a error anyway, I got the previous lines mixed up with the next ones15:08
truepurplesnicksie, but the pastebin output is different then the one using the pastebinit command15:09
truepurpleSnicksie, it discluded alot of "can't get hub descriptor: Operation not permitted15:10
truepurplecan't get device qualifier: Operation not permitted15:10
truepurplecan't get debug descriptor: Operation not permitted15:10
truepurplecannot read device status, Operation not permitted (1)15:10
truepurple"15:10
truepurplestuff like that15:10
SnicksieUnit193, you think that command could be runned in sudo? :)15:10
Unit193It's just a normal pipe15:11
truepurplesudo did it though15:11
Snicksie:)15:11
truepurpleSnicksie, here is the complete one for the second command http://paste.ubuntu.com/772293/15:12
Snicksieokay. you can see that line 240 has the same 00:1d as your line: Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub15:13
Snicksie  iSerial                 1 0000:00:1d.015:13
Snicksieseems its a problem with your usb...15:15
SnicksieI dont know what the problem and/or the solution is, i'm sorry :(15:16
truepurplegeirha, head_victim, got any ideas?15:26
truepurpleSnicksie, could it be caused by a defective MoBoard perhaps?15:27
Snicksiecould be of course :)15:27
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LemonAidAnyone got kernel panics on 11.04 x64 that could be related to firefox?22:27
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