[01:13] <Arizona_Bay> hey guys what is the best messenger to receive and send custom emoticons? I should include from different messenger clients
[01:16] <Arizona_Bay> ?
[01:17] <zkriesse> Hmmm
[01:17] <zkriesse> Probably pidgin I would think
[01:17] <zkriesse> Bu that depends upon what clients you intend to receive from
[01:18] <Arizona_Bay> no its not working ; __ :
[01:18] <Arizona_Bay> people who use msn live i cant see their smileys and they cantt see mine
[01:18] <Arizona_Bay> msn live mostly
[01:19] <zkriesse> Hmmm
[01:19] <zkriesse> I would have no idea the
[01:19] <zkriesse> "then"
[04:47] <deper29> hey guys, I'm wondering if someone can help me get my sound working on my TV. I'm trying to use this guide, but it isn't working http://www.geoffke.be/nieuws/5/
[04:52] <holstein> deper29: HDMI out not working?
[04:52] <deper29> video is, but not the audio. I gave up on that quest :(
[04:52] <bioterror> I have same problem
[04:52] <holstein> yup, it happens
[04:52] <bioterror> works fine with radeon card, but what comes to nvidia
[04:52] <deper29> I figured I would just run audio cables through my sound card and all would be good
[04:53] <holstein> deper29: i have only helped setup the audiophile with JACK
[04:53] <deper29> bioterror: with HDMI sound?
[04:53] <holstein> you should be able to install pavucontrol and select it for pulse though
[04:53] <holstein> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[04:53] <deper29> hmm
[04:53] <deper29> seems I already have that installed
[04:54] <holstein> give it a look... its something like pulse mixer... or pulse audio settings.. im not sure where you find it in unit
[04:54] <holstein> y
[04:55] <deper29> ran pavucontrol
[04:55] <holstein> you might need to undo this http://www.geoffke.be/nieuws/5/
[04:55] <bioterror> deper29, yes, with hdmi audio out
[04:55] <deper29> ICE1712 is my selected playback
[04:55] <holstein> i would probably just try a live 11.10 CD and install pavucontrol... and go from there
[04:55] <holstein> it *should* work in 10.04 though
[04:56] <deper29> how do I undo that?
[04:56] <holstein> that card has support
[04:56] <deper29> I was silly and didn't make a backup of that file :/
[04:56] <deper29> bioterror: were you able to get yours going?
[04:56] <bioterror> no, not with the nvidia ion
[04:56] <bioterror> last time I recommend nvidia to someone :D
[04:57] <deper29> darn
[04:57] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ice1712
[04:57] <holstein> i wouldnt lose sleep over playing audio out of that card... i mean, it'll be better, but not *that* much better
[04:58] <deper29> it'd be nice to have some sort of audio that can go to my TV though
[04:58] <holstein> use the internal card
[04:58] <deper29> it's either that or tackle that stupid HDMI thing
[04:58] <holstein> or some $4 USB thingy
[04:58] <bioterror> yeah, I threw my stereos to recycling bin. would be nice to have audio from hdmi to tv
[04:59] <holstein> anyways.. i gotta crash.. feel free and ask in #opensourcemusicians deper29 ... but i dont know anyone using that *without* JACK
[04:59] <deper29> thanks holstein
[04:59] <holstein> that = the audiofile 2496
[05:00] <deper29> I mean, I can boot into windows and watch my tv shows and movies, but I really shouldn't have to :P
[08:03] <truepurple> I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system
[08:03] <truepurple> Can anyone help?
[08:06] <truepurple> Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[11:10] <allenyk> i've got a question here. does lubuntu have any wubi support?
[11:17] <Snicksie> I'll take alook for you allenyk :)
[11:17] <allenyk> thanks
[11:19] <Snicksie> it seems it supports wubi install allenyk :)
[11:20] <Snicksie> according to this message: https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03783.html
[11:20] <Snicksie> ah, wait...
[11:20] <Snicksie> seems like it doesnt :(
[11:21] <allenyk> but lubuntu iso i downloaded only has the "ubuntu wubi install" option
[11:23] <geirha> Keep in mind that Lubuntu IS Ubuntu. The only difference is that they have a different set of packages installed by default.
[11:24] <geirha> If you install Ubuntu, you can convert it to Lubuntu by removing and installing the right set of packages, and vice versa.
[11:24] <Snicksie> geirha, of course its easier not having to fix packages to have lubuntu ;)
[11:25] <geirha> Aye, but if the Lubuntu offers a "Ubuntu Wubi install", I'm sure it'll install Lubuntu.
[11:25] <Snicksie> on the lubuntu iso there are only the lubuntu packages usually... So you should be able to install lubuntu via wubi
[11:25] <geirha> *the Lubuntu iso
[11:26] <allenyk> ah thanks snicksie & geirha
[11:27] <allenyk>  since i am a beginer, i don't konw which packages should be removed and installed
[11:28] <allenyk>  any details about the difference between the packages of ubuntu and lubuntu?
[11:29] <geirha> You don't have to worry about that. You have the Lubuntu CD, so it will install Lubuntu.
[11:29] <geirha> The main difference is the desktop environment.
[11:30] <allenyk>   but after i choose "ubuntu wubi install ", there is no sign that i am installing lubuntu
[11:31] <allenyk> and someone on line says it's a bug of the lubuntu iso
[11:31] <geirha> That it says Ubuntu instead of Lubuntu?
[11:32] <allenyk>   yeah
[11:35] <geirha> https://answers.launchpad.net/wubi/+question/175074
[11:35] <geirha> Ah ok, that more or less answers it. wubi install is not officially supported for lubuntu.
[11:35] <geirha> Any reason why you don't want to do a standard install of Lubuntu instead?
[11:37] <allenyk> for some work i have to do rely on the softwares in windows environment
[11:37] <allenyk> maybe in future i can totally replace windows with linux
[11:39] <allenyk>   maybe there are other ways that lubuntu can be compatible with winddows. but i am familiar with them yet
[11:40] <geirha> allenyk: You can install it along side windows
[11:40] <geirha> You don't need wubi for that.
[11:42] <geirha> You boot from the CD, and choose install. The installer will give you the option of wiping the disk and install lubuntu on the entire disk, or to shrink your windows and install lubuntu next to it.
[11:42] <allenyk> oh yeah i've seen the option"install linux alongside windows" in virtual box. but i am afraid it will ruin my windows partrition since it doesn't tell me where to install it
[11:45] <geirha> doesn't tell you where to install it? what do you mean?
[11:46] <allenyk> in windows i divide the whole disk into C,D,E,F volumes and windows is installed in C. i am afraid the installation of lubuntu will wipe the C volume
[11:49] <geirha> It won't
[11:49] <geirha> However, there's a third option
[11:50] <geirha> if you resize one or more of your partitions, leaving it as unallocated space, you can tell the installer to use the unallocated space.
[11:51] <allenyk> oh i got it. i can choose the third option to decide where to install it
[11:51] <geirha> Though the unallocated space should be contigous
[11:51] <allenyk>   thanks a lot, geirha
[11:51] <geirha> Yes, by manually doing the resizing yourself.
[11:51] <geirha> Since you've already divided your harddrive into multiple partitions, you probably know how to do that. :)
[11:52] <allenyk>    yeah, i know what to do now. sorry to bother you with my silly questions. thanks again
[11:53] <geirha> No bother. Keep asking whenever you have a question. It's what this channel is for.
[11:55] <allenyk> it's my first time to be here, and it's really a nice experience to ask questions here. i think it's a pretty good start for my linux learning
[12:13] <truepurple> I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[12:27] <Mad_Bear> hey there!
[12:27] <Mad_Bear> I have some problem with watching video on my Ubuntu 11.10
[12:27] <Mad_Bear> there is a strong screen tearing
[12:28] <Mad_Bear> I tried to use both smplayer and vlc
[12:28] <Mad_Bear> but none of them helped
[12:28] <Mad_Bear> can anybody help me with this?
[12:33] <Snicksie> truepurple, if its all right you should be able to view all processes instead of just your processes in system monitor. does that show you what process it is?
[12:33] <Snicksie> Mad_Bear, do you have the correct graphical drivers installed? maybe thats causing problems :)
[12:34] <Mad_Bear> I've installed proprietary drivers
[12:34] <truepurple> Snicksie, I am not sure what you mean
[12:35] <truepurple> Mad_Bear, what video card?
[12:35] <Mad_Bear> GTX460 768mb
[12:35] <Snicksie> truepurple, are you using system monitor to check what processes are taking up so much cpu and memory usage? :)
[12:35] <truepurple> yes
[12:35] <Snicksie> in that case you should be able to show all processes in view -> all processes
[12:36] <truepurple>  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process
[12:36] <Mad_Bear>  truepurple: GTX460
[12:36] <truepurple> It says i am using much more ram and CPU then listed processes say they are using
[12:38] <truepurple> Mad_Bear, I can't help you much, I wrestle with having a AMD radeon 6850 and its driver issues myself. But it is likely to be a driver problem anyway, though getting more codex might help you too, got the forbidden content thing or what ever its called?
[12:38] <truepurple> settings in the video card driver might also help
[12:39] <Mad_Bear>  truepurple: I've enabled all vsync options that I could
[12:39] <Mad_Bear> in Nvidea driver and in CCSM
[12:39] <Mad_Bear> nothing has helped
[12:40] <truepurple> Well there are other settings that can address such things sometimes, but if you can't find any settings that help, look to the other two things I mentioned
[12:40] <Mad_Bear> but there was some moment when I switched to Gnome classic
[12:40] <Mad_Bear> and everything was all right
[12:40] <Mad_Bear> there was no tearing
[12:41] <truepurple>  and then after awhile it came back?
[12:42] <truepurple> Snicksie,  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process
[12:42] <Mad_Bear> when I've returned to Unity it has come back, yes
[12:42] <truepurple> Mad_Bear, when its in classic mode, no matter how long, its not there?
[12:42] <Mad_Bear> yup
[12:42] <truepurple> Um, simple solution then
[12:43] <truepurple> I think you can figure it out
[12:43] <Mad_Bear> maybe it's because there are no Compiz there?
[12:43] <Mad_Bear> but I like Compiz
[12:43] <truepurple> But if you really like unity (bleh) then try unity 2d
[12:43] <truepurple> I can't even get unity 3d to work for me
[12:43] <Mad_Bear> I still think there is some option that can handle with that
[12:44] <truepurple> As I said, try unity 2d, it must have most all the same features
[12:44] <Mad_Bear> I tried 2d - it didn't help
[12:44] <truepurple> It could be a driver issue then
[12:45] <truepurple> Maybe unity version is using a different driver? I don't know much about linux myself
[12:45] <truepurple> Just started using it earlier this year
[12:46] <truepurple> Snicksie, you still there?
[12:46] <Snicksie> yep :)
[12:47] <truepurple> Snicksie,  But nothing in there, whether ram or CPU is reflected in any shown running process
[12:47] <Snicksie> I dont know how to fix it then :(
[12:47] <Snicksie> maybe there are other people here or in the #ubuntu channel who do
[12:48] <truepurple> Snicksie, could it be someones hijacked my system somehow? Or got one of those programs on that use my computation power for other things? Or are there more simple explanations you can think of?
[12:49] <Snicksie> I dont know, sorry :(
[12:50] <Snicksie> maybe its just something in the kernel that takes too much cpu and/or a memory leak...
[12:50] <Mad_Bear> maybe you guys can tell me how to change the visual style then?)
[12:51] <Mad_Bear> I tried to install ambiance blue
[12:51] <Mad_Bear> followed all the instrustions provided
[12:51] <Mad_Bear> but Ubuntu is still orange
[12:52] <truepurple> I can't help you with that in any way but trying to reason through it with you
[12:56] <truepurple> Snicksie, and if it was in the kernal, it wouldn't list in processes?
[12:56] <Snicksie> I dont know :)
[13:14] <s-fox> Hello.
[13:25] <truepurple> hi
[13:26] <truepurple> helper or helpE fox?
[13:27] <s-fox> truepurple,  IRC works best when you ping a correct ID ;)
[13:27] <s-fox> In this came I am here to help.
[13:28] <truepurple> I actually meant not to ping you then
[13:28] <truepurple> s-fox, I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[13:33] <s-fox> I am not sure truepurple .
[13:43] <truepurple> yofel,  I am having trouble with system processes being taken up by a seemingly idle ubuntu system.  Like it says it is using 2.3gb of memory, but the list of processes running doesn't suggest anything near that, and it seems like nearly always that one core or another of my 4 core intel recent cpu is maxed out at 100%
[13:46] <Unit193> truepurple: It's not nice to randomly directly ask a person that changes his name a question that he can just scrollup to see.
[13:47] <truepurple> Didn't know it was mean
[13:47] <truepurple> I will try to keep that in mind
[13:47] <s-fox> Thank you.
[13:48] <head_victim> truepurple: regarding your ram - http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ regarding your CPU - I'd run top in a terminal and watch it. When the CPU Core spikes it will show what process is using it. If nothing shows up as using it then report it as a bug
[13:50] <truepurple> head_victim, How do I run top in terminal? It seems there is always 1 core at max, and it just randomly changes which one is at max.
[13:50] <head_victim> truepurple: open a terminal and type in "top"
[13:53] <truepurple> head_victim, there is a entry in top always at 100%  435 root      16  -4 1373m 1.3g  356 R  100 16.9 679:37.40 udevd
[13:54] <head_victim> What version of Ubuntu do you run?
[13:55] <truepurple> 11.04
[13:56] <head_victim> That implies it's constantly trying to find your hardware.
[13:56] <truepurple> What hardware?
[13:57] <truepurple> I mean which hardware?
[13:57] <head_victim> At least now you know what the issue is I'd start googling around something like "ubuntu 11.04 udevd using cpu"
[13:57] <head_victim> No idea without poking around in logs
[13:57] <head_victim> If you run the command "dmesg | tail" it might give you some idea
[13:58] <head_victim> Actually, apparently if you run the "udevadm monitor" command it wil give you the output of udev
[13:58] <truepurple> head_victim, do you think it has anything to do with the very long load time for my PC, and the fact that it hangs with different screen stuff sometimes when shutting down?
[13:58] <head_victim> They're likely related.
[13:58] <truepurple> And is there a way to get a screen shot or log of a stuck log off screen?
[13:59] <head_victim> truepurple: no idea, I'd try the udevadm monitor and see what that says first.
[13:59] <head_victim> Fix that and see if the other problems are fixed with it
[14:00] <truepurple> Ok I put in udevadm monitor, its giving me a continuous long stream of stuff going by too fast to read, interrupt it or let it run for awhile?
[14:00] <truepurple> Well some of it is too fast to read, the rest never changes so is easy to read
[14:00] <head_victim> I'd hit control+C which will stop it
[14:01] <head_victim> THen you should be able to scroll up in the terminal and read some of it. Pastebin it if you like
[14:01] <truepurple> Ok, the stuff here doesn't make any sense to me
[14:01] <truepurple> I will give you a line, most all of its the same
[14:01] <truepurple> UDEV  [1324044055.637473] change   /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.4/2-1.4:1.0/host10/target10:0:0/10:0:0:1/block/sr1 (block)
[14:02] <head_victim> Ah, let me guess, you have set up an ntfs drive to automount?
[14:02] <truepurple> Line after line of that, with a few of the numbers changing
[14:02] <truepurple> Not sure, I know I added a partition, I think I made it ntfs
[14:02] <truepurple> I plan to eventually set up dual boot
[14:03] <head_victim> Well there is an issue there that you'll need to either remove the entry to stop it constantly trying to mount it or find out what's wrong with it and fix it.
[14:03] <truepurple> I found this thread, but I can't make much of the information it gives
[14:03] <truepurple> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9389319
[14:04] <truepurple> head_victim, how do I remove the entry?
[14:04] <truepurple> and find out what is wrong with that?
[14:04] <truepurple> I mean what?
[14:04] <head_victim> That thread isn't related to your issue, that thread was about a bug. Yours is doing what it's meant to be doing but there is an error in what you've set it up to do.
[14:05] <truepurple> I think this was doing this long before I added that partition though
[14:06] <truepurple> head_victim, sorry to be so clueless, but I am a bit lost, please provide more detail
[14:06] <head_victim> Ok so with that UDEV line you pasted, the long number is the timestamp of the event, the change is signifying that udev has tried to make a change, the devices bit is basically telling you that sr1 is causing the issues.
[14:06] <head_victim> OH I missed it, it might be a usb drive or device you have plugged in?
[14:07] <geirha> sr1, that sounds like a cd or dvd drive or something
[14:07] <truepurple> well, I do have a bad motherboard (pretty sure anyway), something causes my system to lose the USB flash drive sometimes anyway
[14:07] <head_victim> geirha: yeah, sounding like a usb dvd drive
[14:08] <truepurple> not seriously bad, but it causes some issues, need to exchange it with warranty one of these days
[14:08] <truepurple> The USB flash drive isn't lost now though
[14:09] <truepurple> head_victim, I don't have a usb DVD drive
[14:09] <truepurple> I have a internal one
[14:09] <head_victim> geirha: I'm not really sure what I'm looking at without poking around more, any ideas?
[14:10] <truepurple> Well give me instructions to poke around and I will
[14:11] <head_victim> truepurple: I'd just be looking up lspci -vv and lsusb -vv and trying to match a device with the line of udev you just gave
[14:11] <truepurple> want me to pastebin the output of them?
[14:11] <geirha> Do you have any cd/dvd drives currently connected via usb?
[14:11] <truepurple> no I said
[14:12] <geirha> Ah, sorry, missed that.
[14:12] <truepurple> I got a flash drive and a mouse connected via usb
[14:12] <truepurple> and that is it
[14:14] <head_victim> truepurple & geirha I have to head off for a while, if geirha isn't sure I'd just run the commands I listed above and just pore over the output to see if any of the lines match with some part of the UDEV output you had before. If you can match it to one device theny ou know exactly which piece of hardware is either faulty or not correctly installed.
[14:16] <geirha> I'd see if those UDEV lines kept coming if you disconnect the flash drive
[14:17] <truepurple> geirha, just dismount and try udevadm monitor again?
[14:18] <geirha> unmount and physically disconnect it
[14:19] <truepurple> then the udevadm monitor command again?
[14:19] <geirha> Yes
[14:26] <truepurple> geirha, when I try to safely remove the usb flash drive it says "Could not display "computer:///"." and "Error: location already mounted. Please select another viewer and try again"
[14:27] <geirha> Hum, weird
[14:27] <truepurple> and now when i try to click on it and use it, it says "Error mounting: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist"
[14:28] <truepurple> Even though it was working fine before I tried to dismount it
[14:28] <truepurple> above that, "unable to mount flash drive"
[14:32] <Snicksie> truepurple, the problem with location already mounted could be because you try to unmount it multiple times... I've got that sometimes too :)
[14:33] <truepurple> Snicksie, no, I have not tried to dismount it more then once this session
[14:33] <Snicksie> did you take your usb flash device out of the computer? :)
[14:33] <Snicksie> okay, maybe its just doubleclicked or so... but thats not important for now :)
[14:35] <truepurple> Snicksie, no, since it got all buggy and I dont even know if it is safe to remove or not
[14:35] <Snicksie> if you unmounted it, it should be fine to take it out of your computer
[14:36] <Snicksie> unless your computer is writing to or reading from your usb device, it is no problem to take it out :)
[14:38] <truepurple> well I dont know if it is unmounted, but ok
[14:39] <truepurple> geirha, now run  udevadm monitor despite errors?
[14:47] <Snicksie> truepurple, have you runned udevadm monitor yet? :)
[14:47] <Snicksie> if your usb is disconnected, you should do that and see if there are still errors ;)
[14:53] <jp_Hranice> I can not run Ubuntu Precise in low-graphic mode to allow nvidia graphic driver. Nobody answer on #ubuntu-testing.
[14:54] <Unit193> That's because you need to join #ubuntu+1 :)
[14:54] <jp_Hranice> heh  ???
[14:55] <Unit193> jp_Hranice: The support channel for Precise is #ubuntu+1 not #ubuntu-testing
[14:55] <jp_Hranice> Unit193:  Thank you
[14:56] <Unit193> You're welcome
[14:56] <truepurple> Snicksie, geirha  ran udevadm monitor after removing flash drive, same result
[14:57] <Snicksie> okay, in that case it might be another device that's troubling...
[14:59] <Snicksie> you have other usb devices except for your mouse? :)
 truepurple: I'd just be looking up lspci -vv and lsusb -vv and trying to match a device with the line of udev you just gave
[15:00] <Snicksie> just pastebin your output and we'll see if we can find a device that matches your udev output :)
[15:00] <truepurple> weird, I ran lspci -vv and there is a line "00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset PCI Express R" and stuff under it, repeated 4 times, the only difference is the number after the c counts up from0
[15:01] <truepurple> I remember somewhere else there being a absurd amount of entries for a few things, but I can't recall where
[15:01] <truepurple> I mean in another program
[15:02] <truepurple> Sorry, I mean more then 4 times, not sure how many times that bit repeats
[15:04] <Snicksie> can you pastebin your output? :)
[15:05] <truepurple> http://paste.ubuntu.com/772283/
[15:05] <truepurple> Snicksie,
[15:05] <truepurple> for the first command
[15:06] <truepurple> Snicksie, the second command gives output too long to display it all, is there a way to increase terminals buffer limit?
[15:06] <truepurple> or should I just copy/paste what could fit?
[15:07] <Snicksie> if im correct, there's a way to pastebin it directly from your commandline. have a sec :)
[15:07] <Unit193> You should be able to pastebinit
[15:07] <Snicksie> yep, thats what I meant :)
[15:07] <Unit193> lsusb -vv | pastebinit
[15:08] <truepurple> Snicksie, http://paste.ubuntu.com/772287/
[15:08] <truepurple> I made a error anyway, I got the previous lines mixed up with the next ones
[15:09] <truepurple> snicksie, but the pastebin output is different then the one using the pastebinit command
[15:10] <truepurple> Snicksie, it discluded alot of "can't get hub descriptor: Operation not permitted
[15:10] <truepurple> can't get device qualifier: Operation not permitted
[15:10] <truepurple> can't get debug descriptor: Operation not permitted
[15:10] <truepurple> cannot read device status, Operation not permitted (1)
[15:10] <truepurple> "
[15:10] <truepurple> stuff like that
[15:10] <Snicksie> Unit193, you think that command could be runned in sudo? :)
[15:11] <Unit193> It's just a normal pipe
[15:11] <truepurple> sudo did it though
[15:11] <Snicksie> :)
[15:12] <truepurple> Snicksie, here is the complete one for the second command http://paste.ubuntu.com/772293/
[15:13] <Snicksie> okay. you can see that line 240 has the same 00:1d as your line: Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[15:13] <Snicksie>   iSerial                 1 0000:00:1d.0
[15:15] <Snicksie> seems its a problem with your usb...
[15:16] <Snicksie> I dont know what the problem and/or the solution is, i'm sorry :(
[15:26] <truepurple> geirha, head_victim, got any ideas?
[15:27] <truepurple> Snicksie, could it be caused by a defective MoBoard perhaps?
[15:27] <Snicksie> could be of course :)
[22:27] <LemonAid> Anyone got kernel panics on 11.04 x64 that could be related to firefox?