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beunono kdub?00:02
pleia2doesn't look like it00:03
pleia2he's in my loco team, I'll touch base out of meeting00:03
beunoand no juanmarquez either00:03
pleia2short meeting indeed!00:03
pleia2we'll hang around for 20 minutes in case anyone shows up :)00:03
pleia2ah, juanmarquez is already a member!00:04
[N]JuanMarquez was already an Ubuntu Member. His membership accidentally expired though. I have gone ahead and renewed it for him00:05
n0rmanthe shortest meeting?00:05
pleia2thanks [N]00:05
trinikronocan i ask for info here?,i would like to apply for membership but i dont know if i have contributed enough, you can see my wiki page here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/trinikrono00:15
pleia2ok, doesn't look like he'll be coming, have nice holidays everyone :)00:15
beunotrinikrono, hi00:16
beunosure, let me look00:16
beunopleia2, o/00:16
[N]trinikrono: My best piece of advice (and what I did myself) is to look through the logs from some of the prior meetings and look at the people who applied. You can get a pretty good idea about what we are looking for and determine if you are ready.00:16
beunotrinikrono, how many people are in the LoCo?00:17
pleia2trinikrono: I'd list any events your loco team has done, if any, if you haven't done any I'd work to start planning stuff00:17
pleia2(setting up a loco is great work! but the next step to have events is important :))00:18
trinikronoah in the application itself00:18
cyphermoxargh! sorry sorry!!! I'm late!00:18
trinikronoyes we had a few but i did not put them there00:18
pleia2cyphermox: it's ok, no meeting :)00:18
pleia2trinikrono: ah, I'd add the events and what your role was (organizer? volunteer?)00:18
cyphermoxah ;)00:18
trinikronoyes ill work on the application and read some of the past applications00:19
n0rmantrinikrono: you have to add t info about the events )00:19
trinikronoi thought i would see one tonight lol00:19
beunotrinikrono, yeah, I think you could expand your application a bit, but all in all, it's worth expanding ti and applying, that's for sure00:19
trinikrono:D thank you then, ill see if i get everything ready for the next one00:20
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* skaet waves15:59
Davieyo/15:59
pitti\o16:00
cjwatsonhi16:00
Daviey16:00
skaetseeing familiar faces in the channel,  so time to start.  :)16:00
jibelHi o/16:00
mdeslaur\o16:00
dbarthhi o/16:00
skaet#startmeeting16:01
meetingologyMeeting started Fri Dec 16 16:01:05 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.16:01
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skaet[TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet16:01
skaetAgenda can be found:16:01
skaet[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-12-1616:01
skaetIndividual team status links will be added to it from:16:01
skaet[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/thread.html16:01
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skaetTeam status' submitted  by EOD Thursday have already been linked to the agenda, others will be added after the meeting.16:01
brendando/16:01
skaet.16:01
skaetSchedule for this release will be at:16:01
skaet[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule16:01
skaet[link] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/16:01
skaet.16:01
skaetThere are now  2319 work items (up from last week, was 2084 on 2011/11/25), and we're falling above the trend line for features on some projects.16:01
skaetPlease review your tasks and make sure status is accurate before the new year.16:01
skaet[link]  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/16:01
skaet.16:01
skaetBugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:16:01
skaet#link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html16:01
skaetBugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.16:01
skaet.16:01
skaetUpcoming Dates:16:01
skaet• 2011/12/16 - Last meeting of 2011 - best wishes for the holiday break!16:01
skaet• 2012/01/06 - Weekly meetings resume16:02
skaet• 2012/01/09 - DebianImportFreeze16:02
skaet• 2012/02/02 - '''Alpha 2'''16:02
skaet.16:02
skaetIS and stgraber have worked through the glitches, and the updated  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is now operational.  :)   Daily testing results and bugs can now be logged there now going forward.16:02
skaet..16:02
skaetany questions before we start in to round table?16:02
Daviey(no)16:03
skaetstgraber needs to go early,  and want to welcome olli to the round table this time. :)16:04
skaetthanks for the no Daviey :)16:04
skaet[TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber16:04
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* stgraber waves16:04
stgraberhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000604.html16:04
skaetThanks stgraber.  anyone have questions today?16:05
stgraberI'm still testing the new casper but so far everything looks good, let me know if it's breaking for your flavour.16:05
Davieystgraber: is edubuntu doing anything interesting with LTSP soon?16:05
stgraberDaviey: I still need to test the current upstream and upload ltsp and ldm then16:06
Davieystgraber: do you have an ETA?16:06
stgraberDaviey: the current version has been patched to work for both Edubuntu and Ubuntu (cherry-pick of a commit upstream)16:06
stgraberDaviey: hopefully by end of year, LTSP is mostly done on my spare time16:07
stgraberI can easily push a new upstream, but after our hackfest in October, a good part of the initrd scripts and init scripts have been changed in a radical way16:07
Davieyrocking!  Thanks st16:08
Davieystgraber*16:08
stgraberI want to make sure we actually want that for the LTS and that it's going to be supportable for 5 years16:08
* skaet going to wait for the .. this time before going on ;)16:08
stgraberotherwise, I may just end up cherry picking some bugfixes and stick with what we have now (which at lesat works)16:08
stgraber..16:08
Davieystgraber: /me has interest.. so please ping me if you want a tester16:08
Daviey..16:08
skaet:)16:09
skaetthanks guys...16:09
skaet[TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris16:09
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brendandskaet - i'll take this16:09
skaetthanks brendand :)16:09
brendand== What was done engineering wise? ==16:09
brendandTesting of the Alpha 1 image on a select batch of systems in the Hardware Certification labs:16:09
brendandhttp://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/precise-testing/precise_alpha1.html16:09
brendandWith holidays, not many systems have been tested yet, but no significant issues found on the ones tested so far.16:09
brendand== What's about to land that might impact the other teams? ==16:09
brendandNothing significant. One bug located, but it does not block the system from being certified:16:09
brendandhttps://launchpad.net/bugs/904844 ([Dell Latitude 2110] Screen is blank after restoring from hibernate)16:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 904844 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Dell Latitude 2110] Screen is blank after restoring from hibernate" [Medium,Incomplete]16:09
brendand== Summary of bugs working on by team (reasonably reliable) ==16:09
brendandNothing that we are working on specifically. Everything is ok certification infrastructure wise.16:09
brendand== Dependencies on other teams, blocking items ==16:09
brendandNothing16:09
brendand== Issues? ==16:10
brendandNone16:10
Davieybrendand: sevrers reliably booting?16:10
Davieyservers*16:10
brendandDaviey - haven't got around to them yet, sorry16:11
brendand..16:11
brendandDaviey - you can see the ones we will be testing there on the report16:11
Davieyta16:11
skaetbrendand, has anyone checked if oneiric failures are in precise too?16:11
brendandskaet - i think there are some systems we'll be testing that had serious failures in oneiric. they haven't been tested yet though16:12
skaetbrendand, thanks.   please flag it to me as soon as you know for sure.16:12
brendandskaet - yep16:13
skaet:)16:13
Davieybrendand: we could really do with early warning of pluming issues :)16:13
* skaet not seeing other questions, so onwards...16:13
skaet[TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel16:13
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jibelhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000612.html16:14
jibelanyone have questions ?16:14
skaetThanks jibel.   Right now, enjoying watching the new infrastructure emerge.   :D16:14
jibelwe do too :)16:15
skaet[TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur16:15
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mdeslaurhi!16:15
mdeslaur[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000602.html16:15
mdeslaurThe security team has been busy doing reactive work. No significant progress16:15
mdeslauron work items to report.16:15
mdeslaurThat's all. Any questions?16:15
skaetThansk mdeslaur,  who's the contact if there's a security isue over the holiday?16:16
mdeslaurYou can email security@ubuntu.com. I'm only off between xmas and new year's, but will be checking in.16:16
skaetThanks!  :)16:17
skaet[TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara16:17
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ogasawara[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000601.html16:17
ogasawaraI covered everything I needed to in my email.  I would just also note that a large portion of the team is beginning their end of year holidays soon, so they may be unreachable starting next week. Any questions?16:17
ogasawara..16:17
skaetThanks ogasawara.  :)16:17
* skaet doesn't have questions from the email. 16:18
skaet[TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson16:18
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cjwatsonhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000599.html16:18
cjwatsonI followed up to my own mail with a couple of amendments as well16:18
* skaet nods16:18
cjwatsonlike others, many of our team will be drifting away on holiday over the next week, of course16:18
cjwatsonthe big news from today is that the archive publisher is now running every 30 minutes, after a lot of hard work on optimisation16:19
stgraberyeah!16:19
skaetWOOT!!!16:19
pittiwow! congrats!16:19
Daviey\o/16:19
cjwatson..16:19
ogra_wohoo16:19
skaetThanks cjwatson!  awesome news about the publisher!16:19
skaetwill there be +1 maintenance team coverage during the week between christmas and new year?16:19
cjwatsonhopefully it'll stay that way; it may miss the odd run16:19
pittiskaet: very little from my side, I'm afraid16:20
cjwatsonat least until bug 905333 is fixed16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 905333 in Launchpad itself "Ubuntu publisher should trigger scandium in the background" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90533316:20
cjwatsonskaet: that's pitti's area this month16:20
cjwatsonI'll be around a bit and will try to keep an eye on anything archive-threatening16:20
pittiI'll try to have a look every now and then, but I won't be able to sit down for hours to debug stuff16:20
cjwatsonno guarantees over the holidays though16:20
skaetcjwatson, gotcha.  pitti, thanks.   okie, expectations set.  :)16:20
pittiI'm happy to do the odd binary promotion or package rebuild etc.16:20
cjwatsonlikewise16:21
pittibut in general, Don't Break The Damn Thing over the holidays, please16:21
cjwatsonor if you do, fix it ...16:21
* skaet nods emphatically16:21
cjwatsonmind you, I'll still be running auto-imports from time to time16:21
Davieythen write a test case.16:21
cjwatsonso bear that in mind16:21
pitticjwatson: yeah, those caused quite a lot of damage, so we need to watch out for those16:21
pittiwe had two cases in teh last week alone16:21
cjwatsonI'll try not to do it and then go away for the day :)16:22
skaet[TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey16:22
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DavieyOh hello16:23
Davieyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000611.html16:23
DavieyAny questions? :)16:23
skaetThanks Daviey!16:24
Davieyanyone? :(16:24
skaetservercloud-LTS-hardening; servercloud-service-orchestration workitems haven't budged in terms of tracking.   symptom of churn going on, or just needs updating?  catch up by A2 possible?16:24
* Daviey lookies16:24
* skaet didn't want Daviey sad. ;)16:24
DavieyThe status could be clearer, but there is a bulk of blocked items16:25
skaetalso wondering will arosales be joining us, or will you continue to cover the entire server team?16:26
DavieySom eof the blocked items will updated or dropped i sspect16:27
DavieyThe boot time profiling needs further discussion to avoid duplication with desktop team16:27
* skaet nods16:27
Davieyskaet: I'll sync with him.. and update soon.16:27
skaetok, will check back with you on the boot time profiling in the new year.16:28
skaetthanks Daviey! :)16:28
Davieysuper.16:28
skaet[TOPIC] ARM team Q&A-  ogra_16:28
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Davieynp o/16:28
ogra_hey, thats me !16:28
ogra_https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000616.html16:28
ogra_questions ?16:29
skaetThanks ogra_!   glad to hear all is well with armhf images.  :)16:30
ogra_yeah :)16:30
skaethow do they compare in terms of build time with armel?16:30
pittiwell, except for them failing to build due to LibO?16:30
ogra_we never seeded LibO16:30
ogra_;)16:30
pittihm, I get failed armhf image build mail every day16:30
pittibut maybe that was a flavour16:30
pittiso, ignore me16:30
ogra_from kubuntu16:30
ogra_they should probably temporary unseed it16:31
ogra_skaet, build time is identical16:31
ogra_they *feel* a lot faster on the desktop ... but thats a subjective impression16:31
ogra_(though i hear others say that as well ... )16:32
ogra_..16:32
skaetogra_ ok thanks.    I'll chat with you about it more after meeting.16:32
ogra_k16:32
skaetDaviey,  did you want us to pause, or just signalling done with the o/ earlier?16:32
skaetif so add comment/ask question. ;)16:33
Davieydone earlier16:33
Davieysorry.16:33
skaetnp,  just confused and didn't want to be rude. ;)16:33
skaet[TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo16:34
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faboo/16:34
* skaet not seeing fabo in channel, moving on.16:34
skaetoh,  can't see I guess :)16:34
fabohttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000600.html16:34
fabo..16:34
skaetThanks fabo!  sorry about that.16:34
fabonp :)16:34
dbartho/16:35
skaetgo ahead dbarth16:35
dbarthfabo: can you point me at the latest / official branches you want us to merge in?16:35
dbarthi've seen one updated 12h ago16:35
dbarthfabo: can we see that on the linaro channel?16:35
fabodbarth: sure, I'll reply on the list. I don't know on the top of my head.16:36
dbarthok16:36
fabo..16:37
skaetfabo, is there a contact over the holidays for problems?16:37
faboskaet: I'm around. you can contact me and I'll raise as appropriate.16:37
skaetcoolio,  Thanks fabo! :)16:38
skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover16:38
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skaetok,  I've double checked ;) and don't see him.  moving on.16:39
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti16:39
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pittihttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000610.html16:39
pittinothing to add really16:39
pittioh, except perhaps that bug 902553  is apparently still not fixed for all corner cases16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 902553 in perl (Ubuntu Precise) "package doc-base 0.10.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/UUID/UUID.so: undefined symbol: Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90255316:40
pitticurrently discussing this with the Debian Perl maintainer16:40
pittibut I'll get to take 4 next Monday16:40
pittiquestions?16:40
pitti..16:40
skaetThanks pitti!  none from me.  :)16:40
* skaet doesn't see any emerging hands, so moving on. 16:41
skaet[TOPIC] DX Team Q&A - dbarth16:41
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dbarthhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus16:41
dbarththe significant part is the SRU candidate we've wrapped this week16:41
dbarthit prepares for the january uploads and can help validate fixes on the stable release16:42
dbarthit's *not* pushed to proposed though, to avoid brown paper issues while everyone's away16:42
dbarthit's in the desktop-team ppa16:42
dbarth..16:42
skaetThanks dbarth!  appreciate the hold off.16:43
skaetany questions?16:43
skaet[TOPIC] Desktop Systems Team  Q&A - olli16:44
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skaetwelcome olli!  :)16:44
ollihi there16:45
ollihttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000609.html16:45
olliin addition, we have been focusing on libido bugs LP #524541 LP #886335 and LP #89861116:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524541 in ido (Ubuntu) "Volume (slider) item isn't highlighted when selected" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52454116:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 886335 in The Sound Menu "Unable to use arrow keys to adjust the volume control in the sound menu." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88633516:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 898611 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Slider shouldn't increase by steps" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89861116:45
olliother than that it's been a quiet week due to a sprint and holidays16:45
olliany questions16:45
skaetThanks olli.   no questions from me.16:46
skaet[TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell16:47
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Riddellhi16:47
Riddellhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000605.html16:48
Riddell..16:48
skaetThanks Riddell.  any one have questions?16:48
skaet[TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick16:48
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madnickhi16:48
madnickhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000603.html16:48
madnickthat is pretty much it :)16:49
madnick..16:49
skaetThansk madnick.  :)16:49
skaet[TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work16:50
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skaethmm, not in channel.16:50
skaet[TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir16:51
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gilirhi :)16:51
skaet:)16:51
gilirhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000607.html16:51
gilir..16:51
skaetThanks gilir. :)16:52
skaet[TOPIC] Any other business, comments,  questions thought of after session passed: ?16:52
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skaetComment: some late arrivals in ubuntu-release mail list held up by membership (all who want to post there are welcome and encouraged to join the mailing list) .   Please see doko's post on the mail list.16:53
skaetComment:  Just wanted to wish everyone an enjoyable holiday break with their friends and family!   Very much looking forward to working with all of you in 2012!!16:54
skaetThank you for your participation in these meetings stgraber, brendand, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, cjwatson,  ogra_, fabo, joshhuahoover, pitti, dbarth, olli, Riddell, madnick, gilir  :)16:54
skaet#endmeeting16:54
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pittithanks!16:54
pittiso, happy christmas holidays everyoen16:54
jibel_thanks16:54
ogra_thanks skaet16:55
s-fox4 minutes to go until the meeting21:56
s-foxJust waiting for the rest of the FC atm22:01
s-foxHello moergaes :)22:01
moergaesHello s.fox22:02
moergaesMy first meeting here.22:02
s-fox\o/22:02
moergaes:-)22:02
s-foxOkay, I guess we should start.22:03
Artificial_Intelhello22:03
Artificial_Intelwho's present?22:03
moergaesMörgæs22:04
s-foxcariboo907,  overdrank , moergaes and myself22:04
s-fox and you22:04
s-foxbodhi , joeb, baps and iowan are not here22:04
s-fox:(22:04
s-foxshould we start Artificial_Intel?22:04
Artificial_Intelcan we take any decision when most of the FC is away?22:04
s-foxNope :/22:05
Artificial_Intelah22:05
s-foxWe have some discussion things though we could do22:05
Artificial_Intelok, I'm ready22:05
s-fox#startmeeting22:05
meetingologyMeeting started Fri Dec 16 22:05:29 2011 UTC.  The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.22:05
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MrChrisDruifWhat meeting is this?22:05
s-foxFC meeting22:05
MrChrisDruifAnd that is?22:06
s-fox[TOPIC] Ubuntu Forums Council Meeting22:06
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s-fox[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda22:06
s-foxOkay, the first thing is the ripfox ban. we need to vote on it, so perhaps move om22:07
MrChrisDruifAlright, I'll just lurk22:07
Artificial_IntelWe can't take a decision on that without the others, I agree22:07
s-foxFancy going over the sub-forums request Artificial_Intel?22:08
Artificial_Intelaye, I got some stuff on that topic22:08
s-foxOkay :)22:08
s-fox[TOPIC] Buffalo Solider sub-forum request22:08
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s-foxPersonally speaking I don't object to any of the sub-forums being created22:09
Artificial_IntelWe actually have two request from companies, so lets put them together.22:09
s-fox+1, sounds good.22:09
s-foxThat would be za-reason right?22:09
Artificial_Intelaye22:09
cariboo907Wouldn't it be better if both of them went through Canonical?22:09
s-foxCouldn't we put them where system76 is/22:10
Artificial_IntelI was thinking a little re-structure of the forum regarding pre-installed and the alike support forums.22:11
s-foxHow do you mean cariboo907?  I thought za-reason had already approached canonical22:11
s-foxArtificial_Intel,  Would you have all the pre-install in one sub-forum ?22:12
cariboo907When that Dell salesman tried to start a thread, we referred him to Canonical22:12
s-foxHmm, that is a fair point cariboo907. Maybe we should point them to canonical22:13
Artificial_IntelI agree, companies need approval first from canonical before we make a support forum for them.22:13
s-foxIn terms of buffalo soldier, he should get his site setup before we do anything22:14
s-foxI also notice he has not been on the forum since he made the request. Perhaps see's it as "free advertising" ?22:14
Artificial_IntelBut my restructure proposal is for the longer term when we get a lot more of this.22:14
s-foxYea, I think if we were to restructure we should get the input from the others22:15
moergaesIn the thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1895853 , most seem to agree.22:16
* s-fox nods, but shouldn't za-reason contact canonical ?22:17
cariboo907Artificial_Intel, didn't your restructure request get approved, then ignored?22:17
Artificial_Intelthat was the gaming forum restructure, yes it was approved and ignored (or forgotten)22:18
s-foxDoes it still need to be done?22:19
* s-fox thinks Artificial_Intel has the tools to do the job ;)22:19
Artificial_IntelWell, I could do it myself :P22:19
s-foxOkay, the ubuntu pre-install restructure does sound like the way forward (to me anyway).  Perhaps we should start a thread discussing in with the rest of the staff?22:20
Artificial_Intelaye22:20
s-foxI know the one moergaes linked is za-reason, but this is more generic.22:20
* cariboo907 says +122:20
s-fox[VOTE] Discuss ubuntu pre-install sub-forum restructure in the staff area22:21
meetingologyPlease vote on: Discuss ubuntu pre-install sub-forum restructure in the staff area22:21
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)22:21
s-fox+122:21
meetingology+1 received from s-fox22:21
Artificial_Intel+122:21
meetingology+1 received from Artificial_Intel22:21
cariboo907+122:21
meetingology+1 received from cariboo90722:21
s-foxmoergaes :)22:21
moergaes+122:21
meetingology+1 received from moergaes22:21
s-fox[ENDVOTE]22:22
meetingologyVoting ended on: Discuss ubuntu pre-install sub-forum restructure in the staff area22:22
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:022:22
meetingologyMotion carried22:22
s-fox[ACTION] Create the discussion thread for more input22:22
meetingologyACTION: Create the discussion thread for more input22:22
s-foxOh wait, that should have been agreed.22:22
s-fox*sigh22:22
Artificial_Intelabout the gaming structure, I'll look at it in the holydays22:22
s-fox[AGREED] Create the discussion thread for more input22:22
s-foxOkay Artificial_Intel, sounds good to me :)22:23
s-foxNext item is the Community Council Meeting22:23
s-fox[TOPIC] Representative for CC meeting22:23
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s-foxI cannot make it, the time is wrong.22:24
s-foxIt is to early for me. 17:00 UTC22:24
s-foxCan you make it Artificial_Intel?22:24
Artificial_IntelI'm at work at the time.22:24
Artificial_Intel*that22:24
s-foxOkay, so it will probably have to be Joeb454 or baps that goes. I think the time is super difficult for bodhi and jdong22:25
Artificial_Intelbaps from France, so she's properly at work too22:25
s-foxYeah, but it would be 6 for her. I am still at work for another hour22:26
s-foxMaybe we should contact the CC and see if they can move the time a little ?22:26
Artificial_Intelworth a try22:27
s-foxOkay, if baps and / or Joeb454 can't make it either we will contact them. I have Laura's email22:27
s-foxI guess we could move onto Community Building Ideas22:28
s-fox[TOPIC] Community Building Ideas22:28
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Artificial_Intellink?22:29
s-foxI think we should create the ubuntu forums team22:29
czajkowskis-fox: Joeb454 said he'd make the meeting, the meeting is at 5pm UTC can't be changed I'm afraid22:29
s-foxczajkowski,  Can the day be changed to say a weekend?22:29
s-foxczajkowski,  Thanks for the info on joeb22:29
czajkowskino I'm afriad not it happens during the CC meeting, which is kinda fixed tbh given 8 folks on multiple timezones22:30
s-foxOkay.22:30
s-foxI would like to revive my suggestion from ages ago about a forums team. I have the link somewhere, let me find :)22:31
Artificial_Intelghost from the past :P22:31
s-fox[LINK] ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174178922:31
s-foxIt had a lot of discussion, get some team spirit going and not just people on their own22:32
s-foxWelcome howefield :)22:32
howefieldhey :)22:32
cariboo907s-fox, your link is broken22:33
moergaesWorked fine for me.22:33
s-foxworks for me too ?22:33
s-foxArtificial_Intel,  Link work for you?22:34
Artificial_Intelaye22:34
cariboo907It must just be me :(22:34
s-foxMaybe we should just bump it up in the staff area ;)22:34
Artificial_IntelAs I understands it; Some kind of Super dedicated members to help out helping people?22:35
s-foxI seem to recall bodhi wanting to lighten the mood on the forum with a theme week  :)22:35
s-foxArtificial_Intel,  Pretty much. You remember the hardware / unanswered posts / beginners team ?22:35
s-foxWell imagine all them rolled into one22:36
Artificial_Intelaye22:36
Artificial_IntelSounds reasonable.22:36
s-foxI think they could be revived under one banner22:36
s-foxI'll bump it up :)22:37
Artificial_IntelI'll +1 it22:38
s-foxI do have one item that is not on the agenda concerning the forum upgrade.22:38
s-foxArtificial_Intel,  Did you see the emails I have been forwarding?22:38
s-foxWe need to establish how many people only use the openid login22:38
s-foxI am not sure where to look to find out, but eliott wants to know22:38
Artificial_Intelthat's going to be difficult22:39
s-foxProbably yes :/22:39
s-foxI know going down for the upgrade is not going to be a problem.22:40
Artificial_Intelthose who uses OpenID, don't they have alternative to login untill the forum plugin is resolved?22:40
s-foxWe can let people know in advance22:40
s-foxI think they would need to register like normal user Artificial_Intel.22:41
cariboo907I don't use it, because the remember me feature doesn't work22:41
s-foxAnd you can guarantee someone will complain :/22:41
Artificial_IntelThere's always someone that complain, it's human nature.22:42
s-fox+122:42
s-foxYou got anything to discuss Artificial_Intel , cariboo907, moergaes & howefield ?22:42
Artificial_Intelor any complains? ;)22:43
moergaesNo, I am mostly just following what's going on.22:43
cariboo907nothing here22:43
howefieldlikewise22:43
s-foxOkay, think might end the meeting early. It's late friday night for me :)22:44
s-foxSorry only 2 of the FC came :/22:44
s-foxBut thanks for coming everyone else :)22:44
moergaesThanks for being invited, though not being a council member.22:44
Artificial_Intelgood to see some staff at the meeting22:44
s-foxYep22:45
howefieldthanks to the 2 who did turn up22:45
s-foxI like having the staff around :)22:45
s-fox#endmeeting22:45
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meetingologyMeeting ended Fri Dec 16 22:45:50 2011 UTC.22:45
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-16-22.05.moin.txt22:45
s-foxI just ended the meeting22:45
Artificial_IntelNow free bar! :D22:46
s-foxJoeb454 is paying.22:46
s-fox:D22:46
Artificial_Intel\o/22:46
Artificial_Intelnight folks22:47
s-foxSee you all22:48
moergaesBye22:48

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