[00:02] <beuno> no kdub?
[00:03] <pleia2> doesn't look like it
[00:03] <pleia2> he's in my loco team, I'll touch base out of meeting
[00:03] <beuno> and no juanmarquez either
[00:03] <pleia2> short meeting indeed!
[00:03] <pleia2> we'll hang around for 20 minutes in case anyone shows up :)
[00:04] <pleia2> ah, juanmarquez is already a member!
[00:05] <[N]> JuanMarquez was already an Ubuntu Member. His membership accidentally expired though. I have gone ahead and renewed it for him
[00:05] <n0rman> the shortest meeting?
[00:05] <pleia2> thanks [N]
[00:15] <trinikrono> can i ask for info here?,i would like to apply for membership but i dont know if i have contributed enough, you can see my wiki page here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/trinikrono
[00:15] <pleia2> ok, doesn't look like he'll be coming, have nice holidays everyone :)
[00:16] <beuno> trinikrono, hi
[00:16] <beuno> sure, let me look
[00:16] <beuno> pleia2, o/
[00:16] <[N]> trinikrono: My best piece of advice (and what I did myself) is to look through the logs from some of the prior meetings and look at the people who applied. You can get a pretty good idea about what we are looking for and determine if you are ready.
[00:17] <beuno> trinikrono, how many people are in the LoCo?
[00:17] <pleia2> trinikrono: I'd list any events your loco team has done, if any, if you haven't done any I'd work to start planning stuff
[00:18] <pleia2> (setting up a loco is great work! but the next step to have events is important :))
[00:18] <trinikrono> ah in the application itself
[00:18] <cyphermox> argh! sorry sorry!!! I'm late!
[00:18] <trinikrono> yes we had a few but i did not put them there
[00:18] <pleia2> cyphermox: it's ok, no meeting :)
[00:18] <pleia2> trinikrono: ah, I'd add the events and what your role was (organizer? volunteer?)
[00:18] <cyphermox> ah ;)
[00:19] <trinikrono> yes ill work on the application and read some of the past applications
[00:19] <n0rman> trinikrono: you have to add t info about the events )
[00:19] <trinikrono> i thought i would see one tonight lol
[00:19] <beuno> trinikrono, yeah, I think you could expand your application a bit, but all in all, it's worth expanding ti and applying, that's for sure
[00:20] <trinikrono> :D thank you then, ill see if i get everything ready for the next one
[15:59]  * skaet waves
[15:59] <Daviey> o/
[16:00] <pitti> \o
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi
[16:00] <Daviey> ☃
[16:00] <skaet> seeing familiar faces in the channel,  so time to start.  :)
[16:00] <jibel> Hi o/
[16:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:00] <dbarth> hi o/
[16:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[16:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[16:01] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-12-16
[16:01] <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from:
[16:01] <skaet> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/thread.html
[16:01] <skaet> Team status' submitted  by EOD Thursday have already been linked to the agenda, others will be added after the meeting.
[16:01] <brendand> o/
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Schedule for this release will be at:
[16:01] <skaet> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <skaet> [link] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> There are now  2319 work items (up from last week, was 2084 on 2011/11/25), and we're falling above the trend line for features on some projects.
[16:01] <skaet> Please review your tasks and make sure status is accurate before the new year.
[16:01] <skaet> [link]  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[16:01] <skaet> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:01] <skaet> • 2011/12/16 - Last meeting of 2011 - best wishes for the holiday break!
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/06 - Weekly meetings resume
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/09 - DebianImportFreeze
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/02/02 - '''Alpha 2'''
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> IS and stgraber have worked through the glitches, and the updated  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ is now operational.  :)   Daily testing results and bugs can now be logged there now going forward.
[16:02] <skaet> ..
[16:02] <skaet> any questions before we start in to round table?
[16:03] <Daviey> (no)
[16:04] <skaet> stgraber needs to go early,  and want to welcome olli to the round table this time. :)
[16:04] <skaet> thanks for the no Daviey :)
[16:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber
[16:04]  * stgraber waves
[16:04] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000604.html
[16:05] <skaet> Thanks stgraber.  anyone have questions today?
[16:05] <stgraber> I'm still testing the new casper but so far everything looks good, let me know if it's breaking for your flavour.
[16:05] <Daviey> stgraber: is edubuntu doing anything interesting with LTSP soon?
[16:06] <stgraber> Daviey: I still need to test the current upstream and upload ltsp and ldm then
[16:06] <Daviey> stgraber: do you have an ETA?
[16:06] <stgraber> Daviey: the current version has been patched to work for both Edubuntu and Ubuntu (cherry-pick of a commit upstream)
[16:07] <stgraber> Daviey: hopefully by end of year, LTSP is mostly done on my spare time
[16:07] <stgraber> I can easily push a new upstream, but after our hackfest in October, a good part of the initrd scripts and init scripts have been changed in a radical way
[16:08] <Daviey> rocking!  Thanks st	
[16:08] <Daviey> stgraber*
[16:08] <stgraber> I want to make sure we actually want that for the LTS and that it's going to be supportable for 5 years
[16:08]  * skaet going to wait for the .. this time before going on ;)
[16:08] <stgraber> otherwise, I may just end up cherry picking some bugfixes and stick with what we have now (which at lesat works)
[16:08] <stgraber> ..
[16:08] <Daviey> stgraber: /me has interest.. so please ping me if you want a tester
[16:08] <Daviey> ..
[16:09] <skaet> :)
[16:09] <skaet> thanks guys...
[16:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[16:09] <brendand> skaet - i'll take this
[16:09] <skaet> thanks brendand :)
[16:09] <brendand> == What was done engineering wise? ==
[16:09] <brendand> Testing of the Alpha 1 image on a select batch of systems in the Hardware Certification labs:
[16:09] <brendand> http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/precise-testing/precise_alpha1.html
[16:09] <brendand> With holidays, not many systems have been tested yet, but no significant issues found on the ones tested so far.
[16:09] <brendand> == What's about to land that might impact the other teams? ==
[16:09] <brendand> Nothing significant. One bug located, but it does not block the system from being certified:
[16:09] <brendand> https://launchpad.net/bugs/904844 ([Dell Latitude 2110] Screen is blank after restoring from hibernate)
[16:09] <brendand> == Summary of bugs working on by team (reasonably reliable) ==
[16:09] <brendand> Nothing that we are working on specifically. Everything is ok certification infrastructure wise.
[16:09] <brendand> == Dependencies on other teams, blocking items ==
[16:09] <brendand> Nothing
[16:10] <brendand> == Issues? ==
[16:10] <brendand> None
[16:10] <Daviey> brendand: sevrers reliably booting?
[16:10] <Daviey> servers*
[16:11] <brendand> Daviey - haven't got around to them yet, sorry
[16:11] <brendand> ..
[16:11] <brendand> Daviey - you can see the ones we will be testing there on the report
[16:11] <Daviey> ta
[16:11] <skaet> brendand, has anyone checked if oneiric failures are in precise too?
[16:12] <brendand> skaet - i think there are some systems we'll be testing that had serious failures in oneiric. they haven't been tested yet though
[16:12] <skaet> brendand, thanks.   please flag it to me as soon as you know for sure.
[16:13] <brendand> skaet - yep
[16:13] <skaet> :)
[16:13] <Daviey> brendand: we could really do with early warning of pluming issues :)
[16:13]  * skaet not seeing other questions, so onwards...
[16:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[16:14] <jibel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000612.html
[16:14] <jibel> anyone have questions ?
[16:14] <skaet> Thanks jibel.   Right now, enjoying watching the new infrastructure emerge.   :D
[16:15] <jibel> we do too :)
[16:15] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur
[16:15] <mdeslaur> hi!
[16:15] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000602.html
[16:15] <mdeslaur> The security team has been busy doing reactive work. No significant progress
[16:15] <mdeslaur> on work items to report.
[16:15] <mdeslaur> That's all. Any questions?
[16:16] <skaet> Thansk mdeslaur,  who's the contact if there's a security isue over the holiday?
[16:16] <mdeslaur> You can email security@ubuntu.com. I'm only off between xmas and new year's, but will be checking in.
[16:17] <skaet> Thanks!  :)
[16:17] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara
[16:17] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000601.html
[16:17] <ogasawara> I covered everything I needed to in my email.  I would just also note that a large portion of the team is beginning their end of year holidays soon, so they may be unreachable starting next week. Any questions?
[16:17] <ogasawara> ..
[16:17] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara.  :)
[16:18]  * skaet doesn't have questions from the email. 
[16:18] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson
[16:18] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000599.html
[16:18] <cjwatson> I followed up to my own mail with a couple of amendments as well
[16:18]  * skaet nods
[16:18] <cjwatson> like others, many of our team will be drifting away on holiday over the next week, of course
[16:19] <cjwatson> the big news from today is that the archive publisher is now running every 30 minutes, after a lot of hard work on optimisation
[16:19] <stgraber> yeah!
[16:19] <skaet> WOOT!!!
[16:19] <pitti> wow! congrats!
[16:19] <Daviey> \o/
[16:19] <cjwatson> ..
[16:19] <ogra_> wohoo
[16:19] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson!  awesome news about the publisher!
[16:19] <skaet> will there be +1 maintenance team coverage during the week between christmas and new year?
[16:19] <cjwatson> hopefully it'll stay that way; it may miss the odd run
[16:20] <pitti> skaet: very little from my side, I'm afraid
[16:20] <cjwatson> at least until bug 905333 is fixed
[16:20] <cjwatson> skaet: that's pitti's area this month
[16:20] <cjwatson> I'll be around a bit and will try to keep an eye on anything archive-threatening
[16:20] <pitti> I'll try to have a look every now and then, but I won't be able to sit down for hours to debug stuff
[16:20] <cjwatson> no guarantees over the holidays though
[16:20] <skaet> cjwatson, gotcha.  pitti, thanks.   okie, expectations set.  :)
[16:20] <pitti> I'm happy to do the odd binary promotion or package rebuild etc.
[16:21] <cjwatson> likewise
[16:21] <pitti> but in general, Don't Break The Damn Thing over the holidays, please
[16:21] <cjwatson> or if you do, fix it ...
[16:21]  * skaet nods emphatically
[16:21] <cjwatson> mind you, I'll still be running auto-imports from time to time
[16:21] <Daviey> then write a test case.
[16:21] <cjwatson> so bear that in mind
[16:21] <pitti> cjwatson: yeah, those caused quite a lot of damage, so we need to watch out for those
[16:21] <pitti> we had two cases in teh last week alone
[16:22] <cjwatson> I'll try not to do it and then go away for the day :)
[16:22] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey
[16:23] <Daviey> Oh hello
[16:23] <Daviey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000611.html
[16:23] <Daviey> Any questions? :)
[16:24] <skaet> Thanks Daviey!
[16:24] <Daviey> anyone? :(
[16:24] <skaet> servercloud-LTS-hardening; servercloud-service-orchestration workitems haven't budged in terms of tracking.   symptom of churn going on, or just needs updating?  catch up by A2 possible?
[16:24]  * Daviey lookies
[16:24]  * skaet didn't want Daviey sad. ;)
[16:25] <Daviey> The status could be clearer, but there is a bulk of blocked items
[16:26] <skaet> also wondering will arosales be joining us, or will you continue to cover the entire server team?
[16:27] <Daviey> Som eof the blocked items will updated or dropped i sspect
[16:27] <Daviey> The boot time profiling needs further discussion to avoid duplication with desktop team
[16:27]  * skaet nods
[16:27] <Daviey> skaet: I'll sync with him.. and update soon.
[16:28] <skaet> ok, will check back with you on the boot time profiling in the new year.
[16:28] <skaet> thanks Daviey! :)
[16:28] <Daviey> super.
[16:28] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A-  ogra_
[16:28] <Daviey> np o/
[16:28] <ogra_> hey, thats me !
[16:28] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000616.html
[16:29] <ogra_> questions ?
[16:30] <skaet> Thanks ogra_!   glad to hear all is well with armhf images.  :)
[16:30] <ogra_> yeah :)
[16:30] <skaet> how do they compare in terms of build time with armel?
[16:30] <pitti> well, except for them failing to build due to LibO?
[16:30] <ogra_> we never seeded LibO
[16:30] <ogra_> ;)
[16:30] <pitti> hm, I get failed armhf image build mail every day
[16:30] <pitti> but maybe that was a flavour
[16:30] <pitti> so, ignore me
[16:30] <ogra_> from kubuntu
[16:31] <ogra_> they should probably temporary unseed it
[16:31] <ogra_> skaet, build time is identical
[16:31] <ogra_> they *feel* a lot faster on the desktop ... but thats a subjective impression
[16:32] <ogra_> (though i hear others say that as well ... )
[16:32] <ogra_> ..
[16:32] <skaet> ogra_ ok thanks.    I'll chat with you about it more after meeting.
[16:32] <ogra_> k
[16:32] <skaet> Daviey,  did you want us to pause, or just signalling done with the o/ earlier?
[16:33] <skaet> if so add comment/ask question. ;)
[16:33] <Daviey> done earlier
[16:33] <Daviey> sorry.
[16:33] <skaet> np,  just confused and didn't want to be rude. ;)
[16:34] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo
[16:34] <fabo> o/
[16:34]  * skaet not seeing fabo in channel, moving on.
[16:34] <skaet> oh,  can't see I guess :)
[16:34] <fabo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000600.html
[16:34] <fabo> ..
[16:34] <skaet> Thanks fabo!  sorry about that.
[16:34] <fabo> np :)
[16:35] <dbarth> o/
[16:35] <skaet> go ahead dbarth
[16:35] <dbarth> fabo: can you point me at the latest / official branches you want us to merge in?
[16:35] <dbarth> i've seen one updated 12h ago
[16:35] <dbarth> fabo: can we see that on the linaro channel?
[16:36] <fabo> dbarth: sure, I'll reply on the list. I don't know on the top of my head.
[16:36] <dbarth> ok
[16:37] <fabo> ..
[16:37] <skaet> fabo, is there a contact over the holidays for problems?
[16:37] <fabo> skaet: I'm around. you can contact me and I'll raise as appropriate.
[16:38] <skaet> coolio,  Thanks fabo! :)
[16:38] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover
[16:39] <skaet> ok,  I've double checked ;) and don't see him.  moving on.
[16:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti
[16:39] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000610.html
[16:39] <pitti> nothing to add really
[16:39] <pitti> oh, except perhaps that bug 902553  is apparently still not fixed for all corner cases
[16:40] <pitti> currently discussing this with the Debian Perl maintainer
[16:40] <pitti> but I'll get to take 4 next Monday
[16:40] <pitti> questions?
[16:40] <pitti> ..
[16:40] <skaet> Thanks pitti!  none from me.  :)
[16:41]  * skaet doesn't see any emerging hands, so moving on. 
[16:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] DX Team Q&A - dbarth
[16:41] <dbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:41] <dbarth> the significant part is the SRU candidate we've wrapped this week
[16:42] <dbarth> it prepares for the january uploads and can help validate fixes on the stable release
[16:42] <dbarth> it's *not* pushed to proposed though, to avoid brown paper issues while everyone's away
[16:42] <dbarth> it's in the desktop-team ppa
[16:42] <dbarth> ..
[16:43] <skaet> Thanks dbarth!  appreciate the hold off.
[16:43] <skaet> any questions?
[16:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Systems Team  Q&A - olli
[16:44] <skaet> welcome olli!  :)
[16:45] <olli> hi there
[16:45] <olli> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000609.html
[16:45] <olli> in addition, we have been focusing on libido bugs LP #524541 LP #886335 and LP #898611
[16:45] <olli> other than that it's been a quiet week due to a sprint and holidays
[16:45] <olli> any questions
[16:46] <skaet> Thanks olli.   no questions from me.
[16:47] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell
[16:47] <Riddell> hi
[16:48] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000605.html
[16:48] <Riddell> ..
[16:48] <skaet> Thanks Riddell.  any one have questions?
[16:48] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick
[16:48] <madnick> hi
[16:48] <madnick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000603.html
[16:49] <madnick> that is pretty much it :)
[16:49] <madnick> ..
[16:49] <skaet> Thansk madnick.  :)
[16:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-work
[16:50] <skaet> hmm, not in channel.
[16:51] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir
[16:51] <gilir> hi :)
[16:51] <skaet> :)
[16:51] <gilir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000607.html
[16:51] <gilir> ..
[16:52] <skaet> Thanks gilir. :)
[16:52] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business, comments,  questions thought of after session passed: ?
[16:53] <skaet> Comment: some late arrivals in ubuntu-release mail list held up by membership (all who want to post there are welcome and encouraged to join the mailing list) .   Please see doko's post on the mail list.
[16:54] <skaet> Comment:  Just wanted to wish everyone an enjoyable holiday break with their friends and family!   Very much looking forward to working with all of you in 2012!!
[16:54] <skaet> Thank you for your participation in these meetings stgraber, brendand, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, cjwatson,  ogra_, fabo, joshhuahoover, pitti, dbarth, olli, Riddell, madnick, gilir  :)
[16:54] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Dec 16 16:54:25 2011 UTC.
[16:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-16-16.01.moin.txt
[16:54] <pitti> thanks!
[16:54] <pitti> so, happy christmas holidays everyoen
[16:54] <jibel_> thanks
[16:55] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[21:56] <s-fox> 4 minutes to go until the meeting
[22:01] <s-fox> Just waiting for the rest of the FC atm
[22:01] <s-fox> Hello moergaes :)
[22:02] <moergaes> Hello s.fox
[22:02] <moergaes> My first meeting here.
[22:02] <s-fox> \o/
[22:02] <moergaes> :-)
[22:03] <s-fox> Okay, I guess we should start.
[22:03] <Artificial_Intel> hello
[22:03] <Artificial_Intel> who's present?
[22:04] <moergaes> Mörgæs
[22:04] <s-fox> cariboo907,  overdrank , moergaes and myself
[22:04] <s-fox>  and you
[22:04] <s-fox> bodhi , joeb, baps and iowan are not here
[22:04] <s-fox> :(
[22:04] <s-fox> should we start Artificial_Intel?
[22:04] <Artificial_Intel> can we take any decision when most of the FC is away?
[22:05] <s-fox> Nope :/
[22:05] <Artificial_Intel> ah
[22:05] <s-fox> We have some discussion things though we could do
[22:05] <Artificial_Intel> ok, I'm ready
[22:05] <s-fox> #startmeeting
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[22:05] <MrChrisDruif> What meeting is this?
[22:05] <s-fox> FC meeting
[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> And that is?
[22:06] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Forums Council Meeting
[22:06] <s-fox> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[22:07] <s-fox> Okay, the first thing is the ripfox ban. we need to vote on it, so perhaps move om
[22:07] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, I'll just lurk
[22:07] <Artificial_Intel> We can't take a decision on that without the others, I agree
[22:08] <s-fox> Fancy going over the sub-forums request Artificial_Intel?
[22:08] <Artificial_Intel> aye, I got some stuff on that topic
[22:08] <s-fox> Okay :)
[22:08] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Buffalo Solider sub-forum request
[22:09] <s-fox> Personally speaking I don't object to any of the sub-forums being created
[22:09] <Artificial_Intel> We actually have two request from companies, so lets put them together.
[22:09] <s-fox> +1, sounds good.
[22:09] <s-fox> That would be za-reason right?
[22:09] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[22:09] <cariboo907> Wouldn't it be better if both of them went through Canonical?
[22:10] <s-fox> Couldn't we put them where system76 is/
[22:11] <Artificial_Intel> I was thinking a little re-structure of the forum regarding pre-installed and the alike support forums.
[22:11] <s-fox> How do you mean cariboo907?  I thought za-reason had already approached canonical
[22:12] <s-fox> Artificial_Intel,  Would you have all the pre-install in one sub-forum ?
[22:12] <cariboo907> When that Dell salesman tried to start a thread, we referred him to Canonical
[22:13] <s-fox> Hmm, that is a fair point cariboo907. Maybe we should point them to canonical
[22:13] <Artificial_Intel> I agree, companies need approval first from canonical before we make a support forum for them.
[22:14] <s-fox> In terms of buffalo soldier, he should get his site setup before we do anything
[22:14] <s-fox> I also notice he has not been on the forum since he made the request. Perhaps see's it as "free advertising" ?
[22:14] <Artificial_Intel> But my restructure proposal is for the longer term when we get a lot more of this.
[22:15] <s-fox> Yea, I think if we were to restructure we should get the input from the others
[22:16] <moergaes> In the thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1895853 , most seem to agree.
[22:17]  * s-fox nods,  but shouldn't za-reason contact canonical ?
[22:17] <cariboo907> Artificial_Intel, didn't your restructure request get approved, then ignored?
[22:18] <Artificial_Intel> that was the gaming forum restructure, yes it was approved and ignored (or forgotten)
[22:19] <s-fox> Does it still need to be done?
[22:19]  * s-fox thinks Artificial_Intel has the tools to do the job ;)
[22:19] <Artificial_Intel> Well, I could do it myself :P
[22:20] <s-fox> Okay, the ubuntu pre-install restructure does sound like the way forward (to me anyway).  Perhaps we should start a thread discussing in with the rest of the staff?
[22:20] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[22:20] <s-fox> I know the one moergaes linked is za-reason, but this is more generic.
[22:20]  * cariboo907 says +1
[22:21] <s-fox> [VOTE] Discuss ubuntu pre-install sub-forum restructure in the staff area
[22:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: Discuss ubuntu pre-install sub-forum restructure in the staff area
[22:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[22:21] <s-fox> +1
[22:21] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:21] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[22:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[22:21] <cariboo907> +1
[22:21] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[22:21] <s-fox> moergaes :)
[22:21] <moergaes> +1
[22:21] <meetingology> +1 received from moergaes
[22:22] <s-fox> [ENDVOTE]
[22:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Discuss ubuntu pre-install sub-forum restructure in the staff area
[22:22] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:22] <s-fox> [ACTION] Create the discussion thread for more input
[22:22] <meetingology> ACTION: Create the discussion thread for more input
[22:22] <s-fox> Oh wait, that should have been agreed.
[22:22] <s-fox> *sigh
[22:22] <Artificial_Intel> about the gaming structure, I'll look at it in the holydays
[22:22] <s-fox> [AGREED] Create the discussion thread for more input
[22:23] <s-fox> Okay Artificial_Intel, sounds good to me :)
[22:23] <s-fox> Next item is the Community Council Meeting
[22:23] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Representative for CC meeting
[22:24] <s-fox> I cannot make it, the time is wrong.
[22:24] <s-fox> It is to early for me. 17:00 UTC
[22:24] <s-fox> Can you make it Artificial_Intel?
[22:24] <Artificial_Intel> I'm at work at the time.
[22:24] <Artificial_Intel> *that
[22:25] <s-fox> Okay, so it will probably have to be Joeb454 or baps that goes. I think the time is super difficult for bodhi and jdong
[22:25] <Artificial_Intel> baps from France, so she's properly at work too
[22:26] <s-fox> Yeah, but it would be 6 for her. I am still at work for another hour
[22:26] <s-fox> Maybe we should contact the CC and see if they can move the time a little ?
[22:27] <Artificial_Intel> worth a try
[22:27] <s-fox> Okay, if baps and / or Joeb454 can't make it either we will contact them. I have Laura's email
[22:28] <s-fox> I guess we could move onto Community Building Ideas
[22:28] <s-fox> [TOPIC] Community Building Ideas
[22:29] <Artificial_Intel> link?
[22:29] <s-fox> I think we should create the ubuntu forums team
[22:29] <czajkowski> s-fox: Joeb454 said he'd make the meeting, the meeting is at 5pm UTC can't be changed I'm afraid
[22:29] <s-fox> czajkowski,  Can the day be changed to say a weekend?
[22:29] <s-fox> czajkowski,  Thanks for the info on joeb
[22:30] <czajkowski> no I'm afriad not it happens during the CC meeting, which is kinda fixed tbh given 8 folks on multiple timezones
[22:30] <s-fox> Okay.
[22:31] <s-fox> I would like to revive my suggestion from ages ago about a forums team. I have the link somewhere, let me find :)
[22:31] <Artificial_Intel> ghost from the past :P
[22:31] <s-fox> [LINK] ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741789
[22:32] <s-fox> It had a lot of discussion, get some team spirit going and not just people on their own
[22:32] <s-fox> Welcome howefield :)
[22:32] <howefield> hey :)
[22:33] <cariboo907> s-fox, your link is broken
[22:33] <moergaes> Worked fine for me.
[22:33] <s-fox> works for me too ?
[22:34] <s-fox> Artificial_Intel,  Link work for you?
[22:34] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[22:34] <cariboo907> It must just be me :(
[22:34] <s-fox> Maybe we should just bump it up in the staff area ;)
[22:35] <Artificial_Intel> As I understands it; Some kind of Super dedicated members to help out helping people?
[22:35] <s-fox> I seem to recall bodhi wanting to lighten the mood on the forum with a theme week  :)
[22:35] <s-fox> Artificial_Intel,  Pretty much. You remember the hardware / unanswered posts / beginners team ?
[22:36] <s-fox> Well imagine all them rolled into one
[22:36] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[22:36] <Artificial_Intel> Sounds reasonable.
[22:36] <s-fox> I think they could be revived under one banner
[22:37] <s-fox> I'll bump it up :)
[22:38] <Artificial_Intel> I'll +1 it
[22:38] <s-fox> I do have one item that is not on the agenda concerning the forum upgrade.
[22:38] <s-fox> Artificial_Intel,  Did you see the emails I have been forwarding?
[22:38] <s-fox> We need to establish how many people only use the openid login
[22:38] <s-fox> I am not sure where to look to find out, but eliott wants to know
[22:39] <Artificial_Intel> that's going to be difficult
[22:39] <s-fox> Probably yes :/
[22:40] <s-fox> I know going down for the upgrade is not going to be a problem.
[22:40] <Artificial_Intel> those who uses OpenID, don't they have alternative to login untill the forum plugin is resolved?
[22:40] <s-fox> We can let people know in advance
[22:41] <s-fox> I think they would need to register like normal user Artificial_Intel.
[22:41] <cariboo907> I don't use it, because the remember me feature doesn't work
[22:41] <s-fox> And you can guarantee someone will complain :/
[22:42] <Artificial_Intel> There's always someone that complain, it's human nature.
[22:42] <s-fox> +1
[22:42] <s-fox> You got anything to discuss Artificial_Intel , cariboo907, moergaes & howefield ?
[22:43] <Artificial_Intel> or any complains? ;)
[22:43] <moergaes> No, I am mostly just following what's going on.
[22:43] <cariboo907> nothing here
[22:43] <howefield> likewise
[22:44] <s-fox> Okay, think might end the meeting early. It's late friday night for me :)
[22:44] <s-fox> Sorry only 2 of the FC came :/
[22:44] <s-fox> But thanks for coming everyone else :)
[22:44] <moergaes> Thanks for being invited, though not being a council member.
[22:44] <Artificial_Intel> good to see some staff at the meeting
[22:45] <s-fox> Yep
[22:45] <howefield> thanks to the 2 who did turn up
[22:45] <s-fox> I like having the staff around :)
[22:45] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[22:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Dec 16 22:45:50 2011 UTC.
[22:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-16-22.05.moin.txt
[22:45] <s-fox> I just ended the meeting
[22:46] <Artificial_Intel> Now free bar! :D
[22:46] <s-fox> Joeb454 is paying.
[22:46] <s-fox> :D
[22:46] <Artificial_Intel> \o/
[22:47] <Artificial_Intel> night folks
[22:48] <s-fox> See you all
[22:48] <moergaes> Bye