[00:19] <andylockran> Howdy
[00:19] <andylockran> time for bed methinks :D
[00:25] <andylockran> night
[00:36] <christel> czajkowski: are you catholic?
[02:23] <Azelphur> is Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) supposed to work with Ubuntu?
[05:59] <MartijnVdS> I think so
[07:42] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <AlanBell> ☃
[08:29] <DJones> Morning
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Snow? Where?
[08:29]  * MartijnVdS sees lots and lots (and lots) of rain
[08:30] <DJones> I see snow on the ground outside the office window
[08:33] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:52] <danfish> morning
[08:52] <danfish> it's snowing on my desktop
[08:52] <danfish> DesktopSnow
[08:53] <MooDoo> clouds look full of snow but nothing else
[08:53] <popey> GU14 2/10 #uksnow
[08:53] <popey> ☺
[08:54] <AlanBell> ooh, big flakes now. czajkowski must be getting a flight soon
[09:06] <popey> snow!
[09:06] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[09:06] <popey> not enough
[09:07] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[09:07] <bigcalm> popey: rake up those leaves
[09:07] <popey> pffft
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> or pay your kids to do it
[09:08] <bigcalm> I have a big leaf sucker, does your back in after a while.
[09:09] <bigcalm> Pay them in minecraft access time
[09:10] <popey> hah
[09:25] <DJones> Heavy snow :)
[09:25] <MooDoo> non here
[09:27] <DJones> -list
[09:28] <popey> hehehe
[09:32] <DJones> 09:31              <   tig!~tig@cpc8-telf11-2-0-cust101.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com []
[09:32] <DJones> Ugh
[09:32] <DJones> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d248UPWO5w0/TusO_fEgXZI/AAAAAAAABh4/Hn2mbuJfmWM/s800/IMAG0118.jpg
[09:32] <bigcalm> ?
[09:32] <DJones> Snowing
[09:32]  * MartijnVdS hands DJones a new keyboard and mouse
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> oh and a paste buffer
[09:33] <DJones> Definately a paste buffer
[09:41] <DJones> Any rumours on who/what the Doctors new assistant is going to be?
[09:43] <DJones> I say bring back K9
[09:45] <matti> Haha
[09:45] <matti> ;]
[09:45] <matti> DJones: :)
[09:47] <czajkowski> christel: I am. why ?
[09:47] <czajkowski> AlanBell: snow, where?
[09:47] <popey> czajkowski: it was earlier, stopped now
[09:48] <DJones> Its still snowing here (Stockport area)
[09:48] <matti> Uhhh :)
[09:48] <czajkowski> popey: oh this is good to hear.
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> 'snowhere?
[09:48] <popey> czajkowski: not snowing here anymore http://popey.com/webcam/
[09:48] <matti> popey: Are we doing mulled wine and things this year?
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> matti: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koek-en-zopie
[09:51]  * popey points matti at AlanBell 
[09:51] <matti> MartijnVdS: English, Polish or Japanese will do, but this one I cannot read :)
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> matti: translate.google.com can
[09:52] <matti> MartijnVdS: I am too lazy ;/
[09:52] <DJones> matti: chrome auto translates :)
[09:52] <matti> MartijnVdS: :)
[09:52] <matti> DJones: Haha
[09:52]  * matti haven't had his morning coffee yet
[09:52] <matti> Be merciful.
[09:53] <czajkowski> popey: oh I remember how useful that was last year.
[09:53] <DJones> matti: Heh, I will, don't want to get on Santa's naughty list
[09:53] <matti> DJones: :)
[09:58] <DJones> Argh.... note to self, bring earplugs to work, I'm not interested in what work collegues are wearing for the Christmas party or whether they've painted their toenails
[10:01] <MooDoo> yay firealarm
[10:02] <DJones> MooDoo: Go and stand outside in the cold
[10:02] <MooDoo> DJones: false alarm, next doors builders set it off by accident
[10:02] <matti> MooDoo: :)
[10:02] <oimon> at christmas party the IT guy always gets asked IT questions by the other staff :(
[10:02] <DJones> Aww, shame
[10:02] <DJones> I don't go to works christmas parties
[10:03] <oimon> the option is to sit with gossipy admin dept or sit with other workers who are talking shop
[10:03] <bigcalm> I go to Hayley's work based parties - they are great fun
[10:04] <bigcalm> Councils might be boring, but the people who work there don't have to be :)
[10:04] <DJones> oimon: Last year, one of the directors threw up over a member of staff after too much to drink
[10:04] <oimon> prob lots of drunkeness
[10:04] <oimon> DJones: ewww
[10:04] <oimon> thats disgraceful
[10:04] <DJones> Yeah, and the staff member is still going in the same taxi with him this time
[10:05] <bigcalm> Armed with sick bags
[10:05] <dogmatic69> DJones: sounds like a wild company :D
[10:05] <DJones> But they are friends outside work as well, live near each other, his wife and the staff member are best friends
[10:06] <oimon> i embarrassed myself at a christmas party once. not sure if anyone noticed
[10:06] <DJones> dogmatic69: Not so much wild, just a 40 year old that couldn't handle his drink
[10:06] <oimon> sometimes they just get completely out of hand
[10:07] <bigcalm> A client wants their website to produce a feed that linkedin can make use of. As I don't use that service, I don't know which format they actually need. Anybody know?
[10:07] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: there should be a api
[10:07] <oimon> not drinking at the christmas party is usually the best policy
[10:08]  * DJones goes for ear plugs from the chemist, now they're talking about the makeup and false eyelashes they're going to wear
[10:08] <bigcalm> http://blog.linkedin.com/2009/03/20/sharing-rss-feeds-on-linkedin-groups/
[10:08]  * czajkowski peers at DJones 
[10:08] <bigcalm> I can see a field that says "Enter a website or rss url"
[10:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: so i take it the site you are doing does not have a feed?
[10:09] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it doesn't, no
[10:09] <dogmatic69> k
[10:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: fear not, its easy :)
[10:09] <bigcalm> Which is what I'm about to write
[10:09] <bigcalm> I know how to write one, just need to know which format they expect
[10:10] <bigcalm> There have been a few feed types over the years
[10:10] <dogmatic69> RSS 2.0
[10:10] <DJones> czajkowski: I have no interest in what the people are wearing for the christmas party, so far I've heard about the "little black number", the shoes, the painted toenails, the makeup, the false eyelashes
[10:10] <bigcalm> Right :)
[10:10] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: they are all very similar
[10:10]  * MartijnVdS has yellow earplugs
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> No more arguing PHP coders
[10:11] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:11] <czajkowski> DJones: just nod and smile and remember to say they look nice
[10:11] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: we could argue in here
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I'm not a PHP coder ;)
[10:11] <bigcalm> But I am :D
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Weren't you a Perl person?
[10:12] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: very long ago
[10:12] <bigcalm> I got a job in PHP and my perl skills ebbed away
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> Poor you :(
[10:12] <bigcalm> Indeed
[10:12] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you do hardcore procedural php?
[10:12] <dogmatic69> or you using some frameworks
[10:13] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:13] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: both
[10:13] <dogmatic69> :/
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Hardcore procedural frameworks.
[10:14] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: you sound displeased
[10:14] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: anything less than oop makes me sad
[10:14] <dogmatic69> dry, mvc, oop... all the buzz words :D
[10:15] <bigcalm> You can write your own mvc
[10:15] <dogmatic69> ye, that is ok
[10:15]  * dogmatic69 uses cakephp
[10:16] <bigcalm> I use symfony, cakephp, or start from scratch
[10:16] <bigcalm> Depends upon what the client needs
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> Isn't PHP all "View" anyway?
[10:16] <bigcalm> Oh, WordPress is a handy one to dev for as well
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> it being all HTML with a bit of special sauce
[10:16] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you freelance?
[10:16] <bigcalm> Doesn't have to be
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> *runs*
[10:17] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: no
[10:17] <christel> czajkowski: i had a latenight moment of madness in which i wondered whether i should become catholic so david could get into a catholic school! :o
[10:17] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:18] <bigcalm> What's the advantage of going to a catholic school?
[10:18] <dogmatic69> that was a change in direction
[10:18] <MooDoo> bigcalm: get to drink wine on sunday
[10:18] <christel> (sorry, i was replying to her from hours ago)
[10:18] <christel> bigcalm: the schools tend to be better :)
[10:18] <czajkowski> christel: ah ha. right. I forgot that's how that works over here, whereas at home all schools are catholic though I think there are a few non ones for primary.
[10:18] <christel> but impossible to get into
[10:18] <christel> (around here at least)
[10:19] <MooDoo> and you get to drink on a sunday :) lol
[10:20] <christel> :o
[10:22] <christel> that was a quick visit!
[10:24] <AlanBell> you don't have to be catholic christel, they do accept anything but atheists
[10:24] <AlanBell> oddly enough it is perfectly legal to discriminate against atheists
[10:24] <christel> haha really?
[10:25] <AlanBell> yup, the compulsory supplimentary information form for All Hallows must be signed by your minister of religion (not neccessarily catholic)
[10:26] <DJones> christel: Some friends at our church are CofE, the husband is governor at the local catholic school and their daughter goes to the catholic school
[10:26] <AlanBell> similar for St Polycarps I think, but I don't think I saw the forms for that
[10:26] <oimon> some CofE churches are quite close to catholic churches...others are not
[10:26] <christel> AlanBell: aha!
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Get it signed by a random pastafarian
[10:27] <oimon> close in doctrine, i mean
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> oimon: "They're right next to each other!"
[10:27] <oimon> do catholic churches require you to attend their approved church?
[10:27] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: unfortunatly I don't get the opportunity to express my sense of humour in matters of school selection :)
[10:27] <DJones> I think this catholic school started to allow CofE children about 2 years ago
[10:28] <AlanBell> there are quotas and things, but they can't have a policy of 100% anything
[10:28] <oimon> my nephew and niece attend a CofE school which expects you to attend a particular CofE church, but they are OK about it if you are a regular churchgoer in another denomination too
[10:29] <christel> mind, "my" church is er, the church of norway
[10:29] <MooDoo> the school we want our kids to go to is a cofe school
[10:30] <oimon> i'm not sure how much it means anymore. many of the bishops and vicars in the cofe don't actually believe :-\
[10:32] <oimon> vmware's competition today asks who is responsible for red santa suits :-\
[10:32] <oimon> guess what the correct answer is
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> Coca Cola
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> that, or the Dutch (Santa being a bastardization of Sinterklaas who wears red)
[10:33] <oimon> it's the most correct answer :)
[10:33] <oimon> given that the other is sunburn
[10:33] <christel> AlanBell: you were in my dream last night, for some reason you were picking golfballs out of a pond full of frogs, whilst drinking champagne
[10:33] <christel> it was most peculiar
[10:33] <oimon> wut
[10:33] <popey> its from all the wine he spills over himself when he hits the bottom of the chimney
[10:33] <oimon> alcohol induced dreams of AlanBell
[10:33] <DJones> What had you been drinking/smoking?
[10:33] <oimon> powdered ubuntu cd
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> you don't smoke powdered ubuntu cd. You snort it.
[10:34] <AlanBell> funnily enough I was out picking golfballs out of frogponds last night, whist drinking champers
[10:34] <christel> see, i've been entirely sober since recovering from the christmas party!
[10:34] <christel> AlanBell: haha
[10:34] <oimon> my work PC will be grateful for the christmas holidays...uptime 52 days
[10:35] <AlanBell> ooh, christel, sick child here today, no chicken chasing opportunity (not really the weather anyhow0
[10:36] <christel> true! it's a tad wet!
[10:36] <christel> are you being NurseBell today?
[10:36] <christel> :)
[10:37] <daubers> Morning
[10:37] <christel> morning daubers
[10:43] <daubers> Apologies for missing the meeting yesterday. Was somewhat hung over
[10:44] <Laney> tsk
[10:45] <daubers> Ended up whiskey tasting with my boss after the works christmas do
[10:45] <andylockran> howdy all
[10:45] <daubers> may have to order a few bottles after christmas now
[10:46] <AlanBell> christel: not much nursing required, offspring is flopped on sofa watching telly
[10:47] <bigcalm> daubers: you didn't miss a lot really :)
[10:47] <andylockran> Just bought the O'Reilly MySQL High Performance Book
[10:47] <andylockran> absolutel fascinating reading
[10:47] <bigcalm> Does it tell you to drop mysql and use something else?
[10:48] <andylockran> bigcalm: chortle
[10:48] <bigcalm> I actually like mysql, just thought I'd jump on the bandwaggon for bashing it
[10:48] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:48] <andylockran> I think it's like chess - simple rules, but difficult to master
[10:49] <dogmatic69> andylockran: too true. want it fast, just add indexes. makes a huge difference. although creating them slightly wrong makes things worse
[10:49] <bigcalm> Simple rules that join to make very complex messes
[10:52] <bigcalm> D, d M Y H:i:s T
[10:52] <bigcalm> Oops
[10:52] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:53] <christel> AlanBell: hehe
[10:57] <dogmatic69> rhythmbox is full of bugs
[11:01] <gordonjcp> I didn't think rhythmbox was actively developed any more
[11:02] <dogmatic69> what is the music player of choice for ubuntu?
[11:02] <oimon> rhythmbox is default again in 12.04 innit?
[11:02] <oimon> all the cool kids are using clementine though ;)
[11:02] <daubers> oimon: You listen to your music through a small orange?
[11:03] <dogmatic69> :D
[11:03] <oimon> preferred to a wailing banshee
[11:03] <daubers> Depends on your music preference surely?
[11:05] <gordonjcp> so are they going to resurrect rhythmbox then?
[11:05] <daubers> I thought it all hinged on some bugs being fixed in banshee?
[11:06] <gordonjcp> I thought the problem was that Banshee was written in Mono
[11:07] <daubers> Heh :) No. There was a few stability problems, and some other really problematic bugs
[11:08] <daubers> The majority I think have been fixed upstream. directhex probably know more than me
[11:09] <directhex> there were two major reasons cited
[11:09] <andylockran> dogmatic69: the books is definitely worth a read
[11:09] <directhex> banshee is a gtk2 app - gtk3 is in a branch, and almost ready
[11:09] <andylockran> I've made the jump to using percona-MySQL on my own servers
[11:09] <andylockran> I'll see how that goes.
[11:09] <directhex> and banshee has some problematic behaviour on some ARM configurations, which happen to be canonical's target
[11:09] <andylockran> but yeah, percona toolkit looks like an invaluable tool in a DBA/SysAdmin's arsenal
[11:10] <andylockran> especially for data integrity/replication requirements
[11:11] <davmor2> morning all
[11:11] <dogmatic69> andylockran: you got first or second edition?
[11:13] <directhex> RB isn't particularly actively developed anymore - but it got ported to gtk3 with relative ease, so it gets a reprive for now
[11:13] <oimon> amy pond is leaving dr who :(
[11:14] <mgdm> Rhythmbox \o/
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> oimon: source?
[11:14] <oimon> the newspapers, el reg ...
[11:15] <AlanBell> banshee takes an age to load which is rather frustrating when it wants to be the default player for ogg files
[11:15] <oimon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/16/doctor_who_new_companion/
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> :(
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> Let's hope she'll play in lots of other series :)
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> shows
[11:16] <AlanBell> click ogg, wait 30 seconds, hear ogg, hear random other sound from the banshee playlist close banshee, keeps playing, close from sound menu thing, rinse, repeat
[11:16] <davmor2> directhex: Rhythmbox has had a load of features added?  It wasn't being actively developed and then the lead developer stood down and there was a load of developers who went we can't let this die
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Banshee not exiting on close is a "feature"
[11:16]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[11:17] <directhex> davmor2: which features have been added? i occasionally check the git commits, but only ever see translations
[11:17] <oimon> banshee crashing every time i use it is not a feature
[11:17] <DJones> MartijnVdS: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16207688
[11:17] <directhex> AlanBell: i'm ot sure i ever want a library player to handle file playing.
[11:17] <davmor2> directhex: I'd need to fire up my precise box so it'll be in a bit
[11:18] <davmor2> directhex: I'm assuming the bulk of it though it plugins rather than to the player direct
[11:18] <directhex> davmor2: doesn't matter much with modern software
[11:18] <directhex> hell, banshee is all plugin. even the gui
[11:18] <oimon> puppet deployed an application to > 100 machines in a few minutes . i <3 puppet
[11:18] <andylockran> oimon: :D
[11:19] <oimon> win + mac users won't get it till a month or so
[11:19] <oimon> due to high hassle cost
[11:20] <daubers> \o/ When someone does a push to the work bzr server I now get an mqtt notification :D
[11:21] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, it seems completely wrong to give it the file association, I just want to hear the thing I clicked on instantly with playback controls but no other significant GUI
[11:21] <directhex> AlanBell: i wouldn't want RB to be my file player either
[11:21] <directhex> AlanBell: or itunes or WMP!
[11:21] <directhex> of course, WMP is junk in all things
[11:22] <directhex> keeps crashing on these complicated ".mp3" files i throw at it
[11:23] <Mez> popey: have you actually gotten the spotify beta preview to work?
[11:26] <davmor2> directhex: I have to say that I'm happy with the whole RB decision I never got on with banshee and I tried, but with the crashing, crap ogg support for radio channels, last.fm not working without a paid account etc etc etc I'm glad I have a player that just plays music which is all I want at the end of the day :D
[11:27] <directhex> davmor2: the last.fm situation is complicated
[11:27] <davmor2> directhex: just works on rhythmbox
[11:27] <directhex> davmor2: there are two APIs. the current one, paid-only, and the old one, which supports free usage. the old api will be withdrawn "any day now" as of a couple of years ago
[11:27] <davmor2> p.s. that is one thing that had an update
[11:27] <directhex> banshee ported to the new api, other apps didn't
[11:29] <directhex> so banshee gets blamed for using the only supported api \o/
[11:29] <bigcalm> Sounds reasonable
[11:31] <davmor2> directhex: so RB update, libre.fm, zeitgeist plugin, updated last.fm, updated im report now supports more clients too, improve context pane too,  this is since the last time it was default player
[11:31] <oimon> getting impatient for a raspberry pi :-\
[11:31] <directhex> raspberry pi had so much potential :/
[11:32] <davmor2> oimon: it's not that hard to make you just need a flan base, raspberrys and raspberry relly done ;)
[11:32] <directhex> their choice of silicon will come back & bite everyone, fairly quickly
[11:33] <davmor2> directhex: how do you mean the choice on arm processor?
[11:34] <directhex> davmor2: the specific arm chip they're using
[11:34] <directhex> arm is fine, but in a project like this, what you pick matters
[11:34] <davmor2> directhex: yeap that's what I meant sorry
[11:34] <mgdm> directhex: what's up with it, out of interest?
[11:34] <davmor2> directhex: agreed it is too old and will soon get too expensive to support
[11:35] <mgdm> I've not really been following the development
[11:35] <davmor2> mgdm: Single old core so there are few OS's that still support it
[11:35] <directhex> mgdm: it uses a Broadcom BCM2835
[11:35] <directhex> mgdm: this is a non-free GPU, with an armv6 core thrown in for luck
[11:36] <directhex> mgdm: so issue 1: can't use ubuntu. ubuntu needs armv7
[11:36] <mgdm> Oooh dear.
[11:36] <davmor2> mgdm: they would of been better off with a slightly newer chip armv7<
[11:36] <directhex> issue 2: the gpu is the core of this thing. firmware images are loaded by the gpu. they need mangling with a proprietary tool for i386 to become bootable
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> Raspberry 2pi..
[11:36] <davmor2> ah directhex beat me too it
[11:37] <directhex> issue 3: all the drivers, pretty much, are non-free. guess how well supported new kernels are gonna be
[11:37] <mgdm> :/
[11:37] <popey> powervr all over again
[11:37] <directhex> it's a far worse situation than gma500 was
[11:37] <directhex> FAR worse
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> "But else we wouldn't be able to do it for £30"
[11:38] <directhex> MartijnVdS: indeed. but that means when it becomes a brick there'll need to be a new one. pretty quickly, i guess. which means splitting the support base early on
[11:38] <directhex> messy messy messy
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I agree.. better to increase the price a little and have a lot more freedom
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> directhex: but I don't think they will, at this stage
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> they're late already
[11:40] <oimon> however, if the first pi is successful....
[11:40] <popey> define $success
[11:40] <directhex> :O iran captured that US drone via hax, not accident
[11:40] <directhex> pld, iran
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> directhex: is what they claim
[11:41] <oimon> popey: large sales and/or reliable equipment and/or happy users and/or thriving community
[11:41] <oimon> then we might see a better pi^2 next year
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://tauday.com/ ;)
[11:41] <directhex> oimon: so now there's pi1 and pi2 instructions for everything. what do you write training docs for?
[11:42] <davmor2> they would of been better off aiming the first batch at geeks having the price higher and used armv7 and then with the money they made from the first batch discounted the ones for the kids after
[11:42] <oimon> what's the application? writing python progs?
[11:42] <directhex> oimon: which OS do you put in the screenshots?
[11:44] <oimon> who is you?
[11:44] <oimon> if i'm a schoolteacher, then i guess all pi's will be the same
[11:45] <davmor2> popey: I see you managed to get you're voip sorted in the end
[11:45] <directhex> oimon: anyone mass-producing documentation used for, say, schools.
[11:45] <oimon> all hardware gets updated and revved
[11:47] <oimon> the reason they chose broadcom is probably because eben upton works for them
[11:47] <davmor2> So people I have a question, who has an android tablet and would they recommend it?
[11:48] <directhex> android is the best worst mobile OS
[11:48] <oimon> i'll have one as soon as CM9 comes out on HP touchpad ;)
[11:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod I mena Hug who am I kidding prod ;)
[12:09] <Mez> popey: have you actually gotten the spotify beta preview to work?
[12:13] <bigcalm> Didn't work for me. But I was drinking ale at the time
[12:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap but things not working for you means nothing :P
[12:14] <bigcalm> Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:14] <bigcalm> Harsh
[12:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeah but it's Christmas and someone has to tone down the joy joy :D
[12:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: to be fair you'd probably spend the next 3 weeks digging into why it didn't work if Ale wasn't involved ;)
[12:51] <bigcalm> Happy now? https://github.com/bigcalm/Twitter-IRC-Gateway/commit/c5ce8fc8f41712c491e155b7ec5585a4216e4e9d
[13:07]  * daubers attempts to use ask ubuntu for a technical question
[13:08] <daubers> If anyone fancies a go at it http://askubuntu.com/questions/88214/using-libnotify-from-a-daemon-started-with-upstart :)
[13:14] <s-fox> Hello.
[13:16] <MooDoo> boo
[13:17] <s-fox> hoo
[13:17] <s-fox> :)
[13:17] <MooDoo> lol :)
[13:19] <dogmatic69> hmmm... just changed my pw in user settings thingy... looks like its hung :/
[13:20] <dogmatic69> system monitor says its sleeping
[13:22] <dogmatic69> anything I should / can do?
[13:53] <dogmatic69> is there a way to get a list of everything installed?
[13:54] <dogmatic69> or even better, non default stuff
[13:58] <popey> software centre has a history option?
[14:00] <dogmatic69> never use that before. always apt-get in terminal
[14:21] <chrisjrob> dogmatic69: from command line dpkg --get-selections
[14:21] <chrisjrob> but you'd need to do that when you first install to give you something to diff against thereafter
[14:22] <dogmatic69> thanks, any way to limit it to things that are not default installed?
[14:22] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[14:22] <chrisjrob> I suppose you could run a live CD?
[14:22] <dogmatic69> na, ill just live with that
[14:22] <dogmatic69> thanks
[14:23] <chrisjrob> it is a good idea though - to run that upon first install
[14:23] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:24] <chrisjrob> dogmatic69: I often also review dpkg.log
[14:25] <chrisjrob> they give you an idea of recent installs
[14:27] <popey> often
[14:30] <andylockran> anyone else got an issue with flash in chrome on 11.10 64 bit?
[14:30] <andylockran> It says it's out of date, but flashplugin-nonfree is the latest according to synaptic
[14:35] <chrisjrob> andylockran: chrome has its own built in version
[14:35] <chrisjrob> you can disable with about:plugin
[14:35] <chrisjrob> and then it'll fallback on flashplugin-nonfree
[14:35] <mgdm> only on 32-bit, IIRC
[14:35] <chrisjrob> about:plugins
[14:35] <brobostigon> and only on windows.
[14:36] <chrisjrob> it applies to linux as well
[14:36] <chrisjrob> unless something has changed recently - always possible
[14:37] <brobostigon> chrisjrob: i have chrome, under debian here, it doesnt have flash builtin, and relies on flash externally.
[14:37] <chrisjrob> chrome or chromium?
[14:38] <chrisjrob> i believe chrome has built in flash, chromium hasn't
[14:38] <brobostigon> both.
[14:46] <chrisjrob> brobostigon: i have remove flashplugin-nonfree, removed every copy of libflashplayer.so, and chrome still provides flash
[14:46] <andylockran> yeah, I'm not sure why my chrome isn't updating then...
[14:46] <andylockran> the inbuilt
[14:46] <chrisjrob> andylockran: they do fall behind on occasion
[14:46] <chrisjrob> i blogged about it a while ago
[14:46]  * chrisjrob tries to find it
[14:47] <chrisjrob> http://chrisjrob.com/2011/03/13/google-chrome-flash-plug-in-blocked/
[14:47] <andylockran> lash Player is the standard for delivering high-impact, rich Web content. Designs, animation, and application user interfaces are deployed immediately across all browsers and platforms, attracting and engaging users with a rich Web experience.
[14:47] <chrisjrob> but hey, i could be wrong
[14:47] <andylockran> The table below contains the latest Flash Player version
[14:47] <andylockran> lash Player is the standard for delivering high-impact, rich Web content. Designs, animation, and application user interfaces are deployed immediately across all browsers and platforms, attracting and engaging users with a rich Web experience.
[14:48] <andylockran> I have version 10,3,162,29 installed
[14:48] <chrisjrob> 64-bit seems to not have built-in flash
[14:48] <andylockran> Package 'adobe-flashplugin' is already installed
[14:50] <chrisjrob> andylockran: have you tried disabling in about:plugins?
[14:50] <andylockran> yeah
[14:50] <andylockran> and flash just stops working :)
[14:50] <chrisjrob> hmm
[14:51] <andylockran> I've got my mac next to the ubuntu desktop running the flash video so not a massive issue atm for me
[14:53] <chrisjrob> andylockran: yes, I'm getting the same
[14:55] <oimon> has this been discussed already ? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-December/001528.html
[14:56] <andylockran> oimon: java/flash ?
[14:56] <oimon> Due to the severity of the security risk, Canonical is immediately releasing a security update for the Sun JDK browser plugin which will disable the plugin on all machines. This will mitigate users' risk from malicious websites exploiting the vulnerable version of the Sun JDK.
[14:57] <andylockran> oimon: that's not flash though is it
[14:57] <oimon> no - completely unrelated to your issue
[14:57] <chrisjrob> andylockran: I am running debian - is ubuntu not still "flashplugin-nonfree"?
[14:58] <andylockran> ah, sorry
[14:58] <andylockran> chrisjrob: it is
[15:03] <AlanBell> Oracle demonstrating the dangers of closed software once again
[15:03] <chrisjrob> andylockran: in about:plugins can you see a Details option at the top right?
[15:03] <chrisjrob> click that and it lists (for me) two versions of flash
[15:03] <chrisjrob> you could experiment with disabling one or t'other
[15:06] <cliftonts> hey, is AlanBell about?
[15:06] <AlanBell> o/
[15:06] <cliftonts> hi
[15:07] <cliftonts> remember advising me to add my blog to the planet ubuntu page?
[15:07] <MooDoo> cliftonts: uk's or the main one?
[15:08] <MooDoo> main one - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[15:08] <MooDoo> ubuntu uk - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet/
[15:08] <cliftonts> uk
[15:08] <MooDoo> ^^ :)
[15:08] <cliftonts> I'm added, my name shows in the list down the side but none of my posts are showing
[15:08] <cliftonts> it's been like that for days
[15:09] <MooDoo> what is your name lol
[15:09] <christel> AlanBell is always censoring stuff...
[15:09] <cliftonts> Gareth France
[15:09] <davmor2> cliftonts: did you add the rrs feed for you blog?
[15:09] <cliftonts> lol why would he censor a page he advised adding?
[15:09] <andylockran> chrisjrob: I've just found that - thanks
[15:10] <AlanBell> the feed url is wrong, should be http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?feed=rss2
[15:10] <czajkowski> cliftonts: christel was just joking
[15:10] <christel> cliftonts: i was jesting ;)
[15:10] <cliftonts> Aah right
[15:10] <chrisjrob> andylockran: good good :)
[15:10] <AlanBell> no doubt popey will fixor it shortly
[15:10] <MooDoo> AlanBell: beat me to it. :D
[15:10] <cliftonts> I've never added to a page like that before
[15:10] <cliftonts> can I just amend it? Or does someone else have to?
[15:11] <MooDoo> you can do it.......
[15:11] <AlanBell> cliftonts: if you edit the wiki page and put the right feed URL in that would be great
[15:11] <cliftonts> I'll have a stab at it then, but I warn you the wiki pages hate me!
[15:12] <AlanBell> don't take it personally, they hate everyone
[15:12] <cliftonts> lol
[15:12] <MooDoo> cliftonts: it's easy, but if you get stuff i'm sure someone could edit it for you for a price ;)
[15:12] <MooDoo> s/stuff/stuck
[15:12] <cliftonts> MooDoo it usually refuses to even show me the editing option
[15:12] <MooDoo> cliftonts: booooo
[15:12] <cliftonts> however today it is being kind!
[15:13] <davmor2> cliftonts: the price is 3,000,000 rupees
[15:13] <cliftonts> tis done
[15:14] <cliftonts> now sit back and fingers crossed I guess
[15:14] <cliftonts> thanks
[15:19] <cliftonts> how often does planet ubuntu update anyway?
[15:19] <MooDoo> cliftonts: it's a manual job to edit the actual conf so it will get done shorltly i'm sure
[15:19] <MooDoo> cliftonts: every hour ish i think
[15:20] <cliftonts> oh right. It seems like a great service
[15:20] <MooDoo> cliftonts: quite easy to setup to :d
[15:20] <cliftonts> I've seen it before but never given it much thought until recently. I'm lazy so stick to omgubuntu for my news
[15:21] <jutnux> Anyone listened to Coldplays new album
[15:21] <jutnux> ?
[15:23] <gord> coldplay still exist?
[15:23] <MooDoo> yup
[15:23] <MooDoo> played the x factor final the other day
[15:36] <gord> i don't count that as an existance
[15:41] <cliftonts> lol
[15:41] <jutnux> Their new album is quite good
[15:41] <oimon> jutnux: i have all their albums
[15:42] <oimon> i probably like each one slightly less each time
[15:42] <jutnux> Well
[15:42] <jutnux> by quite good I mean 2 songs
[15:42] <oimon> they all seem to merge into one on the latest album
[15:43] <mgdm> I liked them up until X&Y, at that point I lost interest
[15:45] <oimon> especially as my x&y mp3s have nasty noises on because sony/whoever decided to deliberately msess up the CD for anyone who wishes to rip their own media to mp3
[15:57] <DJones> MPA have hit Sky broadband now, getting newbin blocked
[16:01] <Azelphur> DJones: I'm on sky, anything I can do?
[16:01] <Azelphur> in a "take your filters and shove them up your ass" sort of way
[16:02] <cliftonts> Well, planet ubuntu just updated with no change to my status. Guess it'll be a longer wait than I'd hoped
[16:02] <oimon> what's newbin, a piracy site?
[16:02] <daubers> cliftonts: planet ubuntu and the uk one are different :)
[16:02] <cliftonts> I mean the UK one
[16:03] <Azelphur> oimon: newzbin is a usenet search engine
[16:03] <cliftonts> I'm just too lazy to type 2 extra letters lol
[16:03] <MooDoo> cliftonts: you need to wait a bit
[16:03] <cliftonts> I will don't worry
[16:03] <MooDoo> when you edit the file you edited it notifies a few people who need to manually edit it...they will get round to it when they get round to it :D
[16:03] <Azelphur> DJones: so, anyone I can rage at?
[16:04] <cliftonts> I've just been let down by Royal Mail enough to not trust having sent something as being  guarantee it'll get there lol
[16:04] <oimon> "From January, Internet Explorer (IE) users will be automatically updated to the latest version of the browser."
[16:04] <DJones> Azelphur: No idea, guess it'll be the MPA
[16:04] <Azelphur> oh, that seems useless
[16:04] <DJones> Azelphur: Its not as if somebody couldn't just use a different search engine if they wanted to
[16:05] <Azelphur> DJones: indeed, or bypass it, I just don't like that stuff :p
[16:05] <popey> someone pung?
[16:05] <popey> AlanBell: ?
[16:06] <MooDoo> popey: popey think someone mentioned you in relation to the planet
[16:06] <MooDoo> i think :D
[16:06] <cliftonts> lol, I'm not getting pushy MooDoo
[16:06] <MooDoo> cliftonts: DEMAND IT :D
[16:06] <MooDoo> lo
[16:06] <cliftonts> I'm just looking forward to ticking it off my list
[16:07] <MooDoo> cliftonts: bear with it, it's not normally to long :D
[16:07] <popey> cliftonts: wassup?
[16:07] <cliftonts> MooDoo: I'm sure not which is why I'm not worried. However my F5 key is beginning to wear out! lol
[16:08] <cliftonts> popey: I added myself to the planet ubuntu uk page incorrectly. I've corrected it now but of course it needs someone to apply that change
[16:08] <MooDoo> popey: he just edited the planet wiki and wants the conf updating NO DAGNAMIT!
[16:08] <MooDoo> pah that fell flat on it's face seeing as i can't type properly :D
[16:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: sadtrombone.com
[16:09] <popey> ah ok
[16:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: shut it you "prod"....er actually wrong person
[16:09] <MooDoo> czajkowski: big christmas STAB!!!!
[16:10]  * davmor2 fires nurfs at czajkowski 
[16:10]  * MooDoo hijacks the nurfs and substitutes them with paint balls
[16:11] <popey> cliftonts: http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?tag=ubuntu&feed=rss2 is the url I will use
[16:11] <popey> to filter so only ubuntu tagged posts will go to the planet
[16:11] <cliftonts> That's what I amended it to yes
[16:11] <cliftonts> oh I see, well all my posts will be Ubuntu related
[16:13] <popey> not all of them are tagged ubuntu though
[16:15] <cliftonts> All my posts have the tag ubuntu in them
[16:15] <popey> heh, they do now ☺
[16:15] <cliftonts> I forgot to put tags on the latest one but have just corrected that
[16:16] <popey> we prefer people to use tags, gives you the flexibility to post non-ubuntu stuff, and make a concious effort to tag stuff ubuntu to make it appear on planet
[16:16] <popey> http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/ there you go
[16:17] <cliftonts> popey: That's fair enough however my blog is specifically aimed at detailing my efforts to introduce the masses to Ubuntu. So 'in theory' all posts should be relevant
[16:17] <popey> sure, I underatand
[16:17] <cliftonts> popey: And 'in theory' should also all be correctly tagged lol
[16:17] <popey> ☺
[16:18] <MooDoo> cliftonts: all this hassle and the first post i see mentions windows??? how very dare you ;) lol ha ha ha
[16:18] <cliftonts> MooDoo: In a constructive fashion of course. Using Windows to tempt new users over
[16:18] <MooDoo> cliftonts: don't worry i'm teasin
[16:19] <cliftonts> I know, and yes it hurt a little to even think down those lines lol
[16:19] <cliftonts> I'm thinking it should be good to debate the details of what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. The whole Windows issue is very important if my machines are to sell
[16:25] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Time for a flirt with the dark side? - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=18
[16:26] <cliftonts> Oh look....there I go now. lol
[16:28] <popey> gord: why do you unity windows move off one desktop onto another?
[16:28] <cliftonts> MooDoo: I'm just browsing the stats on my page. It was very nice of Microsoft to pass 8 people to my page from their search engine
[16:28] <cliftonts> There's an irony in there somewhere
[16:28] <popey> switch desktop and find a window from another desktop hanging over the edge of this one
[16:30] <gord> switch desktop?
[16:30] <gord> like workspace?
[16:31] <popey> yeah
[16:31] <popey> they kinda creep
[16:31] <popey> like the firefox download window was near (not at) the edge of desktop 1, i switch desktops and find it's overhanging desktop 2 at the left side under the launcher
[16:32] <popey> happens vertically too
[16:33] <gord> hum, doesn't happen here, multi-monitor?
[16:33] <popey> nope
[16:34] <popey> has happened at least 5 times today
[16:34] <cliftonts> My workspace switcher doesn't do anything :/
[16:34] <gord> hrm, you using -proposed popey? we are getting a compiz SRU ready
[16:36] <popey> wow
[16:36] <popey> that was rude
[16:36] <popey> [14870071.581207] screen[3670]: segfault at c ip b76b7669 sp bff266dc error 4 in libc-2.11.1.so[b764a000+157000]
[16:37] <gord> that looks... scary
[16:37] <popey> blammo, bye bye irssi
[16:38] <gord> if you didn't see it: <gord> hrm, you using -proposed popey? we are getting a compiz SRU ready
[16:38] <gord> * popey has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[16:38] <popey> yes
[16:41] <gord> feel like testing without -proposed? ;)
[16:41] <popey> how do you mean? random debs ?
[16:44] <davmor2> popey: just run update-manager -d and everything will be magically fixed ;)
[16:44] <czajkowski> evening
[16:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: prodski
[16:48] <gord> popey, never mind sru hasn't gone through yet, sounds weird but very window manager related, give smspillaz a poke about it after the holidays or something
[16:48] <popey> friend of mine has the same issue
[16:52] <cliftonts> Hey, here's a thought. Does anyone know why my machine has 'second monitor' blindness when running ubuntu? It's a HP laptop
[16:55] <jutnux> What video card cliftonts
[16:55] <cliftonts> erm.. Nvidia something, hang on
[16:55] <cliftonts> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [GeForce Go 6150] (rev a2)
[16:56] <gord> cliftonts, enabled the second monitor in nvidia-settings?
[16:56] <cliftonts> it just doesn't react at all to the monitor
[16:56] <cliftonts> nvidia settings doesn't show a second monitor
[16:57] <cliftonts> Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:
[16:57] <cliftonts> Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.
[16:57] <cliftonts> That's displayed in X server display config
[17:00] <cliftonts> Silence....Have I got people thinking?
[17:02] <bigcalm> It's close to the end of the day here. People might be franticly trying to get some work done before the week is out ;)
[17:03] <czajkowski> and heading off to the pub for a swift one
[17:03] <cliftonts> bigcalm: Heaven forbid! Work is a very bad habit I try to avoid ;)
[17:03] <bigcalm> This is what I miss out on by working from home
[17:04]  * popey is doing exactly this
[17:04] <jutnux> clifftonts: nvidia-settings
[17:04] <jutnux> Have you looked on there and changed it to twinview?
[17:04] <bigcalm> popey: frantic work or pub?
[17:04] <popey> former
[17:04] <bigcalm> :D
[17:04] <cliftonts> Jutnux: nvidia settings can't see my second monitor. What good is that?
[17:05] <bigcalm> cliftonts: you might have better luck setting it up in xorg.conf by hand
[17:05] <cliftonts> jutnux: I don't have twinview. I don't have anything relating to more than one monitor
[17:05] <cliftonts> bigcalm: I'm not going to tinker like that. I don't have the time and my need isn't great enough. It's just mildly annoying that it's stopped working since unity was born
[17:06] <bigcalm> Oh, unity has a horrible time with multiple monitors. But you should still be able to see it listed somewhere. Computers are fun :D
[17:07] <cliftonts> I'm sure it'll get fixed sooner or later and quite frankly this machine is dying anyway
[17:07] <cliftonts> I only keep it as a reminder that I'm too poor to replace it!
[17:07] <gord> if nvidia-settings doesn't see it, its not unity's fault
[17:08] <cliftonts> gord: The problem started when unity became standard. I'm aware that may not be the cause however
[17:13] <daubers> cliftonts: Silly question of the day, but the second monitor is plugged into the second port on an nvidia graphics card isn't it? Not the motherboards card?
[17:14] <cliftonts> It's a laptop, it has a built in card with a port on the side of the machine
[17:14] <daubers> Hmm... you've not accidentally disabled it with some combo keyset that modifies the bios? (I've done that before)
[17:14] <daubers> (stupid toshiba satellites)
[17:14] <cliftonts> I should add the screen works during booting and goes blank when ubuntu takes over
[17:16] <cliftonts> Aah! My driver is version 173 and not the reccomended one. Think that might sort it?
[17:17] <gord> you tell us :)
[17:17] <cliftonts> give me 5 mins and I will
[17:18] <cliftonts> if i don't come back it was a bad idea!
[17:18] <daubers> I'd still double check that. My stupid tosh would run both screens for the bios then turn the external one off
[17:19] <cliftonts> daubers: I'll be on that next then
[17:21] <cliftonts> ok, going for a reboot
[17:26] <cliftonts> interesting...
[17:26] <cliftonts> I've gained dual monitors but lost my wallpaper
[18:18]  * christel swoops in and tackles czajkowski 
[18:18]  * czajkowski tackles christel instead 
[18:19] <czajkowski> listening to the Prodigy while roomba cleans
[18:19] <czajkowski> this is a goog combination
[18:19] <czajkowski> *good
[18:20] <christel> hehe
[18:20] <christel> bless
[18:21] <christel> i'm getting ready for Yet Another Christmas Party
[18:21] <christel> my liver is begging for christmas to be over
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> christel: only a few more weeks
[18:22] <christel> indeed!
[18:29] <davmor2> christel: You know there is this stuff called lemonade you can drink that instead honest ;)
[18:31] <zleap> what version of thunderbird does 11.10 come with
[18:32] <davmor2> zleap: before or after updates?
[18:32] <zleap> before i guess
[18:32] <davmor2> on the cd it is 7 post update 8
[18:32] <zleap> ok
[18:32] <zleap> is that the same for firefox too
[18:34] <davmor2> zleap: I think so yeap
[18:35] <zleap> ok thanks so if  I specify version 7 for bothj its probably safer and less likely to mislead people
[18:35] <zleap> thanks
[18:36] <davmor2> zleap: It's possibly safer to just say has Thunderbird and Firefox and not mention the versions at all
[18:37] <zleap> good point, have changed it
[18:48] <mattt> anyone here in/around camberley?
[19:00] <AlanBell> mattt: quite a few within striking distance of camberley
[19:04] <jutnux> Anyone here in/around Norwich?
[19:05] <jutnux> Just wondering, not that I'd be able to do anything.
[19:05] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[19:07] <zleap> AlanBell, how do I get myself added to that ?
[19:08] <jutnux> Fill in the form zleap
[19:09] <zleap> thanks
[19:11] <zleap> done, I will try and get members of the dclug to do the same
[19:11] <AlanBell> great
[19:11] <AlanBell> also http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[19:11] <directhex> moo
[19:11] <jutnux> How do you accomplish the snail mail address?
[19:11] <jutnux> \o directhex
[19:12] <popey> mattt: i am
[19:12] <zleap> I will add that 2nd one to my website,  in fact will add the free cd one to my poster
[19:12] <popey> in fact my wife has just gone out tonight in camberley without me :'|
[19:13] <AlanBell> jutnux: simple process, you send me an email and I send you a snail
[19:13] <AlanBell> or possibly a slug
[19:13] <jutnux> :-(
[19:13] <AlanBell> or maybe I should read the instructions a bit closer
[19:14] <AlanBell> I think I have had more requests from people based in India than the UK
[19:14] <AlanBell> all very polite, but I don't ship there!
[19:14] <jutnux> I was thinking of getting one when my Internet was terrible.
[19:16] <directhex> http://people.collabora.com/~directhex/scan.jpg
[19:17] <AlanBell> oooooh
[19:17] <AlanBell> congratulations :)
[19:18] <czajkowski> canonical looks cool tonight flashing blue and purple lights
[19:18] <jutnux> Congratulations directhex :-)
[19:19] <zleap> congrats directhex
[19:20] <czajkowski> directhex: congrats
[19:21] <popey> yay! congrats directhex  and mrs hex
[19:22] <mattt> AlanBell / popey: decent enough area?  we were looking at a place to live there this evening
[19:22] <davmor2> directhex: Congrats Dude
[19:24] <popey> mattt: depends which bit
[19:25] <mattt> popey: kings ride, just north of the town centre
[19:25] <daubers> directhex: Wow! Scary! Good luck dude!
[19:25] <directhex> daubers, thank you for being the first to articulate realistic feelings about it :p
[19:26] <daubers> directhex: :p
[19:26] <mattt> directhex: nice one :)
[19:46] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16224394
[19:47] <jacobw> the implication that france is secular and britain is not is .. worrying :|
[19:48] <czajkowski> directhex: when is it due ?
[19:48] <directhex> czajkowski, early july
[19:49] <czajkowski> directhex: fun few months ahead, is this yer first?
[19:49] <directhex> it is.
[19:50] <czajkowski> directhex: will ye find out closer if it's a boy or a girl ?
[20:02] <AlanBell> jacobw: france is technically secular as it doesn't have an established church
[20:03] <jacobw> he seems to be proud that we have an established church
[20:04] <jacobw> its as if he's saying "we're better than them because we're christian!"
[20:04] <AlanBell> !religion
[20:04] <jacobw> hehe
[20:04] <jacobw> i know
[20:04] <AlanBell> :)
[20:04] <AlanBell> he didn't have a lot of choice given venue and occasion
[20:05] <AlanBell> 400 years of a copyright anomoly
[20:06] <jacobw> he had no choice in that famously religous environment of oxford :p
[20:08] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version count the "oxfords"
[20:10] <jacobw> meh
[20:11] <zleap> god = root user
[20:13] <jacobw> does the pope sudo?
[20:13] <zleap> dunno
[20:14] <zleap> maybe the pope uses ubuntu
[20:14] <jutnux> Restarting your computer as the sound was not working but not realising you turned the speakers off moments before :-(
[20:15] <zleap> lol
[20:15] <davmor2> jacobw: lets check popey do you sudo?
[20:17] <zleap> davmor2, http://stephencuyos.com/vatican-library-uses-linux/
[20:17] <zleap> :D
[20:17] <davmor2> zleap: But there is only one pope we care about
[20:17] <zleap> yeah
[20:17] <zleap>  popey,
[20:20] <zleap> hey they use linux thats a good thing surely :)
[20:30] <directhex> czajkowski, yeah, we will do
[20:30] <directhex> czajkowski, not even far enough along for the nuchal fold test
[21:07] <DaveMorris> Attempting to connect to a Win 2003 Server via IPsec\L2TP and I'm getting "modem-manager: (net/ppp0): could not get port's parent device" any ideas?
[21:07] <directhex> windows @_@
[21:08] <DaveMorris> not my choice
[21:08] <DaveMorris> works VPN server
[21:09] <DaveMorris> they won't open up a SSH port for me or use OpenVPN
[21:11] <directhex> wait, windows server uses pptp. they installed an ipsec server on windows? o_o
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Windows can use ipsec/l2tp instead of pptp
[21:12] <directhex> really? i don't know these things
[21:12] <directhex> it's an alien os. for aliens
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> .. says Mr Mono
[21:13] <directhex> yep
[21:13] <DaveMorris> :)
[21:13] <directhex> you think i know anything about .net on windows?
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> Alot :)
[21:17] <directhex> i've used visual c# once, to access a java->c# source conversion tool that was available in an old VS - 2003 or so.
[21:18] <directhex> since then i've been trying, badly, to build gstreamer with visual c++
[22:27] <zleap> hi
[22:27] <zleap> trying to boot 12,04 in virtual box
[22:35] <jacobw> zleap: any problems?
[22:44] <zleap> i had to enable pae which seems odd on a 2gb system
[22:44] <zleap> apart from that seems ok so far
[22:46] <zleap> but I am using virtual box too hence i had to do the above
[23:06] <christel> congratulations directhex :D
[23:23] <j0nr> hey folks. Why is my webcampicture so crap? If I open Cheese, the picture is awful, almost like a solarize effect!
[23:24] <jacobw> low lighting?
[23:27] <j0nr> no, its really low fps and the colours/quality is just awful!
[23:28] <j0nr> it should be pretty good. I have had it working before (before 1104) and it was great, so dont know why it is so bad today
[23:31] <j0nr> its definately something to do with the external usb webcam, as the inbuilt one is fine
[23:31] <jacobw> ok
[23:43] <j0nr> hmm lsusb seems to have fixed it