[03:51] <nuvolari> superfly: I wanted to, but I'm missing it in my font collection :P I'll try to install it just now
[04:11] <nuvolari> :> I like!
[06:07] <inetpro> Good morning 
[06:37] <superfly> morning inetpro
[13:49] <kierend> hello.  i need to speak to a LEG person.  are any active?
[13:52] <superfly> kierend: I'm not sure which people are LEG people... tumbleweed, isn't that something you have connections to?
[13:53]  * tumbleweed waves at kierend
[13:53] <tumbleweed> but I need to run off
[13:53] <kierend> tumbleweed: wait, quickly!
[13:54] <kierend> any chance of leg sponsorship of pizza for a tsl fixing tomorrow?
[13:54] <kierend> well, not fixing but construction
[13:55] <tumbleweed> sure
[13:55] <kierend> :D
[13:55] <tumbleweed> although it's no tmy decision, we do have a committee
[13:55] <kierend> ok
[13:55] <tumbleweed> but they suck
[13:55] <kierend> can i talk to you later to arrange things?
[13:55] <kierend> whenever's good for you
[13:55] <tumbleweed> I'll poke you whe nI get back. Going to a wedding...
[13:55] <kierend> sweet
[13:55] <kierend> thanks
[13:55] <kierend> enjoy
[14:14] <nuvolari> geez, lots of people getting married today
[14:15] <nuvolari> I know of at least 2
[14:15] <nuvolari> :P
[14:15] <nuvolari> Does anyone around here have experience with 3G/Cell antennas? (building-mounted)
[14:16] <nuvolari> I do find in the specs that they mention the wind speed that it can handle, but there's not any menion on something like lightning strikes
[14:49] <Kilos> afternoon superfly  and others
[14:49] <superfly> hey Kilos!
[14:49] <Kilos> ty will try that
[14:59] <Kilos> thats a good command. ty superfly 
[15:02] <zeref> sooooo lazy
[15:03] <zeref> bust lurking on myBB
[15:03] <zeref> *busy
[15:04] <Kilos> haha hiya zeref 
[15:09] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[15:10] <Langjan> Hi kilos
[15:10] <Kilos> hi there Langjan  hows ya
[15:11] <Langjan> fine thanks, you?
[15:11] <Kilos> not too bad thank you
[15:11] <Langjan> wat pla?
[15:11] <superfly> hi Langjan
[15:11] <Kilos> kop soos gewoonlik
[15:11] <Langjan> hi superfly 
[15:11] <Kilos> hehe
[15:12] <Langjan> kry jy hoofpyn?
[15:12] <Kilos> 24/7
[15:12] <Langjan> Waaroor stres jy? Of drink jy nie water nie? Of albei...
[15:12] <Kilos> waar skedel aanmekaar gegroei het het dit sunuwees vas gegroei
[15:13] <Langjan> Eina, jammer daaroor.  
[15:13] <Kilos> dis nou n 13 jaar hoofpein
[15:13] <Kilos> word gewoont
[15:13] <Langjan> My innige simpatie
[15:14] <Kilos> nee man
[15:14] <Kilos> waarop is jy nou
[15:14] <Kilos> maverick of natty
[15:14] <Kilos> 10.10 of 11.04
[15:14] <Langjan> Daar's 'n homeopaat/chiro in Petoria wat uitstekend is met "onmoontlike" skeletverwante probleme
[15:15] <Langjan> eks op 10.10, het gereboot
[15:15] <Kilos> ek was by die headache clinic in joies gewees and die mense daar se al manier is om die senuwees te sny
[15:16] <Kilos> o het jy xchat reg?
[15:16] <Langjan> Nee, is nou op die harde skyf met die hommelbyprobleem  
[15:16] <Kilos> haha
[15:17] <Kilos> so xchat werk op hierdie een?
[15:17] <Langjan> Kilos voordat jy oorweeg om te laat sny moet jy dr Lilley in Pta gaan sien, ek ken hom en sy Pa al 50 jaar lank
[15:17] <Kilos> of is dit die een wat na ander kanaal toe gaan
[15:19] <Langjan> Alles is nou op die 11.04 gerugsteun ook my e-posse so ons kan nou "go to town" op hierdie een om dit reg te kry
[15:19] <Kilos> ek het begin by die neuro schirurg wat my aan mekaar gesit het en hy het gese die senuwees is vas geknyp waar die skedel weer vas gegroei het en ek moet leer om daarmee saam te leef
[15:20] <Kilos> aha
[15:20] <Kilos> wil jy reg maak of van voor begin met partisies en instaleer
[15:21] <Langjan> ek dink julle wou laas die Nvidia uithaal, ek wil graag probeer opgradeer maar is bang die probleem word neet orgedra 
[15:22] <Kilos> wil jy van die internet opgradeer
[15:22] <Langjan> het so gedink ja
[15:24] <Kilos> wel dan gaan jy als moet aflaai so hoekom laai jy nie die hele 11.04 af nie en brand n cd ek instaleer van scratch
[15:25] <Langjan> OK maar ek het 'n 11.04 CD
[15:25] <Kilos> o dis goed dan
[15:25] <Kilos> instaleer van die begin
[15:27] <Kilos> kan jy op die ander pc nog hier wees terwyl jy dit doen
[15:27] <Kilos> ek weet nie of jy aparte partisies will maak nie?
[15:28] <Langjan> Goed ek maak so, dan gesels ons later. Oorweeg daai homeopaat, hy en sy Pa het al baie dinge gedoen wat die gewone medici as onmoontlik sien
[15:29] <Kilos> ok install en doen sudo apt-get update
[15:29] <Kilos> dan sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:29] <Langjan> Ek gaan die ekstra partisies wegvat, maar stel steeds belang in die backup pparyisie wat jy van praat 
[15:30] <Langjan> maar ek kan nie met jou gesels terwyl ek dit doen nie
[15:31] <Kilos> o kan jy nie jou vrou se pc gebruik selle tyd nie
[15:31] <Langjan> dit kan ons doen...
[15:31] <Langjan> maar nie nou nie, sy is besig om fotos uit te sorteer
[15:32] <Kilos> ek weet net hoe om aparte partisies te maak vir boot, root, home  en dan een vir backups of storage
[15:32] <Kilos> maar superfly sal ons help ook ek dink
[15:33] <Kilos> superfly, if Langjan does n clean install can you help him them make a partition for backup please
[15:33] <Langjan> waarvoor is boot en root?  
[15:33] <Kilos> boot is your boot partition
[15:33] <Kilos> root is al the info ubuntu uses
[15:33] <Langjan> what's a boot partition?
[15:34] <Kilos> boot is what a pc does when it starts up
[15:35] <Langjan> That I understand, but a boot partition is as clear as mud
[15:35] <Kilos> but is you install and let it use the whole drive i am sure one of the guys will help us get a backup partition on there for you
[15:35] <Kilos> oh
[15:35] <Kilos> i dont think most peeps use that way anymore
[15:36] <Langjan> I can create a separate partition while installing, keep it blank for future use?
[15:36] <Kilos> ya
[15:37] <Langjan> OK will get back to you when it's done
[15:37] <Kilos> the main advantage of separate partitions is you make a /home partition and keep that same one through all upgrades
[15:38] <Kilos> ok if i am not online mail me
[15:38] <Kilos> or even sms if you like
[15:38] <Langjan> Does that mean I will have a home partition on each of my hard drives?
[15:39] <Kilos> there is a /home on all ubuntu drives
[15:39] <Kilos> but making it separate means you can install other versions without losing anything in your home part
[15:39] <Langjan> Now I'm in the mud again - you just said I must create a separate home partition
[15:40] <Kilos> if you do then
[15:40] <Kilos> um
[15:40] <Kilos> from booting with the cd
[15:40] <Langjan> So you separate the /home partition from the  main drive? 
[15:40] <Kilos> you go advanced
[15:40] <Kilos> yip
[15:41] <Langjan> do I have to do that while in the upgrade process? 
[15:41] <Kilos> in advanced you make a root partition first like about 20gig
[15:41] <Kilos> no
[15:42] <Kilos> upgrade will upgrade what you have there now
[15:42] <Kilos> so bumblebee still gonna bug you
[15:42] <Kilos> i think
[15:42] <Langjan> I mean clean install
[15:42] <Kilos> oh yes
[15:43] <Kilos> but if you just let it install then you can make other partitions later 
[15:43] <Kilos> but making a home then is massive work
[15:44] <Langjan> so you're saying it must be done simultaneously
[15:45] <Kilos> from the beginning
[15:45] <Kilos> when you boot from the cd
[15:45] <Kilos> you go install
[15:45] <Kilos> the in that first window
[15:45] <Kilos> you go advanced
[15:46] <Kilos> then you get the option to make your own partitions from scratch
[15:46] <Kilos> it takes careful reading of what goes where
[15:46] <Kilos> but end result works great
[15:47] <Langjan> I think I must activate xchat on Juanita's machine when I do it so you can help when I get stuck
[15:47] <Kilos> you will see the boot partition is /boot
[15:47] <Kilos> root partition is /root
[15:48] <Kilos> make boot about 6 gig
[15:48] <Kilos> and the rest spare
[15:49] <Kilos> or storage
[15:49] <Langjan> so there must be 3 partitions - 1 for the main OS, 1 for root and 1 for boot?
[15:49] <Langjan> how big the root?
[15:49] <Kilos> yeah
[15:49] <Kilos> i use 6g /boot
[15:50] <Langjan> you said so, and root?
[15:50] <Kilos> 20g /root
[15:50] <Kilos> 30g /home
[15:51] <Langjan> what's home? I thought that was the backup partition? so theres home, boot, root and spare? 4?   
[15:51] <Kilos> rest /storage
[15:51] <Kilos> so i think smaller would work too
[15:51] <Kilos> but you have tons of space
[15:51] <Kilos> home is all the stuff you see if you now go places home
[15:52] <Kilos> all your programs , settings etc
[15:52] <Kilos> everything is in those 3 partitions
[15:52] <Kilos> your whole ubuntu is in home
[15:53] <Langjan> totally konfoes! You said /home is the backup partition...? 
[15:53] <Kilos> oh sorry
[15:55] <Langjan> I think I must simply use my second drive as backup like I'm doing now, then do backups manually once a month or so 
[15:55] <Kilos> the backup will be of your home
[15:55] <Kilos> so its also called home
[15:55] <Kilos> look at places home
[15:55] <Kilos> all of that is what you backup to another folder in your storage called home
[15:56] <Kilos> that works too
[15:56] <Langjan> so I back up home in home? Ek dink eks te oud vir die goeters
[15:56] <Kilos> i backup to an external drive
[15:56] <Langjan> same thing
[15:57] <Langjan> mine's just inside the box
[15:57] <Kilos> that backup home is only a folder on another drive or partition
[15:59] <Kilos> why dont you do a clean install and just do regular backups
[15:59] <Kilos> thats easiest
[15:59] <Kilos> no need to make partitions for starters
[15:59] <Kilos> if you can make a spare space that fine
[16:00] <Kilos> kinda hard to explain in text without having it in front of you
[16:02] <Langjan> OK i'll do that  - partitioning is for another day
[16:02] <Kilos> ok
[16:02] <Kilos> ok
[16:03] <Langjan> Take care, & think about that homeopath. He is really excellent, but expensive...
[16:03] <Kilos> just dont go looking for bumblebee again
[16:03] <Kilos> no option for that jan
[16:03] <Langjan> why not? sounds sexy, that's why I went there in the first place...
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:04] <Kilos> i dont have income or pension etc
[16:04] <Kilos> will survive dont worry
[16:04] <Langjan> maybe it should be "bumbling," that's also what you do when you mess around.  
[16:05] <Kilos> it is for nvidia and you dont have a nvidia card so it cant work
[16:05] <Kilos> you have intel onboard graphics
[16:05] <Kilos> so whatever ubuntu install from scratch should work
[16:06] <Langjan> See you miles, meanwhile also search the Word about healing - it has been given to God's children to enjoy. 
[16:06] <Langjan> He is the Great Healer of all time
[16:06] <Kilos> yip thats the only choice
[16:06] <Langjan> Will also speak to Him about your problem
[16:07] <Kilos> ty that will be great
[16:07] <Kilos> you are on xchat hey
[16:07] <Kilos> now i mean
[16:07] <Langjan> Take care my friend, will chat again soon 
[16:08] <Kilos> ty Langjan  you too
[16:08] <Langjan> ek verstaan nie - ons chat dan op xchat?
[16:08] <Kilos> look left
[16:08] <Kilos> see an extra channel there
[16:08] <Kilos> blue
[16:09] <Langjan> no
[16:09] <Kilos> what do you see
[19:08] <Kilos> evening all
[19:08] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:08]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:12] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:12] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[19:18] <superfly> naandsê oom kierend
[19:18] <superfly> *Kilos
[19:18] <superfly> yeesh kierend, you're messing up my tab completion! :-P
[19:18] <Kilos> lol
[19:18] <Kilos> naande superfly 
[19:18] <Kilos> ha ha
[19:19] <Kilos> you a creature of habit i see
[19:23] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight.
[20:42] <tumbleweed> kierend: home
[21:08] <kierend> woot
[21:13] <kierend> so
[21:13] <kierend> i would be very grateful if leg would fund some pizza and maybe some drinks
[21:14] <kierend> tumbleweed: 
[21:15] <tumbleweed> kierend: kosie is probably the person to talk to
[21:17] <tumbleweed> kierend: I'll do my best to be there
[21:19] <kierend> oh, is he on the committee?
[21:19] <tumbleweed> yes
[21:19] <kierend> aaah
[21:19] <kierend> ok
[21:19] <tumbleweed> of course my gut answer is yes
[21:19] <kierend> i didn't know this
[21:20] <tumbleweed> and if LEG can't clug can throw some money at it. Or I can. Or... whatever
[21:22] <kierend> :D