[11:32] <BjornW> Can somebody tell me more about how Lubuntu deals with sound/audio? Is it using plain ALSA or PulseAudio or anything else? Where can I read about these things?
[11:33] <bioterror> alsa
[11:41] <kvarley> BjornW: LUbuntu uses Alsa by default - http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page ; https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture
[11:41] <kvarley> BjornW: You can, however, install PulseAudio within LUbuntu. =]
[11:42] <kvarley> bioterror: How's it going?
[11:42] <BjornW> thanks bioterror and kvarley! I'm trying to automatically switch between soundcards :)
[11:43] <kvarley> BjornW: This looks promising: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/dual-soundcards-in-alsa-293002/  Just search around on forums and wiki pages I guess =)
[11:43] <kvarley> Is there a program I can use for openbox which will let me mimic compiz window tiling?
[12:06] <bioterror> kvarley, fine, I guess, a little tired ;)
[12:06] <kvarley> bioterror: Clearly sir, you need more caffeine xD
[12:06] <bioterror> I do need
[12:06] <bioterror> I'm far from my normal daily dosage
[12:08] <kvarley> bioterror: haha, withdrawl isn't fun
[12:08] <BjornW> How can I enable the restarting of X (used to ctrl-alt-backspace)
[12:09] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm restart
[12:09] <BjornW> thanx bioterror.
[12:09] <bioterror> I dunno why that ctrl-alt-del is disabled by default nowdays
[12:49] <BjornW> I'm trying to get Lubuntu to use my other soundcard for the mixer. So far no luck any hints? Ps: lxde.org is down?
[12:49] <bioterror> BjornW, install "pavucontrol"
[12:50] <BjornW> bioterror: isn't that just for PulseAudio?
[12:50] <bioterror> hmmm
[12:51] <BjornW> PulseAudioVolumeControl == pavucontrol ;)
[12:52] <bioterror> BjornW, what if
[12:52] <bioterror> aplay -l
[12:52] <bioterror> you get listing
[12:53] <bioterror> and then alsamixer -c number
[12:53] <BjornW> yeah didn't work, since it can't connect to the Pulse Audio server
[12:54] <bioterror> I cant get any sound from my HTPC using HDMI :(
[12:54] <bioterror> I get only from analog
[12:55] <BjornW> bioterror: you probably need to set the default audio card to HDMI
[12:55] <bioterror> I've tried
[12:55] <bioterror> I even booted vanilla ubuntu and played with it
[12:55] <bioterror> maybe I'm forced to try windows :G
[18:20] <bioterror> nice
[18:20] <bioterror> daily 12.04 december 17
[18:20] <wxl> that's what yr running bioterror ?
[18:21] <bioterror> language crashes when you hit the installer, and continue borks
[18:21] <bioterror> when you hit "back" it will repair the "continue"
[18:21] <wxl> hah crazy
[18:21] <bioterror> wxl, if everything goes well, I'll be in ~10mins
[18:21] <wxl> i installed.. uhh.. yesterday? the day before?
[18:21] <wxl> didn't have a problem
[18:22] <wxl> but have in the recent past
[18:25] <wxl> ruh oh i don't think i filed a bug for that
[18:25] <bioterror> oh nice
[18:25] <bioterror> executing 'grub install /dev/sda failed."
[18:25] <bioterror> this is a fatal error.
[18:27] <wxl> wow nuts
[18:27] <wxl> try yesterdays
[18:28] <wxl> i'm ON precise right now
[18:28] <bioterror> :D
[18:28] <bioterror> let's have a boot
[18:31] <bioterror> did not go as well as I thought
[18:33] <bioterror> maybe it did not like brtfs
[18:36] <wxl> um
[18:36] <wxl> possible
[18:36] <bioterror> trying my favourite jfs now ;)
[18:42] <bioterror> and grub went in
[18:42] <bioterror> nice
[18:50] <bioterror> lightdm is the crappiest piece of crap I've ever seen
[18:50] <bioterror> honestly
[18:51] <bioterror> no packages to be upgraded and it just does not start
[18:51] <bioterror> keeps flashing on and off
[19:05] <wxl> oh i had that problem
[19:05] <wxl> fixed in the latest tho
[19:05] <wxl> i don't know why the hell you're seeing that issue
[19:05] <wxl> that is because of unity-greeter crashing (yeah, right?)
[19:05] <bioterror> nope
[19:06] <wxl> what you got in your log?
[19:06] <bioterror> nothing :D
[19:06] <bioterror> I'm trying to startx
[19:06] <wxl> baaah
[19:07] <wxl> and it looks like it's going to load the dm, then poops out to framebuffer, then dm, framebuffer, etc. ad infinitum
[19:07] <bioterror> no errors no warnings
[19:07] <wxl> ?
[19:07] <bioterror> yes
[19:07] <bioterror> but fb should not be used with KMS?
[19:07] <wxl> tail /var/log/syslog
[19:08] <bioterror> mhmmm
[19:08] <bioterror> I'mm start lightdm and ssh into this
[19:08] <wxl> you could also just boot into recovery and see it that way
[19:09] <wxl> not sure why this doesn't show fixed as it is but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/899742
[19:10] <wxl> just fyi here's what i've been successful with
[19:10] <wxl> $ cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[19:10] <wxl> Lubuntu 12.04 "Precise Pangolin" - Alpha i386 (20111214)
[19:11] <wxl> so i guess it's actually 3 days old
[19:11] <wxl> hopefully there's not a regression
[19:12] <bioterror> yes, my dmesg was full of unity-greeter
[19:12] <wxl> sounds like we may have a regression then
[19:13] <bioterror> why "startlubuntu" does not work :P
[19:17] <wxl> you should file a bug on unity-greeter
[19:18] <wxl> what is the output of /var/log/installer/media-info?
[19:18] <bioterror> I dunno, I made .xinitrc with "exec startlubuntu"
[19:18] <bioterror> :-)
[19:20] <wxl> i guess what i'm getting at is that this is similar to a bug we've already seen
[19:21] <wxl> that being said i don't think the problem is in anything except unity-greeter
[19:21] <wxl> and it sounds like we have a regression
[19:21] <bioterror> enabled proposes
[19:21] <wxl> unless your iso is <20111214
[19:21] <wxl> proposed never fixed it for me
[19:22] <wxl> we'll see
[19:22] <bioterror> nothing to upgrade
[19:26] <bioterror> this is actually easy to fix
[19:26] <bioterror> I'll add text to grub's default and update-grub ;)
[19:26] <bioterror> and once in a while I'll try to launch lightdm
[19:49] <bioterror> I hate this when I alt+f2 and that run does not get on top of everything
[19:49] <wxl> ditto
[19:54] <bioterror> chromium should use GTK theme by default
[19:57] <bioterror>     <layer>normal</layer>
[19:57] <bioterror>     # 'above', 'normal', or 'below'
[19:57] <bioterror> that could be it
[20:00] <bioterror> oh well, gmrun works out of the box
[21:17] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:18] <bioterror> I could configure my tty to startx when I log in
[21:29] <bioterror> wxl, now I'll never need lightdm in my life ;)
[22:42] <bioterror> wxl, are you there?
[22:53] <bioterror> what's this
[22:53] <bioterror> no AMD64 flashplugin?
[23:03] <wxl> bioterror: now
[23:03] <bioterror> what did I have in my mind
[23:03] <bioterror> I really should write them instantly
[23:03]  * wxl gets out his book of psychosis
[23:03] <bioterror> do you have "suspend" and stuff like that in your xfce4-power-manager?
[23:04] <wxl> don't have a battery
[23:05] <wxl> so the applet doesn't show anything
[23:05] <bioterror> okay
[23:06] <wxl> i do have hibernate in logout..
[23:06] <bioterror> hmmm
[23:07] <bioterror> I think I'm missing consolekit
[23:08] <bioterror> that was it ;)