[10:48] <shey> hi, can anyone comment on the stability if 12.04 at the moment? I'm planing to set up a small nfs file server and would like to skip directly to the lts
[10:49] <bazhang> shey, its alpha one
[10:50] <bazhang> so stability is not the key word here
[10:51] <shey> bazhang: true, but ubuntu is also a big distro, so stability is really a question of what you are doing with it.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> guys .. i have tried pangoling
[13:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> pangolin the precise one
[13:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> now.. a stupid dialog box "an error occurred blahblah blah  do you wanna report it whatever" keeper on appearing
[13:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> keept on appearing everytime ..
[13:36] <Gorilla_No_Baka>  any way to know what's wrong..? or at least to remove it>?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Gorilla_No_Baka, the blah blah part is imporatnt to know if ppl can help you
[13:43] <Gorilla_No_Baka> the important part was exactly saying.. "an error has occured" report it  cancel it
[13:43] <Gorilla_No_Baka> and the report it / cancel it  were actually the buttons
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Gorilla_No_Baka, is a lib mentioned or ?
[13:44] <Gorilla_No_Baka> no lib or whatsoever..
[13:45] <Gorilla_No_Baka> to me it seemed more like a generic message
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Gorilla_No_Baka, pastebin, so we can have a look
[13:46] <Gorilla_No_Baka> i should have taken a screen shot.. there was nothing to pastebin
[13:47] <BluesKaj> so this is at boot
[13:47] <Gorilla_No_Baka> other that the annoying message nothing.. fast.. fast install as well  5 minutes on my macbook pro's HD
[13:47] <Gorilla_No_Baka> nope it is noty at the boot
[13:47] <Gorilla_No_Baka>  everything is fine..
[13:47] <Gorilla_No_Baka> it boots .. it installs .. it even works
[13:48] <Gorilla_No_Baka> it;s just the stupid  generic message "an error has occured" that keeps on repeating and popping up
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Gorilla_No_Baka, so the apps all run ok , desktop is ok etc?
[13:56] <Gorilla_No_Baka> yup no probs
[13:57] <Gorilla_No_Baka> man this macirssi sucks balls.. if you dare to write more than one line (or the approved number of caracters  when you press enter nothing happens)
[13:57] <Gorilla_No_Baka> crap
[13:57] <Gorilla_No_Baka> the only problem i found was
[13:59] <Gorilla_No_Baka> BluesKaj:  the rtl 8187 driver
[14:00] <Gorilla_No_Baka> on mac osx and windows they work nice.. high speed (over 15 MB/S) on linux only 100 KB/s
[14:00] <Gorilla_No_Baka> if you guys could fix that that would be really lovely
[14:06] <BluesKaj> i'm not very knowledgeable about wifi , there are so many variables that could be the problem
[14:07] <BluesKaj> how is ssh over your network , Gorilla_No_Baka , is it as fast as mac?
[14:07] <Gorilla_No_Baka> thanks anyway
[14:07] <Gorilla_No_Baka> you mean using the rtl driver>?\
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:10] <Gorilla_No_Baka> never even tried it..  :)
[14:10] <Gorilla_No_Baka> i mucked the install up by writing a small script to get rid of unity and the additional bloatwere
[14:10] <Gorilla_No_Baka> :)
[14:11] <Gorilla_No_Baka> hence me using the retard macirssi
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ok , wondered why not just irssi
[14:11] <BluesKaj> I have a rt2870 driver module , that shows in NM as connected , but in reality it's not getting past the router
[14:12] <Gorilla_No_Baka> because i almost never use mac.. i have a small 40 GB partition where mac lies.. the rest is for linux.. now.. in order to install irssi on mac.. well you would have to compile it..
[14:13] <Gorilla_No_Baka> I could not been bovvered to do it.. for 1 hour i am gonna use it.. easier to download a precompiled dmg thing
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ok, new kernel version just installed , seems fine so far , except kde still has window size & position recall problems
[16:07] <gnomefreak> now bzr-notify is crashing
[16:10] <gnomefreak> anyone else seeing crashes upon login? i get 2-3 every time mostly its unity-
[16:10] <gnomefreak> *
[16:17]  * penguin42 got one today - but that was on an install last updated last week
[16:35] <gnomefreak> penguin42: what crashed on install?
[16:35] <penguin42> gnomefreak: No, wasn't during install - was just when I booted the machine today
[16:36] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[16:36]  * gnomefreak smoke
[16:39] <bjsnider> you should quit that crap
[16:43] <gnomefreak> yeah but i will die happy :)
[16:46] <pangolin> non smokers, pff
[16:46]  * penguin42 is just addicted to chocolate instead
[16:52] <bjsnider> you'll die wondering why did i do that thing that i did
[16:52] <pangolin> or wishing you had done more
[16:52] <pangolin> either way, you lose.
[16:56] <gnomefreak> :X
[16:56]  * gnomefreak forgetting something
[20:28] <alex_mayorga> upgrading to alpha1 as I type this, any last minute horror stories I should know and click "Cancel"?
[20:29] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Seen a few crash reports on Atoms
[20:30] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: no Atom here, this http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666002706#specifications
[20:30] <penguin42> ooh very blue
[20:31] <alex_mayorga> Looks more purple than blue really, but Sony seems to be color blind :-)
[20:33] <BluesKaj> looks blue on my plasma monitor , a slight tinge of red there
[20:42] <Daekdroom> It's neither purple nor blue.
[20:50] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, and what colour would you call it
[20:50] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:52] <Daekdroom> I have no idea.
[20:52] <bjsnider> that's purple
[20:53] <bjsnider> blue with a bit of red
[20:53] <Daekdroom> It's not purple. There's not enough red in it.
[20:53] <Daekdroom> But there's too much red for blue.
[20:54] <bjsnider> btw, BluesKaj, i read that panasonic plasmas have a flaw that makes the black levels decrease to to the point where even lcd blacks are blacker
[20:54] <Daekdroom> What about violet?
[20:54] <bjsnider> i think any red makes it a shade of purple
[20:54] <BluesKaj> the photo was probly enhanced with a red filter
[20:55] <BluesKaj> not this one , blacks are black , believe me
[20:55] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, ^
[20:56]  * penguin42 wonders if taking a picture of a Sony laptop with a Sony camera and displaying it on the Sony laptop looks like the laptop
[20:56] <penguin42> (or with the laptops webcam if it has one?)
[20:57] <BluesKaj> I also have a an dell lcd 37" tv in our bedroom , the blacks are not black , very dark grey , but it's an older tv now so whoknows
[20:58] <alex_mayorga> I'm past the "Cancel" button guys, but thanks on the helpful discussion about colors ;-)
[20:58] <bjsnider> the blacks aren't black on my sony lcd
[20:58] <Daekdroom> The only thing bothering me right now about precise is the on-screen accessibility keyboard on the locked screen asking for password.
[20:59] <Daekdroom> and the impossibility of installing wine on x64 too.
[20:59] <bjsnider> alex_mayorga, bugabundo bought one of those vaio laptops a few weeks ago and took it back because it didn't work well with ubuntu
[20:59] <bjsnider> he's not here at the moment
[21:11] <_calum> I wish to help by testing 12.04. I'm using a VM. I experienced an installer crash, ubi-language exited with code 1, is this known?
[21:15] <_calum> how do I report a crash?
[21:16] <penguin42> _calum: Run ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[21:16] <penguin42> _calum: ubiquity is the installer
[21:16] <_calum> how do I do that?
[21:16] <penguin42> when it crashed what state did it leave you in?  Can you start a terminal?
[21:17] <_calum> I initialised the virtual machine from the iso. It got to the install screen then the message popped up and it froze when I pressed continue
[21:18] <penguin42> ok, is it repeatable?
[21:19] <_calum> it said if you continue the install may be broken or fail. I tried it twice
[21:20] <_calum> Am running off the livecd due to the install issue
[21:20] <penguin42> ok, when you put the CD in it gives you a choice of install or use, what happens if you tell it not to install, then it boots the desktop ?
[21:20] <penguin42> ok, and now if you start the installer from there?
[21:20] <_calum> yes it boots to the live desktop
[21:20] <_calum> I'll test that
[21:21] <penguin42> _calum: Then if it hangs, open a terminal, and in that terminal type ubuntu-bug ubiquity  - it'll be able to send the install logs to the bug report system (launchpad)
[21:22] <_calum> same message, ubi language failed with code 1 check syslog etc
[21:22] <_calum> ok
[21:24] <_calum> ahh I don't have a launchpad account
[21:24] <_calum> do I need one?
[21:25] <htorque> hello, everyone! do you have an idea how i would alter lightdm's dconf keys? i tried it using 'sudo -u lightdm gsettings set ...' but that failed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/773787/
[21:25] <penguin42> _calum: Yep, that way people can ask you for more details or tell you when it gets fixed
[21:25] <_calum> ahh ok thanks, I'll create one
[22:23] <Bublik2002> how is the stability of 12.04 alpha 1 compared to 11.10?
[22:26] <guntbert> Bublik2002: it is less per definition already - alpha vs release
[22:27] <Bublik2002> i have a dell e6410 laptop and for some reason a lot of the time it freezes when i try to wake it from suspend... yet it runs perfectly if i run fedora 16.... is it something to do with the updated kernel and do you think it would be better to update to 12.04 alpha 1?
[22:27] <guntbert> !crosspost | Bublik2002
[22:28] <Bublik2002> ok sorry.. thought it would be appropriate to ask in here as well because it concerns the new release
[22:28] <guntbert> Bublik2002: I have the alpha running only on a VM, I wouldn't install it on a production system ever
[22:29] <Bublik2002> ok... why do you think my laptop freezes on wakeup? could it have something to do with the kernel... i was having a similar issue in mint 12 but works perfectly in fedora 16
[22:31] <guntbert> Bublik2002: I don't know about fedora, but did you search the forums (or launchpad - bugtracker) for such issues? if it is a kernel problem it will certainly be mentioned somewhere
[22:31] <Bublik2002> because my dell e6410 is one of the certified laptops with ubuntu 11.10 32bit... could it be because i installed the 64bit version?
[22:31] <Bublik2002> guntbert i did a lot of searches and havent found any other posts on this issue
[22:32] <bazhang> it's just alpha one
[22:32] <Bublik2002> which is pretty odd because its a pretty popular laptop.... maybe i'm doing something wrong
[22:32] <bazhang> expect *tons* of issues
[22:32] <Bublik2002> no this is with 11.10
[22:33] <guntbert> Bublik2002: as I warn against running the current alpha I suggest you head back over to #ubuntu, maybe yu
[22:33] <guntbert> you find help there
[22:33] <bazhang> Bublik2002, you were asking 12.04 questions in the main channel, and 11.10 ones here?
[22:34] <Bublik2002> nobody was responding in the other channel :(
[22:34] <bazhang> Bublik2002, thats no reason to crosspost, esp. in the devel channel
[22:34] <Bublik2002> ok sorry
[22:37] <guntbert> Bublik2002: best you keep questions about  a released version well apart from those about a development version
[22:38] <Bublik2002> ok heres a development question.... are you planning to make a gnome shell version of 12.04? stock gnome-shell 3.2 instead of unity
[22:38] <bazhang> both will be available
[22:39] <Daekdroom> But Unity will be default.
[22:39] <bazhang> but a seperate version? no
[22:40] <Bublik2002> will it come in the ubuntu package or is it something i will have to install separately?
[22:40] <bazhang> Bublik2002, through the package manager, of course
[22:41] <Bublik2002> k thanks
[22:41] <bazhang> np
[22:42] <Bublik2002> why did you guys decide to go from banshee to rythmbox?
[22:44] <Daekdroom> Bublik2002, Banshee hasn't made the transition to GTK3 yet, and the opportunity to dish Mono