[16:30] <gaurav-parashar> Hello everyone!! 
[16:30] <gaurav-parashar> I am looking for local community of india. Is there any one here
[16:38] <serfus> gaurav-parashar, check #ubuntu-in 
[16:46] <gaurav-parashar> As i am going to organize an event on open source. http://inmantec.edu/os2012 and am looking for some sponsors. Can anyone help me in this regard.
[16:50] <serfus> something quite disturbing has been brought to my attention. it seems like in the ubuntu 11.10 install, israel does not exists, whereas in the same land there is "palestinian territory, occupied"
[16:50] <serfus> as the loco contact, i'm not sure what i'm supposed to think or do
[17:16] <JanC> serfus: let's see what i get when I try to install from the CD in a VM...
[17:18] <serfus> okay
[17:18] <JanC> serfus: where exactly do you see this?
[17:18] <serfus> you can find israel by typing, but not in the map
[17:18] <serfus> see those pics
[17:18] <serfus> http://www.inbarhovav.com/2011/12/blog-post_17.html
[17:19] <serfus> when asking where you are from at the installer
[17:19] <JanC> ah, so this happens if you try to click on the map?
[17:19] <serfus> yes
[17:20] <serfus> you can't get israel on the map
[17:20] <JanC> to be honest, I've had trouble to click on "Belgium" on that map too  ;)
[17:20] <JanC> I think a multi-level map is needed that zooms in to the region
[17:21] <JanC> so that you can click on the right country/timezone easily
[17:21] <serfus> on the previous releases, when clicking on that spot, you would have got tel aviv, israel or jerusalem, israel
[17:21] <serfus> someone did change this
[17:22] <JanC> that might be accidental; if there are only a couple of pixels available for so many countries...
[17:23] <serfus> sorry but an occupied territory is not a country, no matter how you look at it
[17:24] <serfus> someone did chose this, deliberately.
[17:24] <JanC> what is a country or not differs from the point of view of a certain person
[17:25] <JanC> and it might well be possible that just adding "palestinian territory, occupied" resulted in 2 "areas" (to not call it a country) ended up at the same pixel
[17:26] <serfus> it has nothing to do with a point of view, it's not subjective
[17:27] <serfus> this will cause a big fuss here
[17:27] <JanC> *everything* depends on somebodies PoV
[17:28] <serfus> and it certainly will not make my job any easier
[17:28] <JanC> and exactly because of that, I understand it could cause a big fuss  ;)
[17:29] <ashams> serfus, let's not jump through guesses by saying it's deliberately, I totally believe it's just another bug :)
[17:29] <ashams> do you mind to report it
[17:29] <JanC> ashams: right, like I said, it's very likely multiple places end up at the same pixel with a map this small
[17:30] <ashams> exactly, and I'd love a multi-level map too
[17:30] <JanC> and in general, people have internet access when they install, in which case GeoIP will provide the right country (no need to click the map)
[17:31] <JanC> and I could also blame the Netherlands, France & Germany for showing up when I click where about I think Belgium is  ;)
[17:32] <serfus> alright, i'll file a bug
[17:32] <serfus> i would have prefer not to
[17:32] <ashams> JanC,  some1 did it deliberately too? :P
[17:32] <JanC> ashams: if I'm not seriously mistaken, there was a multi-level map once
[17:33] <JanC> not sure why it disappeared
[17:33]  * ashams scratches his head
[17:33] <ashams> I hate when some1 changes something I already love
[17:33] <ashams> can this be called regression :P
[17:33] <JanC> ashams: certainly
[17:34] <JanC> especially if it causes actual problems
[17:34] <ashams> :D
[17:34] <JanC> like the one serfus sees
[17:34] <ashams> in case of serfus, it can :)
[17:36] <serfus> :)
[17:36] <serfus> i really hate it when politics get's in the way
[17:37] <JanC> serfus: which is one good reason to not assume political reasons in case of a bug  ;)
[17:38] <ashams> serfus, trust me it's not this time :)
[17:38] <serfus> i don't care about this as much as i am afraid others here will
[17:38] <serfus> and i don't want it to hurt ubuntu around here
[17:38] <JanC> serfus: right, and I understand your concerns
[17:39] <ashams> serfus, man, that red point is even larger than the country and the territory, how can you blame devels on this
[17:39] <serfus> this is why i preferred  handling this without a bug been filed
[17:39] <ashams> I can file it for you if you wish
[17:40] <serfus> i will, after it's filed it doesn't matter who did it
[17:40] <JanC> serfus: file a bug report, and the bug can document the problem (the real reason, not any imaginary political one) that you can then point to officially  ;)
[17:40] <serfus> well i hope so
[17:40] <ashams> me too :)
[17:41] <ashams> would you please give that link, so i can hit affects me too, to get it confirmed?....
[17:41] <ashams> me*
[17:52] <JanC> and I would be happy to add my Belgian complaint about clicking in the right spot to be impossible/too difficult  ;)
[17:54] <JanC> which I didn't file a bug report about yet because I considered it more of an inconvenience, but your case shows it can be a real problem
[17:59] <serfus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/905754
[17:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 905754 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Israel is not on the installer map (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:59] <serfus> here we go :)
[18:11] <JanC> serfus: commented  ☺
[18:15] <pleia2> serfus: thanks for filing that bug
[18:30] <JanC> pff, launchpad should have a better tag reference
[18:31] <ashams> omg, ubiquity has 1408 new bugs !!
[18:36] <JanC> I only see 1268 new bugs ;)
[18:36] <JanC> maybe triaging those bugs isn't easy...
[18:40] <ashams> JanC, maybe :))
[18:47] <JanC> ashams: I assume the installer touches lots of parts of the system, including hardware-specific oddities etc.
[19:06] <JanC> ashams: are you a ubiquity developer?
[19:31] <ashams> JanC, nope
[19:31] <ashams> sorry, wasn't here :(
[19:32] <ashams> and yes it touches many hw specific parts
[21:02] <serfus> sorry i was a bit jumpy earlier... it's just that i remember what happened after one of the mint devs posted a rather opposing blog regarding Israel..naturally i don't want to see it happen with ubuntu
[21:13] <JanC> serfus: the Israeli government does not help Israel to be liked, but that doesn't mean people dislike Israeli people overall--it's good to make difference between those two...  ;)
[21:19] <serfus> believe me, i have my share of objection to the government.... ;-) but i don't want to involve it with the loco
[21:19] <JanC> right, good point
[21:20] <serfus> after the mint incident people started to boycott mint
[21:21] <serfus> i didn't, and i don't think it was right
[21:21] <serfus> but that's what people did
[21:21] <JanC> serfus: was that blog post made by someone from the loco?  if so, can they update it to point to the bug report?  ;)
[21:21] <serfus> she did
[21:22] <JanC> ah, I see they did
[21:22] <JanC> right  ☺
[21:22] <JanC> cool
[21:22] <serfus> and even translated it
[21:24] <serfus> it's quite a popular blog, she promised that she will update it
[21:25] <JanC> serfus: feel free to ping me later if you think this bug gets neglected  ;)
[21:26] <JanC> serfus: or contact the loco council about it
[21:26] <serfus> i hope it will not
[21:26] <serfus> i guess now it's up to the installer team
[21:26] <JanC> well, sometiùes bugs get neglected because of lac of time or whatever  ;)
[21:26] <ashams> serfus, it's very normal that a big can take 2-8 months to get fix-released
[21:27] <serfus> ya i know
[21:27] <ashams> so if it took some time please be patient
[21:27] <serfus> i just hope something will happen with it before of the release
[21:27] <ashams> me too
[21:28] <serfus> anyways, good night folks
[21:28] <ashams> night
[21:28] <JanC> slaapwel, serfus  ☺
[22:28] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, hi
[23:24] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: see invote to council channel just heading to bed now 
[23:24] <czajkowski> will sort out access flags in the morning 
[23:24] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, oks... ty
[23:25] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, I response the email right now
[23:25] <czajkowski> grand 
[23:25] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: see invite to council channel 
[23:25] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, oks...
[23:25] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: do yu run a screen irc?