[00:16] <pythonirc1011> I've a machine that is working in a cloud. It has 10GB hard drive space. Is there a way I can clone it on the network, and convert it to a vdi file? (ubuntu LTS) -- I'd like to have this to and fro , so that i can back it up, and make changes remotely, then deploy.
[00:38] <pythonirc1011> Can someone explain how the setup works on this machine? fdisk -l output --> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/521935/ -- The machine works perfectly: Then why the error: Disk /dev/xvda1 doesn't contain a valid partition table ?
[00:46] <genii-around> pythonirc1011: Because it's possible for instance to do mkfs on a raw root device
[00:47] <pythonirc1011> genii-around: ?
[00:47] <pythonirc1011> so fdisk doesnt understand what kind of device it is ?
[00:48] <pythonirc1011> but mount tells me its ext3?
[00:48] <genii-around> pythonirc1011: eg: on an unpartitioned /dev/sda for instance, you can mkfs /dev/sda    ... it will have no partitions be be mountable
[00:48] <pythonirc1011> oh i see
[00:48] <genii-around> ( as oppsed to first making a partition sda1 and then mounting that )
[00:48] <pythonirc1011> how do you list from cylinder to what cylinder it spans?
[00:58] <pythonirc1011> genii-around: Thanks.
[01:00] <virusuy> howdy
[01:17] <pythonirc1011> if i have a ubuntu box running, and i've a raw disk of exactly the size of the ubuntu box (but this one is more upto date), is there a way to push the update image as an update on the running box?
[01:19] <qman__> you can clone it, if that's what you're asking, but you would overwrite all configuration and files
[01:19] <qman__> if you just want updated packages, and you haven't run apt-get clean, you can copy the deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives and then update, and it won't have to download anything
[01:19] <qman__> well, provided you have all the updates it needs
[01:21] <pythonirc1011> qman__: thanks
[01:23] <qman__> actually it would still have to download the package list, it'd just be able to skip all the package files you copied
[01:23] <pythonirc1011> qman__: i've a machine in the cloud, whats the easiest way to replicate it as a vm locally?
[01:23] <qman__> you could theoretically copy the package list too but I don't know where that is
[01:24] <pythonirc1011> I was thinking of creating a raw disk image of the machine...but thats problematic clearly
[01:24] <pythonirc1011> all config files will be broken
[01:24] <pythonirc1011> including fstab
[01:24] <qman__> no, cloning will only break a couple things
[01:24] <qman__> fstab if it's by uuid
[01:24] <qman__> and persistent network cards
[01:24] <pythonirc1011> thats it?
[01:24] <qman__>  /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net
[01:25] <qman__> I might be forgetting something, but yeah
[01:25] <pythonirc1011> device drivers would be different , isnt it?
[01:25] <qman__> if they don't ever have to communicate on the same network, duplicate hostname and IP is fine
[01:25] <qman__> drivers are all included in the kernel and modules
[01:25] <qman__> the only time that would come into play is if you had to do something non-default to get your hardware to work
[01:27] <qman__> just make up an archive of the handful of files you need to change for your non-production version
[01:27] <qman__> then you can image, and unpack those configs over the image
[01:27] <pythonirc1011> how do you fix this when you cant even boot? tell grub or boot loader to boot in single user mode? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/521953/
[01:28] <pythonirc1011> thats what i was hoping to do, but have never done such a thing...
[01:28] <qman__> well, your disk doesn't have a valid partition table
[01:28] <pythonirc1011> am mainly worried about the hard drive part
[01:28] <qman__> virtual to hardware may be the issue you're seeing
[01:28] <pythonirc1011> indeed, and i've no clue how it will work when i move it into a vm
[01:28] <qman__> in that case, copy the filesystem, or all files on the filesystem instead
[01:29] <qman__> other way around that is to use the same VM software on both ends
[01:29] <pythonirc1011> thats the problem -- the cloud people wont give me their vm -- i am on a cheap plan
[01:30] <qman__> which has the additional benefit of being in a nice image file to begin with
[01:30] <pythonirc1011> but i do have bandwidth, so i can copy the entire drive
[01:30] <qman__> I'd rsync with exceptions then
[01:30] <qman__> like /proc and whatnot
[01:30] <patdk-lap> rsync with the -x flag, single filesystem
[01:31] <patdk-lap> that is what I normally do so I don't need craploads of exceptions
[01:31] <qman__> yeah
[01:31] <patdk-lap> I think it's -x atleast :)
[01:32] <qman__> I don't use it enough to know
[01:32] <qman__> but I do know it's up to the job
[01:32] <pythonirc1011> ok, i've machine A -- and B (blank machine) -- you install ubuntu same version on B, then run rsync A B ? that'll break B?
[01:33] <qman__> basically, but it'd work better like this
[01:33] <qman__> you rsync single filesystem and add exceptions for fstab, 70-persistent-net, /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname
[01:33] <qman__> and you boot a live disc on host B first
[01:34] <qman__> or any other method, just to give you access to the non-running host b
[01:35] <pythonirc1011> i see
[01:36] <pythonirc1011> sounds not that trivial. Hasnt someone written a script to do this already?
[01:36] <qman__> you may run into other files that are better to skip too, but that's the basic idea
[01:36] <pythonirc1011> A --> clone over network to B?
[01:36] <qman__> it's a one-line rsync
[01:36] <qman__> you can probably find it on google, but a script is overcomplicating it
[01:38] <pythonirc1011> indeed it should be , except the list of config files
[01:39] <pythonirc1011> in my case , "A" is heavily configured already. so even a install on B will be very different than A
[01:47] <qman__> but that's my point, the list of config files is short and pretty much standard as long as you're using the same release
[01:47] <qman__> it's reasonably hardware agnostic, by design
[01:48] <pythonirc1011> qman__: where can i find the list?
[01:48] <pythonirc1011> and perhaps i will have to reconfigure those files on B -- overwrite them or not copy them - eitherways.
[03:06] <gateSmalls> hello i need help getting a mac book pro 15.5 in laptop to boot to an ex tunnel drive (1tb) with ubuntu server 11.10 64bit using eather a usb or a firewire port
[03:08] <gateSmalls> hello??   <.<?     ?>.>
[04:30] <Zanzacar> I am looking for some advice on software. I am trying to find something to keep track of my project and clients and everything
[04:31] <Zanzacar> does anyone know of any software that would be good for doing this? I thought a database would work out great but I dont know what software to use and kind of lost on that frunt.
[04:33] <Zanzacar> I guess I will start off checking out libre-base and see where that gets me.
[10:46] <shey> hi, has anyone made any experiance running an ubuntu server with btrfs and can offer some general advice?
[11:25] <smw> shey, ask you question
[11:26] <shey> smw: i did
[11:27] <smw> shey, I don't see a real question :-P
[11:27] <smw> shey, is it a production system? If so, don't use btrfs
[11:27] <smw> shey, if it isn't... what type of advice are you looking for?
[11:28] <smw> I use it for my home fileserver
[11:28] <shey> smw: its a nas device for my home, it's not for storing really important things
[11:28] <shey> mainly nfs sharing
[11:28] <shey> i just want to avoid using dmraid and converting it later
[11:29] <shey> smw: have you encountered any problems along the way?
[11:29] <smw> shey, nope, it just works
[11:30] <Nafallo> well, there is no working fsck for it, so it has potential to be unfixably broken.
[11:32] <shey> Nafallo: i'll roll with the fact that it will be available before my fs breaks then :p
[11:32] <Nafallo> heh
[11:32] <shey> smw: are you on 12.04 by any chance?
[11:33] <smw> shey, no
[12:58] <samba35> i have ubuntu server 10.04 ,how do i wake-up a system over internet
[13:06] <patdk-lap> normally you have to use another system that has local lan access to it, to send the wol packet
[13:09] <samba35> ok
[13:09] <samba35> thanks
[13:10] <samba35> patdk-lap, do u have any idea on kvm networking
[13:12] <patdk-lap> sure, its the same as non-kvm networking
[13:12] <samba35> i try but i am not able to configure guest for networking
[13:13] <samba35> or rather i am confused in using mode of network
[14:53] <edgy> hallyn: hi
[16:09] <Sna4x8> I'm using Kerberos/NFS4.  I keep seeing this in my syslog: RPC: AUTH_GSS upcall timed out.  It appears infrequently - generally after a client mounts a share and does their first write.  Often times the first time a client tries to write to a file, it takes approximately 30-45 seconds (I'm not sure if the two problems are related).
[17:09] <randallz> What are some of the places to look if ssh connections on a local virtual machine are refused?
[17:10] <randallz> ufw status \ Status: inactive
[17:11] <randallz> ps -ef | grep sshd \ root … /usr/bin/sshd -D
[17:13] <randallz> ifconfig \ eth0adn eth1 look fine. However using the terminal in the host machine I can neither connect to eth0 nor eth1. I am using VirtualBox and eth0 is using NAT, while eth1 is connected to "host-only" network. I cannot ssh to either IP.
[17:20] <randallz> eth1
[17:37] <edgy> randallz: what's the error you get?
[17:39] <randallz> edgy: http://pastebin.com/HdvFYk0i
[17:40] <randallz> I am trying to connect to eth1 on a virtual box machine that has "host-only" connected to eth1
[17:40] <edgy> randallz: please paste the output of ifconfig
[17:42] <randallz> edgy this is the guest http://i.imgur.com/C5DkR.png
[17:43] <edgy> randallz: what's the output of iptables -nL
[17:45] <edgy> randallz: you are trying to connect from the guest to the guest?
[17:46] <randallz> I am trying to connect from the host to guest, but I cannot connect from guest to guest either
[17:47] <randallz> iptables -nL for INPUT, FORWARD, and PUTPUT is empty
[17:48] <randallz> ufw status is "Status: inactive" though so I think it shouldn't block anything
[17:48] <randallz> nmap from the host gives me "All 1000 scanned ports on 10.0.1.33 are filtered (502) or closed (498)"
[17:53] <edgy> randallz: I am not familiar with virtualbox but i think host only would only allow you to connect from guest to host not vice versa
[17:53] <edgy> randallz: try nmap from guest to itself
[17:54] <edgy> randallz: also paste netstat output and see is it really listening on that ip
[18:00] <randallz> edgy: http://i.imgur.com/tF5ZV.png <-- netstat
[18:00] <edgy> randallz: paste the output of netstat -tunap
[18:01] <randallz> edgy http://i.imgur.com/7QDOm.png nmap localhost
[18:03] <edgy> randallz: no, not nmap localhost, paste nmap 10.0.1.133
[18:03] <edgy> randallz: no, not nmap localhost, paste nmap 10.0.1.33
[18:03] <randallz> edgy: http://imgur.com/WCq0V netstat -tunap
[18:04] <randallz> edgy: http://i.imgur.com/Y1H6R.png nmap 10.0.1.33 (from the guest)
[18:04] <randallz> edgy: it looks like the problem is in the Virtualbox interface to the guest
[18:05] <edgy> randallz: did you try to restart sshd?
[18:06] <edgy> randallz: or even better stop it and run it manually in the foreground with ssh -d
[18:07] <Zanzacar> Does anyone have any experience with project-open? I was just looking for opinions on it and everything.
[18:09] <randallz> edgy: it gives the same "All 1000 scanned ports on 10.0.1.33 are filtered (502) or closed (498)"
[18:11] <randallz> edgy:  doing nmap 10.0.1.33 from the guest was good, since I think it points to a problem in the vbox virtual network
[18:12] <edgy> randallz: mostly
[18:12] <edgy> randallz: i guess it's better to ask in #vbox
[18:17] <randallz> edgy:  It's been a great development environment before to use ubuntu server in a guest. There may be a problem with trying to use 10.0.x.x rather than 192.168.56.x, but in the past I had difficulty when working at different locations and the possibility of an IP conflict. I am using a Mac rather than a PC, as before, and there may be something strange in the different implementation. However, being able to ping the eth1 interface
[18:17] <randallz> the host says the host can at least find the guest's eth1. It is strange that it is refusing the connection though. I don't think that I am doing anything particularly exotic. Anyway, thanks a lot for the help.
[18:40] <edgy> randallz: you are welcome, but why not try kvm?
[18:44] <randallz> edgy: wouldn't that require a linux kernel rather than XNU?
[18:45] <edgy> randallz: ah! I didn't notice you are working in a Mac
[18:45] <MattJ> I couldn't find a relevant place for discussion of cloud-init development... is here a good place? (*looks in smoser's direction*)
[18:45] <edgy> randallz: I would rather trash it and install linux ;)
[18:49] <randallz> edgy: I wish that os x would run as a guest more easily. The latest does include some pretty nice interface conveniences though
[18:50] <randallz> edgy: I might also choose Xen since the production machine is on linode
[18:51] <randallz> edgy: being able to create a machine that I can use on xbox in linux, windows, and mac is pretty convenient though
[18:51] <edgy> yes
[19:40] <allowoverride> hi