[00:50] <BarkingFish> Riddell: just to let you know, I'm still unable to update the 4.7.4 testing table in the wiki, so I'll have another shot tomorrow at some point - i figure something must be pretty wrong right now.
[03:43] <Sput> apachelogger: it has started to grow that a while ago
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[13:54] <bulldog98_> Riddell: jovie needs to replace kmouth 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1, because /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/female.png is in both packages
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[13:54] <Riddell> bulldog98: well spotted
[16:40] <KRF> i'm trying to debug a quite low-level issue wrt Qt libraries. in kubuntu 11.04 Qt libraries seem to be built without -Bsymbolic-function whereas in 11.10 they are. so my question is: what's causing the different behavior between those two versions? global ld flags, package ld flags?
[16:41] <KRF> i don't seem to find a hint
[17:08] <Riddell> KRF: I'm afraid I don't know, see if 11.04 package built on 11.10 has it
[17:09] <Riddell> else it's something in the packaging
[17:17] <KRF> Riddell: i think i found it: possibly the behavior was changed due to that patch in debian/
[17:17] <KRF>   72   [ Felix Geyer ]
[17:17] <KRF>   73   * Use DEB_*_MAINT_APPEND instead of setting CXXFLAGS and LDFLAGS.
[17:18] <KRF> i am comparing https://launchpadlibrarian.net/81532169/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.qt4-x11_4%3A4.7.4-0ubuntu8_BUILDING.txt.gz and  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79473336/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.qt4-x11_4%3A4.7.2-0ubuntu6.3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:18] <KRF> the latter uses -Bsymbolic-functions
[17:19] <Riddell> that's in 12.04
[18:15] <KRF> Riddell: the issues is, with -Bsymbolic-functions all functions are bound to the library's implementation. Qt, however, specifices dynamic-list files. Ubuntu doesn't seem to use them. the real issue is that you're not passing  -reduce-relocations to Qt's configure which enables passing --dynamic-list options to the linker flag.
[18:16] <KRF> (assuming you know about all this internal stuff) ;)
[18:16] <KRF> worth a bug report?
[18:16] <KRF> it basically breaks preloading in certain scenarious
[18:29] <Riddell> KRF: sure file a bug report
[18:30] <Riddell> I'll get to it next year sometime :)
[18:55] <KRF> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/906014 - thanks
[18:55] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 906014 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Qt built with -Bsymbolic-functions, not using -reduce-relocations from configure" [Undecided,New]
[18:55] <KRF> no version specified since this is broken for multiple releases
[19:01] <ScottK> fabo: ^^^ ?
[19:59] <yofel> Riddell: another overwrite:
[19:59] <yofel> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kmag_4%3a4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[19:59] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/window.png', which is also in package kmousetool 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu1
[20:10] <Riddell> ack
[20:18] <yofel> hm, I have 0 activities after update
[20:20] <yofel> Riddell: plasma-desktop should depend on kactivities
[20:27] <yofel> o.O
[20:27] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/devn.png
[20:57] <Riddell> yofel: doesn't it do that with shlibs?
[20:58] <Riddell> mm, something broke there
[20:58] <yofel> nope
[20:58] <yofel> even funnier, I installed kactivities - but I don't have libkactivities6 installed o.O
[20:58] <Riddell> yofel: oh that's the .so wrongly in the -data package, it's on my todo
[20:59] <yofel> ah, ok then ^^
[20:59] <Riddell> yofel: kactivities as a package is obsolete, it's called libkactivities-bin now
[21:00] <yofel> doesn't exist
[21:00] <yofel> and according to dpkg 'kactivities' contains kactivitymanagerd and the plugins
[21:04] <Riddell> hmm, guess that's on the todo as well then
[21:46] <Riddell> yofel: hmm maybe this is troublesome debian/patches/plasma_desktop_shell_drop_kactivities.diff
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[22:09] <yofel> yeah, probably that
[22:19] <Darkwing> I think we should talk about what translations to include on a % bases as outlined in bug #904351
[22:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 904351 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Precise) "kubuntu-docs contains many incomplete translations" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904351
[22:21] <Riddell> hmm, 
[22:21] <Riddell> I can't think of a good answer right now
[22:22] <Darkwing> No, I can't either but, I could see the frustration of it.
[22:25] <Riddell> ask on the ubuntu-translators list?
[22:27] <Darkwing> Yeah, I'll do that.
[22:27] <Darkwing> Have a couple of job interviews in Las Vegas :D