[20:57] <astraljava> NetworkManager is so dumb. If the router resets, it won't re-establish the connection. Now I recall why I didn't have problems with my Studio box, cause I removed it and set it statically in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:58] <micahg> astraljava: that would be a bug, please file one
[21:02] <astraljava> micahg: Yep, and it's only on a wired connection. Wireless works fine.
[21:04] <micahg> astraljava: these are the types of things we want fixed for 12.04
[21:05] <micahg> astraljava: if you could get cyphermox a reproducible test case, that would be great
[21:10] <astraljava> micahg: Will talk to h[im|er].
[21:35] <len> astraljava: I did the same thing on my desktop. I would not have noticed that NM wasn't working if it wasn't for my netbook.
[21:37] <len> I would guess that NM would be fine for a static connection even with a router reset. It is the DHCP stuff that gets fouled. How does the wireless stuff realize the connect has gone south?
[21:40] <len> I think that is a part of the wireless card driver. The eth drivers don't have that because they expect dhcpcd to handle that, but that one just waits till the contract time is up and reapplies. It would need to ping something once in a while to see if the router is still there.
[21:44] <len> It is interesting that I put my desktop machine together for music. and the netbook was for everything else. However, I have been using the netbook for testing the isos with a 40Gusb drive because it is convenient and I am getting ideas how a portable computer like that might be very useful for music too even though the sound card is not too good.
[21:46] <len> Part of the problem with that is pulse audio doesn't seem to set up right. The mic sounds really bad, but I think a lot of that is that pulse has chosen to set up the mic gain for capture level instead of the input level.
[21:47] <len> So the preamp is at full (noisy, noisy) and the attenuator is set low. I will look at this more fully on my next test install as that would be a bug.
[21:48] <micahg> len: like I said these are the small things that we should get fixed for 12.04, and hi BTW :)
[21:49] <len> Hi. Yeah, that is why I am trying to test often and as many things as I can.
[21:50] <len> The apt stuff has problems with the usb stick install too. If I want to add something like the plugin meta after install. Apt can't find the usb stick... it just keeps saying put the install cd in... even though I originally installed with the stick.
[21:50] <len> Anyway, gotta eat... Buy now.
[21:50] <micahg> please file a bug :)
[21:51] <len> Aye.
[22:10] <astraljava> I'm not buying.
[22:31] <knome> astraljava, this is not an auctioning channel
[22:55] <astraljava> Well, tell that to len.
[22:57] <knome> len() of what?
[22:58] <astraljava> man len
[22:58] <knome> nel, nam?
[23:00] <astraljava> Nelli is pretty nam, yeah, but what's that got to do with anything?
[23:01] <knome> http://www.nelliportaali.fi/V is eww
[23:01] <astraljava> Thanks for the warning, I'll pass.
[23:01] <knome> well it's a shared library search.
[23:02] <knome> had to use that at AMK :(
[23:03] <astraljava> That's not yum. But it's not eww either. You tricked me! Naughty!
[23:03] <knome> hah
[23:04] <knome> well apt is not yum either, so why would amk be?
[23:04] <astraljava> Granted, you have a point there.