[16:01] <reducks> anyone here
[16:08] <holstein> reducks: o/
[16:09] <reducks> 11.04 install issue
[16:09] <reducks> fails at installing software packages
[16:09] <reducks> even with 0 checked
[16:09] <reducks> md5 sum is correct
[16:09] <holstein> reducks: do 11.10 or 10.04
[16:09] <holstein> no reason to install 11.04
[16:10] <holstein> not sure what issue you are having
[16:10] <reducks> 11.10 is xfce
[16:10] <reducks> doent not want
[16:10] <holstein> 10.04 is not
[16:10] <holstein> you can always install normal ubuntu and add metapackages
[16:10] <reducks> 10.04 is giving me usb install issues
[16:10] <holstein> or just install whatever you want
[16:10] <holstein> JACK, ardour... etc..
[16:10] <reducks> well i want 11.04 like i had previously
[16:10] <reducks> :P
[16:11] <holstein> you can install whatever DE you want in 11.10
[16:11] <holstein> gnome3
[16:11] <holstein> mate... whatever
[16:11] <reducks> ^_^
[16:11] <holstein> reducks: theres a log during the install, you can create a webserver on the machine that is failing
[16:11] <holstein> and you will see whatever is causing 11.04 to fail
[16:12] <holstein> however, that will lead you to filing a bug
[16:12] <holstein> and no one will care
[16:12] <holstein> which is why i suggest moving on
[16:12] <holstein> even consider installing 12.04 from a daily
[16:12] <holstein> or alpha
[16:12] <reducks> 12.04?
[16:12] <holstein> reducks: the upcoming release?
[16:12] <holstein> the next one?
[16:12] <holstein> 12.04
[16:13] <reducks> yeah is it worth it/.
[16:13] <reducks> ?
[16:13] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/current/
[16:13] <holstein> reducks: i dont know
[16:13] <holstein> im running 10.04
[16:14] <holstein> and i dont plan on running anything but the next LTS (12.04) on my studio machine
[16:14] <holstein> but, there is *no* reason to run 11.04
[16:14] <reducks> yeah not sure i fancy running an alpha
[16:14] <holstein> you *can* get it running im sure
[16:14] <reducks> i want it to look like it used to before i upgraded to 11.10
[16:15] <holstein> the easy way would be, download normal ubuntu 11.04 and convert it, or add whatever packages you want/need
[16:15] <holstein> reducks: thats over
[16:15] <holstein> gnome2 is dead
[16:15] <holstein> ubuntu is doing what it always has
[16:15] <holstein> provide you with the latest version of gnome
[16:15] <reducks> mkay
[16:15] <holstein> which is gnome3
[16:15] <holstein> gnome3 and unity look a lot alike
[16:15] <reducks> i know
[16:16] <reducks> ive got mint on this machine
[16:16] <holstein> if you want gnome2, there is a project called mate
[16:16] <holstein> that is available in mint12
[16:16] <reducks> ^^
[16:16] <reducks> im running it atm
[16:16] <holstein> ALSO, all the ubuntustudio stuff is availalbe in mint12
[16:16] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[16:16] <holstein> mint is based on ubuntu, and uses the same repos, with custom pinned repos of their own
[16:19] <holstein> from mine... apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[16:20] <holstein> for example
[16:20] <holstein> or just search ubuntustudio in whatever package manager you use
[16:20] <holstein> i personally didnt find mate acceptable
[16:20] <reducks> im not sure i like gnome3 or unity though
[16:21] <reducks> its not as efficient for me to use
[16:21] <holstein> yup, im not using them either
[16:21] <reducks> what are you using?
[16:21] <holstein> openbox right now
[16:21] <holstein> for a few weeks
[16:22] <holstein> i find XFCE an acceptable gnome2 replacement though
[16:22] <holstein> more so than mate
[16:22] <reducks> yeah it just looks like a four year old drew it into the OS though
[16:22] <reducks> i suppose function over design
[16:22] <holstein> lol
[16:22] <holstein> thats what gnome2 looks like ;)
[16:23] <reducks> i guess it's just what im used to
[16:23] <holstein> you can theme it up anyways..
[16:23] <reducks> i only made the switch to linux at gnome 2
[16:23] <reducks> who 'likes' change afterall
[16:23] <holstein> to depends
[16:24] <holstein> we'll all like ardour3
[16:24] <holstein> and the newer firefoxes are faster
[16:24] <holstein> just sux that it all happened at once
[16:24] <holstein> unity and gnome3
[16:24] <holstein> but, its all open
[16:25] <holstein> you can run gnome2 if you want to deal with it
[16:25] <reducks> are they going to be releasing a ll kernel ?
[16:25] <holstein> reducks: they?
[16:25] <holstein> you mean are we?
[16:25] <holstein> depends
[16:25] <reducks> ^
[16:25] <holstein> we are still working on it
[16:25] <holstein> i would like to have it in 12.04
[16:25] <reducks> are you a developer ?
[16:25] <holstein> and then let it go
[16:25] <reducks> o_X
[16:25] <holstein> reducks: im a contributor and community member
[16:26] <reducks> ah cool
[16:26] <reducks> well
[16:26] <reducks> i guess i'm going to have to bite the bullet and go for 11.10 and change it up a bit
[16:26] <reducks> thanks alot for your help anyhow
[16:26] <holstein> sure
[16:26] <holstein> or just install into mint
[16:26] <reducks> its very much appreciated
[16:26] <holstein> or change stock 11.04
[16:26] <holstein> or try 12.04
[16:26] <holstein> or build your own
[16:26] <reducks> i only use mint at home
[16:26] <reducks> :)
[16:27] <holstein> its all open... there are always options
[16:27] <reducks> just out of interest what are the changes in 12.04?
[16:27] <holstein> kernel
[16:27] <holstein> proper themes
[16:27] <holstein> updated packages of course
[16:28] <holstein> hopefully a proper xfce implementation
[16:28] <reducks> decisions decisions
[16:28] <reducks> i think im going to have to put a bouncer in here
[16:29] <holstein> bouncer?.. where?
[16:30] <reducks> irc bouncer
[16:30] <reducks> :)
[16:30] <reducks> its been much quicker than looking at forums
[16:31] <holstein> sometimes... if you are patient
[16:31] <holstein> i miss a lot of questions here
[16:31] <holstein> i try and follow up with everyone who is still connected
[16:32] <holstein> anyways.. i gotta get to work
[16:32] <holstein> brunch concert :)
[16:32] <reducks> ciao
[16:32] <reducks> :)