[00:10] <Tech-1> EvilResistance:  why dont you start being decent and not try to be the internet police, ever since you logged on, you have been nothing but bossy and intervening, grow up.
[00:26] <jjman6> how can i run a shell script and force it to install on 64bit (its meant for 32bit)
[00:33] <frogonwheels> jjman6: you  mean you have an installer shell script for a program  rather than a proper installer?
[00:33] <frogonwheels> *proper package (.deb) is what I meant.
[00:33] <jjman6> frogonwheels: yes, i have an install script that wants to be in 32bit but i'm running 64bit so iwanna force it to install
[00:34] <jjman6> i know it will run on 64bit as others have run it.  i just don't know how to force the install
[00:34] <jjman6> i don't have a package
[00:35] <jjman6> i know i could use -force-all if it were a pkg but its not
[00:35] <Snowhog> jjman6: Do you have ia32-libs installed?
[00:35] <jjman6> not sure.  perhaps not  ;-|
[00:35] <jjman6> will that allow the install to go through if i do?
[00:37] <jjman6> i know i can run 32bit Wine
[00:38] <jjman6> ia32-libs are already installed
[00:38] <Snowhog> jjman6: It permits the running (at least) of 32-bit apps on a 64-bit linux system. However, if the script, as I suspect, is expecting the file system structure of a 32-bit system, it still might not install if it can't find the directories it expects.
[00:39] <jjman6> hmmm.  i've read of other ppl running this app (its a game btw) fine in 64bit.  so there must be a way around the 32bit install barrier.  i already had the ia32-libs installed
[01:03] <jjman6> Snowhog: i think i figured out a way.  linux32 bash scriptname let me install it.  i had to modify the script to point the proper 32bit libs but its installed now.
[02:06] <Snowhog> jjman6: Cool. Glas you got it done.
[02:47] <bodoh> hallo .. how to install java plugin for mozilla?
[02:47] <bodoh> this thing is getting more and more esoteric after Oracle take it over
[02:48] <bodoh> sooner or later we have to pay for that .. thanks Larry .. the greedy Steve Job friend
[02:52] <bodoh> steve jobs .. arabo .. satan .. larry oracle ... same shit
[05:04] <OrdosTrinitus__> anyone out there awake?
[05:24] <w30> What application should I use to install KDE themes that I downloaded from kde-themes.org?
[06:07] <bdizzle1> hi, quick qeustion, where can I get help on using Wine?
[06:08] <bdizzle1> nevermind, got it
[08:26] <davi> how i can help?
[08:31] <Guillem> I've installed kubuntu-desktop from fresh ubuntu install. Muon (Software updates) does not install packages: "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided". Any way to fix this?
[08:37] <ikonia> what operation ?
[08:39] <Guillem> ikonia, it is muon-updater; when trying to update packages. I've googled a bit and I've seen that doing "kdesudo muon" or "kdesudo muon-updater" works. However, gnome's update-manager does not require sudo nowadays.
[08:40] <Guillem> Problem is that you get an icon at the system-tray, you click it and you cannot progress. You have to either use update-manager (gnome's) or kdesudo muon-updater
[08:56] <ikonia> Guillem: gnomes update manager does require sudo
[08:58] <Guillem> ikonia, I cannot check it since I'm updated now. But I recall it does not in this last 11.10. And at previous versions it prompted for sudo password....
[08:58] <ikonia> Guillem: it does require sudo privileges
[08:59] <ikonia> Guillem: no package may be installed without root privileges
[08:59] <Guillem> ikonia, I'm it sudoers, but I'm pretty sure it does not ask for password... but OK, I'll recheck.
[08:59] <Guillem> in
[09:00] <ikonia> Guillem: it won't ask for a password if you already have an elevated privileges session active
[09:03] <Guillem> ikonia, I may be wrong, but since I installed 11.10 (and used unity/gnome3 messes for a while) I have the impression that sudo password is not required for upgrading packages. I cannot throughly check this at this moment but I will when new upgrades are available
[09:03] <ikonia> you are incorrect
[09:04] <Unit193> ikonia: Please see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/policykit-desktop-privileges/+changelog
[09:04] <ikonia> yes ?
[09:05] <Unit193> "* Allow local admins to update already installed software without password." I would assuem you could update without a password prompt
[09:05] <ikonia> correct,
[09:05] <ikonia> re-read what I said
[09:05] <ikonia> and what the change is
[09:05] <ikonia> "local admin"
[09:06] <ikonia> and "elevated privileges session"
[09:06] <ikonia> that doesn't mean sudo privileges are not required, it means they are applied to existing admin users/sessions
[09:07] <ikonia> the actual entering of the password isn't important, the fact that the sessions has elevated privileges is the key
[09:07] <Unit193> Aye, you just don't need to enter the password if your user has the privs (but not root)
[09:08] <ikonia> correctr
[09:08] <ikonia> correct even
[10:15] <new2net> arp -a ....  ? (192.168.2.3) at <incomplete> on eth0, How can that be?
[10:16] <Belial> new2net: Assuming its the same as a switch ro router, you sent an ARP request and it has yet to rec. a reply
[10:17] <new2net> i see...
[10:18] <new2net> i have no iptable rules set. I can't imagine why i cant talk w/ this other machine
[10:19] <Belial> Does it work from another on the same subnet?
[10:20] <new2net> good question
[10:23] <new2net> Belial, Maybe my machine is confused, the mac address used to be at ..2.3 but its at ..2.5
[10:27] <new2net> Belial, it was me who was confused; lease expired. Thank you for answering my question though about <incomplete>
[10:27] <Belial> Np :)
[10:34] <erik1397> hi
[10:35] <new2net> hi
[10:35] <new2net> that was a short visit
[11:40] <SteJay> Greetings all
[11:41] <SteJay> Having updated to Kubuntu 11.10 it seems that Kbluetooth4 is no longer there. I can't find a package for it in the ubuntu repositories - any suggestions of how I can get a graphical bluetooth manager for KDE on 11.10 (oneric)?
[11:46] <qbit> SteJay: not entirely sure but ou may be looking for the bluedevil package
[11:47] <qbit> SteJay: I think it brings in a kcm module into systemsettings
[11:51] <SteJay> thanks qbit - I did just spot that package and am installing it now...
[11:55] <SteJay> Woohoo, we're all clear kid (or "thanks qbit, all sorted" if that's your preference
[11:55] <SteJay> )
[11:56] <qbit> thanks for letting me know it works - eventually going to have to be getting around to that me own self
[12:03] <SteJay> No worries - point of note: For some reason updating to 11.10 also uninstalled Bluez so I had to install that too. Hope this helps :D
[12:37] <BluesKaj> hey all
[12:38] <SteJay> Hi BluesKaj :)
[12:39] <Peace-> BluesKaj: do you believe this is kde ? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/19/plasma-desktopm10377.jpg
[12:39] <Peace-> hahhaha
[12:39] <Peace-> omg
[12:40] <SteJay> I do cause of the plasma icon in the top right :P
[15:44] <Guillem_> I cannot combine file-drag-and-drop with "present windows". The drag-and-drop triggers "present windows" when I reach the activation corner, but it does not stop when I select a window where drop to.
[15:45] <Guillem_> If I recall correctly, this just works fine at OpenSuSE 11.4 (KDE 4.6?)
[16:10] <Guillem_> It works, however, when present-windows is used as window switcher (ALT+Tab)
[16:39] <tonymc> can encfs folder be mounted so that two users could see it and no one else (including root)?
[17:07] <Zippa_13> Hi
[17:07] <BarkingFish> hi Zippa_13 :)
[17:07] <BarkingFish> Anything we can help you with?
[17:17] <genii-around> BarkingFish: Apparently not...
[17:18] <BarkingFish> ah well.  They come, they go
[17:48] <Zippa> Hi
[17:49] <genii-around> Zippa: Hello. If you have some question about your Kubuntu, just ask the question to the channel, and someone may answer
[17:50] <Zippa> How do I download wallpaper from kubuntu, because I had only one
[18:31] <happie> hi anyone i am new here and wanted to get started in contributing in kde .any suggestios please!
[18:34] <baffone85> hello
[18:34] <baffone85> i have a problem with wireless key rt2501usb
[18:35] <DarthFrog> happie: Do you want to contribute to KDE or to Kubuntu?  Are you a programmer?
[18:35] <happie> i am currently pursuing my graduation and yes i want to contribute.
[18:36] <baffone85> it don't connect to network
[18:36] <happie> i know c/c++ and little bit php
[18:37] <DarthFrog> happie: Well, if it's KDE, then go to www.kde.org.  If it's Kubuntu, go to www.kubuntu.org.  Those sites will have links for prospective developers.
[18:37] <baffone85> it doesn't connect to network but network work
[18:37] <baffone85> which is problem?
[19:06] <genii-around> !contribute
[19:31] <ben_> I'm finding kubuntu rather buggy (11.10 x64), I keep getting notifications that there's updates available, opening the muon doesn't give me any indication where the updates are located, and googling "installing updates kubuntu" gives me a bunch of deprecated information
[19:31] <ben_> How do I install updates?
[19:31] <ben_> I think they should have held off on switching to muon until someone actually QAed it
[19:33] <ben_> I installed update manager, and it shows no updates, how do I get the notification to stop appearing in KDE?
[19:40] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[19:43] <BluesKaj> ben , best to just uninstall udate manager and enable your choice of repos in apper or muon then use apt-get to update/upgrade
[19:45] <DoctorPepper> can anyone please help me , i have a small problem with knetworkmanager. i have a mobile broadband account with no pin  when connecting  i get the configuration widget twice  than i connect but  i dont understand why ? because on fedora , gentoo  and arch  this never happended  under kde
[19:57] <BluesKaj> doctorpepper,, perhaps you have both ethernet and wifi setup to connect
[19:59] <doctorpepper> BluesKaj:  the problem is with 3g modem connection
[20:00] <BluesKaj> doctorpepper, well, that's out of my experience
[20:30] <ben_> it prompted me to enter a passphrase to encrypt my hoem dir, I entered a passphrase, it didn't ask me to type it a second time, and that terminal window is doing nothing (the terminal window has not froze, but the app inside it will not respond to control+c/control+z)
[20:31] <ben_> Did anyone actually test kubuntu 11.10 before releasing it?
[20:31] <BluesKaj> ben_, what prompted you to encrypt your /home dir ?
[20:32] <ben_> it was an option in the installer BluesKa
[20:32] <ben_> I would prefer that if my hard drive were to go outside of my physical control that a person would not be able to check my home dir contents
[20:33] <ben_> sorry if I seem bitchy, but this really is poor software quality
[20:34] <BluesKaj> I upgrade thru the 'net or I use an alternate install , never bother with encryption , this being a home pc
[20:36] <ben_> I think you should encrypt the home dir on every install, home or not, if someone broke into your house and stole your PC, would you want them being able to get your bank passwords and such which are usually stored plaintext?
[20:37] <ben_> all they have to do is stick your HD into another PC and mount it if you don't encrypt anything
[20:37] <ben_> they could boot it up on your computer in single user mode, and then they have carte blanche to see whatever you've done  as a user
[20:44] <ben_> BluesKaj: Thanks for the recommendation on just using apt-get for handling updates
[20:45] <BluesKaj> ben_, well I have a pretty strong login pw and it's not stored anywhere on the pc
[20:46] <ben_> your login is inconsequential BluesKaj, if you do not encrypt your home dir, anyone with physical access to your HD or computer can access all your data
[20:46] <ben_> if you store any passwords in firefox, they're in plaintext
[20:46] <ben_> if you use pidgin, your passwords are stored in plaintext
[20:47] <ben_> if you use subversion with it not attached to kwallet or whatever, it's stored in plaintext
[20:47] <ben_> your browsing history is stored in plaintext
[20:47] <ben_> your shell history is stored in plaintext
[20:47] <ben_> _everyone_ should encrypt their home dir at the very least
[20:47] <BluesKaj> yeah , as if 90 % of B&E guys know anything about linux and ebcryption in this town :)
[20:49] <BluesKaj> ben_, methinks you give b&e types too much credit for brains
[20:49] <ben_> BluesKaj: perhaps, but I think a certain level of paranoia is healthy
[20:49] <BluesKaj> besides , I have 2 cops living right across the street
[20:51] <BluesKaj> and this isn't a metro area either ...I'm in the boonies of northern ontario
[20:52] <SunTsu> Well, to learn from http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/cables-scripts-manning/ - use as much encryption as you can
[20:52] <Torch> BluesKaj: it's the cops you should be afraid of ;-)
[20:52] <SunTsu> even full disk encryption if you can take the performance hit
[20:53] <BluesKaj> 2 girl cops ...they love me :)
[20:59] <ben_> I really don't care about full disk encryption since 99.9% of my private data is in my home dir, but I think that performance hit is worth it, I also think it's negligable on most modern machines
[21:00] <ben_> I sometimes worry about the page file/swap containing my keys though
[21:03] <Torch> using a ramdisk for tmp and an encrypted swap helps in that case
[21:09] <BluesKaj> too much in my /home, not enuff room on the hdd for a backup
[21:18] <ed8> hi there, I install last kubuntu (11.10) and I run on KDE 4.7.4. I've 2 problem, one is minor the other is more annoying and seems to be a regression
[21:18] <ed8> When I plug my headphones to my sound came out through laptop speaker AND headphones
[21:19] <ed8> it was working fine on previous version and still is on linux mint 11.04
[21:20] <EvilResistance> first i should mention mint isnt a supported derivative of ubuntu
[21:20] <EvilResistance> !mint
[21:20] <EvilResistance> that includes kubuntu
[21:21] <EvilResistance> secondly, since your issue is with Kubuntu, i'll mention patience, because you might need it to find the answers you seek
[21:21] <EvilResistance> thirdly, you've only mentioned one of two issues you stated.  if you ask both, one could be addressed before another
[21:26] <ed8> I mentioned Linux Mint as I was runnning on it before (version 11.04) and it was fine. Then upgrade to LM and Kubuntu 11.10, but got pissed off by unity and the same issue
[21:27] <ed8> So it's seems sound management get a bit messed up on newer release or kernel
[21:28] <ed8> the other issue is that one of my panel the one at the top appears at random place when I log-in
[21:30] <ed8> I need to unlock and change panel alignement to  whatever value so it "refresh" a place itself at the right place
[21:30] <EvilResistance> wait
[21:30] <EvilResistance> is this KDE or Gnome?
[21:30]  * EvilResistance has not seen a top panel on any of his 11.10 Kubuntu test systems
[21:31] <ed8> both are KDE issue
[21:32] <ed8> EvilResistance: never said it was fresh install, i add 2 panels
[21:34] <alessandro_> hello
[21:35] <ben_> other than my previous issues, I will say kubuntu 11.10 looks pretty slick
[21:36] <ed8> I tested with a set of external speakers, and sound come only trhough them. It's not my headphones, they work on my smartphone
[21:36] <ed8> it's seems to be an already met bugs: http://linux4unme.forumotion.com/t43-speakers-don-t-mute-when-headphones-are-plugged-in-speakers-headphones-at-the-same-time-s
[21:43] <jtheuer_> any kmail ppa packages that make kmail work again?
[21:46] <Torch> jtheuer_: what's the real problem? ;-)
[21:47] <BarkingFish> judging by the question, Torch - I'd probably say his kmail isn't working :P
[21:47] <BarkingFish> :)
[21:48] <Torch> BarkingFish: aww, comeon! what a wild guess! ;-)
[21:49] <BarkingFish> lol
[21:49] <Torch> jtheuer_: but we actually need more details to help you fix whatever problem you might have with kmail.
[21:49] <BarkingFish> I'm sorry, I have to have a sense of humor right now :)
[21:52] <Torch> BarkingFish: nothing wrong with that! ;-)
[21:54] <jtheuer_> sorry, I thought it is kind of a general fact that kmail doesn't work very well in oneiric ;-)
[21:55] <jtheuer_> so basically syncing imap fills up my free 10GB partition (which is also encrypted) so that I cannot use my system anymore ;-)
[21:55] <jtheuer_> before the upgrade I had roughly 2 GB of IMAP mails on that partition
[21:56] <Torch> jtheuer_: sounds bad. it actually started working well for me once i cleared all my previous kmail and akonadi settings.
[21:56] <jtheuer_> ok, could try that (migration didn't work anyway *g*)
[21:57] <frewo> hi. flash-plugin always crashes with firefox. is this a known issue? i use kubuntu 11.10.
[21:57] <frewo> flash-plugin non-free
[22:09] <BarkingFish> Does anyone know how to get rid of the little christmas hat and stuff on the VLC logo?
[22:10] <BarkingFish> I'm aware it's an easter egg, but it's one I hate.  The only way I can remove it at the moment is put my clock on KDE ahead by a month
[22:13] <Torch> BarkingFish: looks like it's compiled in as a qt resource
[22:13] <Torch> BarkingFish: so unless you want to rebuild the package ... ;-)
[22:14] <BarkingFish> No need, I think I just found what I wanted :)
[22:14] <BarkingFish> Posted by one of VLC's devs in their forums
[22:14] <BarkingFish> Re: Santa hat icon?
[22:14] <BarkingFish> Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:17 pm
[22:14] <BarkingFish> There is now an option to deactivate it.
[22:14] <BarkingFish> That's from the V 1.20 in their git repo
[22:15] <BarkingFish> all I can say is, Hallelujah :)
[22:15] <Torch> hehe
[22:25] <BarkingFish> Excellent, it's gone
[22:26] <BarkingFish> I discovered the skinnable interface, rather than hunting for the switchoff option, which it appears they've hidden - so we're no better off
[22:26] <BarkingFish> and the skinned interface doesn't use the santa hat at all :)  YAY
[22:36] <_calum> hi guys
[22:36] <haddock_> how do I change resolution of my second monitor in Oneiric ?
[22:36] <haddock_> I dont see any xorg.conf
[22:36] <haddock_> if there any extra software to handle such things ?
[22:37] <EvilResistance> haddock_:  it depends on your graphics card
[22:37] <EvilResistance> haddock_:  what card?
[22:37] <haddock_> thinkpad sl300. so its some intel shared stuff
[22:37] <EvilResistance> because each card sometimes comes with specific config software
[22:37] <EvilResistance> ah
[22:38] <_calum> I heard its possible to install unity alongside KDE desktop. Can I have them running alongside, so I can switch when I want to?
[22:38] <EvilResistance> haddock_:  did you try System Settings > Display and Monitor
[22:38]  * EvilResistance is on 11.04 btw, but that's the location for the display settings on mine
[22:38] <haddock_> EvilResistance: display manager says the Asus monitor can only go to 1024.
[22:39] <OerHeks> _calum, you could install gnome3 + unity alongside kubuntu yes, but you need to switch at login
[22:39] <haddock_> EvilResistance: did they change the X11 files ?
[22:39] <haddock_> EvilResistance: I thought there would be like a xorg.conf, and I could edit that then, but I dont see It.
[22:39] <Torch> you could actually run a second X server and start whatever dekstop environment you want there, but it's not totally trivial
[22:40] <_calum> OerHeks:Presumably it gives me the option to switch when my graphical login starts up?
[22:41] <_calum> I love the look of KDE but it would be nice if I could use unity if I wanted to
[22:43] <_calum> so I simply install unity or gnome from a terminal?
[22:44] <OerHeks> _calum, so yes, you can. eh i thougt sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:44] <_calum> thankyou
[22:47] <genii-around> If you want to run a different window manager inside a window on your desktop, there is also xserver-xephyr
[22:47] <genii-around> ( this is pretty resource heavy )
[22:48] <_calum> KDE so far appears to be pretty responsive on this machine
[22:49] <_calum> I was using Ubuntu before but decided to give it a try
[22:52] <_calum> what was this UI written in? QT?
[23:08] <Nickmh> Hi People,  Is there a definative site I can go for KDE usability tutorials? Installing themes, software catalogues etc. ?
[23:21] <genii-around> Nickmh: Pretty much everything at http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials also applies to Kubuntu
[23:21] <Nickmh> Thanks Geni
[23:22] <genii-around> Nickmh: You're welcome
[23:24] <Nickmh> Oh wow.  Geni. Thanks.  Great place to start.
[23:29] <nickamg> Good evening all
[23:30] <nickamg> Well I must admit, this is a lot better then Gnome 3
[23:31] <nickamg> damn quiet in here
[23:32] <BarkingFish> sorry nickamg - It's quite late in some places, and everyone who would normally be here may not necessarily be here :)
[23:32] <BarkingFish> anyway, what may we do to help you?
[23:33] <nickamg> ah yeah its like 11.30pm and i'm in bed with my laptop, I just popped in to say hey, I have just installed Kubuntu