| RAOF | Urgh. Steaming is not kind to slightly-less-than-fresh milk. | 01:21 |
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| RAOF | Huh. Thunder. | 04:29 |
| RAOF | Crazy weather! Who moved Sydney's rain down to Hobart? | 05:06 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF: I had so much rain over hte weekend...yesterday I was cleaning the mini-flood from our basement. | 05:22 |
| jasoncwarner_ | RAOF: stupid weather | 05:22 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:32 |
| pitti | RAOF: ah, installing linux-image-3.2.0-6-generic now, let's see whether that cures the hangs | 07:59 |
| RAOF | pitti: Oh, we've got a new kernel, based on rc6? Sweet. I can have both a non-crashy system *and* have sbuild work! | 08:00 |
| pitti | RAOF: yes, it's -rc6 | 08:00 |
| pitti | RAOF: I grabbed it from NEW | 08:00 |
| pitti | RAOF: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.2.0-6.12/+build/3021232 | 08:01 |
| pitti | still need to wait for the doorstopper arches to finish building, then NEWing, l-meta, etc. until everyone gets it | 08:01 |
| RAOF | Yeeehaw! | 08:02 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Good morning, Martin! | 08:20 |
| pitti | hello GunnarHj, how are you? | 08:20 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Fine, thanks. Hope you are as well. | 08:20 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Can you please take a look at bug 905429? It's a regression from the pygobject upgrade last Friday. | 08:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 905429 in python2.7 "gnome-language-selector crashed with ValueError in _build_localename(): too many values to unpack" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905429 | 08:21 |
| pitti | I am | 08:21 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: yes, already on my list for today | 08:21 |
| pitti | it's my last official day, need to clean up my list :) | 08:21 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Ok, great. | 08:21 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Does it include the a-s and l-s MPs? :) | 08:22 |
| pitti | less urgent than above crash, but in general, everything which is sitting in my ubuntu mailbox :0 | 08:22 |
| pitti | at least it seems this morning we didn't get any major iso build breakage or other nasty bug | 08:22 |
| pitti | so no firefighting to do this morning | 08:22 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Sounds promising. :) | 08:22 |
| pitti | last week was full of that | 08:23 |
| mainerror | So that is what you do to make my early Precise journey that pleasant? | 08:24 |
| pitti | basically, watch like a hawk for problems, and fix them :) | 08:25 |
| pitti | and since we have a dedicated team for this, this actually works | 08:25 |
| pitti | supported by daily automatic testing in https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/ | 08:26 |
| pitti | (bad example today, the server tests are broken, but the server ISOs themselves should be good) | 08:26 |
| pitti | and a general mindset of developers to not break stuff so hard | 08:26 |
| mainerror | Yea I was listening to the stream for that session. | 08:27 |
| RAOF | pitti: Do you know what I need to do to turn a PPA into something that we can copy into the archive? | 08:28 |
| pitti | RAOF: hm, kindly ask the launchpad guys to give you one of these "blessed" nonvirtualized PPAs? | 08:28 |
| RAOF | Ok. I think we may have done that. | 08:28 |
| mainerror | I should totally get cracking with learning how to package. Sounds like something that should be fun. | 08:29 |
| pitti | mainerror: you'll find a lot of agreement in this channel :) | 08:30 |
| RAOF | I'll finish the rest of the world-building, then scream at someone that the world *still* breaks when the gesture extension is not available, then prepare to copy to the archive :) | 08:30 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: did you already happen to send a bug to python upstream? if not, I can do it now | 08:44 |
| pitti | it's not a problem in python3, but ought to be fixed in python2.7 indeed | 08:45 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: nevermind, known already -- http://bugs.python.org/issue3067 | 08:48 |
| pitti | so it seems setlocale is not meant to work with unicode in py2.7 | 08:48 |
| rodrigo_ | morning | 09:00 |
| pitti | hey rodrigo_, how are you? | 09:00 |
| rodrigo_ | hi pitti, I'm fine and you? | 09:02 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: quite fine, thanks! trying to mop up everything outstanding on my last official day today :) | 09:02 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: how are you? looking forward to the holidays? | 09:03 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: last official day? | 09:03 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, before vacation? | 09:03 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: yes | 09:03 |
| rodrigo_ | ah ok | 09:03 |
| pitti | "official" since I figure I'll need to do a few things here and there until Wednesday, but then I'll disappear | 09:04 |
| rodrigo_ | going anywhere, or just staying at home relaxing? :D | 09:04 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: no, we'll go to Dresden again to spend the holidays with our families and friends | 09:06 |
| pitti | all of my friends will also come to Dresden (many are living in different cities or even countries these days), so looking forward to that | 09:07 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Saw your comments on the python issue. Only fixing it in l-s means that locale.setlocale() keeps being broken in Ubuntu, doesn't it? | 09:15 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: right; but it's always been like that | 09:17 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Yes, but the news is that type 'str' strings now are converted to type 'unicode'. | 09:18 |
| GunnarHj | In gi/overrides/Gtk.py | 09:20 |
| pitti | so that would happen if you stuff e. g. the contents of an input field right into setlocale() without conversion | 09:21 |
| pitti | indeed it would be better to fix setlocale(), but seems upstream already rejected that | 09:21 |
| pitti | and at some point we'll use python3 anyway | 09:21 |
| pitti | so I guess the committed workaround will do for now | 09:22 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Ok, you are the one with a helicopter perspective on it. :) | 09:22 |
| pitti | well, it's more like the pragmatic perspective :) | 09:23 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: I have an outstanding MP for l-s which I want to take a look at, then I'll upload | 09:23 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: do you know if g-settings-daemon starts syndaemon? | 09:45 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I'm trying to understand bug 868400, apparently we sometimes get two syndaemons running | 09:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 868400 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptics touchpad stops working" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868400 | 09:46 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: yes, it does | 09:47 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: hm, could that happen if g-s-d spawns syndaemon, then crashes, then restarts, and starts another syndaemon? | 09:48 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 09:48 |
| rodrigo_ | that might be the cause indeed | 09:48 |
| pitti | syndaemon_spawned is only valid while g-s-d is running | 09:48 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 09:48 |
| pitti | So there is the conflict: two syndaemon instances, one from lightdm and one from logged in user. | 09:49 |
| pitti | ooh | 09:49 |
| pitti | or that | 09:49 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, lightdm runs it? | 09:49 |
| pitti | but comment 69 has two syndaemons from the user | 09:49 |
| rodrigo_ | then it might be the g-s-d-crashing-and-restarting thing | 09:50 |
| pitti | and comment 81 is the one with one from lightdm and one from user | 09:50 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm | 09:50 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: if g-s-d respawns, could it even use the old syndaemon? | 09:52 |
| pitti | or does it need to know its pid and some fd to it? | 09:52 |
| rodrigo_ | it needs to know the pid | 09:54 |
| rodrigo_ | let me double check | 09:54 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, it keeps track of the pid | 09:55 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: but only for internal housekeeping | 09:55 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 09:55 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: not for actually communicating with it | 09:55 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: once syndaemon is started, does it work completely on its own or does it need to be controlled from outside/g-s-d? | 09:56 |
| rodrigo_ | it works on its own | 09:56 |
| pitti | in the former case, it could just call pidof instead of manager->priv->syndaemon_spawned | 09:56 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, just saw it doesn't kill the pid on exit, although not sure it should | 09:56 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, it could do that, yes | 09:56 |
| pitti | then if pidof returns true, it coudl just grab that pid | 09:57 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah | 09:57 |
| pitti | so that it can kill it if the user disables the function | 09:57 |
| rodrigo_ | right, that should be the best way | 09:57 |
| rodrigo_ | syndaemon needs to not run if the feature is disabled | 09:57 |
| pitti | right | 09:57 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I updated the bug accordingly; I gave the lightdm task to robert (I think we should just disable syndaemon completely there via gsettings) | 09:58 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I guess you won't have time any more to work on this, though? | 09:58 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti: I'm almost done with the install languages, so once I'm done, if there's time I can work on it | 09:59 |
| rodrigo_ | assign the bug to me for now, if you want | 09:59 |
| rodrigo_ | if no time, I'll assign it back | 09:59 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: ok, will do; thanks! | 09:59 |
| rodrigo_ | although this is an upstream thing, so I can fix it next week also | 10:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: oh, nice! g-c-c language selector is working now? | 10:00 |
| rodrigo_ | almost | 10:00 |
| rodrigo_ | a few details missing still though | 10:00 |
| rodrigo_ | but almost there :) | 10:00 |
| pitti | cool! | 10:00 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I guess we are still missing the aptdaemon part for returning the set of packages to install? | 10:01 |
| pitti | what-provides('locale', 'es') or something | 10:01 |
| rodrigo_ | I have a branch with that | 10:01 |
| rodrigo_ | so all should be done tomorrow, or Wed I hope | 10:02 |
| pitti | oh, already? I had expected to work on this in January, after my stable+1 team shift | 10:02 |
| pitti | great! | 10:02 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: are you using l-s' pkg_depends file for this? | 10:02 |
| pitti | or just call check-language-support? | 10:03 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, needed a backend to test, so aptdaemon was the best fit for now | 10:03 |
| rodrigo_ | just calls check-lang-support | 10:03 |
| rodrigo_ | the missing thing would be to move the script to aptdaemon, right? | 10:03 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: ah, good; so I can just change that to use the pkg_depends file in January without disrupting anything else | 10:03 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah | 10:03 |
| pitti | yay for having encapsulation behidn a d-bus api | 10:03 |
| rodrigo_ | :) | 10:03 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: I'll throw the script away (or just change it to call the d-bus api) | 10:04 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: in aptdaemon it's much cheaper to figure this out by re-using an existing apt.Cache() instance | 10:04 |
| rodrigo_ | yes | 10:04 |
| Sweetshark | Bonjours toujours! | 11:08 |
| Sweetshark | -s | 11:08 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: argh, noo! the French mafia brainwashed you already? | 11:08 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I am just infiltrating them! | 11:09 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: dont blow my cover. | 11:09 |
| * Sweetshark has LibreOffice (Libre in the name was also an success of the french mafia) 3.5 beta0 completing ./debian/rules build. | 11:10 | |
| Sweetshark | (on precise) | 11:10 |
| Sweetshark | but there is still MIR galore ahead (I just switched to --with-system-foo for the stuff we are missing for now) | 11:11 |
| Sweetshark | ahem | 11:12 |
| Sweetshark | --without-system-foo | 11:12 |
| pitti | ah, good; that should hopefully greatly reduce the MIRs? | 11:12 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: well, I can do a lot more --without-system-foo stuff, that would make my life a lot easier (however the LO package bigger and if there is a security update in the external libs that would suck) ... | 11:16 |
| pitti | right | 11:17 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: well, the size will increase either way, as these new external libraries would need to get added to the CD, too | 11:17 |
| pitti | but external libs are still better for security updates, of course | 11:18 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: however, it seems some stuff that _rene_ is using isnt even published at debian (libcmis, libtextextcat-dev), so IMHO I would just go with --without-system-foo for those for now. | 11:18 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: we still have -4MB space left on the CDs, so that's how much they can grow :) | 11:18 |
| pitti | (i. e. we are already oversized) | 11:18 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: and I dont think a lot of other apps reusing these libs as of now. If they would we would have them duplicated (once in LO, once system-wide), which really would waste a lot of space. | 11:20 |
| Sweetshark | (possibly also CD-space) | 11:20 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: right, for stuff that isn't prone to security vulns, the bundled stuff will do fine for now | 11:21 |
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| Laney | stgraber just created desktop-extra | 14:39 |
| Laney | have at it :-) | 14:39 |
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| mterry | cyphermox, I'm looking at the 'iw' MIR | 16:08 |
| mterry | cyphermox, there are some seemingly important bugs in LP. Is the package working? | 16:08 |
| cyphermox | it was :) | 16:10 |
| cyphermox | let me check those bugs again, IIRC it's all stuff that needs to be closed or something | 16:10 |
| cyphermox | as far as I'm concerned, it works, I can see scan results, etc. | 16:11 |
| rodrigo_ | out for a bit, bbl | 16:48 |
| jbicha | Laney: thanks | 16:52 |
| Laney | np | 16:52 |
| Laney | we can't 'drop' stuff from desktop like that since it's autogenerated | 16:52 |
| Laney | the seeds need to be fixed | 16:52 |
| Laney | afaik anyway | 16:53 |
| Laney | maybe pitti knows more | 16:53 |
| pitti | Laney: what is "like that"? | 16:54 |
| * pitti is missing jbicha's questino apparently | 16:54 | |
| jbicha | I think gnome-panel and gnome-applets should be moved from desktop to desktop-extra | 16:54 |
| pitti | that should be fine, they are in universe now | 16:55 |
| pitti | edubuntu-desktop-gnome still pulls them in | 16:55 |
| pitti | I'll verify with cjwatson in #devel | 16:56 |
| Laney | maybe refreshing the packagesets is a manual process? | 16:56 |
| jbicha | since we're going with GTK 3.4, is there a reason why I shouldn't upload gedit 3.3 to precise? | 16:59 |
| pitti | jbicha: as we want to stay on 3.2, I'd turn that question around | 17:02 |
| pitti | jbicha: i. e. "does or will it depend on anything else in 3.4 and does it improve things noticeably"? | 17:02 |
| jbicha | pitti: do we want to stay on 3.2? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0 | 17:04 |
| jbicha | gedit doesn't yet depend on 3.3, but it's hard to predict what'll happen | 17:05 |
| pitti | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-gnome-version | 17:05 |
| pitti | jbicha: so far it's: glib/gtk 3.4, gnome 3.2, consider g-control-center as we have some active work going on on that | 17:05 |
| pitti | (or backport the new region panel) | 17:05 |
| jbicha | the whole 3.2/3.4 thing is still confusing, the pad only lists a few things to keep on 3.2 | 17:08 |
| pitti | need to run, see you tomorrow! | 17:12 |
| pitti | (I'm officially on vacation from tomorrow on, but need to wrap up a few things) | 17:12 |
| jbicha | I wonder if gnome-games will still be ok since they've been doing a lot of work on it (porting games to vala for instance) | 17:12 |
| pitti | jbicha: yes, we can update individual parts if they don't introduce regressions and dependencies to other 3.4 parts | 17:13 |
| jbicha | well I think gedit will be fine but we'll talk more later | 17:13 |
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