[01:41] <pangolin> hello mazda01 how can i help you?
[02:00] <mazda01> how do I use whois in xchat? or is this the wrong place to ask?
[02:01] <CarlFK> wrong place
[02:01] <mazda01> ok, sorry. goodbye
[02:01] <CarlFK> no prob
[04:21] <stu-2> hi  my ubuntu crashed the other day    now i get a message that my profile has not loaded properly   what does it all mean?
[09:18] <bazhang> whoops sorry
[09:19] <ikonia> it's fine, the guy does this all the time
[09:19] <pozic> ikonia: are you out of your freaking mind?
[09:19] <ikonia> pozic: every time you are in #ubuntu you cause a problem with your ranting
[09:19] <pozic> ikonia: let me guess: you are affiliated with Canonical?
[09:19] <ikonia> pozic: if the distro does not meet your needs, change distros
[09:19] <ikonia> pozic: if the distro does meet your needs and you want help, then ask and we can try to help
[09:19] <pozic> ikonia: uhm, just because Ubuntu sucks, doesn't mean I cannot say that it does.
[09:19] <ikonia> pozic: sure it does
[09:20] <pozic> ikonia: I did ask for help.
[09:20] <pozic> ikonia: the help quality just sucked.
[09:20] <ikonia> pozic: it's a support channel, you adding "ubuntu sucks" isn't helpful to anyone
[09:20] <pozic> ikonia: because I still have the problem.
[09:20] <ikonia> pozic: then don't use the channel, everytime you are in #ubuntu you cause a problem,
[09:20] <pozic> ikonia: I think you are just an ASSHOLE, and nothing else if you have this attitude.\
[09:20] <pozic> Ubuntu has multiple bugs open.
[09:20] <pozic> Are you saying it is the fault of those users?
[09:20] <ikonia> it has many bugs and problems
[09:20] <pozic> No, the software sucks. Period.
[09:20] <ikonia> then don't use it
[09:21] <pozic> You shouldn't ban me for pointing out flaws.
[09:21] <ikonia> I didn't
[09:21] <pozic> Well, _someone_ did.
[09:21] <ikonia> however you are adding no value with your comments.
[09:21] <pozic> ikonia: yes, I am adding value.
[09:21] <ikonia> you where warned enough times on this occasion and you've had warnings in the past
[09:21] <pozic> ikonia: because I am saying that it doesn't work.
[09:21] <ikonia> so I'm tried of giving you warnings
[09:21] <pozic> ikonia: so, that is feedback.
[09:21] <ikonia> no it's not
[09:22] <pozic> ikonia: at this moment, Canonical QA personal should FIX the issue.
[09:22] <ikonia> feedback would be logging the bugs, updating them, pushing them through
[09:22] <ikonia> sat in #ubuntu saying "ubuntu sucks" isn't
[09:22] <pozic> ikonia: I am sure that someone could reproduce the problem with the information I gave them.
[09:22] <ikonia> I'm sure they could
[09:22] <ikonia> but why would they want to
[09:23] <pozic> ikonia: exactly.
[09:23] <pozic> They do not want to provide bug free software.
[09:23] <ikonia> log a bug
[09:23] <ikonia> put as much detail in the bug as possible
[09:23] <ikonia> push the bug through
[09:23] <pozic> Because that would destroy their business model.
[09:23] <ikonia> ok - whatever, this conversation is done
[09:23] <pozic> That's why Linux will never succeed.
[09:23] <ikonia> pozic: until you can contribute to the channel, you're not going to be allowed into the channel
[09:23] <pozic> There is not reason to make it good.
[09:23] <ikonia> good bye
[09:23] <pozic> ikonia: I contributed tons of times.
[09:24] <pozic> ikonia: also, you are just a sucker.
[09:24] <pozic> ikonia: you likely don't even have a degree in CS.
[09:24] <pozic> ikonia: you sound like a stupid system administrator in any way.
[09:24] <pozic> ikonia: just a piece of garbage that can only ban people when they have a different opinion.
[09:25] <pozic> You are nothing different than Hitler.
[09:25] <pozic> Also, which moron decided to ban me?
[09:25] <bazhang> this is going nowhere
[09:26] <bazhang> once you reference Nazi's, it's over
[09:26] <pozic> I just cannot have any respect for a bunch of idiots.
[09:26] <pozic> Why should I?
[09:26] <Tm_T> pozic: as you keep that attitude, I have to ask you to leave until you can behave
[09:26] <bazhang> pozic, you won't be unbanned at this time. please exit the channel.
[09:26] <pozic> I have no problems with anyone that I didn't communicate with.
[09:26] <pozic> I have a problem with ikonia.\
[09:27] <pozic> He/she clearly lacks the intelligence to communicate with me.
[09:27] <Tm_T> pozic: I ask you again, please leave when you have that attitude
[09:27] <bazhang> thats quite enough of the insults
[09:27] <pozic> It is not an insult.
[09:27] <pozic> It is a fact.
[09:27] <bazhang> bye
[09:27] <pozic> Not everyone is created equal.
[09:27] <bazhang> heh
[09:27]  * Tm_T fails with scripts sometimes
[09:28] <bazhang> chanserv.py?
[09:28] <Tm_T> no, my own aliases for irssi
[09:28] <bazhang> heh ok
[09:28] <Tm_T> I forgot to add the nick before hitting enter
[09:28] <ikonia> and he'll start in +1 in 30 seconds
[09:29] <bazhang> and more insults now
[09:29] <ikonia> and he's gone
[09:29] <Tm_T> I was on it ):
[09:29] <ikonia> sorry, didn't know if you where in +1
[09:30] <Tm_T> np, you just keep pointing out how old and slow I am (:
[09:30]  * Tm_T huggles the young an fast ikonia
[13:20] <Pici> !ping
[14:58] <Flannel> Shouldn't there be an additional call for IRCC nominations instead of a vote?  How can we elect four people to five seats?
[14:59] <Pici> Good question.  I must not have been as awake as I thought when I read it earlier.
[15:02] <jussi> I have no idea to the answer. I suggest you ask the CC.
[16:25] <mneptok> ubottu: i nom-nom-nominate you!
[16:28]  * genii-around votes for the bot
[16:58] <pangolin> least we know the bot will attend the meetings
[17:14] <genii-around> pangolin: Good point
[17:23] <pangolin> !guidelines > iToast
[17:44] <jussi> I think meetings should be abolished. stupid waste of time. :)
[17:46] <genii-around> I'm not crazy about meetings either actually.
[17:46] <pangolin> as of wednesday you no longer have to attend
[17:46] <pangolin> let it be written, let it be done.
[17:47] <genii-around> Heh
[17:50] <genii-around> If there are 4 candidates and 4 positions, doesn't everyone just get acclaimed?
[17:51] <jussi> genii-around: read the email again, and then the link in it :) :) :)
[17:51] <Corey> I'm not a Ubuntu member, else I'd throw my hat into the proverbial ring.
[17:52] <jussi> its basically a yes/no vote
[17:52]  * genii-around re-examines email
[17:53] <pangolin> thing is doesn't the ircc require 5 members?
[17:53]  * jussi points that question to the CC
[17:55] <ikonia> I didn't think elky's term was expiring yet
[17:55] <pangolin> the CC said they were going to start a fresh IRCC
[17:57] <pleia2> having a strong council that the CC is confident is more important than a specific number
[17:57] <pleia2> s/confident is/confident in
[17:57] <pangolin> +1
[17:59] <pangolin> answers like that is why you are on the CC
[17:59] <pleia2> :)
[18:02]  * genii-around sets an alarm to remind him to vote in about 6 hours
[18:15] <pangolin> since the voting is secret and all that. I am voting yes for all four nominees.
[18:16] <pangolin> good luck and looking forward to working with you folks :)
[19:30] <ikonia> jita = known troll
[20:33] <dax> pleia2: Well, I imagine certain numbers wouldn't work. Four people being an even number would be interesting voting-wise, for example (two vs. two?).
[20:34] <dax> Although I guess you could just require 3/4 to pass things. Not too different from how things work now.
[20:35] <pleia2> dax: there is really no perfect solution to this, and if there is a decision that is so contentious that we'd need such a tiebreaker I'd rather it was discussed more widely with the community so council members could agree somehow rather than simple council majority deciding
[20:37] <pleia2> (or discussed with the CC, whatever is more appropriate for the sitation)
[20:38] <genii-around> But as I understand... there are 3 positions which are at the end of their term... one position which the member is stepping down.. which makes 4 positions. And there are 4 candidates...
[20:38]  * genii-around goes to make more coffee
[20:38] <dax> genii-around: elky's position is being voted upon also.
[20:38] <mneptok> pleia2: i strongly disagree with that approach, and can muster the votes to ensure that ..... snow!!! LOOK AT THE PRETTY SNOWFLAKES!!!!!
[20:38] <dax> genii-around: The CC feels it's best to re-elect a full council, basically.
[20:39] <pleia2> genii-around: as the email about this said, every council member is being removed
[20:39]  * mneptok scampers off
[20:39] <pleia2> we're voting on the 4 proposed to staff the council
[20:39] <genii-around> Ah, this starts to make more sense then
[20:40] <dax> pleia2: I'd suggest throwing a CC member on there and making it 5, but then they'd have yet another hat to juggle.
[20:40] <JoshuaP> I'd like to staff the council if there is a position open. :)
[20:40] <pangolin> heh
[20:40] <dax> pleia2: One hopes that the efforts towards fixing Ubuntu's derth of leaders will actually work. That you can't find five people out of a core ops team of almost 100 kinda points at it again.
[20:40] <pangolin> you need to be an ubuntu member JoshuaP
[20:40] <pleia2> dax: the CC will be closely working with the IRCC moving forward (not formally replacing the 5th because we do want that space available should a suitable replacement be found)
[20:40] <pangolin> JoshuaP: How can we help?
[20:40] <dax> true. 100 is too high, then :\
[20:41] <JoshuaP> pangolin, how do I become an Ubuntu member?
[20:41] <pangolin> !membership > JoshuaP
[20:41] <pleia2> dholbach, myself and Gwaihir have already committed to helping, don't want to overwhelm CC members either by just making one of us do it :)
[20:43] <dax> pleia2: (What's Gwaihir's realname? This must be the first time I've known someone by that and not IRC handle)
[20:43] <pleia2> Milo Casagrande :)
[20:43] <dax> ah, right
[20:44] <pleia2> I didn't actually know his IRC nick either before he joined the CC
[20:44] <pleia2> but I've met him
[20:44] <pangolin> JoshuaP: if there is nothing else please don't idle in this channel.
[20:44] <JoshuaP> I'm reading the article Dx
[20:45] <JoshuaP> I'm a bot slow at it as my eyes are strained from staring at a command line for 19 hours
[20:45] <pangolin> JoshuaP: ok well, there is a no idling policy in this channel. unless you have immediate business with the ops team please /part.
[20:46] <JoshuaP> Fair
[20:46] <pangolin> thank...
[21:16] <Pici> !cookie | ikonia
[21:16] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[21:16] <ikonia> for what ?
[21:16] <Pici> ikonia: for today, you've been dealing with a bunch of problem users in #u
[21:17] <ikonia> ha ha ha, not too bad
[21:17] <ikonia> the main issues seem to be solved, well, manday is anyway
[22:31]  * genii-around gets a 30-minute warning alarm
[23:05] <genii-around> What the hell. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-members/+polls said an hour ago opening in 1 hour. Now the hour is gone it says one more hour. ( actually 55 minutes now)
[23:05] <ikonia> you're keen
[23:06] <genii-around> ikonia: I stayed an hour at work for it. Now it looks like another one.
[23:06] <ikonia> aren't you a good operator
[23:06] <ikonia> commited
[23:07] <genii-around> Hm
[23:07] <ikonia> staying late
[23:10] <genii-around> ikonia: I don't usually use a computer from home after being around them at work all day, etc.
[23:10] <ikonia> understandable, still good effort
[23:10]  * genii-around makes more coffee and settles in for the second hour