[00:25] <looseparts> bump?
[00:26] <EvilResistance> looseparts:  you need *tons* of patience here, fwiw
[00:28] <looseparts> thank you. like... many hours. I can do that : )
[03:41] <pythonirc101> how do i make /var/run writable by group www-data?
[03:48] <twb> pythonirc101: you don't; what is the broader goal?
[03:49] <twb> Guessing, the answer is probably start-stop-daemon(8) or even init(5)
[03:52] <pythonirc101> twb: Here is my problem
[03:53] <pythonirc101> I'm using uwsgi that creates ".sock" files in /var/run -- and it gives me a warning that i'm running it as root
[03:53] <pythonirc101> so i thought i'd run it as a webuser
[03:53] <pythonirc101> when i do, i get permission denied
[03:56] <twb> Usually daemons create a pidfile and then change UID
[03:56] <twb> Or you don't bother creating a pidfile, just let upstart take care of it for you
[03:58] <pythonirc101> I guess i'm stuck with uwsgi -- at least for now
[03:58] <twb> pythonirc101: is that a daemon or what?
[04:01] <pythonirc101> you can run it in both modes
[04:01] <pythonirc101> trying to figure it out
[04:16] <yaboo> other than using ufw for firewall, if I was to use iptables, where would the config file reside so that it is loaded during boot please?
[04:20] <twb> rulesets are not loaded at boot by default
[04:21] <twb> You probably want either ufw or iptables-persistent, or do it by hand.
[04:21] <twb> Note that rulesets can and should be loaded BEFORE the network interfaces exist; all you need is $local-filesystems.
[04:27] <sp4z> anybody know why logwatch is not emailing me apache information? i have the http.conf in the logfiles folder and it errors correctly if i put a break in the http.conf but i just dont get anything via email? there is information in the logs..
[04:27] <twb> logwatch or logcheck?
[04:29] <yaboo> twb ok, so I guess its ufw then
[04:30] <sp4z> logwatch
[04:33] <twb> sp4z: sorry I don't do logwatch
[04:38] <sp4z> also, i AM getting logwatch emails just missing the apache2 log file information
[04:40] <twb> You might need to enable the apache module within logwatch?
[04:48] <sp4z> yep i had. i had the wrong date range though >x|
[04:48] <sp4z> thanks anyhow twb
[04:48] <sp4z> all fixed
[04:53] <pythonirc101> how do i find out which package installed uwsgi?
[04:53] <pythonirc101> which is in /usr/local/bin/uwsgi
[04:54] <pythonirc101> dlocate?
[04:54] <twb> pythonirc101: packages are not allowed to install in /usr/lcoal
[04:54] <twb> Therefore you have installed it by hand which is Bad Juju
[05:17] <looseparts> Hello - I'm moving my servers from their own static IP addresses to an ISP where I'll be connecting via DHCP - I have installed ddclient, but do not know how to adjust my apache2 httpd.conf
[05:17] <twb> Why would you need to adjust your httpd.conf ?
[05:18] <twb> Do you listen on 1.2.3.4:80 instead of just *:80 ?
[05:20] <looseparts> my httpd.conf lists my static IP addresses that are my static ones and they're going to change
[05:21] <looseparts> here's my current httpd.conf (ten years old)...
[05:21] <looseparts> Here's my httpd.conf:
[05:21] <looseparts> = = = =
[05:21] <looseparts> NameVirtualHost 69.9.xxx.xxx
[05:21] <looseparts> ServerName 69.9.xxx.xxx
[05:21] <looseparts> <VirtualHost 69.9.xxx.xxx>
[05:21] <looseparts> ServerName something.com
[05:21] <looseparts> DocumentRoot /www/html
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[05:21] <twb> STOP
[05:21] <twb> Pastebin
[05:23] <looseparts> sorry.. I don't know how to use pastebin.
[05:23] <twb> !pastebin
[05:25] <looseparts> http://paste.ubuntu.com/774985/
[05:26] <twb> Are the xxx's all the same?
[05:26] <twb> It would be easier to help if you didn't elide useful information
[05:26] <twb> Anyway, you would normally just have <VirtualHost *>
[05:27] <looseparts> i don't want to publicize my ip addresses
[05:27] <twb> Don't be such a big girl
[05:27] <twb> If your security relies on keeping your IP address secret, you are fucked.
[05:28] <twb> Sorry that should be <VirtualHost *:80>
[05:28] <looseparts> might be without knowledge rather than cowardly
[05:29] <looseparts> can you point me to an example of an httpd.conf that will work w/ dynamic IP ?
[05:29] <twb> NameVirtualHost *:80 \n Listen 80 \n <VirtualHost *:80> \n ... </VirtualHost>
[05:32] <looseparts> does \n mean new line ?
[05:32] <twb> yes because I'm too lazy to pastebin
[05:32] <twb> You might also want to try #httpd
[05:33] <looseparts> k thank you
[05:34] <looseparts> I must say that I found pastebin to not require much effort.
[05:34] <yaboo> whats the best way to turn my 10.04 server for a internet gateway, has two nics, one to a adsl unit
[05:35] <yaboo> currently have my own script that is applied during boot time, can I use ufw to automate this
[06:00] <whalesalad> hey guys! I just updated to precise pangolin, now two of my VPS' are sitting at a GRUB screen and I am at a total loss
[06:00] <whalesalad> during the update it asked me if I wanted to install the upgraded grub and I said no
[06:01] <twb> whalesalad: did you maybe upgrade from grub1 to 2 without installing the new MBR ?
[06:01] <whalesalad> twb: that is possible. it said something on the lines of "if you're not using a boot loader or using a headless machine blah blah" say NO
[06:02] <whalesalad> so I did… since these don't have displays they're just in a closet somewhere
[06:02] <twb> You know 12.04 hasn't been released yet, right?
[06:02] <whalesalad> did not know that
[06:02] <twb> You're not supposed to use it unless you're capable of fixing these kinds of issues
[06:03] <twb> Unfortunately I'm stll on 10.04 LTS and I'm not familiar with your specific issue, and I usually "fix" grub issues by throwing it out and installing extlinux, but that is not something newbies should be doing.
[06:03] <whalesalad> fantastic
[06:04] <twb> You probably want to start by booting a live CD, chrooting into the system on disk and issuing a grub-insatll and update-grub
[06:04] <whalesalad> unfortunately these are in a different continent
[06:04] <whalesalad> I have a grub terminal
[06:04] <twb> I'm a pretty big anti-grub bigot because when I try things like that it often goes tits-up, ilke e.g. I boot from a rescue USB key and grub decides to install itself on top of the key instead of the HDD :-/
[06:05] <twb> whalesalad: so you have some kind of LOM?
[06:06] <whalesalad> i'm not familiar with that word, LOM
[06:06] <twb> lights-out management
[06:06] <twb> As in you can see grub despite not being physically present
[06:06] <whalesalad> basically i've got a client in sweden who gave me some vmware credentials and told me to get two servers setup
[06:06] <twb> LOM is about the same as KVM over IP.
[06:06] <whalesalad> yes, exactly, I have a vmware console open where I can do that
[06:07] <twb> OK, so these are virtual machines
[06:07] <twb> In that case you can just tell vmware to boot from CD and give it a live CD as an ISO
[06:20] <whalesalad> twb: thanks for your help, fortunately there are some guys at the datacenter who are either gonna just wipe these and install 11.10, or try and fix this issue
[06:24] <pythonirc101> I've a daemon that i can run using -- > "/usr/bin/uwsgi --emperor /etc/uwsgi --pidfile /var/uwsgi/uwsgi.pid --daemon /var/log/uwsgi.log" -- how do i run it at startup on ubuntu server?
[06:27] <eprasad> rc.local ?
[06:29] <pythonirc101> eprasad: vs /etc/init.d? -- which one and why?
[06:30] <eprasad> /etc/rc.local coz this scripts executes after all other init scripts.
[06:31] <eprasad> whatever you put in this file gets executed on reboot.
[06:32] <pythonirc101> thanks
[06:33] <eprasad> np pythonirc101
[06:38] <twb> Sigh, 12GB single-folder maildir
[06:39] <twb> pythonirc101: write an /etc/init/uwsgi.conf containing these lines: "start on runlevel [2345]" "stop on runlevel [^2345]" "respawn" and "exec uwsgi --emperor /etc/uwsgi --daemon /var/log/uwsgi.log".  Note: no --pidfile.  You may also need either "expect fork" or to tell uwsgi not to do an extra fork.
[06:40] <twb> Sorry, "expect fork" or "expect daemon" -- depends on whether it zero-, single- or double-forks.  Often you can simply tell it not to with an option like --foreground or (sometimes) --debug
[06:45] <whalesalad> pythonirc101: i'd roll with supervisord
[06:46] <whalesalad> its python based and i use it for managing uwsgi processes
[06:47] <pythonirc101> twb: am talking to the author of uwsgi -- brb :)
[06:52] <pythonirc101> how do i find out who installed /usr/local/bin/ubuntu -- without installing dlocate?
[06:54] <twb> dpkg -S
[06:54] <twb> But it won't be any .deb because that would violate policy, so either it is an EXTREMELY poor .deb, or it was installed by hand.
[06:54] <pythonirc101> twb: dpkg: /usr/local/bin/uwsgi not found.
[06:55] <pythonirc101> means someone else installed it?
[06:55] <twb> (dlocate is just a cached version of dpkg -S)
[06:55] <twb> pythonirc101: precisely
[06:55] <twb> pythonirc101: someone with superuser privileges and no brain
[06:56] <pythonirc101> its called python pip i think
[06:56] <twb> You mean the cheeseshop thing?
[06:57] <twb> A la cpan/cabal/pear/&c ?
[07:08] <pythonirc101> twb: k I think i can write a /etc/init/uwsgi.conf
[07:08] <pythonirc101> what do i do after that -- how do i deploy it?
[07:08] <pythonirc101> twb: something like this -- http://projects.unbit.it/uwsgi/browser/contrib/upstart/uwsgi.conf ?
[07:11] <whalesalad> pythonirc101: honestly take a look at supervisord
[07:11] <whalesalad> quick google search reveals this which is similar to my setup: http://lurkingideas.net/deploying-django-projects/
[07:11] <whalesalad> i gotta run though
[07:12] <twb> pythonirc101: uh, "deploy" it by putting the init script there and doing "start uwsgi" or so
[07:13] <twb> init script looks OK to me at a glance
[07:14] <pythonirc101> twb: thanks -- but my executable line looks like: exec $BINPATH --manage-script-name  --emperor "/home/cg/www/*.xml" --pidfile /tmp/uwsgi.pid --daemon /var/log/uwsgi.log
[07:14] <pythonirc101> so i remove the "--pidfile..." and "--daemon ..."  as well?
[07:15] <twb> Depends on uwsgi, which I'm not familiar with
[07:16] <pythonirc101> lemme try with both in...see what happens?
[07:16] <twb> Basically you rely on upstart to track the PID and you want to make sure the app doesn't change its own PID, either by forking during startup, or by e.g. completely restarting itself on HUP
[07:16] <twb> The latter is uncommon; nsd3 is an offender :-/
[07:17] <pythonirc101> k, so i dont have to track it then ?
[07:17] <pythonirc101> hence no --pidfile
[07:19] <twb> Right
[07:19] <twb> Unless something else needs to, which is unlikely
[07:19] <pythonirc101> k, trying
[07:19] <twb> upstart makes adding new daemons easy provided the daemons behave the way upstart wants
[07:20] <pythonirc101> looks like its working...does it automatically start at reboots?
[07:20] <pythonirc101> nah didnt work
[07:21] <pythonirc101> oops
[07:21] <pythonirc101> that broke my machine? upstart?
[07:21] <twb> You might want to remove "respawn" while debugging
[07:21] <pythonirc101> rebooted, can cant ssh to it!
[07:22] <twb> it surprises me that you managed to trash it that badly with that one change
[07:22] <twb> upstart is pid 1, it's in charge of everything, so it's certainly POSSIBLE
[07:22] <twb> Sorry about that, maybe I should've made that clearer
[07:23] <pythonirc101> so what really happened?
[07:23] <twb> I don't know
[07:23] <twb> upstart is a stone cold bitch to debug
[07:23] <pythonirc101> i dont have access to the physical machine...! :(
[07:23] <twb> I guess at this point you need to call the local NOC monkey and get him to go look at the scren
[07:23] <twb> *screen
[07:23] <twb> Maybe try to get him to turn off the uswgi job
[07:25] <pythonirc101> its a virtual machine...lemme see if i can see its output
[07:26] <pythonirc101> nope
[07:27] <pythonirc101> twb: so someone has to login in single user mode and remove /etc/init/uwsgi.conf and reboot?
[07:27] <Zanzacar> I am confused and dont know where to look. If I do ls -lh I get an iso to be 695M but the gui properties say 726M? whats going on?
[07:29] <Zanzacar> actually it is 729, it appears as if when it converts from bytes to megabytes it is just dividing by 1000 instead of 1012 but why?
[07:30] <pythonirc101> twb: will that work by any chance?
[07:31] <twb> pythonirc101: well, it depends why it went tits-up
[07:31] <twb> pythonirc101: but booting into single or break, or a live CD, is most likely to work
[07:32] <pythonirc101> twb: after that if we remove that file, should work, right?
[07:33] <twb> pythonirc101: well, it depends why it went tits-up
[07:33] <pythonirc101> i didnt change anything else
[07:33] <pythonirc101> i am hoping it was that
[07:38] <pythonirc101> twb: i'm in
[07:38] <pythonirc101> not sure what happened, i rebooted again, removed uwsgi.conf
[07:39] <twb> Dunno, sorry
[07:39] <pythonirc101> cool
[07:39] <pythonirc101> i'm back up
[07:39] <twb> That shouldn't take out sshd
[07:39] <twb> If you were messing with plymouth or mountall jobs, THAT could easily take out sshd, but shouldn't be runlevel [2345]
[07:39] <pythonirc101> i've no clue what happened...maybe it was just waiting for something too long
[07:40] <pythonirc101> i dont see why i should not just stick that daemon in rc.local?
[07:40] <twb> Because upstart is better and just as easy?
[07:40] <twb> With upstart it'll restart if it dies, and allow easy manual restarting and reloading
[07:40] <twb> rc.local's a filthy hack
[07:40] <pythonirc101> twb: Is there a way to replicate a machine thats online with ssh access locally?
[07:41] <twb> Define "replicate"
[07:41] <pythonirc101> i guess i cant -- since the hardware is different there...and i've no clue what virtual machine i'm running on...
[07:42] <pythonirc101> i wud like it to behave as close to the machine online as possible :)
[07:55] <Zanzacar> Does anyone know why in the terminal I get 695M with ls -lh on a file, but in nautilus I get 729M?
[07:58] <pnorman> Zanzacar: that difference works out to a factor of (1024/1000)^2, could it be that?
[08:00] <twb> Zanzacar: du, du --apparent-size ?
[08:00] <twb> Yeah could also be what pnorman says
[08:00] <twb> ls -hl, ls -hl --si
[08:01] <Zeroe> Can anyone direct me to a good documentation on securing ubuntu server edition for commercial use in eCommerce. I probably won't be hosting it in the end, but I would like to know the ins and out in order to administer it better when it is hosted at a service
[09:02] <Vivek> How do I provide a user name and password for automated servers I bring up via orchestra ?
[09:03] <Vivek> I have the server up and running but no login credentials.
[09:14] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:15] <eprasad> Hello koolhead11
[09:15] <koolhead11> eprasad: hi
[09:15] <eprasad> Vivek, what's the orchestra?
[09:18] <eprasad> Yup koolhead11 tell me
[09:31] <Vivek> eprasad: I did not get  you. What do you mean by 'what is the orchestra?' ?
[09:33] <eprasad> In last reply you mentioned that you bring up server via orchestra. I just want to know what is the orchestra here ?
[09:34] <koolhead11> !orchestra
[09:34] <Vivek> eprasad: Ubuntu Orchestra.
[09:35] <Vivek> eprasad: https://launchpad.net/orchestra
[09:35] <drt24> Vivek: so I think that tere is no password for login - it is done via ssh keys
[09:35] <Vivek> ok.
[09:35] <eprasad> Oh! ubuntu release codename :
[09:36] <drt24> eprasad: no.
[09:36] <Vivek> If I install 100 server do I need to set ssh keys for all th100 servers ?
[09:36] <Vivek> I don't think that is practical.
[09:36] <drt24> Vivek: the ssh key specified on the the control sever should get propagated to the servers that get created
[09:36] <drt24> automatically
[09:37] <eprasad> Oh, Got it, similar to kickstart in fedora
[09:38] <Vivek> Can you kindly point me to any docs ?
[09:38] <Vivek> eprasad: Orchesta is a cloud management software.
[09:39] <drt24> Vivek: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/getting-started-with-ubuntu-orchestra-servers-in-concert/ http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/09/oneiric-server-deploy-server-fleets-p1/
[09:39] <drt24> though I found that there were some issues not covered in those guides which took me a little while to work round.
[09:41] <drt24> still at a developer preview level of stability and documentation on the basis of my one attempt to use it with juju
[09:44] <Vivek> drt24: I have followed those docs.
[09:44] <Vivek> drt24: Point me to ssh key authetication section please.
[10:10] <drt24> sorry, I don't know where to find that.
[10:17] <Vivek> drt24: ok.
[10:17] <Vivek> But you just said that authentication was via ssh  keys, right ?
[10:19] <drt24> I think that it is - that is how I understand it to work, using passwords would be wrong.
[10:42] <alex__> hello everyone! how to make writing permissions in samba? i need it for different autentificated users.. how to add users, and manage permissions?
[10:44] <Vivek> drt24: No it is not, just figured out. The default user name is ububtu and password is ubuntu.
[10:44] <Vivek> drt24: I had to check the pre-seed file for it.
[10:44] <Vivek> alex__: Please ask in #samba
[10:45] <alex__> cheers mate!
[10:51] <drt24> Vivek: but you can't use that over ssh right?
[10:52] <Vivek> You can do that.
[10:52] <drt24>  /o\
[10:53] <Vivek> You can ssh into that newly deployed machine from the server as it has an I.P address range on the second ethernet card the same as the newly deployed machine.
[10:53] <Vivek> Not from the external world yes.
[10:54] <drt24> I still really dislike that.
[10:55] <drt24> one app on one node gets compromised and suddenly all your machines are compromised.
[13:11] <samba35> i have installed virtualbox on ubuntu and want to configure vde networking  after getting vde console i am not able run any command
[13:30] <Techdude101> Strange problem, I have 2 ubuntu machines, 1st has a samba share and when I mount it on the 2nd machine it changes the uid of the folder
[13:52] <zul> good morning
[13:58] <a_ok> I need an updated version of tar (1.23) on a Hardy machine. What would be the best way to achive this?
[14:02] <xranby> a_ok: try apt-get source tar  and rebuild the package using dpkg-buildpackage
[14:02] <xranby> also you need apt-get build-dep tar
[14:06] <a_ok> apt-get source tar gets mee 1.19 sources
[14:08] <drt24> a_ok: generally what I try is seeing if a later version of ubuntu has the package in the correct version and is still compatible with the dependencies in the version of ubuntu I am using.
[14:08] <a_ok> xranby, it seems that the only dependency that is different from the mavarick package is libc. could I use those sources?
[14:08] <xranby> yes
[14:09] <xranby> a_ok: hold your thumbs if it compiles then it most likely runs as well
[14:09] <xranby> a_ok: if it break then you get to keep the parts
[14:24] <a_ok> xranby, I can't figure out how dpkg-buildpackage works
[14:26] <a_ok> xranby, ah never mind need dpkg-source first ;)
[14:43] <goddard> my server keeps booting my out of my ssh session after i login I get "Connection to 1.1.1.1 closed."
[14:55] <uksysadmin> goddard, ssh -vvv 1.1.1.1 to see if that helps
[14:56] <uksysadmin> tail -f /var/log/{messages,syslog,secure} on the server
[14:56] <uksysadmin> (if you have alternative access to said server to tail the logs)
[15:06] <a_ok> xranby: I think everything ran succefull but now what?
[15:06] <xranby> cd ..
[15:07] <xranby> a_ok: you should have a .deb file built
[15:07] <xranby> a_ok: dpkg -i tar*.deb
[15:07] <a_ok> Ah lol now I see it ../tar_1.23....
[15:08] <xranby> a_ok: install it and then you should be using tar 1.23 on your hardy system
[15:08] <goddard> uksysadmin: gave me exit status 53
[15:08] <xranby> he did?
[15:09] <a_ok> Thanks xranby seems to work
[15:09] <xranby> a_ok: excellent! you have just done a backport of tar to hardy
[15:10] <xranby> goddard: sorry.. i thought something went wrong with a_ok deb install
[15:13] <goddard> xranby: no worries
[15:15] <yakster> hello all….
[15:15] <yakster> have an issue, perhaps one can help
[15:15] <yakster> what happened if I go to sudo a command, it says I must use "setuid root" - Install super, but I cannot sudo apt-get…. make sense?
[15:16] <yakster> anyone?
[15:19] <drt24> yakster: what is the command you are using?
[15:20] <yakster> sudo apt-get ….. but I can't sudo, says I need to setuid, can't set kid cause I don't have super installed, I can't sudo apt-get…. stuck in a loop…
[15:20] <drt24> what is the exact error message you get when you do sudo apt-get install <package>
[15:20] <drt24> where <package> is the package you are trying to install
[15:21] <yakster> "sudo apt-get install …. " package is not of the matter, I can't sudo ANYTHING…. says I must "setuid root"
[15:21] <drt24> what is the exact error message
[15:21] <xranby> yakster: do you have a root password set on this machine? if so then you can run su and login
[15:22] <yakster> ok, so you can't login as root, you have to login as a user then su?
[15:22] <uksysadmin> goddard, any other info? like - user not in allowed groups, or your key isn't accepted.. maybe disk full on your server?
[15:23] <drt24> your really really should not need to login as root
[15:23] <drt24> yakster: what is the exact error message you are getting?
[15:23] <xranby> yakster: it sounds to me like the sudo command have the wrong premissions set on your system so if thats the case ... check if you can access the package manager
[15:23] <xranby> and try remove and then reinstall sudo
[15:24] <yakster> sudo: must be setuid root
[15:24] <samba35> is there any gui program to start /install guest
[15:24] <drt24> so what does stat `which sudo` give you?
[15:25] <yakster> stat: cannot stat 'sudo' : No file or directory
[15:25] <drt24> so what does "which sudo" give you?
[15:26] <yakster> "/ usr /bin/sudo"
[15:26] <yakster> "/usr/bin/sudo"
[15:27] <drt24> and stat /usr/bin/sudo gives?
[15:27] <yakster> stat: cannot stat 'sudo' : No such file or directory
[15:29] <drt24> so stat /usr/bin/sudo fails with No such file or directory but /usr/bin/sudo gives must be setuid root?
[15:29] <drt24> odd.
[15:29] <yakster> yes
[15:30] <yakster> wtf well I have a wife looking at me anxiously, sparently I spend to much time on this damn thing….
[15:31] <yakster> I can't become root in aptitude, says it exited
[15:32] <drt24> so I suspect that xranby is right and that somehow your installation of sudo has got broken and needs to be reinstalled but doing that is harder without having sudo
[15:32] <yakster> yeah, ok thanks that is what I thought
[15:32] <yakster> thx… bye
[15:41] <a_ok> xranby: I tried to crosscompile for a am64 machine, this seemed to work (eg. it build fine) but when I try to start tar it says no such file /bin/tar and apt seems to need it
[15:44] <a_ok> it just packed it as amd64 but it contains i386 files
[15:51] <samba35> how to add time in grub /how to change default boot time of grub ?
[16:17] <rbasak> zul, could you review/upload https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/ubuntu/precise/ipxe/905099/+merge/86207 for me please?
[16:18] <zul> rbasak: sure gimme a few
[16:18] <rbasak> thanks!
[16:24] <zul> rbasak: done
[16:26] <rbasak> thanks zul!
[16:27] <xranby> a_ok: for best result, take the up to date source and built it on the hardy machine directly
[16:28] <xranby> a_ok: take the source from the i386 machine and copy it into the x86_64 hardy machine and then perform the build on the hardy machine
[16:29] <zul> rbasak: no probs
[17:03] <Dl145> Hi, I've tried a couple of installations of Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS AMD64 on my HP ProLiant Dl145 Server. im installing from a usb key.. The problem was, whenever I installed ubuntu, post installation when I booted up, there only was a blinking cursor.. Culdnt get to terminal or open Grub..
[17:04] <Dl145> Now I'm installing for the fourth time, and I've noticed that the drive (36 GB) on which i want to install ubuntu on, is called SDB and the USB key is called SDA..
[17:14] <lolufail> hi!
[17:14] <lolufail> what is more wise: new server on 12.04 daily build, or 11.10, and then upgrade to LTS as soon as it's available?
[18:43] <hallyn> lolufail: depends on what you are doing.  If there are customers accessing it, best to go with 10.04 or 11.10, not 12.04 yet!  12.04 is  under heavy development right now.
[19:19] <adam_g_> if anyone wants to help with this massive nova SRU verification, keeping track of whats been verified @ http://etherpad.ubuntu.com/nova-sru-verification-dec-2011
[19:27] <raubvogel> Will ubuntu 11.04 or above warn me of an expiring kerberos password? If so, how can I configure when it will warn me about impending doom?
[19:33] <patdk-wk> raubvogel, ask pam?
[19:55] <raubvogel> patdk-wk: trying to. I would think pam_krb5 would know, but it is not telling me.
[20:30] <raubvogel> nfs question: does the -N 2 option in rpc.mountd mean not to offer NFSv2?
[23:44] <twb> OK, I have a local apt repo made by hand with apt-ftparchive.  I have a bunch of hosts pointing at it.  ONE of those hosts doesn't trust the repo, and I can't see why.  They all have the repo's keys in listed apt-key.
[23:45] <twb> What else can I check?