[00:00] <ctuser> cabrerajorge2009@yahoo.es
[04:35] <HazRPG> Hmm, I have no sound on ubuntu... and having trouble diagnosing as to why... can someone please give me a hand?
[04:36] <HazRPG> alsa 1.0.23, Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[08:05] <MooDoo> hello al
[08:14] <sagaci> Hi
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: check /proc/asound/devices
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also ubuntu-bug audio
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it has some basic checks
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> (and files a bug if they fail :))
[08:27] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:30] <djones> Morning all
[08:30] <djones> Happy last minute, crazy week, pre christmas shopping time
[08:31] <bigcalm> Ug
[08:31] <bigcalm> I need to get myself to the postoffice
[08:32] <bigcalm> What time do they usually start?
[08:32] <djones> I think about 9am
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> 10:30?
[08:32] <bigcalm> Would rather go before work
[08:32] <bigcalm> Arse
[08:32] <bigcalm> Actually, I only need some stamps. I think that part of the shop will be open
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> If it's anything like .nl, they'll be open one hour after work starts, and they'll close 1-2 hours before it ends
[08:32] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> same as banks
[08:33] <bigcalm> They don't want your business then
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Obviously
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but sometimes other people send me stuff that ends up at the post office because it's too big for my letter box
[08:34] <bigcalm> Yeah, we have that option as well. But working from home has an advantage there
[08:34] <bigcalm> Except I'm sure that delivery drivers wait for me to leave the house to call
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> they try two days, then go to the post office
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> oh and they try around 13:00ish
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> so you can't even take HALF a day off
[08:35] <bigcalm> :)
[08:36] <bigcalm> It's nice to have something in common to grumble about ;)
[08:36]  * bigcalm pops off to the shop before he gets engrossed in work
[08:47] <christel> morning
[08:47] <MooDoo> morning
[08:49] <christel> it is really cold today
[08:50] <MooDoo> i don't mind the cold
[08:50] <christel> see, i wouldn't mind if it didn't feel warmer outside than it does inside
[08:50] <christel> :p
[08:50] <MooDoo> lol
[08:51] <christel> morning TheOpenSourcerer :)
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I used to live in a house like that christel. My 1st house in Bracknell was fairly modern with double glazing but the previous owner had removed the central (warm air) heating,
[08:51] <christel> DING
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> In the winter sometimes I'd open the front door to go to work and warm air would rush *IN* :-D
[08:52] <christel> this house was buildt in the 70s, the previous owner did indeed remove some of the radiators -- i suspect they didn't find radiators all that pretty
[08:53] <christel> so downstairs they removed them in the kitchen and the lounge, there's one radiator in the hallway (which well, does f all as i have an open staircase and it just goes straight upstairs) :)
[08:54] <christel> every winter since we moved here i've been saying "oh remind me to get some new radiators put in, at least in the kitchen (the majority of wall is window and patio doors)
[08:54] <christel> and then i promptly forget until it's really cold at which point i am not tempted to have any installed because it involves turning the central heating off whilst the plumber does his Thing!
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> We are having some issues with our central heating right now funnily enough. Need to get a plumber out to look at it. Seems to be working but the rads/hot water are just barely warm... :-(
[08:54] <christel> auchies
[08:56] <christel> christmas is not the time during which you want your central heating to give up the ghost!
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> indeed.
[09:13] <daubers> Morning
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: Like you think I would know?
[09:33] <bigcalm> Good morning christel :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> Gah, why does it have to be a pixel hunt to resize windows?
[09:42] <christel> morning bigcalm
[09:43] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: :) I dunno! You might know if you where getting him bits for christmas
[09:43] <daubers> Are they little spacemen or little knights?
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: Nah - I took him to a Game Workshop place a couple of weeks ago where he spent some of his hard saved cash. It's the 40,000 version if that helps?
[09:44] <daubers> Ah :) If he's relativley young and running of the advice from the staff, probably space marines
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> He's 11
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sounds like the right thing.
[09:44]  * daubers spent last night painting these http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1490005
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm.
[09:45] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Something like these I would imagine http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060074
[09:46] <daubers> I have a friend who plays space marines. They tend to fall pray to sheer brutal firepower of my armour every time :)
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[09:47]  * MooDoo keeps quiet :D
[09:47] <daubers> Painting the little models is surprisingly stress relieving
[09:47] <MooDoo> daubers: i know i've done it for years :D
[09:48] <daubers> MooDoo: 40k or fantasy?
[09:48] <MooDoo> daubers: 40k
[09:49] <daubers> Smurfs?
[09:49]  * daubers has yet to meet a smurfs player
[09:49] <MooDoo> daubers: no eldar harlequins
[09:50] <daubers> Ah, fair enough
[09:50] <daubers> My guard haven't faired well against any eldar force yet
[09:50] <daubers> need moar tanks
[09:51] <daubers> ...anyway....
[09:51] <daubers> Anyone know of any tools for writing DMI information from linux rather than DOS?
[09:59] <daubers> (Also, this was my desk at work the day after the works christmas do.... http://daubers.co.uk/~matt/thurs_after.jpg)
[10:14] <kiko> haro
[10:22] <popey> mmmm kenco
[10:26] <bigcalm> Mmmm Carte noire
[10:26] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:28] <kiko> just looking at Zorin os and wondering what its real raison d'etre is? Unless there is some real uner-the-bonnet difference, like some special wine integration out of the box, it essentially looks to be Ubuntu with a an ugly windows theme?
[10:29] <AlanBell> kiko: you would probably be best off asking the developers of Zorin
[10:30] <kiko> AlanBell: fair enough
[10:31] <directhex> never heard of it
[10:31] <kiko> just stumbled on it going through distrowatch looking for potential alternative to ubuntu
[10:32] <AlanBell> dunno why people keep making vanity operating systems rather than improving existing ones
[10:32] <kiko> there are a lot of ubuntu derivatives now, including zorin. the name caught my eye, as they were the evil company in the 80's bond film with grace jones
[10:33] <kiko> AlanBell: I agree... its one of teh down-sides of open-source I suppose.... I don't know whether the Debian community felt the same way about Mark going off and creating Ubuntu?
[10:33] <AlanBell> kiko: oh, very much so
[10:34] <AlanBell> but the debian community has many points of view
[10:35] <kiko> to be fair, I think Debian community would agree now, in the long run Ubuntu has brought something distinctly different
[10:36] <directhex> yeah. EVIL ACCEPTABILITY OF NON-FREE EVIL!
[10:36] <kiko> directhex: beacause they include propriety codecs out of the box? They're not the only ones.
[10:36] <directhex> EVIL!
[10:37] <AlanBell> that is one point of view :)
[10:38] <kiko> I like that there area  handful of various distros, but hundreds, different from one another by name and a theme only sometimes. Would be nice to see all that creative energy going into making better apps and improving existing distros instead of duplicating already existing work
[10:41] <bigcalm> A client's server is being upgraded to PHP 5.3. This will break the client's project. The server hosting company say that CGI PHP 5.2 will be available upon request. What would one need to do to make an existing PHP project use CGI instead?
[10:41]  * popey notes that Zorin OS claim to have ~500M users
[10:41] <popey> er, 500K users ☺
[10:42] <alex__> hello everyone! how to make writing permissions in samba? i need it for different autentificated users.. how to add users, and manage permissions?
[10:42] <bigcalm> alex__: I recommend using the samba web interface SWAT
[10:43] <alex__> :-?
[10:43] <bigcalm> alex__: alternatively, webmin
[10:43] <alex__> swat is not worked properly in my case
[10:43] <bigcalm> Samba is hell to configure :)
[10:43] <kiko> popey: never heard of them until last nite, but in 17th position on distrowatch
[10:44] <bigcalm> distrowatch stats mean nothing
[10:44] <bigcalm> Haven't people learnt this yet?
[10:44] <MooDoo> obviously not
[10:45] <popey> we mentioned them on the podcast nearly two weeks ago. this can only have helped
[10:50] <bigcalm> Last podcast of the year/season/series tomorrow
[10:50] <bigcalm> How will we cope?
[10:51] <popey> oh you'll cope
[10:51] <popey> its a fun one too
[10:51]  * bigcalm bites his nails
[10:51] <bigcalm> I'd love for the WC to gatecrash
[10:52] <popey> heh
[10:54] <kiko> my 11.04 install seems to be crumbling. Either old pc or its a bug. I've resisted upgrading to 11.10 because my system was working just fine, and not too keen [still] on Unity
[10:55] <bigcalm> kiko: there are alternatives to fighting
[10:55] <bigcalm> Erm, unity
[10:55] <bigcalm> StarWars stuck in my head now
[10:56] <bigcalm> I run xubuntu-desktop (xfce) and we get along fine
[10:56] <kiko> bigcalm: I do prefer gnome to xfce, although I haven't looked at xfce in a long time
[10:57] <bigcalm> I tried Unity, it didn't work with my 3 monitor setup, moved to xfce. It looks like gnome 2
[10:58] <kiko> xfce looks closer to gnome than kde but functionally quite different, no?
[10:58] <bigcalm> *shrug*
[10:58] <kiko> k
[10:58] <bigcalm> I'm less of a hacker and more of a user these days.
[10:58] <bigcalm> Spending my entire day on the computer has sapped geekyness from me
[10:59] <popey> bug 906246
[11:06] <kiko> "Pornbuntu distro coming soon" lol  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/nsfw-adult-lens-and-porn-scope-ready-for-testing/
[11:06] <smittix> bah bug 786325 hasnt been resolved yet :/
[11:07] <AlanBell> popey: with your usb creator thing, did you have 1024MB free space on that stick?
[11:10] <popey> AlanBell: no
[11:14] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~usb-creator-hackers/usb-creator/trunk/view/head:/usbcreator/misc.py#L21
[11:15] <popey> AlanBell: so it should let me select to have no persistence file
[11:15] <popey> which is what I want
[11:16] <AlanBell> yes, it is a bug, but that is why it is grey
[11:16] <AlanBell> I think it will not do a persistence file whatever it is set to
[11:17] <popey> thats not clear
[11:19] <czajkowski> morning
[11:21] <MooDoo> morning c\
[11:21] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[11:22] <jussi> czajkowski: are you sick?
[11:22] <alex__> czajkowski you are Russian?
[11:23] <czajkowski> jussi: very tied
[11:23] <czajkowski> alex__: no
[11:23] <czajkowski> MooDoo: hi
[11:23] <alex__> Polish?
[11:23] <jussi> I dont htink Ive ever seen czajkowski say "morning" as a greeting on irc before...
[11:23] <alex__> :)
[11:24] <czajkowski> alex__: no Irish.
[11:24] <czajkowski> jussi: yeah same on emails, if there is one missing means it's a cranky email
[11:24] <jussi> czajkowski: aww :(
[11:24] <alex__> huh.. czajkowski is great Russian musician
[11:25] <jussi> czajkowski: one of our sheep died on the weekend :(
[11:26] <czajkowski> alex__: it's a polish surname
[11:29] <MooDoo> jussi: normally she says aloha :D
[11:29] <jussi> MooDoo: thats correct ;)
[11:34] <AlanBell> my daughters are now arguing over whether firefox or chromium is the best browser for playing binweevils in
[11:37]  * popey frowns at hamitron's rdns
[11:38]  * hamitron frowns at popey's frown
[11:38] <hamitron> ;)
[11:40] <Twinkletoes> Most of the articles I've found about squid, talk of authentication using apache2-utils.  Is that more preferred than pam_auth for squid?
[11:46] <hoover> hi folks
[11:46] <jutnux> \o hoover
[11:46] <czajkowski> MooDoo: https://plus.google.com/103026851842985992505/posts  photographer from the weekend workshop
[11:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah had a look at the weekend, looks fab :)
[11:48] <czajkowski> MooDoo: it was nice and a reasonable price
[11:48] <czajkowski> MooDoo: Nice thing was once I uploaded my pics to G+ he went through and gave tips on soe of them
[11:49] <MooDoo> czajkowski: which is always good :)  are you getting into photography now?  or have you been for awhile and just putting stuff on net?
[11:51] <czajkowski> MooDoo: just like to play with the gadgets usually have my point and shoot nikon with me, but wanted to get better with my D40
[11:51] <czajkowski> MooDoo: http://pix.ie/czajkowski/1605210/in/album/355816
[11:52] <MooDoo> awww bless :)  I've just upgraded my D60 this weekend
[11:54] <Twinkletoes> I can find this manpage on pam_auth for squid, but can't find the package.  Am I missing anything?  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man8/squid3_pam_auth.8.html
[11:54] <czajkowski> MooDoo: as I don't know London well I went on a photo walk http://pix.ie/czajkowski/album/411941
[11:55] <AlanBell> you will have a cockney accent soon
[11:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: eh no
[11:57] <kiko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI&feature=related  bs media lies
[11:58] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i like them :D  are you on auto on your camera or are you using something else?
[11:58] <czajkowski> at the weekend auto was off
[11:58] <czajkowski> and set to A or M
[11:58] <czajkowski> on pix.ie stuff it varies
[11:58] <MooDoo> cool :D
[11:59] <czajkowski> not great at night shots on the DSLR
[11:59] <MooDoo> czajkowski: just purchased a Nikon D300s with battery grip :D
[11:59] <czajkowski> nice
[11:59] <czajkowski> one guy had a battery grip on his
[11:59] <czajkowski> tried to hold it hand is not big enough to balance it properly
[12:00] <MooDoo> it's easier when you're trying to do portraight shots and don't have to reach over the camera :)
[12:01] <czajkowski> true
[12:01] <czajkowski> http://pix.ie/czajkowski/2673613/size/800  was my fav from the weekend shot
[12:01] <bigcalm> czajkowski: that's lovely
[12:02] <czajkowski> thank you
[12:02] <bigcalm> Love the moody sky contrasting with the sun shining on the stone work
[12:02] <bigcalm> czajkowski: if you have an SLR, get a circular polarising filter - great for sky, water and cutting down reflections
[12:03] <MooDoo> nice
[12:03] <bigcalm> czajkowski: good use of the golden rule as well
[12:04] <AlanBell> what rule is that then?
[12:04] <bigcalm> The golden rule of 3rds
[12:04] <MooDoo> rule of thirds?
[12:04] <czajkowski> pure fluke in that case
[12:04] <bigcalm> Sorry, golden ratio, not rule
[12:05] <bigcalm> Some cameras will have an option to show a grid over the view to line things up
[12:06] <bigcalm> This is quite interesting: http://www.jakegarn.com/the-rule-of-thirds/
[12:08] <czajkowski> forn teh 29 quid we got over 3 hrs hands on workshop, leafelet and sticks to help us remember stuff.
[12:08] <czajkowski> it was definately worth it
[12:08] <bigcalm> Nice
[12:08] <czajkowski> bought it via groupon for 29 quid and its on again at 70% off
[12:09] <MooDoo> czajkowski: member of your local photography club?
[12:09] <AlanBell> bigcalm: thanks, that makes sense now, I was trying to figure out what thirds had to do with the golden ratio
[12:09] <bigcalm> Ah
[12:09] <czajkowski> MooDoo: nope
[12:10] <czajkowski> they'd proably be a lot more advanced than I am
[12:10] <bigcalm> I really wish I would make time to go out with my camera
[12:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you should, invaluable, you might be the youngest there by about 70 years but they are worth it.
[12:10] <bigcalm> czajkowski: the best way to improve your photography after being helped with the basics is to take more photos
[12:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: our has people that have never picked up a camera to ones that take photos with mobiles :D)
[12:10] <czajkowski> might look into that in the new year
[12:11] <czajkowski> I'm only here for one more day
[12:11] <bigcalm> There's a ruined abbey down the road from me. Must go there with a camera
[12:11] <czajkowski> bigcalm: next time you've a week off work I don't expect to see you on here, I expect to see some new pics!
[12:11] <czajkowski> deal!
[12:12] <bigcalm> Haha. Yeah, why not?
[12:13] <bigcalm> Can't I do both? :P
[12:13] <bigcalm> It's piddling it down today. Might be a good time to take moody shots of the abbey
[12:14] <MooDoo> bigcalm: czajkowski and any other photographer - http://prjmphotography.blogspot.com/2011/12/get-to-know-photographer.html
[12:16] <czajkowski> BTW, if anyone here is intereted in a similar photo workshop http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/south-london/mark-andreani-photography/2185215
[12:16] <czajkowski> he also runs more advanced ones
[12:16] <bigcalm> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=lilleshall+abbey&ll=52.724792,-2.389897&spn=0.00115,0.002334&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=lilleshall+abbey&hnear=lilleshall+abbey&cid=0,0,11426842566732760975&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=6
[12:16] <czajkowski> MooDoo: that;s a lot of questions!
[12:16] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i know :) :D
[12:17] <bigcalm> Who is this Paul Mellors fellow anyway?
[12:17] <bigcalm> Sounds a little nosey
[12:17] <czajkowski> MooDoo: poke tonytiger and gmb
[12:17] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah it's a right git ;)
[12:17] <bigcalm> MooDoo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy
[12:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski: will do thanks
[12:18] <MooDoo> bigcalm: rubbish ;)
[12:18] <bigcalm> \o/
[12:19] <bigcalm> I must admit, most of the photos on the 1st page aren't really concentrating on my photography and were used as a dumping ground
[12:19] <MooDoo> bigcalm: moi - http://www.flickr.com/photos/prjmellors/
[12:20] <czajkowski> ohh you know the way we have a rugby Ubuntu meet up
[12:21] <czajkowski> we should have a photogroup meet up
[12:21] <MooDoo> :)
[12:21] <MooDoo> good plan
[12:21] <bigcalm> :)
[12:21] <bigcalm> MooDoo: this your job?
[12:21] <MooDoo> bigcalm: nope, just a hobby, i would like it to be next year
[12:22] <bigcalm> Good luck :)
[12:22] <bigcalm> I turned my programming hobby into a job. But will always keep photography as a hobby
[12:22] <MooDoo> bigcalm: got a few weddings, done a few photoshoots, it's all a learning process
[12:23] <jutnux> Crisp Sandwich <3
[12:24] <bigcalm> I was about to say that you can tell a lot about a person's tastes by their 'favorites' section on flickr. But then I found you've only fave'd 1 photo!
[12:24] <MooDoo> lol yeah i don't tend to fave photos, just look
[12:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: and to be honest, i'm not sure why that's a fave
[12:26] <bigcalm> :)
[12:26] <MooDoo> bigcalm: s/was a fave :)
[12:26] <bigcalm> Ha
[12:32] <christel> i take rubbish pictures unfortunately, so i never really bother bringing my camera anywhere
[12:32] <MooDoo> christel: take it with you, get better :p
[12:32] <christel> hehe
[12:32] <bigcalm> That's the thing. The more you take the better you get
[12:33] <christel> i think i've used my dslr oh about 6 times since i got it like 3 years ago :s
[12:33] <christel> (it does, with the incredibly pricey sports lens, take some decent photos at the rugby and cricket, but that is down to the lens more so than me)
[12:34] <MooDoo> christel: the cam/lens only takes the photo, you tell it were to point etc
[12:34] <christel> ah but see, anything else i try to take photos of just comes out rubbish :P
[12:34] <bigcalm> Sport can be a bugger
[12:35] <bigcalm> A high ISO and an IS lens if you can
[12:35] <MooDoo> christel: change the lens, read the manual and then go play
[12:35] <MooDoo> bigcalm: you a canon fanboy?
[12:35] <bigcalm> No
[12:35] <bigcalm> I say IS as a generic term
[12:35] <MooDoo> ah
[12:35] <MooDoo> :D
[12:36]  * brobostigon remembers having to change the aperture etc and things manually on a camera.
[12:36] <MooDoo> not that there is anything wrong with canons :D
[12:36] <bigcalm> My dslr is a Canon EOS 350D though
[12:36] <bigcalm> Showing its age now
[12:36] <MooDoo> nice, i nearly came away with the eos 7d at the weekend
[12:38] <bigcalm> I really really want to reply to Barry Drake's mailing list email with "2012, the year of the Linux Desktop"
[12:38] <bigcalm> Do not feed the inner trolls
[12:40] <christel> mine is a canon also
[12:41]  * bigcalm zooms in on christel
[12:41] <christel> EOS 450D, wheter it's any good i have no idea
[12:41] <christel> since i am useless with it
[12:41] <MooDoo> i only went for nikon as that's the cam and lenses i already own, would be silly to have to restart my collection
[12:42] <bigcalm> christel: it's the newer version of my camera. Tis good, you should get to now it a little more :)
[12:42] <livingdaylight> bigcalm, testing xubuntu live :D
[12:42] <bigcalm> livingdaylight: glad people are willing to try something different
[12:43] <livingdaylight> bigcalm, most definitely. Would never have tried a linux-based os many years ago now, otherwise
[12:44] <bigcalm> Oh, haha. I meant something different to Unity. A different OS is good too :D
[12:44] <livingdaylight> yea ;)
[12:45] <livingdaylight> just have to see whether I can get used to xfce and what if any significant differnences there are
[12:45] <livingdaylight> no, regards, unity, impression I get is that a lot of people are willing to try something different.
[12:48] <christel> MooDoo: ah yes, lenses. i've spent more on lenses than i did on the body (a lot more) -- because i went through a phase of just buying * in the hope i'd take better photos with different lenses
[12:48] <bigcalm> :S
[12:48] <bigcalm> Decent glass costs sadly
[12:49] <christel> (and then i went a bit mad and actually purchased a weird telephoto lens -- i think i must have intended to take pictures of AlanBell from the other side of town)
[12:49]  * MooDoo just got given a 24-70 2.8 sigma, that's lovely
[12:49] <bigcalm> Hehe
[12:49] <christel> but it's like fifteen feet long and i've yet to work out how to hold it up even when the cmaera is on a tripod and the lens is on a monopod!
[12:49] <hoover_> hey biggie
[12:50] <bigcalm> Howdy hoovie :)
[12:50] <bigcalm> Do I go out in the rain and take photos of the abbey, or stay in the warm and play minecraft?
[12:50] <hoover_> minecraft
[12:50] <hoover_> ;-)
[12:50] <christel> .~@?.;l,mkwe~e
[12:50] <christel> er sorry, helpful small hands
[12:50] <bigcalm> Hi David
[12:51] <hoover_> Sweet ;-)
[12:51] <czajkowski> bigcalm: photos!
[12:51] <christel> photos of minecraft!
[12:51] <Twinkletoes> Although the ubuntu manpages have an entry for pam_auth (for squid) it's not in the repos.  Do I just go ahead and create my own pam file for squid?
[12:52] <hoover_> I've taken up simflying again... Falcon 4 BMS 4.32
[12:53] <hoover_> terrible time killer like Minecraft ;-)
[13:30] <HazRPG> hmm, MartijnVdS, thanks... just ran it and it said "This is not a genuine Ubuntu package" at the end o.O
[13:49] <hoover_> cheers all
[15:07]  * Twinkletoes notices everyone is asleep
[15:07] <andylockran> I is awake
[15:08]  * MooDoo is awake
[15:08] <MooDoo> just
[15:13]  * jutnux is awake
[15:24]  * mattt is sweeping
[15:34] <czajkowski> any london folks here, how do ye normally get to heathrow?
[15:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: When I lived in Fulham I just got a taxi.
[15:35] <directhex> prayer
[15:35] <directhex> lots of it]
[15:36] <czajkowski> directhex: no jinxing me
[15:36] <czajkowski> flight at 10am
[15:36] <directhex> i've taken the tube to get to the airport before, but urgh
[15:36] <directhex> it's like zone 10 million, and crowded all the way
[15:36] <czajkowski> tfl saying go to picdally circus
[15:36] <czajkowski> another site says via padington
[15:36] <czajkowski> and I hate paddington
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> But then my firm were paying (or a Virgin Chauffeur picked me up).
[15:36] <jutnux> czajkowski: would probably be easier to book a helicopter
[15:36] <directhex> tbh i take the bus given the option
[15:36] <directhex> or even better, book a hotel&park nearby for the nighr before
[15:37] <directhex> no frantic travel on the day of your flight, just a short shuttle bus to heathrow from your hotel
[15:37] <czajkowski> directhex: I live smack bang in london, in theory it shou;dnt be an issue
[15:48] <bigcalm> Oh my
[15:48] <bigcalm> A coworker of Hayley has their business email using MS Comic Sans
[15:48] <christel> oh dear
[15:48] <bigcalm> This is in the council
[15:48]  * bigcalm shakes his head
[15:50]  * jutnux brandishes shotgun
[15:54] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: Any half-decent business doesn't use html at all in emails ;)
[15:56] <bigcalm> This is the council
[15:57] <jutnux> Anyone here use nVidia and KDE?
[15:57] <jutnux> My fonts just went super tiny.
[15:59] <directhex> jutnux, nope, you just grew super huge
[15:59] <directhex> easy mistake to make
[16:00] <directhex> next time, avoid eating mysterious cakes with "eat me" on the box
[16:01] <ali1234> lol, classic
[16:01] <ali1234> KDE has been doing that since 3.0
[16:01] <jutnux> It's never done it before.
[16:01] <jutnux> Any pointers? <3
[16:01] <ali1234> it doesn't do it every time
[16:01]  * jutnux kicks directhex
[16:01] <directhex> try the bottle marked "drink me"
[16:02] <ali1234> yes, override the display DPI in xorg.conf
[16:02] <ali1234> it will probably still do it though
[16:02] <jutnux> The problem: I don't seem to have an xorg.conf
[16:02] <jutnux> At least not in the usual place
[16:02] <ali1234> install nvidia binary driver first then
[16:10] <jutnux> Ugh, it's still being a bitch
[16:17] <jutnux> Fixed it, just forced the DPI on the fonts.
[16:45] <zleap> hello
[16:46] <Twinkletoes> Yo
[16:49] <jacobw> does anyone know how to get the adsl username and password from a sky dg934g type router?
[16:49] <jacobw> evening zleap
[16:49] <MooDoo> http://www.skyuser.co.uk/tutorials/username_password_from_a_sky_dg934g_router.html
[16:49] <Twinkletoes> jacobw: Yes
[16:49] <Twinkletoes> jacobw: Backup the config file and read it in a text editor
[16:50] <Twinkletoes> jacobw: Oh, I see - they've najjered the firmware.  I used a procedure to upgrade my sky-supplied one with a standard, some time ago
[16:52] <jacobw> yes, the firmware keeps the adsl credentials from the user
[16:52] <bigcalm> They don't want you using 3rd party hardware
[16:52] <bigcalm> As it will break their terms of service
[16:52] <bigcalm> People do it anyway
[16:53] <jacobw> hmm, its not mine to upgrade the firmware off
[16:54] <jacobw> somewhat irritating seen as it takes a random amount of time to initalise its adsl connection
[16:55] <jacobw> o/ daubers
[16:57] <jacobw> bigcalm: i think they'd have less calls to technical support if they made it easy to keep a backup router with the adsl credentials in case of problems
[16:57] <jacobw> bigcalm: however, that assumes that more than 0.1% of people would do that :|
[17:13] <ali1234> jacobw: disassemble the router and find the serial port
[17:13] <ali1234> netgears always seem to have one
[17:14] <jacobw> ali1234: i think that would void the technical support too
[17:14] <ali1234> then you can look at what user/pass pppd is using
[17:14] <jacobw> ali1234: its my landlords device
[17:14] <ali1234> my old netgear could be disassembled without damaging any stickers
[17:15] <ali1234> also try enabling telnet login
[17:15] <ali1234> go to 192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug
[17:15] <ali1234> if that doesn't work there is another thing you can try
[17:16] <ali1234> some windows tool that you run and it enabled telnet
[17:17] <zleap> just redone my posters to include qr codes
[17:17] <jacobw> i considered connecting the adsl the the adsl of a more friendly router and dumping the incoming pap/chap traffic
[17:17] <ali1234> what
[17:17] <ali1234> that doesn't work
[17:17] <jacobw> iirc, pap sends passwords in the clear whereas chap doesn't
[17:18] <ali1234> you cant connect dsl modems back to back
[17:19] <jacobw> why not?
[17:20] <MooDoo> :q!
[17:20] <MooDoo> ooops
[17:20] <ali1234> i dunno. try it
[17:20] <ali1234> let me know if it works
[17:20] <ali1234> i'll be very suprised
[17:25] <jacobw> i'm reading about the windows tool now
[17:27] <bigcalm> That sounds like an insult
[17:27] <bigcalm> Calling somebody a windows tool
[17:29] <jacobw> :)
[17:30] <jacobw> i'm not going to mess with adsl routers shortly before christmas
[17:30] <jacobw> it'll have to wait :|
[18:17] <zleap> hello
[18:17] <zleap> i mean hello
[18:29] <zleap> hi MonsterKiller
[18:32] <directhex> STEAMSALEOMG
[21:55] <BIGP33> HI ALL
[21:56] <BIGP33> #uk
[22:13] <jacobw> who uses giffgaff?