[00:26] <joshuas-dad> soreau yes i do
[00:26] <soreau> then what's the problem
[00:27] <joshuas-dad> it doesnt connect, i dont see any wireless networks
[00:27] <soreau> What happens if you try 'sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i ssid'
[00:28] <joshuas-dad> yup that works
[00:28] <soreau> so the driver is probably working but whatever other tool you're trying to use for connection isn't
[00:29] <soreau> What's showing no AP's?
[00:29] <joshuas-dad> i am just using network connections in xubuntu
[00:30] <soreau> What is the output of 'service network-manager status'?
[00:31] <joshuas-dad> start/running process 857
[00:31] <soreau> and when you click on the network icon in the panel, does it say wireless networks?
[00:32] <CrownWheel> Hey, Xubuntu-ites.  Question about installing from a Live distribution.
[00:32] <joshuas-dad> yup, just doesnt show any available
[00:32] <soreau> joshuas-dad: Is it a usb device you plugged in?
[00:32] <joshuas-dad> yes, it is a usb device
[00:32] <soreau> Does it work if you restart network-manager with 'sudo service network-manager restart'?
[00:33] <CrownWheel> I'm running a USB flash drive with Xubuntu 11.10, with a 2GB persistant file. I've installed several packages.  I'm pretty happy with the system.
[00:33] <fschuindt> someone knows why can't I change my window top bar theme?
[00:33] <CrownWheel> How can I tell how much of the real hard drive I'll need when I install?
[00:34] <joshuas-dad> no, i can only manually add
[00:34] <soreau> joshuas-dad: Can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file to pastebin.com?
[00:35] <CrownWheel> And, is the install process "smart" enough to install the system on the USB drive as-is?  That would be sweet, because then the USB drive becomes a backup of the custom install.
[00:36] <joshuas-dad> there is only a couple lines
[00:36] <joshuas-dad> can i paste here
[00:36] <soreau> joshuas-dad: Do you have 'Enable Networking' and 'Enable Wireless' checked in the network dropdown menu?
[00:37] <joshuas-dad> is that in settings?
[00:37] <soreau> just when you left-click on the network icon in the panel
[00:40] <joshuas-dad> i do now, and it is working. thanks for the help
[00:40] <soreau> No problem ;-)
[01:26] <CrownWheel> When I use the desktop Install icon, will it do a clean install, or install the system (and packages) from my Live USB install, as-is?
[01:27] <knome> clean install
[01:27] <CrownWheel> any way to get the as-is system onto the HD?
[01:27] <knome> not really
[01:28] <CrownWheel> Then the USB drive becomes a backup/revert image and, man, that'd be sweet.
[01:28] <CrownWheel> alright.  thanks, knome.
[01:43] <pacy_> with dd ?
[01:44] <pacy_> CrownWheel, http://www.backuphowto.info/linux-backup-hard-disk-clone-dd
[05:04] <CrownWheel> pacy__, just spotted your message from hours and hours ago.  Thanks for the link.
[06:07] <bigbrovar> .
[06:10] <ball> What kind of fonts does Xubuntu support and where do they live (where do I put new ones)?
[06:23] <qrq> xubuntu laggs my pc :D
[06:29] <TheSheep> ball: ttf and otf and you pput them in ~/.fonts then run fc-cache
[06:30] <ball> Thanks!
[06:30]  * ball tries it
[06:32] <ball> TheSheep: That worked beautifully, thanks!
[06:33] <qrq> Why xubuntu laggs so much?
[06:33] <qrq> Debian with XFCE don't :)
[06:34] <qrq> And my specs arent so bad.
[06:34] <qrq> AMD Athlon 64 1600 MHZ , 1024 RAM
[06:35] <qrq> Ubuntu Autoupdates takes 40% of CPU :D
[06:35] <qrq> I mean indicator.
[06:37] <ball> It seems to work very well on the Intel Atom machines I've tried it on.
[06:38] <ball> qrq: What kind of "lag" are you seeing?
[06:38] <qrq> 40% of CPU is taken constantly by update applet.
[06:39] <ball> qrq: Have you let the update applet run and complete?
[06:40] <qrq> Yes
[06:40] <qrq> System is updated
[06:40] <qrq> Next thing is some root lightdm script :D
[06:41] <qrq> Which is really mean for CPU too.
[06:42] <ball> I have to iron a shirt. I leave for work in about five hours.
[06:43] <ball> qrq: I hope you get that figured out.  BTW, how much cache does your Athlon 64 have?
[06:43] <qrq> ball I don't really know.
[06:43] <qrq> I never had such problems on 10.04 xubuntu
[06:44] <qrq> And it seems I will stick with 10.04
[06:46] <ball> If an Atom handles it, I'm surprised an Athlon 64 doesn't.
[06:47] <qrq> I installed 11.10 yestarday
[06:48] <qrq> Before this I had 10.04 and it works normaly
[06:48] <qrq> Worked.
[07:09] <ball> I's fall back to 10.4 then.
[07:18] <onyx> hi. can I to talk with somebody?
[07:19] <Paimun> You certainly -can-
[07:20] <onyx> I want to ask my question about video in my xubuntu 11.10
[07:21] <Paimun> you could probably do it then
[07:21] <Paimun> don't ask to ask
[07:25] <ball> onyx: What is your question?
[07:25] <onyx> thanks. well, video in my system play with wrong colours. flash into firefox play right. I have try all 4 variants video drivers, that in my system, but nothing  change
[07:27] <ball> onyx: Have you seen this with several different video players?
[07:27] <onyx> yes. I have try it with vlc, gmplayer,gxine
[07:28] <ball> onyx: Was okay with previous versions of Xubuntu?
[07:31] <onyx> it is my first xubuntu. before i use ubuntu. there was all right. now i has try several distributives . mandriva. crunchbang... there all right too
[07:34] <ball> Are you using the vendor's video driver or an open source one?
[07:38] <onyx> I use proprietary driver that xubuntu offer to me. Nvidia ver.173, ver 173-update, current, current-updates.
[08:50] <Cybertinus> topic
[08:50] <Cybertinus> let's put a / in front of that :p
[09:19] <onyx> is here russian?
[09:19] <Unit193> !ru | onyx
[11:00] <simon___> Hello. Is there a way to use a "Network" button in Thunar like under Gnome ?
[11:00] <simon___> Because I want to connect to smb clients with thunar
[11:01] <Sysi> go there and press Ctl L, you can type address (smb://)
[11:01] <Sysi> you can browse hosts with gigolo
[11:02] <simon___> okay...funny....last time the input wasn't valid (Can not press open)
[11:02] <simon___> thanks
[11:35] <Kaapa> hey there - trying to install sun's java, but when I do a update-alternatives --config java I get "There is only one alternative in link group java: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java"
[11:35] <Kaapa> any tips?
[11:41] <Kaapa> woot - done
[11:49] <Kaapa> another question - how can I change the email I supplierd in the notifier?
[12:49] <livingdaylight> Hi testing xubuntu live cd. Does the real install update FF? live has version7 here
[12:51] <ablomen> livingdaylight, yeah it updates to 8 when you install
[12:51] <ablomen> it will always update some time later then the mozilla release though, since they have to package and test it etc
[12:52] <livingdaylight> ablomen, thank you. Just testing live cd. Previously, used Ubuntu, but looking for alternative to Unity
[12:53] <ablomen> livingdaylight, ok well firefox etc are exactly the same as ubuntu (it comes from the same repositorie) it just installs different packages (like the desktop env etc)
[12:54] <livingdaylight> yea... xfce doesn't use Nautilus for e.g.
[12:54] <ablomen> indeed
[12:55] <livingdaylight> thunar i see
[12:57] <livingdaylight> can thunar split into two panes? In Nautilus F3 splits the file manager into two panels, if you know what I mean. Something I do a lot and very practical
[12:58] <ablomen> livingdaylight, nope it can't, but you are free to use whatever file manager you want
[12:59] <livingdaylight> ablomen, so, one could install nautilus for e.g.? its compatible with this window manager too?
[12:59] <ablomen> i think pcmanfm is a popular alternative for thunar in the xfce comunity
[12:59] <livingdaylight> i see, never heard of it. I'd have to try that out then.
[13:00] <livingdaylight> I'm not hung up about particular applications as much as particular functionality that I either got used to or find useful.
[13:00] <ablomen> well nautilus is a bit different here, because in gnome it also handles the desktop, and by default it starts a desktop over the xfce desktop in xfce
[13:01] <livingdaylight> as long as its easy to open two file managers side by side for easy and quick copy and pasting.
[13:01] <ablomen> but most other file managers work fine, and i think you can even tweak nautilus too to only be a file manager, if you really want to use it
[13:01] <livingdaylight> or picking up and dropping as it were in this case
[13:01] <ablomen> well you can always press ctrl+n in thunar, that opens another window in the same folder, don't know if that is enough
[13:02] <ablomen> (it is for me anyway)
[13:02] <livingdaylight> thx. I see that opens another window - yes.
[13:02] <livingdaylight> by same window you mean same workspace?
[13:04] <ablomen> i said same folder, so it opens a new thunar with the same path as the current directory
[13:04] <livingdaylight> can we still install sun-java easy enough. I know that has changed across the board in all *buntu systems since 11.10
[13:04] <livingdaylight> oh, i see what you mean... yes, that would do
[13:08] <ablomen> i'm not sure on that one, i have it installed here, but this was before all the oracle discontinuing the os java vm talk etc
[13:09] <livingdaylight> so, are you still on 11.04 too
[13:11] <ablomen> no, but i updated
[13:11] <ablomen> did not do a fresh install
[13:11] <livingdaylight> you mean upgraded?
[13:12] <livingdaylight> Does upgrade not remove things like that?
[13:12] <ablomen> oh wait i guess it did switch to openjdk
[13:13] <ablomen> hmm, well minecraft works anyway ;)
[13:13] <livingdaylight> yea, would've thought so... oh, well, if you haven't noticed a difference then that is good :)
[13:22] <livingdaylight> I'm gonna back up my home dir and give xubuntu a go
[15:35] <livingdaylight> Hi
[15:36] <livingdaylight> To install proprietary codecs is there a how to page, so I can selct individually rather than just enableing the default restricted
[15:37] <livingdaylight> and is it normal that there is no login sound?
[15:37] <ablomen> yes
[15:38] <Sysi> no login sound is default, search for gstreamer-plugins in synaptic or software center to install codecs
[15:39] <livingdaylight> thanks
[15:40] <livingdaylight> are there any particularly good and useful xubuntu specific how to sites for getting a fresh install up to speed?
[15:42] <Sysi> xubuntu is pretty simple, fiddle with settings and try stuff with panels, rest of it is often same than on regular ubuntu
[15:42] <Sysi> xfce docs have some useful info
[15:44] <livingdaylight> ok, thanks. I'm thinking particularly regards, proprietary codecs. You're saying I can follow reguular ubuntu-centric guides; they apply equally
[15:44] <Sysi> codecs and stuff are the same on both
[15:45] <ablomen> livingdaylight, i always install vlc, mplayer and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, that way you can play basicly anything (with a few uncommon exceptions)
[15:46] <Sysi> really either vlc or mplayer(-gnome) is needed, not really both
[15:47] <ablomen> depends, mplayer does not play nice with some codecs, same for vlc but yeah for basic usage i'd say go for mplayer-gnome (bit faster then vlc)
[15:47] <Sysi> parole should play pretty much everything with gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and -ugly and that --ffmpeg
[15:49] <livingdaylight> parole?
[15:50] <Sysi> default player
[15:50] <livingdaylight> yes, I see... never heard of it :)
[15:50] <livingdaylight> xfce's version of totem ?
[15:50] <Sysi> kind of
[15:51] <livingdaylight> ok, update complete, reboot
[16:08] <xubuntu222> hey do you know how much space you need to install xubuntu on?
[16:08] <Sysi> 4.5GB
[16:08] <xubuntu222> damn
[16:08] <Sysi> a bit less with alternate disk
[16:08] <xubuntu222> my hard drive broke and i only have a 4 gig stick with me...
[16:09] <xubuntu222> thy
[16:10] <ablomen> xubuntu222, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD << you can add only the packages you need with this
[16:12] <Yggdrasil_> hi, i have a pentium 64 bit
[16:12] <Yggdrasil_> do i still download the am64 iso ?
[16:12] <xubuntu222> yes i guess i for now try to install some minamal puppy linux on my stick
[16:12] <Yggdrasil_> amd64
[16:12] <xubuntu222> would be the most sensitive thing
[16:12] <xubuntu222> godby
[16:14] <ablomen> Yggdrasil_, yeah that works fine
[16:14] <Yggdrasil_> ok thought so thanks
[16:14] <Yggdrasil_> gonna get me a linux box in my vmware.
[18:18] <vithos> yo, how do i get the disk performance monitor xfce plugin to work?
[18:18] <tuttincoro> does xubuntu include wubi?
[18:18] <TheSheep> tuttincoro: yes
[18:18] <TheSheep> vithos: yo, what's the error?
[18:19] <vithos> the indicator never shows any activity
[18:19] <vithos> even if i run something like the `stress --hdd 1`
[18:23] <TheSheep> vithos: looks like it only works with 2.4 and 2.6 kernels
[18:23] <TheSheep> vithos: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-diskperf-plugin
[18:24] <vithos> that's weird, i thought 3.0 didn't have any changes :D
[18:25] <vithos> thanks
[18:26] <TheSheep> vithos: I'm not 100% that this is the source of the problem
[18:27] <TheSheep> vithos: perhaps you just need to recompile with that flag enabled
[18:27] <vithos> i'll see if i can manage to do that
[18:57] <Kurdistan> guys/girls have the boot time in xubuntu got slower compare to lucid?
[19:00] <pleia2> Kurdistan: yes, the ubuntu devs are working on getting the bootup time shorter again for 12.04
[19:01] <Kurdistan> pleia2, I thought in ubuntu, unity was the reason of the slow boot speed.
[19:01] <Kurdistan> did not think xubuntu would effect
[19:02] <pleia2> xubuntu and ubuntu share a lot of the same startup processes
[19:04] <Kurdistan> :) yes thats true
[19:07] <girafe> so xubuntu is the new flavor that replaces unity ?
[19:08] <Pici> No?
[19:08] <Pici> xubuntu uses xfce. ubuntu uses gnome3+unity
[19:25] <Aicasn> is anyone else having big trouble with 11.1?  general instability in multiple apps?  graphics problems?
[19:26] <Aicasn> feels a lot like a beta on my end
[19:29] <baizon> not at all :)
[19:29] <baizon> everything working fine for me
[19:32] <Kurdistan> Aicasn, what are you using, graphic card?
[19:33] <baizon> ATi 6320
[19:33] <Aicasn> nv gtx 260
[19:33] <baizon> ah sorry not me xD
[19:34] <Kurdistan> Aicasn, have you looked on launchpad or nvnews for bugrapports?
[19:35] <Kurdistan> I have myself problem with the latest stable nvidia drivers
[19:35] <Aicasn> nope. i only played with it long enough over the weekend to see that it wasn't suitable as my primary os
[19:36] <Aicasn> i'll stick that on my to-do list.  i do want to help if i'm in the minority in terms of user experience. i was just curious if many folks were having these problems
[19:44] <Sysi> Aicasn: did you install nvidia driver or were you usinf the default one? even if card isn't brand new the default driver probably works badly
[19:48] <Aicasn> used both nv drivers. same difference between them
[19:55] <carson_ward> loaded xubuntu for the first time a month ago and i am impressed. after years of rpm hell this is nice.
[20:19] <Aicasn> i stuck a SSD in my home machine to boot and run OS files off of. what's the best way to ensure that /, /boot, and /usr all run off of the SSD, but /home, /var, /etc, ...  run from the normal drive?  i couldn't find a way to separate the partitions (especially /var) because some of them need to be available during bootup
[20:26] <Sysi> Aicasn: why wouldn't you put /var to ssd too? you could just have one partition for / on ssd and data partition on hdd
[20:26] <Aicasn> Sysi: because /var gets a lot of read/write activity.  temp files, log files, etc.  it's unnecessary wear on the ssd.
[20:27] <Aicasn> i'd rather have that on the gears and levers hard drive
[20:27] <Sysi> Aicasn: it's hardly possible to burn out ssd faster than hdd
[20:27] <Sysi> the more writes, the more reason I'd see to have it on afster drive..
[20:28] <Aicasn> i realize that, but those read/write's aren't really bottlenecks. they're fast anyway.
[20:29] <Sysi> what ssd? vertex2 should last at least three years on hard daily usage, vertex3 a little less
[20:29] <Aicasn> hmm.... corsair 128gb i believe
[20:30] <Aicasn> so, back to my original question, is it possible to keep /var on a separate partition without xbuntu 11.1 getting mad at me?
[20:31] <Aicasn> i redicrected enough stuff to / from /var to get it to boot, but it still acts  very unstable
[20:36] <Cybertinus> Aicasn: sure. Just make it a seperate partition, make sure it is in your fstab, and has the correct mountpoint and it should work without a hitch
[20:37] <Aicasn> i put it on my /home partition.  i have /boot, /, and /home.   it was  /home/system/var -> /var
[20:37] <Aicasn> didn't like that very much at all
[20:37] <Aicasn> i had to  /var/run -> /run  and something else i can't recall just to get it to boot
[21:48] <Wazzaaa> Greetings, Xubuntu users. In the Ubuntu Software Center I can no longer see the xubuntu-desktop package
[21:48] <Wazzaaa> can you see it ?
[21:49] <TheSheep> !info xubuntu-desktop
[21:49] <Wazzaaa> and/or how ot install Xubuntu so that I can choose Xubuntu from the Session menu on the login screen.
[21:52] <Wazzaaa> yep, found it
[21:52] <Wazzaaa> thanks people of the interwebz
[22:20] <pacy_> hey there
[22:20] <knome> hello