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Riddellu2san: yes00:00
Riddellprecise testers needed00:00
Riddell(beta)00:01
u2sanwhich ppa?  IMO you'd get more testing if put in main repo?00:01
Riddellsecret ninjas PPA. it'll go in the main archive once I know it all builds and I've not done anything stupid00:06
u2sanstaging looks empty/or perhaps private?  experimental is only 4.7.2?00:07
Riddell~kubuntu-ninjas00:07
RiddellI can give people access00:08
u2sanok.. let me check00:08
Riddelloh well00:17
BarkingFishspeaking of ninjas, Riddell - did you manage to get someone to sort the wiki out so I can add the 4.7.4 results to it?00:33
Riddellnot trued sorry00:35
Riddelltried00:35
BarkingFishdang#00:59
BarkingFishI guess I can give it another quick try00:59
BarkingFishRiddell: it's still broken.  I get as far as clicking the OpenID login button, and it goes straight to an internal server error.01:03
BarkingFishIf you let me know who to speak to, I'll go talk to them :)01:03
RiddellBarkingFish: file an rt ticket with canonical sysadmin01:16
BarkingFish0.o01:17
BarkingFishok...01:17
BarkingFishi would, if i could find out where I file it :)01:19
micahgBarkingFish: rt@ubuntu.com01:20
BarkingFish#1905401:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: hah ... 10:45
ybitWas wondering if users can contribute patches to the website?10:54
ybitKudos to those who have worked on it, but imho, it's pretty stale compared to ubuntu.com10:55
ybitIt seems the wiki is starting to get some nice overhauls10:55
ybitHas more of the streamlined appearance10:55
shadeslayerybit: probably best to write to the ML :)10:56
ybitml?10:56
shadeslayerMailing List10:56
shadeslayerybit: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel10:56
ybiti knew you weren't talking about the programming lang10:56
ybitthanks10:56
shadeslayerHehe, best to explain what you want to do, some mockups would be nice10:57
Riddellthe website is fiddly to change alas11:13
Riddellneeds someone who knos drupal and can deal with the sysadmins11:13
ScottKRiddell: 4.7.3 is now in -updates, so I think we need a web site announcement of that and 4.7.4 in the PPA for testing.11:35
jussihas anyone tried razorqt yet? Its _super_ fast11:42
apacheloggerits kde with a less usefull plazmar11:46
RiddellScottK: ack11:55
Riddellbulldog98_: "Riddell: pim-runtime override error /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.MixedMaildir.Settings.xml is also in the -dev" which -dev?12:10
Riddellhmm, is it an issue if I use this version number for 4.8 beta oneiric builds? kde-workspace - 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 12:41
ScottKRiddell: I'd do 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 or 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu0.1~ppa113:04
ScottKSince there will be more 4.8 releases though I don't think it's a big deal.13:04
RiddellScottK: yeah, thing is I already uploaded it to the ninjas PPA with 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 and not sure I can be bothered reuploading and compiling it13:05
ScottKThen I'd leave it.13:05
Riddellgot 4.7.4 all instaled, working here, even kontact13:29
Riddelland I found a nice lightdm blog entry in akregator http://www.sharpley.org.uk/node/2613:29
ScottKhttps://skitterman.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/using-kontactkmail-again/13:44
Riddellyay, you've come home13:47
ScottKAll it takes is working software.13:49
ScottKI've even got contact and calender syncing working using akonadi googledata laptop -> phone/desktop and the reverse.13:50
Riddellunlike my e-mail server setup which has just stopped delivering e-mail because my inbox is 80MB sigh13:56
Riddellmaybe I should switcdh it to akonadi13:56
ScottKHeh.  No.  Don't do that.14:09
jussiScottK: how the heck did you get calendar sync working with gcal?14:22
* jussi has tried and failed...14:22
ScottKjussi: Did you use akonadi-kde-resource-googledata ?14:22
ScottKWFM on oneiric with 4.4.73.14:22
jussiyes, I installed from the repos/ppa14:23
ScottKErr 4.7.3.14:23
ScottKDunno then.  14:23
ScottKIt does have the annoying habit of complaining every single error it sees is an invalid userid/password.14:24
jussioh wait? now it seems to be working.... 14:24
jussiyeah, I had lots of complaints about invalid userid/password14:24
jussiwell then... might be able to actually use kontact again...14:27
=== rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter
_Groo_hi/2 all18:27
_Groo_i just upgraded from 4.7.4 to 4.7.90 in oneiric...18:27
_Groo_plasma-desktop is crashing along with kdaemon18:28
_Groo_anyone else is seeing similar problems?18:28
_Groo_ninja ppa btw18:28
Riddellgoing to install it shortly18:31
Riddellwhat happens if you install libkactivities18:31
BarkingFishRiddell: I managed to submit an RT ticket for the site, someone says they're able to log in perfectly well on the wiki.  I still can't however, so I've sent it back to RT again18:33
_Groo_anyone wants a dump for plasma and kded4 that are crashing here? ninja 4.7.90 oneiric18:35
_Groo_aparently its borking in the systray part18:35
cmagina_Groo_: do you have the weather applet enabled?18:36
cmagina_Groo_: nm, just remembered the issue i hit was actually fixed18:37
_Groo_cmagina: i tried with a fresh account, which created the default desktop, same crashes in both kded4 and plasma-desktop18:38
_Groo_im using unity while i wait for a fix :P18:38
_Groo_i found out what is the problem 18:50
_Groo_is the plasma-widget-networkmanagement thats crashing systemtray.so and taking kded4 and plasma-desktop with it18:50
_Groo_needs to be upgraded in the ppa to the new abi18:51
_Groo_brb relogging to kde18:51
Riddellhum18:54
Riddellthis is going to need more ec2 machines18:55
yofelsomething for precise: once 4.7.90 is in the archive oxygen-gtk needs a rebuild - I got coloring issues in gtk apps until I rebuilt it19:15
yofeland does someone know how QML loads the Qt libraries? My device notifier doesn't work thanks to multiarch http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/devn.png19:16
_Groo_Riddell: ping19:37
_Groo_anyone porting plasma-network-manager for 4.7.90 oneiric in ninja ppa?19:40
Riddellyes I'll rebuild it19:42
Riddellthanks _Groo_ 19:42
Riddellalthough I'm curious to know what's not binary compatible, I did check all the libraries19:42
_Groo_Riddell: the developer in is blog explictly says the ABI is broken since he changed things to work with the new API in new soild in 4.819:44
_Groo_so for 4.7.x use "legacy" plasma-nm, 4.8 forward, new nm19:44
BarkingFishRiddell: finally managed to get into the wiki at last, I've added my notes to the 4.7.4 table19:45
Riddellthanks  BarkingFish 19:45
BarkingFishI'll cancel the RT ticket now, or at least let them know I can get in19:45
yofelwouldn't it make sense to backport the newer pnm from precise then?19:45
_Groo_yofel: prolly yofel19:46
_Groo_want me to find out the developer blog?19:46
Riddell_Groo_: got a link for that blog?19:46
_Groo_Riddell: yeah, sec19:47
_Groo_Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/19:47
_Groo_Riddell: this entry is important19:48
_Groo_Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/11/plasma-nm-0898.html19:48
_Groo_brb19:48
Riddellno comment about new ABI or API there19:49
_Groo_Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/10/plasma-nm-what-is-going-on-libnm-qt-and.html20:08
_Groo_Riddell: thats why it crashes20:08
_Groo_Riddell: All this means we are finally getting rid of Solid::Control classes (a goal from last year's Solid Sprint). KDE SC 4.8.0 is not going to use Solid::Control anymore, but libnm-qt and libmm-qt are going to be dependencies for any KDE program that needs to list network interfaces (kinfocenter for example). Update 23/10: removing Solid::Control::Network* now would also remove part of Wicd's support, so for now I will not r20:09
_Groo_Riddell: i dont know if he actually removed it or not... but the pnm in oneiric is definitely crashing both kded4 and plasma-desktop20:10
_Groo_also i cant use any activities :P but ill have to take a closer look at it tomorrow 20:10
yofel_Groo_: for latter you need to make sure kactivitymanagerd is installed20:11
_Groo_yofel: what package?20:13
Riddelllibkactivities620:13
yofeland I don't believe he removed it. AFAIK we don't have libnm-qt (or QtNetworkManager) in precise, and there it didn't break with 4.7.9020:14
_Groo_yofel: in oneiric is crashing systemtray.so which brings down both kded4 and plasma-desktop20:15
yofelgot the trace?20:15
_Groo_ok now i installed it, why isnt kactiviies included in kde-full meta package?20:16
_Groo_yofel: yeah, pass me your email, ill send it to you20:16
_Groo_sec, brb20:16
yofelcan't you just pastebin it?20:17
yofelor just send it at yofel@kubuntu.org20:17
Riddellkde-workspace doesn't link to libkactivities, but I think it should20:20
Riddellor rather it links but doesn't actually use so our linker doesn't link it20:21
mikecbwould these plasma-nm issues affect kwallet integration? I just bumped to 4.7.4 and they no longer play nicely.20:24
ScottKkdelibs in 4.7.4 has the code for the new ksecretservice stuff in it.  It looked to me like it was IFDEF'ed out though20:27
yofelwasn't that supposed to be an optional plugin after all the discussion?20:27
yofelI somehow lost track of the situation midway...20:28
mikecbI figured something like that.  Behavior is sticks at waiting for authentication, or if the connection was set up without "In secure storage" , is never inserted if you later set that option. Just have to type in every time.20:30
ScottKYes.  But it should never have gone into 4.720:30
ScottKThe upstream plan for kdelibs is just insanity for distros, but they really don't care.  Anyone that doesn't like the plan is a troll.20:30
* yofel added his precise testing results on the packaging wiki20:46
_Groo_yofel: just sent you the kcrash files20:50
yofel_Groo_: please install plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg and re-retrace20:53
yofelor is that already installed?20:54
_Groo_yofel: i dont know, im heading home, ill send you when i get home20:54
_Groo_seeya guys later20:54
_Groo_but i can assure you if you use the new code you wont have any worries ;)20:54
_Groo_seeya later20:54
Riddellyofel: that's weird gtk2-engines-oxygen doesn't depend on anything in kde20:55
yofelwell, without rebuilding it (it could've been some other change I guess) I had firefox rendering everything that didn't set a background color as black - which resulted in black on black for most websites20:56
yofelthe menu slection foreground color and cursor color were also black - and had nothing to do with the oxygen color scheme for some reason20:57
RiddellI believe you, throwing a rebuild into the PPA, but it's weird20:57
Riddellyay, 4.7.90 working here21:03
Riddelljust in time for 4.8.0 RC 121:04
RiddellI don't have libkactivities-bin or libkactivities6 installed and not missing anything21:11
yofelRiddell: do you have an idea what's up with my device notifier?21:11
yofelthe question is: do you have any activities in the first place?21:11
yofelif you see them then kactivitymanagerd is working fine, if the list is emtpy it's not installed21:12
Riddellhmm, I have search and launch listed but I think as a template21:13
Riddelloh aye, got loads more now I run kactivitymanagerd and restart plasma21:14
Riddellyofel: dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so21:15
Riddell?21:15
yofelkde-runtime21:15
Riddellyofel: what version is installed?21:17
yofel4:4.7.90-0ubuntu321:17
Riddellyofel:  strings /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so  | grep linux 21:19
Riddell?21:19
yofelbuildkey=x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config21:19
Riddellyofel: and you're on amd64?21:20
Riddellso it's finding the i386 multiarch qt before the amd64 qt?21:21
Riddellwhat does ldd /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so  say?21:21
yofelhm, nvm21:21
yofelI just had kmix crash plasma twice and now it seems fine21:21
Riddellcrashing twice doesn't seem like a "never mind" issue21:22
yofelwell... first kmix crashed - just retracing. It took plasma with it - no retrace possible, on relaunch it crashed again, again no trace. After starting it now it's fine.........21:23
Riddelland device notifier?21:24
yofelworks now21:25
Riddellso I can add the dependency on kactitymanagerd and upload to precise?21:25
yofelyep, seems good otherwise21:26
yofelkmix seems to be kde bug 28501721:26
ubottuKDE bug 285017 in Backend: Pulseaudio "Crash setting up Pulse Audio capture device via Skype" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28501721:26
Riddellhmm, I missed "Amarok 2.5 final tarball available"23:29

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