| Riddell | u2san: yes | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | precise testers needed | 00:00 |
| Riddell | (beta) | 00:01 |
| u2san | which ppa? IMO you'd get more testing if put in main repo? | 00:01 |
| Riddell | secret ninjas PPA. it'll go in the main archive once I know it all builds and I've not done anything stupid | 00:06 |
| u2san | staging looks empty/or perhaps private? experimental is only 4.7.2? | 00:07 |
| Riddell | ~kubuntu-ninjas | 00:07 |
| Riddell | I can give people access | 00:08 |
| u2san | ok.. let me check | 00:08 |
| Riddell | oh well | 00:17 |
| BarkingFish | speaking of ninjas, Riddell - did you manage to get someone to sort the wiki out so I can add the 4.7.4 results to it? | 00:33 |
| Riddell | not trued sorry | 00:35 |
| Riddell | tried | 00:35 |
| BarkingFish | dang# | 00:59 |
| BarkingFish | I guess I can give it another quick try | 00:59 |
| BarkingFish | Riddell: it's still broken. I get as far as clicking the OpenID login button, and it goes straight to an internal server error. | 01:03 |
| BarkingFish | If you let me know who to speak to, I'll go talk to them :) | 01:03 |
| Riddell | BarkingFish: file an rt ticket with canonical sysadmin | 01:16 |
| BarkingFish | 0.o | 01:17 |
| BarkingFish | ok... | 01:17 |
| BarkingFish | i would, if i could find out where I file it :) | 01:19 |
| micahg | BarkingFish: rt@ubuntu.com | 01:20 |
| BarkingFish | #19054 | 01:29 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: hah ... | 10:45 |
| ybit | Was wondering if users can contribute patches to the website? | 10:54 |
| ybit | Kudos to those who have worked on it, but imho, it's pretty stale compared to ubuntu.com | 10:55 |
| ybit | It seems the wiki is starting to get some nice overhauls | 10:55 |
| ybit | Has more of the streamlined appearance | 10:55 |
| shadeslayer | ybit: probably best to write to the ML :) | 10:56 |
| ybit | ml? | 10:56 |
| shadeslayer | Mailing List | 10:56 |
| shadeslayer | ybit: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel | 10:56 |
| ybit | i knew you weren't talking about the programming lang | 10:56 |
| ybit | thanks | 10:56 |
| shadeslayer | Hehe, best to explain what you want to do, some mockups would be nice | 10:57 |
| Riddell | the website is fiddly to change alas | 11:13 |
| Riddell | needs someone who knos drupal and can deal with the sysadmins | 11:13 |
| ScottK | Riddell: 4.7.3 is now in -updates, so I think we need a web site announcement of that and 4.7.4 in the PPA for testing. | 11:35 |
| jussi | has anyone tried razorqt yet? Its _super_ fast | 11:42 |
| apachelogger | its kde with a less usefull plazmar | 11:46 |
| Riddell | ScottK: ack | 11:55 |
| Riddell | bulldog98_: "Riddell: pim-runtime override error /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.MixedMaildir.Settings.xml is also in the -dev" which -dev? | 12:10 |
| Riddell | hmm, is it an issue if I use this version number for 4.8 beta oneiric builds? kde-workspace - 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 | 12:41 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'd do 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 or 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 | 13:04 |
| ScottK | Since there will be more 4.8 releases though I don't think it's a big deal. | 13:04 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yeah, thing is I already uploaded it to the ninjas PPA with 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 and not sure I can be bothered reuploading and compiling it | 13:05 |
| ScottK | Then I'd leave it. | 13:05 |
| Riddell | got 4.7.4 all instaled, working here, even kontact | 13:29 |
| Riddell | and I found a nice lightdm blog entry in akregator http://www.sharpley.org.uk/node/26 | 13:29 |
| ScottK | https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/using-kontactkmail-again/ | 13:44 |
| Riddell | yay, you've come home | 13:47 |
| ScottK | All it takes is working software. | 13:49 |
| ScottK | I've even got contact and calender syncing working using akonadi googledata laptop -> phone/desktop and the reverse. | 13:50 |
| Riddell | unlike my e-mail server setup which has just stopped delivering e-mail because my inbox is 80MB sigh | 13:56 |
| Riddell | maybe I should switcdh it to akonadi | 13:56 |
| ScottK | Heh. No. Don't do that. | 14:09 |
| jussi | ScottK: how the heck did you get calendar sync working with gcal? | 14:22 |
| * jussi has tried and failed... | 14:22 | |
| ScottK | jussi: Did you use akonadi-kde-resource-googledata ? | 14:22 |
| ScottK | WFM on oneiric with 4.4.73. | 14:22 |
| jussi | yes, I installed from the repos/ppa | 14:23 |
| ScottK | Err 4.7.3. | 14:23 |
| ScottK | Dunno then. | 14:23 |
| ScottK | It does have the annoying habit of complaining every single error it sees is an invalid userid/password. | 14:24 |
| jussi | oh wait? now it seems to be working.... | 14:24 |
| jussi | yeah, I had lots of complaints about invalid userid/password | 14:24 |
| jussi | well then... might be able to actually use kontact again... | 14:27 |
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| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 18:27 |
| _Groo_ | i just upgraded from 4.7.4 to 4.7.90 in oneiric... | 18:27 |
| _Groo_ | plasma-desktop is crashing along with kdaemon | 18:28 |
| _Groo_ | anyone else is seeing similar problems? | 18:28 |
| _Groo_ | ninja ppa btw | 18:28 |
| Riddell | going to install it shortly | 18:31 |
| Riddell | what happens if you install libkactivities | 18:31 |
| BarkingFish | Riddell: I managed to submit an RT ticket for the site, someone says they're able to log in perfectly well on the wiki. I still can't however, so I've sent it back to RT again | 18:33 |
| _Groo_ | anyone wants a dump for plasma and kded4 that are crashing here? ninja 4.7.90 oneiric | 18:35 |
| _Groo_ | aparently its borking in the systray part | 18:35 |
| cmagina | _Groo_: do you have the weather applet enabled? | 18:36 |
| cmagina | _Groo_: nm, just remembered the issue i hit was actually fixed | 18:37 |
| _Groo_ | cmagina: i tried with a fresh account, which created the default desktop, same crashes in both kded4 and plasma-desktop | 18:38 |
| _Groo_ | im using unity while i wait for a fix :P | 18:38 |
| _Groo_ | i found out what is the problem | 18:50 |
| _Groo_ | is the plasma-widget-networkmanagement thats crashing systemtray.so and taking kded4 and plasma-desktop with it | 18:50 |
| _Groo_ | needs to be upgraded in the ppa to the new abi | 18:51 |
| _Groo_ | brb relogging to kde | 18:51 |
| Riddell | hum | 18:54 |
| Riddell | this is going to need more ec2 machines | 18:55 |
| yofel | something for precise: once 4.7.90 is in the archive oxygen-gtk needs a rebuild - I got coloring issues in gtk apps until I rebuilt it | 19:15 |
| yofel | and does someone know how QML loads the Qt libraries? My device notifier doesn't work thanks to multiarch http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/devn.png | 19:16 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: ping | 19:37 |
| _Groo_ | anyone porting plasma-network-manager for 4.7.90 oneiric in ninja ppa? | 19:40 |
| Riddell | yes I'll rebuild it | 19:42 |
| Riddell | thanks _Groo_ | 19:42 |
| Riddell | although I'm curious to know what's not binary compatible, I did check all the libraries | 19:42 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: the developer in is blog explictly says the ABI is broken since he changed things to work with the new API in new soild in 4.8 | 19:44 |
| _Groo_ | so for 4.7.x use "legacy" plasma-nm, 4.8 forward, new nm | 19:44 |
| BarkingFish | Riddell: finally managed to get into the wiki at last, I've added my notes to the 4.7.4 table | 19:45 |
| Riddell | thanks BarkingFish | 19:45 |
| BarkingFish | I'll cancel the RT ticket now, or at least let them know I can get in | 19:45 |
| yofel | wouldn't it make sense to backport the newer pnm from precise then? | 19:45 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: prolly yofel | 19:46 |
| _Groo_ | want me to find out the developer blog? | 19:46 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: got a link for that blog? | 19:46 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: yeah, sec | 19:47 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/ | 19:47 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: this entry is important | 19:48 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/11/plasma-nm-0898.html | 19:48 |
| _Groo_ | brb | 19:48 |
| Riddell | no comment about new ABI or API there | 19:49 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/10/plasma-nm-what-is-going-on-libnm-qt-and.html | 20:08 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: thats why it crashes | 20:08 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: All this means we are finally getting rid of Solid::Control classes (a goal from last year's Solid Sprint). KDE SC 4.8.0 is not going to use Solid::Control anymore, but libnm-qt and libmm-qt are going to be dependencies for any KDE program that needs to list network interfaces (kinfocenter for example). Update 23/10: removing Solid::Control::Network* now would also remove part of Wicd's support, so for now I will not r | 20:09 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: i dont know if he actually removed it or not... but the pnm in oneiric is definitely crashing both kded4 and plasma-desktop | 20:10 |
| _Groo_ | also i cant use any activities :P but ill have to take a closer look at it tomorrow | 20:10 |
| yofel | _Groo_: for latter you need to make sure kactivitymanagerd is installed | 20:11 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: what package? | 20:13 |
| Riddell | libkactivities6 | 20:13 |
| yofel | and I don't believe he removed it. AFAIK we don't have libnm-qt (or QtNetworkManager) in precise, and there it didn't break with 4.7.90 | 20:14 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: in oneiric is crashing systemtray.so which brings down both kded4 and plasma-desktop | 20:15 |
| yofel | got the trace? | 20:15 |
| _Groo_ | ok now i installed it, why isnt kactiviies included in kde-full meta package? | 20:16 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: yeah, pass me your email, ill send it to you | 20:16 |
| _Groo_ | sec, brb | 20:16 |
| yofel | can't you just pastebin it? | 20:17 |
| yofel | or just send it at yofel@kubuntu.org | 20:17 |
| Riddell | kde-workspace doesn't link to libkactivities, but I think it should | 20:20 |
| Riddell | or rather it links but doesn't actually use so our linker doesn't link it | 20:21 |
| mikecb | would these plasma-nm issues affect kwallet integration? I just bumped to 4.7.4 and they no longer play nicely. | 20:24 |
| ScottK | kdelibs in 4.7.4 has the code for the new ksecretservice stuff in it. It looked to me like it was IFDEF'ed out though | 20:27 |
| yofel | wasn't that supposed to be an optional plugin after all the discussion? | 20:27 |
| yofel | I somehow lost track of the situation midway... | 20:28 |
| mikecb | I figured something like that. Behavior is sticks at waiting for authentication, or if the connection was set up without "In secure storage" , is never inserted if you later set that option. Just have to type in every time. | 20:30 |
| ScottK | Yes. But it should never have gone into 4.7 | 20:30 |
| ScottK | The upstream plan for kdelibs is just insanity for distros, but they really don't care. Anyone that doesn't like the plan is a troll. | 20:30 |
| * yofel added his precise testing results on the packaging wiki | 20:46 | |
| _Groo_ | yofel: just sent you the kcrash files | 20:50 |
| yofel | _Groo_: please install plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg and re-retrace | 20:53 |
| yofel | or is that already installed? | 20:54 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: i dont know, im heading home, ill send you when i get home | 20:54 |
| _Groo_ | seeya guys later | 20:54 |
| _Groo_ | but i can assure you if you use the new code you wont have any worries ;) | 20:54 |
| _Groo_ | seeya later | 20:54 |
| Riddell | yofel: that's weird gtk2-engines-oxygen doesn't depend on anything in kde | 20:55 |
| yofel | well, without rebuilding it (it could've been some other change I guess) I had firefox rendering everything that didn't set a background color as black - which resulted in black on black for most websites | 20:56 |
| yofel | the menu slection foreground color and cursor color were also black - and had nothing to do with the oxygen color scheme for some reason | 20:57 |
| Riddell | I believe you, throwing a rebuild into the PPA, but it's weird | 20:57 |
| Riddell | yay, 4.7.90 working here | 21:03 |
| Riddell | just in time for 4.8.0 RC 1 | 21:04 |
| Riddell | I don't have libkactivities-bin or libkactivities6 installed and not missing anything | 21:11 |
| yofel | Riddell: do you have an idea what's up with my device notifier? | 21:11 |
| yofel | the question is: do you have any activities in the first place? | 21:11 |
| yofel | if you see them then kactivitymanagerd is working fine, if the list is emtpy it's not installed | 21:12 |
| Riddell | hmm, I have search and launch listed but I think as a template | 21:13 |
| Riddell | oh aye, got loads more now I run kactivitymanagerd and restart plasma | 21:14 |
| Riddell | yofel: dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so | 21:15 |
| Riddell | ? | 21:15 |
| yofel | kde-runtime | 21:15 |
| Riddell | yofel: what version is installed? | 21:17 |
| yofel | 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu3 | 21:17 |
| Riddell | yofel: strings /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so | grep linux | 21:19 |
| Riddell | ? | 21:19 |
| yofel | buildkey=x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config | 21:19 |
| Riddell | yofel: and you're on amd64? | 21:20 |
| Riddell | so it's finding the i386 multiarch qt before the amd64 qt? | 21:21 |
| Riddell | what does ldd /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so say? | 21:21 |
| yofel | hm, nvm | 21:21 |
| yofel | I just had kmix crash plasma twice and now it seems fine | 21:21 |
| Riddell | crashing twice doesn't seem like a "never mind" issue | 21:22 |
| yofel | well... first kmix crashed - just retracing. It took plasma with it - no retrace possible, on relaunch it crashed again, again no trace. After starting it now it's fine......... | 21:23 |
| Riddell | and device notifier? | 21:24 |
| yofel | works now | 21:25 |
| Riddell | so I can add the dependency on kactitymanagerd and upload to precise? | 21:25 |
| yofel | yep, seems good otherwise | 21:26 |
| yofel | kmix seems to be kde bug 285017 | 21:26 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 285017 in Backend: Pulseaudio "Crash setting up Pulse Audio capture device via Skype" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285017 | 21:26 |
| Riddell | hmm, I missed "Amarok 2.5 final tarball available" | 23:29 |
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